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Mike Vrabel traded to the Chiefs (1 Viewer)
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I know it's popular for a new regime to bring in some of "their guys" but I wonder often if it has the desired effect. It's one thing if your Parcells and you bring a young Curtis Martin over to the Jets. It's another thing when you bring an aged veteran [who was never GREAT to begin with] and try to instill character rather than add to the level of the team's talent.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I can't imagine the Pats trading Vrabel without having another deal in place.Julius Peppers / Matt Cassel coming soon.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Vrabel must be hating Pioli.Does this move Derrick Johnson inside?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Does this trade signal the end for Tony Gonzalez? Vrabel plays a mean TE!!
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Not happy about this. Not happy one bit.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Nice move for the Pats. Vrabel isn't special at all.
Fans won't be happy, though.
Fans won't be happy, though.
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Carver
Footballguy
if you're a NE fan, you should be thrilled. Getting anything of value back for him at this stage and clearing $3m off the books is about as good as they could do. Great move on their part (IMO).
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Oh, do you know what they got? If so, please share.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
"Great move" yet you don't know what they got for him. Good stuff.
munchkin
Footballguy
This is a good move for both teams. The Pats have outside depth and the Chiefs needed a LB that understands the 3-4 defense and can act as a coach on the field. Vrabel wasn't that effective last year but as McGinnest did with Cleveland he will be an asset to the players around him. Good character guy as well.
stevegamer
Footballguy
I don't, but considering what we've heard Cleveland is getting for Winslow, and that Pioli is likely the force behind getting Vrabel, I'd expect a pick of some level & the cap room. There are a LOT of LB's out there better than Vrabel, and making him going away gives you the cash to sign one.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Why is it that everything the Pats do eveyrone thinks it's a nice move for the Pats? Having said that, I do think Vrabel is well past his prime, but I'm not so sure they don't still need him.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Link?
stevegamer
Footballguy
See above - he is easily replaced in FA by a number of more talented younger guys.Yes, he helps KC with character, and as a guy who knows the scheme, but that's not as much value to the Pats. I am not a Pats fanboy - I've hated them for decades.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'll take a list of FA's who can easily replace Vrabel, thanks. Be sure they can play pretty much anywhere in a 3-4.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Maybe they're higher on Crable than we realize.
Carver
Footballguy
The point is... they got "something", which anyway you look at it is better than "nothing". They also free up $3million in cap space that was tied up in a 35yr old LB who clearly lost a step or three last season. I can understand being sentimental about a player who has done so much for your team over the years, but it was his time. Chances are he would have been reduced to a situational pass rusher in '09. No need to have that cash tied up in a 35yr old ptp. NE needs to get young at that OLB spot, and this was a great first step.
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Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Just to be clear the deal is not done -- still awaiting the physical results.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I believe he's 33, not 35.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
It's not being "sentimental" to object to a trade being called "great" when the person calling it great doesn't know what the Patriots are getting back, and obviously doesn't know what they're giving up either. Vrabel is at least an average linebacker who is intimately familiar with multiple roles on a complex defense. They have nobody on the roster I'm comfortable with just handing the OLB spot in a very complex defense.If this is part one of some kind of other deal, then fine. If they're just moving Vrabel to get like a 4th round pick and $3 million in cap, then it's a terrible trade. Either way, calling it "great" without knowing what they're getting back is ridiculous.
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Carver
Footballguy
He'll be 34 when the season starts so lets meet in the middle.Point remains.... he is older and his pass rushing skills have erroded considerably.
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GreekFreak
Footballguy
Boston.com
Carver
Footballguy
Maybe I should bold it for you.THEY ARE GETTING 3 MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP SPACE.It's not being "sentimental" to object to a trade being called "great" when the person calling it great doesn't know what the Patriots are getting back, and obviously doesn't know what they're giving up either. Vrabel is at least an average linebacker who is intimately familiar with multiple roles on a complex defense. They have nobody on the roster I'm comfortable with just handing the OLB spot in a very complex defense.
If this is part one of some kind of other deal, then fine. If they're just moving Vrabel to get like a 4th round pick and $3 million in cap, then it's a terrible trade. Either way, calling it "great" without knowing what they're getting back is ridiculous.
The pick is just frosting (and I would be mildly surprised if it were a 4th. A 5th is more likely IMO).
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So I post about how Vrabel is still a very valuable player in the defense, I don't think he's easily replaceable, and I think it's a terrible trade for a 4th round pick, and it's too big of a mental leap for you to conclude that I think he's worth more than getting rid of for $3 million in cap space?Seriously?Maybe I should bold it for you.THEY ARE GETTING 3 MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP SPACE.
If this is part one of some kind of other deal, then fine. If they're just moving Vrabel to get like a 4th round pick and $3 million in cap, then it's a terrible trade. Either way, calling it "great" without knowing what they're getting back is ridiculous.
The pick is just frosting (and I would be mildly surprised if it were a 4th. A 5th is more likely IMO).
ETA: Just to make sure you can conclude that I'm aware of this as well:
I AM AWARE THAT TRADING MIKE VRABEL OPENS UP A ROSTER SPOT
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
From what I am hearing *** SPECULATION *** has this part of a larger deal with KC that involves Cassel going to KC and the Pats likely getting something like a 1st and a 3rd coming back to NE. So the Pats would end up with the #3 overall pick in this *** SPECULATED *** deal.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I was just making fun of the Big Show guys to some friends for suggesting this was possible. Oof.
greenf7cat
Footballguy
WOW!! As a Chiefs fan, I do not like that deal at all...
Carver
Footballguy
If you think Vrabel at this stage is more valuable to NE (as a 34yr old situational player), than 3 million dollars in cap space, then I don’t know what to tell you.They need a pass rush and/or better CB's.So I post about how Vrabel is still a very valuable player in the defense, I don't think he's easily replaceable, and I think it's a terrible trade for a 4th round pick, and it's too big of a mental leap for you to conclude that I think he's worth more than getting rid of for $3 million in cap space?Seriously?Maybe I should bold it for you.THEY ARE GETTING 3 MILLION DOLLARS IN CAP SPACE.It's not being "sentimental" to object to a trade being called "great" when the person calling it great doesn't know what the Patriots are getting back, and obviously doesn't know what they're giving up either. Vrabel is at least an average linebacker who is intimately familiar with multiple roles on a complex defense. They have nobody on the roster I'm comfortable with just handing the OLB spot in a very complex defense.
If this is part one of some kind of other deal, then fine. If they're just moving Vrabel to get like a 4th round pick and $3 million in cap, then it's a terrible trade. Either way, calling it "great" without knowing what they're getting back is ridiculous.
The pick is just frosting (and I would be mildly surprised if it were a 4th. A 5th is more likely IMO).
This move helps free up some cash to possibly address those needs (Bodden/Peppers?).
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
To also clarify, picks might be moved around as well in terms of who drafts where in what round. So Pats might flip flop in certain rounds with KC. Guess we'll have to wait and see . . .
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
That would be a pretty big coup for the Pats. Either they trade down or draft Curry.
Chiefs acquire LB Vrabel from Patriots for picks
John Clayton, ESPN.com
The Chiefs were the youngest teams in football last year but new general manager Scott Pioli wanted to install some veteran leadership.
Story | Conversation | February 27, 2009
Link http://search.espn.go.com/vrabel/
John Clayton, ESPN.com
The Chiefs were the youngest teams in football last year but new general manager Scott Pioli wanted to install some veteran leadership.
Story | Conversation | February 27, 2009
Link http://search.espn.go.com/vrabel/
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I believe by trading Vrabel first it gets them immediate cap relief to do something else, so the deal *** COULD *** end up with Cassel, Vrabel, and the Pats current first round pick for the Chiefs 1st and 3rd round picks (or picks in a future draft). Basically, in this scenario, Pats would move up 21 spots in the first round and get a 3rd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel (or something like that).Again, all SPECULATION at this point.
Carver
Footballguy
Not to pull your card or nothing man...(seriously, this isn't meant to offend) but I see you post this a lot, and a fair amount of the time you are dead wrong about stuff. Do you have a source within the organization, or are you just a news hound like the rest of us? Serious question, again it's not meant to offend.
I just cant imagine a scenario in which Pioli would make this deal.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Why would they need "immediate cap relief" to trade Matt Cassel's $14.5 million figure for draft picks?I believe by trading Vrabel first it gets them immediate cap relief to do something else, so the deal *** COULD *** end up with Cassel, Vrabel, and the Pats current first round pick for the Chiefs 1st and 3rd round picks (or picks in a future draft). Basically, in this scenario, Pats would move up 21 spots in the first round and get a 3rd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel (or something like that).Again, all SPECULATION at this point.
tombonneau
Footballguy
well if it's involving the Pats #1 I think it's a much worse deal for NE. I think there is great quality at OLB at #23.I believe by trading Vrabel first it gets them immediate cap relief to do something else, so the deal *** COULD *** end up with Cassel, Vrabel, and the Pats current first round pick for the Chiefs 1st and 3rd round picks (or picks in a future draft). Basically, in this scenario, Pats would move up 21 spots in the first round and get a 3rd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel (or something like that).Again, all SPECULATION at this point.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What does the deal for Winslow have to do with the compensation the Pats will get for Vrbel?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
That would be an absolutely horrible trade for KC. And I love how it's assumed the Pats could just "trade down" from #3 overall if they wanted.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yeah, sounds like Yudkin is just speculating. He should make that clear in his posts imo.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Both to your questions. Don't remember posting too many things that were way off base. What have I posted that has been way off in the past?In this instance, this is speculation and not something I heard directly directed at me. Combination of things from the media (Shefter, Felger, Curran).
My most reliable source has said there's too much flying around right now to have a total grasp on this one yet.
Carver
Footballguy
They wouldn't. But they could need imediate cap relief to ink Bodden, which is the real reason I think they made this deal. Just some "Speculation" on my part though.Why would they need "immediate cap relief" to trade Matt Cassel's $14.5 million figure for draft picks?I believe by trading Vrabel first it gets them immediate cap relief to do something else, so the deal *** COULD *** end up with Cassel, Vrabel, and the Pats current first round pick for the Chiefs 1st and 3rd round picks (or picks in a future draft). Basically, in this scenario, Pats would move up 21 spots in the first round and get a 3rd rounder for Cassel and Vrabel (or something like that).Again, all SPECULATION at this point.
Ned
Footballguy
Carver
Footballguy
I was referring to the "From what im hearing" portion of his post. But thanks for chiming in.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Not sure how familiar you are with DY or not, but he is NOT wrong a fair amount of the time. In fact, there isn't a better source with an inside link to a team on these boards than DY. One of the best assets about coming around these parts. And no, he's not just a news hound from my understanding.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
*SPECULATING* Yeah was also not clear on that. *SPECULATING*
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