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2007 Minnesota Vikings In-Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

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Time to have a thread of it's own as it's obviously not the pre-season anymore.

Let's start with Childresses post-game comments today:

Running back Chester Taylor had an MRI on Monday morning and has a “contusion of his oblique.” (I honestly didn’t know this was possible.) “He’s a pretty tough guy so he’ll treat that thing,” Childress said. “There is nothing structurally wrong and it’s just extremely uncomfortable right now. We’ll get that settled down and see where he comes by Wednesday.”

Childress was asked how much Taylor would need to practice this week. “We’ll see, the biggest deal is to settle him down and get him comfortable first,” Childress said. Taylor was at Winter Park early Monday to receive treatment. He also will be back Tuesday when the players are off to get more treatment. If Taylor can’t play it will be the second consecutive year he has missed a game in his homestate. Taylor, who is from the Detroit area, sat out last year’s Vikings-Lions game because of bruised ribs.

Fullback Naufahu Tahi is “beat up a little bit” but is expected to be all right. Veteran fullback Tony Richardson has a contusion on his forearm and it sounds as if more tests are being done.

Safety Mike Doss (calf) did some jogging today. “We’ll see how we bring him along before we get to Wednesday,” Childress said. “He continues to improve but those are nagging type of injuries and I’d rather have him for the long haul.”

Childress gave credit to the fans in the Metrodome. “I thought the first thing, crowd wise, any time you can have three false starts on a team, make them burn two time outs, I think that ends up being a huge, huge thing,” he said. “I thought they really rose to the occassion and not necessarily just on third downs. I thought they did a great job keeping the tempo up. When you see somebody say that’s the loudest place they ever played, that’s what I remember the Metrodome being. It’s a huge advantage to the home team.”

Childress on the defense: “I thought they did an extremely good job of making [Falcons quarterback Joey Harrington] uncomfortable back there. Virtually from the first snap on. Six sacks, a number of hurries and the hurries and the hits add up as well. No touchdowns allowed. I think the thing we will work on is obviously they gave up 50 percent on third-down conversions [the Falcons were 8-for-16]. That’s something [coordinator Leslie Frazier] and the defensive staff will address. And then two defensive scores. We talk about it all the time and it’s something that you saw in the preseason. We don’t just talk about getting the ball turned over, they practice scoring when we’re on the field. I like where they started but boy there is plenty of stuff as you look at the tape that they can improve on.”

Childress on the offense: “I thought [we were] very physical on offense. I thought the offensive line did a great job of setting the tempo in the front. When you average 5 yards per run that usually bodes pretty well for you. There were five explosive runs, an explosive pass play. You usually match those against how many explosions did the other team have? How many turnovers did the other team have? I thought they did a good job. We had the one holding penalty at the 35-yard line [on right guard Artis Hicks in the first quarter] I was not happy about but all those pre-snap penalties we eliminated. And then when need to find some explosive plays in the pass game.”

Childress on the performance of quarterback Tarvaris Jackson (13 of 23 for 163 yards with one touchdown, one interception and a 75.1 rating): “I thought it was pretty even keel, I know there were a couple of throws that he would like to have back. I thought he did a good job of managing things. Could have done a better job of not trying to make that play that got intercepted [in the third quarter]. Live to play another down. I think we were second-and-5 at the time. An incompletion at least is going to take you to third and makeable. … I think he tried to make one happen that didn’t have to make happen. Other than that I thought he played OK.”

Childress on how running back Mewelde Moore will be used: “I think it ends up sorting itself out just from an injury standpoint or what you need on the defensive side or what you’re looking to feature package wise on the offensive side. I think that will always end up sorting itself out and just know going in a lot of times there are eight players sitting. Now, whether all eight of those guys were in fact viable, for instance Mike Doss this week couldn’t have competed, who knows? … We had three fullbacks up yesterday. There may be a time you have three tailbacks up for a reason or just the package you’re going to put together.”

Moore, of course, was inactive for Sunday’s game.

 
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wins against:

Atl :confused:

Det :excited:

KC X

GB x2 X

Oak :pickle:

Was X

SF :lmao:

NYG :thumbup:

Steal one from CHI :thumbup:

You are saying this isn't possible?
skol vikes !!!!Just to move this to the active thread and keep some optimism flowing.

 
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ailgating with Zygi Wilf- BELIEVE IT!

How cool is it when the millionaire owner of your favorite NFL team tailgates with the fans in the lot? Very Cool.

On Sunday, in the lot for tailgaters (purple lot 1) Zygi Wilf came out and fired up his most loyals fans. The entire gang of our core of tailgaters welcomed the Vikings owner and his entourage to our community. He kicked three field goals, and missed all of them. He showed us all that he was NORMAL, and humble, and most of all as passionate about the team that he owns, as we are to cheer for them. He joked that it "Doesn't matter how I kick field goals, what matters is how they kick them inside."

We got a chance to shake his hand and listen to him give us an impromptu pep speech. The message was clear; we are the fan base, the loyalists, and wants us all to know that his team is working to bring us many championships in the near future.

For a disheartened, aging Vikes fan, who has been down on the team for the past few years, it was just what the football doctor ordered. We needed that message, and it was just a simple little show of appreciation from the man at the top of the Vikings ladder.

It might be the rube in me, the guy that is hesistant to believe in Corporate America's money men, but it's rare to see a person of his stature actually show his human side. I have to believe again. Hat's off to you Mr. Wilf. You are true Viking, you are the real deal.
http://vikingstailgate.blogspot.com/2007/0...believe-it.html
 
ailgating with Zygi Wilf- BELIEVE IT!

How cool is it when the millionaire owner of your favorite NFL team tailgates with the fans in the lot? Very Cool.

On Sunday, in the lot for tailgaters (purple lot 1) Zygi Wilf came out and fired up his most loyals fans. The entire gang of our core of tailgaters welcomed the Vikings owner and his entourage to our community. He kicked three field goals, and missed all of them. He showed us all that he was NORMAL, and humble, and most of all as passionate about the team that he owns, as we are to cheer for them. He joked that it "Doesn't matter how I kick field goals, what matters is how they kick them inside."

We got a chance to shake his hand and listen to him give us an impromptu pep speech. The message was clear; we are the fan base, the loyalists, and wants us all to know that his team is working to bring us many championships in the near future.

For a disheartened, aging Vikes fan, who has been down on the team for the past few years, it was just what the football doctor ordered. We needed that message, and it was just a simple little show of appreciation from the man at the top of the Vikings ladder.

It might be the rube in me, the guy that is hesistant to believe in Corporate America's money men, but it's rare to see a person of his stature actually show his human side. I have to believe again. Hat's off to you Mr. Wilf. You are true Viking, you are the real deal.
http://vikingstailgate.blogspot.com/2007/0...believe-it.html
Picture of Zygi firing up the fans.
 
Oof. :own3d:

Stop the run = stop the Vikes

How many times were they even in the red zone this afternoon? Once?

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Although to be fair, I cannot believe they didn't :shrug: Calvin Johnson for that push-off on his touchdown.Terrible.
that was 50/50, the play that got me was the 3rd down roughing the passer, where spencer was already in the air when the ball was thrown, that was ####### horrible.but all in all childress/bevell, tjax, and the oline is why we lost, in order. AD, the defense, and special teams played well enough for us to win the game.oh well, this was semi expected, hopefully tjax can improve and see if he's our future qb or should be looking for a new one this offseason.
 
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wins against:

Atl :blackdot:

Det

KC

GB x2

Oak

Was

SF

NYG

Steal one from CHI

You are saying this isn't possible?
Peterson owner and am sad to see the inability for the Vikes to stay competitive. Here's hoping for Jackson's accelerated maturation.
 
I noticed that Peterson seemed to have a lot of carries for negative yardage. I assume this was because Detroit was stacking the line because they didn't respect TJ? Could somebody who watched the game share their insight?

 
I noticed that Peterson seemed to have a lot of carries for negative yardage. I assume this was because Detroit was stacking the line because they didn't respect TJ? Could somebody who watched the game share their insight?
Correct. Minnesota will see 8 in the box all year.
 
I noticed that Peterson seemed to have a lot of carries for negative yardage. I assume this was because Detroit was stacking the line because they didn't respect TJ? Could somebody who watched the game share their insight?
That's exactly what happened. The Lions banked on Jackson not being able to beat them and they were right.Peterson did show off his rookieness though as he did look a bit indecisive. But the Lions front four didn't make it easy - they're for real. As is Ernie Sims.
 
That's exactly what happened. The Lions banked on Jackson not being able to beat them and they were right.Peterson did show off his rookieness though as he did look a bit indecisive. But the Lions front four didn't make it easy - they're for real. As is Ernie Sims.
So realistically, is there any chance they would go after Leftwich?
 
That's exactly what happened. The Lions banked on Jackson not being able to beat them and they were right.Peterson did show off his rookieness though as he did look a bit indecisive. But the Lions front four didn't make it easy - they're for real. As is Ernie Sims.
So realistically, is there any chance they would go after Leftwich?
I don't think he fits their system and it's already too late for him to learn it anyway. You'll see Holcomb before you see Leftwich.IMO.
 
That's exactly what happened. The Lions banked on Jackson not being able to beat them and they were right.Peterson did show off his rookieness though as he did look a bit indecisive. But the Lions front four didn't make it easy - they're for real. As is Ernie Sims.
So realistically, is there any chance they would go after Leftwich?
I don't think he fits their system and it's already too late for him to learn it anyway. You'll see Holcomb before you see Leftwich.IMO.
I was actually relieved to see Bollinger in there during OT ;)
 
With this defense & when they get Chester back the running game I'm still sticking with my 6-7 wins.. although it is looking more and more like 6.

Atlanta - win

Good chance to win next week at KC...WIN

Packers at home.. Won't be easy, but that Rush defense + Blitzing in the Dome should keep it close enough to possibly win. WIN

Then a bad streak until week 8..

A slight chance against the Eagles in the Dome but more than likely not.

Oakland in the Dome.. WIN

@ Giants.. Depends on if they find a defense or not by then

They will beat the Lions at home... WIN

& Bears at the Dome.. Defensive struggle, who knows who is QB for the Vikes... Rexy will do just enough to lose.

So I have them at 5 wins with a possibility of grabbing the Bear, Eagle or Giant game to get to 6 wins.

 
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Who's surprised that a QB making his 5th(?) start would struggle in some games? On the road? Throwing to Ferguson and Williamson?

Seriously, it's not time to fire the coach. It's not time to bench the QB.

There are plenty of great QBs who struggled as they learned to play. Is #7 a great one? It's too soon to tell either way.

Did all of the angry fans really think this team had a chance to do anything besides take some lumps this season? :)

 
jestertj said:
Who's surprised that a QB making his 5th(?) start would struggle in some games? On the road? Throwing to Ferguson and Williamson?Seriously, it's not time to fire the coach. It's not time to bench the QB.There are plenty of great QBs who struggled as they learned to play. Is #7 a great one? It's too soon to tell either way.Did all of the angry fans really think this team had a chance to do anything besides take some lumps this season? :lol:
We expected a game plan that was protect the ball #1, run #2 and let the defense do the rest.A Game plan that basically forgot about the run and let a QB, who was starting his 5th game, wing it on the road was :clap: ..It was almost like Childress heard all the complaints last week by the Viking "fans", who after a win, still complained about the QB not throwing deep. So they went deep and 4 INT's later he is getting torn a part.Should have stuck with the "play it close to the vest" game plan and waited for the next home game if he wanted to test TJ's arm.
 
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jestertj said:
Who's surprised that a QB making his 5th(?) start would struggle in some games? On the road? Throwing to Ferguson and Williamson?Seriously, it's not time to fire the coach. It's not time to bench the QB.There are plenty of great QBs who struggled as they learned to play. Is #7 a great one? It's too soon to tell either way.Did all of the angry fans really think this team had a chance to do anything besides take some lumps this season? :lmao:
We expected a game plan that was protect the ball #1, run #2 and let the defense do the rest.A Game plan that basically forgot about the run and let a QB, who was starting his 5th game, wing it on the road was :confused: ..It was almost like Childress heard all the complaints last week by the Viking "fans", who after a win, still complained about the QB not throwing deep. So they went deep and 4 INT's later he is getting torn a part.Should have stuck with the "play it close to the vest" game plan and waited for the next home game if he wanted to test TJ's arm.
Unfortunitly I was not able to see the game. I probobly wont get many chances to see the Vikings here as AFN tends to carry teams with playoff aspirations only.Looking at the box score the run/pass distribution was 37 passing attempts to 33 rushing attempts. Of course 5 of those runs were Jackson scrambles with one by Bollinger. Those calls may have been designed passing plays. Without seeing the game I am not sure.I did notice from reading the game thread that there were times that the offense would throw on 1st-3rd down and would throw on 3rd and short. If this is true :shrug: The Vikings need to get Chester healthy and stick with the game plan (what should be what I thought was the game plan) of playing very conservative and running the ball 40 times a game. 33 is not enough when 5 of those are QB scrambles. The Vikings have enough RBs that they should get 30 RA a game and give the defense a chance by not turning the ball over so much.Makes no sense to me to throw the ball as often as they did with the score not out of reach. Keep controlling the clock and keep those nasty WR off the field and dont hurt your Qbs confidence asking him to compete with Martz passing offense and those recievers when you dont have to.
 
I agree with two of Andy's points.

First Lefty is not the answer, and does not fit the system. He would get killed back there with his slow release.

Secondly, I want Chilli fired too!

 
jestertj said:
Who's surprised that a QB making his 5th(?) start would struggle in some games? On the road? Throwing to Ferguson and Williamson?Seriously, it's not time to fire the coach. It's not time to bench the QB.There are plenty of great QBs who struggled as they learned to play. Is #7 a great one? It's too soon to tell either way.Did all of the angry fans really think this team had a chance to do anything besides take some lumps this season? :confused:
We expected a game plan that was protect the ball #1, run #2 and let the defense do the rest.A Game plan that basically forgot about the run and let a QB, who was starting his 5th game, wing it on the road was :thumbdown: ..It was almost like Childress heard all the complaints last week by the Viking "fans", who after a win, still complained about the QB not throwing deep. So they went deep and 4 INT's later he is getting torn a part.Should have stuck with the "play it close to the vest" game plan and waited for the next home game if he wanted to test TJ's arm.
:goodposting:
 
Is anyone else just a little bit worried about this offensive line? Cook was horrible out there and played the role of revolving door to a tee. It seemed like they were running to that right side a little more than they should have as well. Not to forget Birk's play. Very average IMO. Everytime Tarvaris went back 5 steps, that pocket was closed before he could blink. Add to that his decision making process in the pocket is taking an extra couple seconds longer than it should be and a solid to average college wideout core, you end up with an offensive recipe for disaster.

I'm not ready to hit the panic button just yet, just that the o-line is supposed to be one of the strengths of this team and if they don't perform, anyone would have a hard time moving the ball.

 
Count me as a lifetime fan who just can't stand to watch this club right now. Had season tickets since 1997 and choose to take a few years off until they hire a real NFL head coach after an interview process that includes more than one candidate. Hopefully, this time around the Wilf's will have an experienced football guy involved (not sure the Speilman qualifies) when they choose Chilly's replacement.

Mike Singletary please! This generation of players will play hard for a guy that played the game especially a defensive minded HOF'er who would strive to bring a certain mindset to his team...as an Asst Head for Nolan in SF he is going to be one of the next guys to get a chance and they can hire an offensive mind ala Martz to run the offense. From the beginning the hiring of Chilly's bobo Beavell, who is no threat to him, was a huge red flag about Chilly's paranoia. Regardless, the overhaul needs to start now!

 
Is there any chance that Holcomb takes over for Tavaris at any point this season?
If this is going to happen you would think it would be soon. If they struggle with Jackson for 3 or 4 more weeks and lose all those games there is no sense turning to a veteran when your season is in the toilet.
 
Is there any chance that Holcomb takes over for Tavaris at any point this season?
I sure hope Chilly uses Jackson's injury as a smoke screen to keep him on the bench and see what Holcomb can do. Jackson played at Alabama State. The schemes and pressure of NFl defenses are things he never even remotely saw at A state. He has shown little progression and needs more time learning before he is a starter at this level. I do not believe this team can write off this year as a rebuilding year. The NFC is a crap shoot every week. New Orleans is looking pathetic, no one in the west scares anyone, Dallas looks to be the only real team in the east(sorry skins fans) and with some decent QB play I think the Vikes have a chance against anyone in the NFC south. They are looking for the people of MN to step up and support a new stadium. 5-11 or 6-10 is not going to create a ground swell of support for a new stadium. They need to try to win this year with the best available players they have on their roster. I think Holcomb is the best option at QB for this team. They could release Bollinger tomorrow and no team in the NFL is going to pick him up. Maybe because no other head coach in the NFL was his coach in college and is doing him a favor to collect and NFL check
 
Is there any chance that Holcomb takes over for Tavaris at any point this season?
I sure hope Chilly uses Jackson's injury as a smoke screen to keep him on the bench and see what Holcomb can do. Jackson played at Alabama State. The schemes and pressure of NFl defenses are things he never even remotely saw at A state. He has shown little progression and needs more time learning before he is a starter at this level. I do not believe this team can write off this year as a rebuilding year. The NFC is a crap shoot every week. New Orleans is looking pathetic, no one in the west scares anyone, Dallas looks to be the only real team in the east(sorry skins fans) and with some decent QB play I think the Vikes have a chance against anyone in the NFC south. They are looking for the people of MN to step up and support a new stadium. 5-11 or 6-10 is not going to create a ground swell of support for a new stadium. They need to try to win this year with the best available players they have on their roster. I think Holcomb is the best option at QB for this team. They could release Bollinger tomorrow and no team in the NFL is going to pick him up. Maybe because no other head coach in the NFL was his coach in college and is doing him a favor to collect and NFL check
I agree. This year is imperative for the Vikings to gain public support in their push for a new stadium. If Holcomb can come in and be effective and not lose games for this team, then I think he should be the guy. Jackson's ball security has been abysmal so far and has put the defense in compromising positions. This offense just has to be mediocre for this team to have a chance in the NFC.
 
Can I start calling for Childresses head again, or is this too soon?
Fine with me. I still don't know why they hired him. :lmao:
Easy, the Vikes wanted a pipeline to Wisconsin alums such as Bevell and Bollinger. They probably should have set their sights a bit higher and made a run at Alvarez though. In all seriousness, I really do not second guess that the Vikes hired Childress. He was on the market, probably one of the best options available coming from a successful franchise, and he was going to be interviewed by the Packers after interviewing with Minnesota. Where I think it's pretty clear that the Vikes went wrong was allowing Childress to both hand pick a completely unseasoned OC who was obviously unprepared and a Division 1AA QB. When Childress hired an OC who he didn't even trust to call plays, it should have raised a huge red flag that something was very wrong [it did for me, immediately]. The NFL simply doesn't allow the luxury of grooming a guy to become qualified to do the significant job you handed him, particularly with the youth this team was assemblig at key offensive positions. On TJack, between the lines I believe the Vikes [cough, cough Childress] avoided any competition at all from a back-up QB, not wanting to subject TJ to the typical fanbase love of a back up QB if/when he struggled. All decisions come with consequences, and the consequence here is the Vikes will be without NFL-caliber QB play at any point in 2007 if TJack does not pan out. IMHO they'll win a game here or there when the QB doesn't flat out lose the game, but that's all I'm expecting. Allowing Childress that sort of authority was plainly wrong and in all likelihood it will be his undoing. I lay as much blame on the Vikes front office. There's just no telling how successful Childress might be as a head coach if assistant coach qualifications are dictated and he is forced to coach talent assembled by the personnel department, at least until he establishes that he has a nose for personnel. BTW- After initially predicting 6-10, I conceded to that 10-6 was possibly within reach following the win over a lousy Atlanta team. No way. I'm back to predicting that there's little chance this offense generates a single offensive TD in 2 games against the Bears. In fact, they will be lucky to score an offensive TD in 2 games vs. the Pack.
 
its too early to give up on T Jackson yet, hes only in is 2nd yr and only has like 3 or 4 starts. A major problem is that they have no playmaking WRs and a decent TE... don't know whats up with Williamson, I that he had a great camp????

Everything else seems to be in place... Great RB situation; Good Online, very aggressive Defense that causes Turn overs.

 
KellysHeroes said:
its too early to give up on T Jackson yet, hes only in is 2nd yr and only has like 3 or 4 starts. A major problem is that they have no playmaking WRs and a decent TE... don't know whats up with Williamson, I that he had a great camp???? Everything else seems to be in place... Great RB situation; Good Online, very aggressive Defense that causes Turn overs.
The history of the NFL is LITTERED with guys that had 3 or 4 starts to prove themselves and didn't - thus getting kicked to the curb. In 4 starts, you can see if a guy is progressing and if he has "it". If he doesn't, it's time to pull the plug ASAP.Jackson seems like a nice enough guy and he really has worked his guts out to prepare himself. But the simple, brutal fact is that he simply is not ready right now and signs point to him never becoming so.
 
KellysHeroes said:
its too early to give up on T Jackson yet, hes only in is 2nd yr and only has like 3 or 4 starts. A major problem is that they have no playmaking WRs and a decent TE... don't know whats up with Williamson, I that he had a great camp???? Everything else seems to be in place... Great RB situation; Good Online, very aggressive Defense that causes Turn overs.
The history of the NFL is LITTERED with guys that had 3 or 4 starts to prove themselves and didn't - thus getting kicked to the curb. In 4 starts, you can see if a guy is progressing and if he has "it". If he doesn't, it's time to pull the plug ASAP.Jackson seems like a nice enough guy and he really has worked his guts out to prepare himself. But the simple, brutal fact is that he simply is not ready right now and signs point to him never becoming so.
The part of this that really bothers me is the fact that it is the QB position we are talking about here. We are not debating starting a rookie DB or left guard. This is the most important position on the offense. I do not believe for 1 second the Vikings coaching staff and front office believed that Jackson was ready to compete in the NFL. He is no further along than Thigpen was and we tryed to stash him on the practice squad and another team actually put him on their full-time roster. Childress has made a fatal error in judgement when it comes to Jackson, in my opinion. But then again, I am sitting in a hotel room in Denver interviewing a bunch of no minds to run a store here in town for me. I guess he does have more qualifications than I do. Though I bet he didn't get Ronald Curry in the 13th round or Cotchery in the 14th!
 
When I think back to the 2006 draft, I can't help but wonder what the cost would have been for them to move up and get Cutler instead of Denver.

Instead, they decided to save the picks and trade up for Cook in the 2nd. :sadbanana: :cry:

Not that Greenway was a bad pick at #17. But Cutler will be a franchise QB. Can you imagine a nucleus of Cutler, Peterson, and Rice to look forward to as a Vikings fan?

 
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KellysHeroes said:
its too early to give up on T Jackson yet, hes only in is 2nd yr and only has like 3 or 4 starts. A major problem is that they have no playmaking WRs and a decent TE... don't know whats up with Williamson, I that he had a great camp???? Everything else seems to be in place... Great RB situation; Good Online, very aggressive Defense that causes Turn overs.
The history of the NFL is LITTERED with guys that had 3 or 4 starts to prove themselves and didn't - thus getting kicked to the curb. In 4 starts, you can see if a guy is progressing and if he has "it". If he doesn't, it's time to pull the plug ASAP.Jackson seems like a nice enough guy and he really has worked his guts out to prepare himself. But the simple, brutal fact is that he simply is not ready right now and signs point to him never becoming so.
Part of the problem is that they don't seem to be building a playbook around him specifically. He had some decent runs vs. the Lions last weekend and if they had some plays that were designed for it, he could tuck the ball and run sooner and cause some problems with opposing defenses. If the defense has to use someone as a spy, it also clears lanes for ADP.Jackson looks like a Plummer clone- use some naked bootlegs and run the offense looking to stretch the field on 1st down and convert 3rd and shorts. The Brad Johnson playbook isn't going to cut it anymore.
 
When I think back to the 2006 draft, I can't help but wonder what the cost would have been for them to move up and get Cutler instead of Denver.Instead, they decided to save the picks and trade up for Cook in the 2nd. :unsure: :(Not that Greenway was a bad pick at #17. But Cutler will be a franchise QB. Can you imagine a nucleus of Cutler, Peterson, and Rice to look forward to as a Vikings fan?
I did umagine the future, it was the year 2000. C-Pep, Randy and Robert Smith for next 5 years. 7 or 8 probowlers and a bright future. Seems like a life time ago! i might as well get it out of the way ;)
 

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