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the cowboys rushed 521 times last year479 of those rushes came from RB'sthe #'s went as suchBarber: 138 carriesJJ: 257 carriesPolite: 2 carriesAnthony Thomas: 36 carriesTyson Thompson: 46 carrriesif Barber gets 120-140.. that would leave about 260-280 for Julius, assuming that the RB3 and RB4's of the team get less than the 84 carries they got last year.now.. JJ is going to have to improve on that 3.9YPC
I didn't really see it as news.. being that he got 138 carries last year.. but if Parcells only sees him getting the rock 120 to 140 times during the year, it would still give JJ enough carries to get to 1250 rushing yards..which I think (after last year's season) JJ owners would be happy with.
If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
Pretty damn close....let's not be anal.Go check my previous posts on the subject.If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
Pretty damn close....let's not be anal.Go check my previous posts on the subject.If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
For screaming at the top of your lungs for months I thought you would have a better answer.
Go check out the following threads.....Oh andPretty damn close....let's not be anal.Go check my previous posts on the subject.If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
at giving me a ..... weak.
Dallas is yet another RBBC team..Barber is a sprained ankle away from being a top 15 RB.
I agree with Bankerguy and others that say that JJ is the starter, I don't think there is much dispute there. The way I see it now is that JJ gets the ball on 1st and 2nd down, and Barber comes in for breathers, short yardage and 3rd downs. My issue is risk and this situation screams of risk. Not many teams have their #1 RB with his injury history coupled with the fact that the #2 filled in just as well in the starters absense AND the coach is on record multiple times saying how much he likes what Barber brings and that JJ needs to stay healthy. We all know that RB's get banged up during the year and the big issue I see is that if JJ is hobbled with a nagging groin or hammy that Parcells will throw Barber in without hesitation. Most others starters will not have the short leash that JJ will have this year.
Sure, I looked at the game logs after both were on the field from week 11 through the end of the season.J. Jones
So I state that your math doesn't add up and you get very imature on us all.Go check out the following threads.....Oh andPretty damn close....let's not be anal.Go check my previous posts on the subject.If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
If you would like to debate the Cowboys let me know, I'll be here waiting. I'll talk slowly so you can follow along.
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I do believe JJ will be the starter, however chances are that Barber starts at some point this year because of injury.
I see, and giving someone aSo I state that your math doesn't add up and you get very imature on us all.Go check out the following threads.....Oh andPretty damn close....let's not be anal.Go check my previous posts on the subject.If they say MB3 will get 120+ carries per game at worst he will recieve 120 for the year. 120/3 = 7.5 carries per game.Bankerguy, are you saying Barber only gets 80-112 carries for the season and Jones gets 288-352 carries when his previous high is 252?? Thats a lot of carries for someone who will only see the field for 2 downs and has never played an NFL season without missing games.
If you would like to debate the Cowboys let me know, I'll be here waiting. I'll talk slowly so you can follow along.
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is the epitome of mature. Thanks for setting such a great example for us all to follow. If someone calls me out, I am sure to defend my opinion. What did you expect? I thought my first response should have cleared things up, as I didn't feel the need to re-post my entire projections/analysis for JJ and MB3.
I agree that the methodology is flawed but I just wanted to show an apples to apples comparison. If anything it works more in Barbers favor when looking at true short yardage situations since most of JJ's carries were of the 2 and 5 variety. Ok, I looked at their carries over the last 7 weeks (after JJ returned from injury) and this is what I found.....
I do not think it is fair to bring up the fact that Barber started for Jones in those games without pointing out that Barber had more games inactive than games he started in place of Jones (2 vs 3).http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/406023/gamelogs/2005
If you look at the time periods when Jones was the "sole" starter weeks 1-5 he ran for 112-335-2 (3 ypc) while Barber in Jones absense week 6-9 ran for 60-252-2 (4.2 ypc), Barber was better stat wise.Barber was a rookie/unknown at the beginning of the season while JJ was the returning starter and got nearly all the carries as he did at the end of the prior year. JJ gets hurt, opens the door and Barber jumps right through and impresses Parcells and to me that's the only relevant time to look at since he was a non-factor prior to the injury. Once he hits the field though he shows Parcells what he can do and that he can bring things that JJ can't.
I really believe through some Cowboy insiders that JJ was still really nursing that high ankle sprain for a number of weeks when he returned. Remember how vocal BP was about JJ returning? I think he returned early and BP was spotting MB3 to keep JJ from re-injuring himself again with the playoffs very much in sight at that time.I've made the following point many times in other threads. Here it goes again, then how do you account for the Carolina game?
I'm sure you're more knowledgable and follow them closer than I do and I'm sure you are right that JJ was injured when he came back. Just the other day though there was the quote that they wanted to give Barber 120+ carries which was obviously not the case going into last year. Last year JJ was the lone stud sharing with no one. In the beginning of the year over the 4 1/2 games he played he averaged 25.6 carries and over the last 7 games he averaged 19.5, the injury may have been part of the issue but Barber was the biggest change IMO.It's obvious that Parcells likes pieces of each guy, the breakaway speed of Jones and the pounding/pass protection Barber offers.
First, I read your posts in the other thread as well as in this one.Why would you project less carries than Barber got last year when the buzz would indicate that he's on the verge of perhaps unseating Jones?
Yikes......Ok to cover some of your pointsMy opinions:
JJ doesn't seem the type for slugging it out. That's more up Barber's alley. I think Barber's carries will depend greatly on what the score is. If the Cowboys are up then they will tend to pound the ball more with Barber, if they are tied or down then you'll see more JJ for his break away speed. I also think that Barber will get most short yardage and goal line carries.
This I just don't understand. 7 guys on the line = only 1 guy that JJ needs to make miss. That's a desirable setup. People (like me) throw around the "8 guys in the box" as reason to be worried of RB production, because when a guy like say, Curtis Martin, tried to run the ball last year, it didn't matter if they ran from Power I or Spread, the Defenses knew no one could pass on them.Say you have 8 in the box in a standard 43 on a double TE set.
, and I'm on the fence about JJ. I was pretty high on MB3 and after looking up all of these stats (not the ones on here), I'm starting to believe you might be right about JJ being the definite feature back, regardless of all this MB3 talk.
Not sure I agree with you. Here is the Carolina game. Which of those 6 carries is garbage time? Looks like he was in at the end, as they were scoring the winning TD. Looks like Parcells loves him when the game is on the line.
3-3-CAR7 (11:45) M.Barber left tackle to CAR 6 for 1 yard (M.Minter, C.Draft).(2nd qtr, down 10-7)2-10-CAR48 (4:46) M.Barber right end to DAL 46 for -6 yards (W.Witherspoon).(2nd qtr, down 13-10)1-10-DAL37 (12:40) M.Barber right end to DAL 40 for 3 yards (J.Peppers).(4th qtr, up 17-13)3-22-DAL25 (11:20) M.Barber up the middle to DAL 30 for 5 yards (R.Manning).(4th qtr, up 17-13)3-17-DAL10 (6:44) M.Barber up the middle to DAL 20 for 10 yards (T.Davis, W.Witherspoon).(4th qtr, up 17-13)2-8-CAR9 (:36) M.Barber right end pushed ob at CAR 2 for 7 yards (M.Minter).(4th qtr, down 20-17)I understand your concern, and I don't feel like you are attacking me.Or do you not share the sentiments of other posters that MB3 will be used in short yardage situations?This I just don't understand. 7 guys on the line = only 1 guy that JJ needs to make miss. That's a desirable setup. People (like me) throw around the "8 guys in the box" as reason to be worried of RB production, because when a guy like say, Curtis Martin, tried to run the ball last year, it didn't matter if they ran from Power I or Spread, the Defenses knew no one could pass on them.Say you have 8 in the box in a standard 43 on a double TE set.
WSLB = JJ
DL = OL (one double covered)
SSLB = Witten
MLB = mid-zone.
SS = TE
The only guys he'd have to worry about on a standard setup are WSLB, MLB. You run your TE2 on a go route, and he pulls to block MLB and pull the SS out of the box.
That leaves him one on one with a linebacker. This is an average setup.
Are you implying that you don't think JJ's 8 will beat Insert Team's 8 for more than 3.9 ypc? Yet Barber, relegated to short down situations, will manage 4.3?
If there were ever 8 guys in the box on a 2TE set, that would almost guarantee you'll see a pass to TO or Glenn. Glenn dominates single coverage.
Or do you not share the sentiments of other posters that MB3 will be used in short yardage situations?
Sorry if you feel like I am attacking you, but I'm just trying to better understand your rationale. For me, it would seem that a Pass-First offense, if achieving any amount of success, would really stretch defenses in coverage and pulling the LBs more into TE coverage, further freeing up JJ to do what he does.
And I am asking all of this because you seem to be a pretty big Cowboys
Of course, in doing so, I find that your cause-effect analysis seems backwards, so I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. It does not seem like you are on the same page as me and a few other guys on here, and I'm not sure if either side is actually correct.
