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Greg Salas traded to the Patriots (1 Viewer)

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Adam Schefter via twitter:

St. Louis traded wide receiver Greg Salas to the New England Patriots for a late-round 2013 draft pick, according to sources.

 
Schefter just corrected it to late 2015 draft pick. Talk about cheap for a guy who could be the future replacement for Welker.

 
Salas gets a bump in dynasty, but does it increases his value much in redraft? Salas does have a bit of a head start on the system since he played in it last year. You have to think that Josh McDaniels is the person who pushed for this trade.

 
Salas was burried behind Amendola, Quick, Pettis, Smith, Givens and Gibson. He was going to get cut once the 2 game suspension of Pettis was over.

 
Hard to believe he is a better option than Gaffney who they cut. Gaffney had worked with JM in Denver and should have been good enough for the WR4/5 spot.

 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Hard to believe he is a better option than Gaffney who they cut. Gaffney had worked with JM in Denver and should have been good enough for the WR4/5 spot.
Salas was with JM in StL last year, yes?
Gaffney had career years under JM IIRC
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Hard to believe he is a better option than Gaffney who they cut. Gaffney had worked with JM in Denver and should have been good enough for the WR4/5 spot.
Salas was with JM in StL last year, yes?
He was totally JM's pick.
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Hard to believe he is a better option than Gaffney who they cut. Gaffney had worked with JM in Denver and should have been good enough for the WR4/5 spot.
Salas was with JM in StL last year, yes?
Gaffney had career years under JM IIRC
Gaffney is injured.
 
Put pressure on Welker to sign for a little less.
Yep, the guy who couldn't get on the field for the Rams puts a ton of pressure on one of the greatest slot WR's ever to sign for less.Welker will have to take less than he's worth to stay with the Pats but it will have 0% to do with Salas.
 
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Curious move to say the least. New England has been working to bring the average age of their receiving corps down, or so it seems. The veterans, Lloyd and Welker, are cemented as the starters, but behind them is a serious lack of veteran presence.

Edelman looked solid this preseason, and he may be the eventual replacement for Welker IF Welker does not return after this season. Gronk and Hernandez will garner their share off passes. Salas will join Ebert for some scraps, it would seem. hmmm

I thought Branch looked to have enough left in his tank to save his roster spot, but predicting the Pats is an exercise in futility.

 
Curious move to say the least. New England has been working to bring the average age of their receiving corps down, or so it seems. The veterans, Lloyd and Welker, are cemented as the starters, but behind them is a serious lack of veteran presence.Edelman looked solid this preseason, and he may be the eventual replacement for Welker IF Welker does not return after this season. Gronk and Hernandez will garner their share off passes. Salas will join Ebert for some scraps, it would seem. hmmmI thought Branch looked to have enough left in his tank to save his roster spot, but predicting the Pats is an exercise in futility.
Jeremy Ebert was cut by New England..
 
Curious move to say the least. New England has been working to bring the average age of their receiving corps down, or so it seems. The veterans, Lloyd and Welker, are cemented as the starters, but behind them is a serious lack of veteran presence.Edelman looked solid this preseason, and he may be the eventual replacement for Welker IF Welker does not return after this season. Gronk and Hernandez will garner their share off passes. Salas will join Ebert for some scraps, it would seem. hmmmI thought Branch looked to have enough left in his tank to save his roster spot, but predicting the Pats is an exercise in futility.
Jeremy Ebert was cut by New England..
Just saw that. I suppose Salas is arguably an upgrade over Ebert, so why not.Thanks for pointing that out!
 
is Salas a punt/kick returner?

may be nothing more than a special teams move.

still, i'll hang on to the guy in my dynasty league a bit longer now.

 
is Salas a punt/kick returner? may be nothing more than a special teams move. still, i'll hang on to the guy in my dynasty league a bit longer now.
We have a winner!No way the Pats are throwing Woodhead back there to return kicks again. Edelman was a possibility, but looks like Salas will be the guy
 
With the Pats who knows what this means...the guy could get cut next week or could become a regular part of their offense...any type of guess is simply a guess...of late it has appeared Gaffney would be coming back once he got healthy but again who knows when it comes to BB and the Patriot roster...

 
'bulger2holt said:
Salas was burried behind Amendola, Quick, Pettis, Smith, Givens and Gibson. He was going to get cut once the 2 game suspension of Pettis was over.
Its hard to get excited about a guy who cannot overtake that group of Wr's
 
is Salas a punt/kick returner? may be nothing more than a special teams move. still, i'll hang on to the guy in my dynasty league a bit longer now.
We have a winner!No way the Pats are throwing Woodhead back there to return kicks again. Edelman was a possibility, but looks like Salas will be the guy
:confused: Not sure if Salas has a single kickoff return in his career, and Edelman is a good punt returner.
 
'bulger2holt said:
Salas was burried behind Amendola, Quick, Pettis, Smith, Givens and Gibson. He was going to get cut once the 2 game suspension of Pettis was over.
Its hard to get excited about a guy who cannot overtake that group of Wr's
A lot about the NFL is opportunity. Welker spent four years in the league in which he played for the Chargers his rookie season and 3 years with the Dolphins. He didn't get a start or a catch the first two years and amassed about 1100 yards and a single TD in his 3rd and 4th years combined. He had a whole lot of crap in front of him that he couldn't beat out. Then he busts off four 110+ catch seasons over the next 5 years, with one down year with only 86 catches. The fact that Salas didn't distinguish himself with that crew of WR's doesn't mean he can't distinguish himself on another team. That being said, there's no guarantee he'll do it with NE. He could still amount to nothing...
 
'bulger2holt said:
Salas was burried behind Amendola, Quick, Pettis, Smith, Givens and Gibson. He was going to get cut once the 2 game suspension of Pettis was over.
Its hard to get excited about a guy who cannot overtake that group of Wr's
He had a broken leg last yr. I'm willing to cut the guy some slack and give him an opportunity. I like the trade, they gave up next to nothing to get him.
 
is Salas a punt/kick returner? may be nothing more than a special teams move. still, i'll hang on to the guy in my dynasty league a bit longer now.
We have a winner!No way the Pats are throwing Woodhead back there to return kicks again. Edelman was a possibility, but looks like Salas will be the guy
:confused: Not sure if Salas has a single kickoff return in his career, and Edelman is a good punt returner.
Granted, you said you weren't sure if he ever has, but a quick youtube search turned this up easilyhttp://youtu.be/OX-VonO6dgUEdit to add: I watch a lot of Pats games, and while I don't think Edelman is terrible at returning punts, I also don't think he is anything special. The Pats could stand to upgrade on their return game.
 
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'wilked said:
'Abrantes said:
'wilked said:
'amnesiac said:
is Salas a punt/kick returner? may be nothing more than a special teams move. still, i'll hang on to the guy in my dynasty league a bit longer now.
We have a winner!No way the Pats are throwing Woodhead back there to return kicks again. Edelman was a possibility, but looks like Salas will be the guy
:confused: Not sure if Salas has a single kickoff return in his career, and Edelman is a good punt returner.
Granted, you said you weren't sure if he ever has, but a quick youtube search turned this up easilyhttp://youtu.be/OX-VonO6dgUEdit to add: I watch a lot of Pats games, and while I don't think Edelman is terrible at returning punts, I also don't think he is anything special. The Pats could stand to upgrade on their return game.
Yeah, I was aware of Salas being used as a punt returner, which is why I specified kickoffs. Regardless, he didn't impress me much as a punt returner either. I'd say Edelman is an above-average punt returner, and unlikely to lose that spot to Salas.
 
'bulger2holt said:
Salas was burried behind Amendola, Quick, Pettis, Smith, Givens and Gibson. He was going to get cut once the 2 game suspension of Pettis was over.
This sounds a bit off. Quick and Givens weren't going to get cut their rookie camps, so they were safe. Smith has looked good and Amendola is a favorite son of sorts, so they were safe. But Alexander was too injured and had already been cut. Pettis had disappointed more than Salas and didn't have a broken leg to blame. And Gibson is, well, Gibson. Salas was getting good blurbs all summer. And there wasn't anything I saw negative cross the wires in camp except references to the WR position being crowded in SL. For that matter, Pettis and Gibson were always mentioned in those same blurbs as being at risk. So why would NE trade for him if he was going to get cut?I know some of the SL faithful like to hate on Salas for his shaky start last year. But he smoothed out late in the season and he's a young guy coming from the spread.I like the move for New England. This kinda smells a bit like the Welker acquisition to me. Not saying he's in line for that size a role. But Lloyd isn't exactly young and Welker looks to be gone next year. Salas can play inside or out, and BB likes versatile players. Just think about how many trades there have been? Why does NE make this move? I think he could be a good dynasty stash here, particularly if Gronk and Lloyd command significant DC attention in 2013. And if we think JMD bodes well for Lloyd, it should mean something that he also wanted Salas.
 
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'GordonGekko said:
This avoids an unfortunate point about the Patriots. They cannot develop their own WRs or have failed in most instances during the Belichick era. This is also a question of basic resource management, if you have a position that requires a learning curve, do you want to be the team that has to absorb that young players growing pains? Or the team next in line after the player has learned the ropes on how to survive in the NFL and what role he serves in the team format? Generally the trade off is market contract to post learning curve production. The value of a player on his rookie contract is he can provide "value" above, and sometimes far above his compensate against the hard cap and his general positional value based on his position on the field. The player provides much less "resource value" ( though maybe not "playing value") when he signs that 2nd contract, that tries to equalize his skill set currently to market forces around the league that sets his compensation level. This situation, much like what many teams try to do, is find a discarded player, where the former team has already absorbed some of the cost of said "learning curve" and written off as a sunk cost not worth the roster spot to further explore. Every roster spot becomes, in essence, a form of "opportunity cost" It doesn't matter if Salas works out as an individual. It matters if Salas types work for the Patriots at a high enough success rate to make the endeavor worthwhile. It also highlights a waste of resources by the Patriots ( Chad Jackson, Taylor Price, Brandon Tate, cost of the picks to get Gabriel Wilson, Chad Johnson, etc) that make this kind of mining frequent and worth the investment despite the relative low return. The success of a Randy Moss or a Wes Welker wasn't just the cost of that 2nd, 4th and 7th, but also the total cost of every failed pick that didn't pan out a WR and every trade or waiver flier taken on a zero return player.
great analysis here GG. this is as spot on as it gets.Belichick couldnt draft a WR if Tom Bradys right arm depended on it. He is much better at finding WR's that work for them via watching a couple years worth of NFL game tape. Still plucks some duds (Donald Haynes, Gabriel, Stinko come to mind), but much, much better.
 
Pettis beat out Salas for the final WR spot. Pettis was really good while Salas was standing on the sidelines watching.
(Rotoworld) Rams WR Austin Pettis is solidifying a roster spot with a strong training camp. Analysis: One camp observer notes that Pettis is making more plays than any Rams receiver in practices while Brandon Gibson and Danario Alexander continue to fall behind due to hamstring injuries. CBS Sports' Larry Hartstein believes Pettis, Danny Amendola, Steve Smith, Greg Salas and rookies Brian Quick and Chris Givens are "all but locks" to make the team. Pettis will miss the first two games while under suspension.Did a search and found this. Doesn't say anything about him beating out Salas for a spot. Well, we know that Salas got traded, so by definition he wasn't cut. And it also says nothing about Salas holding Pettis's spot.

On the 29th an article ran in turfshowtimes quoting Snead about trade interest in the Rams' PERCEIVED bubble WR's. Maybe Snead was careful in what he said, maybe not. But he doesn't actually confirm that Gibson, Pettis or Salas were on the bubble. He says "they think are on the bubble". Maybe he's saying that because they are wrong, or maybe he won't admit they are right so he doesn't give up leverage. Who knows? But that same article said there would be 6 or 7 WR roster spots. Well, 7 would mean Pettis, Gibson and Salas all would stick with Smith, Amendola, Quick and Givens having the other 4 spots. And if they only kept 6, I'm betting Gibson and his gimpy hammy would be the odd man out, not Salas.

Hey, you're a homer. You might have a source that backs your assertion up. Care to share it?

 
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Hey, you're a homer. You might have a source that backs your assertion up. Care to share it?
Indeed. I followed this pretty closely and at no point was there any overtly bad news on Salas and it looked like he was guaranteed a spot. Think this is a great move for Salas and NE... A guy with hands like his could be amazing with Brady slinging it to him. Welker 2.0 isn't as far fetch as it initially seems.
 
The Patriots recently increased the practice squad pay of WR Greg Salas from $149,600 to $465,001.

The significant pay bump was likely extended because another team tried to poach Salas off the New England practice squad. At $465,001, Salas' salary is now $1 more than what it would be at the league minimum for a second-year player. Salas is likely to receive a late-season callup from the Patriots

- rotoworld.com

Damn. Nice raise there. As for fantasy implications, even though it strengthens that they like him and could call him up, he's still way behind on the totem pole. But financially, it's a good day to be him.

 
With the Pats who knows what this means...the guy could get cut next week or could become a regular part of their offense...any type of guess is simply a guess...of late it has appeared Gaffney would be coming back once he got healthy but again who knows when it comes to BB and the Patriot roster...
Good call -- he was cut 2 weeks later. (Then re-signed to the practice squad later that week.)
 

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