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Anthony Borbely
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I have him as a low RB1. He is a virtual lock for 300 carries. He plays for a very good offensive team with a great offensive line. For those who think he is on the downside or worried about wear and tear, he averaged over 100 yards per game in the second half of last season. He averaged 3.5 YPC in the first quarter of games, and almost 5 YPC the last 3 quarters of games, so he gets better with more work. The age thing is a non issue to me, as are the number of carries. He is a workhorse and always has been.
I really don't see a negative with Jamal and think he is one of the most undervalued RBs right now. I don't see how he doesn't put up at least 1200 rushing yards and about 8-10 TDs.
I really don't see a negative with Jamal and think he is one of the most undervalued RBs right now. I don't see how he doesn't put up at least 1200 rushing yards and about 8-10 TDs.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
here are my early rankings at RB for what it's worth: 1pt/10yds, 6ptTDs, 0.5PPR
LT
Westbrook
SJax
Addai
Peterson
Gore
MJD
Portis
Barber
McGahee
Bush
Lynch
Jacobs
Grant
Thomas Jones
Lewis
ie - i have him at RB 16.
LT
Westbrook
SJax
Addai
Peterson
Gore
MJD
Portis
Barber
McGahee
Bush
Lynch
Jacobs
Grant
Thomas Jones
Lewis
ie - i have him at RB 16.
what's low #1, specifically? 11? 12?here's my 12I'm a big fan of Marion Barber and he'll probably be in it by the end of the summer. I'd like to read/see some good things with Julius not around, and that Felix isn't any threat to his #s like Julius was.LaDainian Tomlinson Adrian Peterson Brian Westbrook Steven Jackson Joseph Addai Frank Gore Larry Johnson Jamal Lewis Marshawn Lynch Clinton Portis Willie Parker Willis McGahee
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I guess people don't think at 29 he will repeat his second best season in terms of ypc (4.4), TD (11), and fantasy points (221).
I'm not sure he should be considered a lock for 300 carries, as he's missed 3 of the last 4 years (although last year he was off by 2 carries). He's had some nagging injuries the last few years that make him have a few questions on his workload and his effectiveness.
I think some of it has to do with people thinking that maybe the Browns offense was a fluke last year. I agree that if he's healthy and the Browns can move the ball and score, then he should be a Top 10 candidate. Not sure why there are so many staff guys with him barely in their Top 20.
I'm not sure he should be considered a lock for 300 carries, as he's missed 3 of the last 4 years (although last year he was off by 2 carries). He's had some nagging injuries the last few years that make him have a few questions on his workload and his effectiveness.
I think some of it has to do with people thinking that maybe the Browns offense was a fluke last year. I agree that if he's healthy and the Browns can move the ball and score, then he should be a Top 10 candidate. Not sure why there are so many staff guys with him barely in their Top 20.
I guess you're the guineapig here for this discussion then.why so low?he is a former 2k yard back that is coming off 1300 and 1100 the last couple years and roughly 10 TDs in each. What's the concern or negative viwpoint here?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
If he wasn't a threat to MBIII's carries then the Cowboys would not have drafted him. Seriously, if DAL wanted to hand the job to MBIII, then they could have signed any of the 43,000 free agent RBs out there for peanuts. Instead, they burned a first round pick on FJ. IMO, teams don't use a first round pick on a guy they predominently want ont he bench, as that makes zero sense.As I outlined in other threads, my concern for MBIII is that historically TDs are hard to predict, and without all those scores MBIII won't come close to his earning back his draft spot.At some point (hopefully next weekend) I will post my rankings for those that are interested . . .
jurb26
Footballguy
This is an awfully weak argument IMO. Lewis was off by 2 carries last year and he missed a full game. 2006 he had 300+ carries and the 2004/2005 seasons had extraordinary circumstances (that have been discussed plenty around here) that provide no relevance what so ever to this year or the last 2. Bottom line, Lewis has been a 300+ carry RB the last 2 seasons and so long as nothing extraordinary derails that he will be again in 2008. He will do so in a great offense.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
there is no concern. i have him penciled in at total yards/TDs of 1200 and 10 or so, but without many receptions. Since it's 0.5 PPR, he's a bit lower than RBs with similar rushing stats but who get receptions.other RBs who just missed the cut after lewis: larry johnson, maroney, all the rookies, ronnie brown, turner, etc.
Yeah but Jamal's track record includes 3 1300 yard seasons, a 2k yard season, and pretty much unless he gets hurt he's a lock to get a 1000.Ryan Grant-His history is practice squad and did well in GBJones-didn't look good at all last year and has had his share of ups and downs in his careerJacobs-I love watching this guy but can't ignore the possibility he's an injury waiting to happenFor me, Jamal gives me more 'security' than those guys so he's higher. Why do you have him lower than them? just liked what ya saw from jacobs and grant in 07?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Jacobs, Jones, and Grant play for better teams with stronger o-lines. While Cleveland's o-line should be improved over last season, it doesn't compare to the Giants o-line, or the HUGE improvements for the Jets o-line, or the dominant Packers o-line. Put Lewis in those situations, and I'd have him higher than those three RBs.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Care to guess how many 29 year old (not 29 or older, just 29) RBs have hit the 300 carry mark in a season? I'll save you the trouble of guessing . . . 14:Eddie George 2002 343 James Stewart 2000 339 Barry Sanders 1997 335 Edgerrin James 2007 324 Charles White 1987 324 Tiki Barber 2004 322 Emmitt Smith 1998 319 Ricky Watters 1998 319 Stephen Davis 2003 318 Eric Dickerson 1989 314 Walter Payton 1983 314 Priest Holmes 2002 313 Thomas Jones 2007 310 Anthony Johnson 1996 300And to clarify, I never said he wouldn't get 300 carries, only that IMO he's not a lock to get that many. I think IF HEALTHY he should get 300 carries, but he has had some bumps and bruises along the way that might preclude him from reaching that many.
I didn't 'see' the Jones ranking, that makes some sense if ya really like their OL moves. Sure didn't based on their OL play last year. Thanks for clarifying
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Browns had a 4.3 team ypc while the Packers clocked in at 4.1.
I think Jamal's a type of workhorse back like (most of) those guys though. That does seem like a stat line he can fit into
Jackson and Wynn had some ya gotta be kidding me moments last year as they seemed to trip over the LOS. Those two had good moments but, some of those bad ones were baffling. I could see that being the .2 difference.
seems fair, thanks for sharing
jurb26
Footballguy
Nobody is a lock for anything if football. It's a violent game. Lewis is a lock for 300 carries if he plays 16 games though. Anyone can throw out the IF HEALTHY statement about any player. We need to assume a level of full health, outside of extraordinary circumstances, for players or else discussing these things is totally useless in the 1st place. Again, I think you are providing rather selective selective stats to prove your point. Why is it that these RBs have to be exactly 29 and can't be older?So let me ask you this. If Lewis plays 16 games in 2008 how many carries do you see him getting?
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Again, I'm not saying Lewis can't or won't hit 300 carries. Maybe this list fits you better . . .RB that his 2000 carries thrrough age 28 and how many carries they had at 29:Emmitt Smith 319Edgerrin James 324Jerome Bettis 225 Barry Sanders 335LaDainian Tomlinson ? Walter Payton 314Curtis Martin 261Marshall Faulk 212Eric Dickerson 314Jamal Lewis ?Eddie George 343 Thurman Thomas 267Lewis SHOULD hit 300 carries, as I doubt the Browns have anyone else as a major threat to his carries. But you never know what can happen . . .
jurb26
Footballguy
I would agree with this. The never know what can happen really boils down to does he get injured or not. I don't see Jamal as a guy to flag as higher than normal risk to get injured.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Why are you making this an argument over nothing? I'm not syaing Lewis is going to tank, and I don't think he won't get under 300 carries. All I'm saying is that at his age and his injury history that it's not a sure thing. As for your question, yes, if he plays every game he should hit 300 carries. But in 6 of 8 years he hasn't played in every game, so he obviously has gotten hurt. And he's hit 300 carries in 4 of 8 seasons, so again 50/50 is not a lock.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
There are two ways to look at this.1) Anyone can get hurt on any play and therefore everyone is an injury risk. I agree to this in principle, as anyone can and on occasion will get hurt.2) Certain guys have shown that they do miss some time and struggle to play in every game. In Lewis' case, while I don't consider him a habitual offender to get hurt, he has shown that he has struggled to play in 16 gems each year. Does that make him more or less likely to play in 16 games? I don't have an answer. But in my eyes, he would be a greater candidate for missing "some" time, whether that be a game or two I don't know. That may not be a fair assessment, but that's my thought process.This is part of the problem in projecting/ranking players. IMO, there are guys that would project out way higher if we knew 100% that they would start and produce every single game (Donocan McNabb, this means you). So should they be graded on playing every game or missing time?
jurb26
Footballguy
The reason I'm taking exception to this is the fact that you continue to ignore the overriding circumstances that were at play in the seasons of 2004 and 2005. I thought I had made that rather clear before. Basically, Lewis has had 300+ carries every season he has not been in jail or trying to recover from an injury prior to the season. He is doing neither of those things coming into 2008. So I'd say that your logic of 50/50 chance is rather flawed. You have to look at the reality of what is taking place now vs. what has happened in those years.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I like everything about Jamal (his offense, his oline, his personal skills and his production last year.) The one think I don't like and the only thing that would keep him out of my top ten is his schedule. He has some very tough games this year and I'm not sure he can overcome that. This is what my top 15 looks like right now.
LT
Westbrook
Addai
Peterson
McGahee
Portis
S. Jackson
Gore
Graham
Lynch
R. Bush
J. Lewis
M. Barber
K. Smith
MJD
LT
Westbrook
Addai
Peterson
McGahee
Portis
S. Jackson
Gore
Graham
Lynch
R. Bush
J. Lewis
M. Barber
K. Smith
MJD
jurb26
Footballguy
Again I think you are being extremely shortsighted. Jamal has missed a total of 6 games in his 7 year career. 4 where in a season in which he spent the entire off-season in a jail cell trying to recover from an injury with no professional training staff or method of training. I would consider this an extreme and extraordinary circumstance. Wouldn't you? Outside of that he has missed 2 games. Another of those games was in 2005 where again Jamal had to recover during the off-season and he battled that injury for the greater portion of the 2005 season. These were easy years to foresee Jamal struggling and I know they were talked about at length on this board. Last year Jamal missed a game. Only the 6th game in his 7 year career yet he still managed 298 carries. I'd say a guy who has missed only 6 games in 7 years, 4 of those coming in the season I just documented for you, so really 2 games in 6 years is actually one of the least likely workhorse RBs to miss time. To each their own.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I laughed at the part that recovering from an injury is not germane to the argument as to whether or not he will play 16 games or reach 300 carries.So sure, if we totally ignore all the times he's been injured, then sure, I guess he's a MORTAL LOCK to hit 300 carries.Can we use that argument with Ahman Green? Cause every time in the past 7 years he's played in 16 games, he's hit 300 carries. I guess we can ignore the 5 other seasons when he had some injuries.So I go back to what I said earlier, if Lewis stays healthy and plays in every game, he should hit 300 carries. If you want to associate 0 injury risk to him, knock yourself out.BTW, I'm not saying that either of us is right or wrong, only that the methodologies of what to expect from him are different.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
jurb . . . you missed the ENTIRE SEASON that Lewis didn't play.
jurb26
Footballguy
Ok, you're right. It's wise to assume Jamal again has a lingering injury entering this year is spending time in jail with no professional training or method of getting into shape.
jurb26
Footballguy
Ahhh, your right. I forgot about 2001.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Leiws has averaged 294-1114-7 with 27-185-1 (178 fantasy points) over the last 3 years. I don't see any reason why we should not start with that as his baseline for next year and would entertain reasons why he should go up or down from there.
Last year, that would have ranked him 11th (really 12th, but he scored more last year so he can't be ranked twice).
Last year, that would have ranked him 11th (really 12th, but he scored more last year so he can't be ranked twice).
JKL
Footballguy
I've done a lot of research on the injury thing, and I think we do need to separate out serious traumatic injuries that cause missed seasons (like torn ACL, broken foot) from those injuries that are of shorter duration (lower back and leg muscle pulls and strains, contusions, etc.). If we control for immediate prior workload, the younger backs (24 and under) actually suffer traumatic injuries at a higher rate. The backs who are 25-27 tend to stay the healthiest with healthy feature back workloads. The older backs, as a general class, don't have any greater risk of serious injury than the 25-27 year olds, but they do tend to miss more games here and there with the non-season ending injuries. In other words, you do have to take into account history. There is a reason that relatively few 29 year olds get over 300 attempts in a season. The players that were able to carry it 22 times a game as a 26 and 27 year old may need to cut back to 17-18 a game to keep from getting those nagging injuries.All that said, I do like Lewis in about the 10-13 range. As I discussed in the LJ spotlight, the 29+year olds that have been successful have generally had 2 things going for them: (1)they were relatively healthy the season before, with most playing all games and very few missing more than 2, and (2) they tended to played on teams that were above average offensively overall. For those reasons, I didn't like LJ, but think guys like Lewis and James are decent propositions at their current ADP.I disagree with the comments about the o-line. Thomas is already one of the best in the league at LT and the next perennial pro bowler at the position, Steinbach is above average at G, and Shaffer was miscast at LT before Thomas arrived, but an asset at RT. I think they are in the top tier of offensive lines. The fact that the LT was 23, the offensive line isn't relying on players well in their 30's, the QB was 24, and the offensive skill positions are entering their prime years are reasons to think this offense will not regress, which should benefit Lewis. The question that will determine whether Lewis reaches Top 10 status is whether the defense improves enough to let them have some close leads late against a pretty solid schedule, which in turn will be the difference between 280 attempts and 320.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Lewis was at his best in 07 late in the season (a possible sign of good things to come) or when he was running against inferior competition (a possible bad sign). This year's slate is full of tough defenses, especially against the run. My expectations are reserved, he is basically an every week starting #2 but I wouldn't consider him before the middle of the 2nd (non ppr) or middle-late 3rd (ppr). I think there are going to be too many 20 carries for 60 yds and 0 TD games for my liking as a fantasy owner. I think he'll do well in his role (soften up defenses, create opportunities for the passing game), but the Browns offensive fantasy numbers this year are going to come primarily through the air.
I currently have him ranked on the same tier as MJD, Bush, and J Stew as my RB14-17, he's at the top of that tier in a non ppr and the bottom of it in a ppr.
I currently have him ranked on the same tier as MJD, Bush, and J Stew as my RB14-17, he's at the top of that tier in a non ppr and the bottom of it in a ppr.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The key to Jamal Lewis is the offensive line. He went over 2000 yards with a very good offensive line in Baltimore and Cleveland now also has a solid offensive line, something people aren't talking about. The only thing that won't keep him from having a similar type year as last year is an injury, but you can say that about any running back. There's no doubt in my mind Jamal Lewis is undervalued right now because of Cleveland's offensive line. Jamal Lewis is a proven back when running behind a solid line.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I don't really have a lot to add, other than I've never been much of a Jamal Lewis fan outside of his 2000 yard season. He was terrific that year, but for whatever reason, he's never played at such a consistently high level ever again. Jamal Anderson was incredible for one season, too. It doesn't mean Lewis wasn't awesome that year, but quite frankly, what he did that year doesn't hold much relevance to me.Lewis missed two games last year (weeks 5 and 6), and he's going to be 29 years old. Neither of those factors are particularly damning, and I wouldn't classify him as a serious injury risk for this season. But because I don't think he's an elite RB, I'd be wary of taking him too early. He's an ideal RB2, IMO. I know some love his talent, but I don't see it. He averaged fewer YPC than Chestor Taylor in '04 and '05, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith in '06, and Jason Wright/Jerome Harrison in '07. Some people believe that it's easier for backup RBs to average more YPC, but in general, RB1s average more YPC than their team's RB2s, and RB2s average more YPC than RB3s. Not that I think Lewis is going to lose his job, but I think he's simply not an elite RB. And when non-elite RBs lose a step, they're done. So Lewis' age and workload are a bit more worrisome than LT's age and workload, IMO. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Lewis fall below 4.0 YPC this year, in which case he'll be a pretty bad pick.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Lewis has only averaged less than 4.0 yards per carry twice in his career and under 1000 yards once (and that year he still had over 900). I don't know what you're definition of elite is, if it's top 3 back then you're right, he's not but I don't think anyone's talking about drafting him that high. He finished 6th last year in the NFL which is pretty darn good and never in his career finished outside the top 25. The team in general started off slow last season, I don't expect that to happen this year. Sure he could fall below 4.0 yards per carry but the odds are he won't. Odds are he'll finish around 1100 yards and 8 td's with about 30 receptions, it's what he does when running behind a quality line.I don't really have a lot to add, other than I've never been much of a Jamal Lewis fan outside of his 2000 yard season. He was terrific that year, but for whatever reason, he's never played at such a consistently high level ever again. Jamal Anderson was incredible for one season, too. It doesn't mean Lewis wasn't awesome that year, but quite frankly, what he did that year doesn't hold much relevance to me.Lewis missed two games last year (weeks 5 and 6), and he's going to be 29 years old. Neither of those factors are particularly damning, and I wouldn't classify him as a serious injury risk for this season. But because I don't think he's an elite RB, I'd be wary of taking him too early. He's an ideal RB2, IMO. I know some love his talent, but I don't see it. He averaged fewer YPC than Chestor Taylor in '04 and '05, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith in '06, and Jason Wright/Jerome Harrison in '07. Some people believe that it's easier for backup RBs to average more YPC, but in general, RB1s average more YPC than their team's RB2s, and RB2s average more YPC than RB3s. Not that I think Lewis is going to lose his job, but I think he's simply not an elite RB. And when non-elite RBs lose a step, they're done. So Lewis' age and workload are a bit more worrisome than LT's age and workload, IMO. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Lewis fall below 4.0 YPC this year, in which case he'll be a pretty bad pick.
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Any starting RB in the NFL could average over 4.0 YPC running behind a quality line. That's not much of a compliment.Anyway, I'm not sure we disagree too much. I just don't view 1100/8 with 30 receptions as worthy of a very high pick. His current ADP is at the very end of round 2, which seems about right to me.Lewis has only averaged less than 4.0 yards per carry twice in his career and under 1000 yards once (and that year he still had over 900). I don't know what you're definition of elite is, if it's top 3 back then you're right, he's not but I don't think anyone's talking about drafting him that high. He finished 6th last year in the NFL which is pretty darn good and never in his career finished outside the top 25. The team in general started off slow last season, I don't expect that to happen this year. Sure he could fall below 4.0 yards per carry but the odds are he won't. Odds are he'll finish around 1100 yards and 8 td's with about 30 receptions, it's what he does when running behind a quality line.I don't really have a lot to add, other than I've never been much of a Jamal Lewis fan outside of his 2000 yard season. He was terrific that year, but for whatever reason, he's never played at such a consistently high level ever again. Jamal Anderson was incredible for one season, too. It doesn't mean Lewis wasn't awesome that year, but quite frankly, what he did that year doesn't hold much relevance to me.Lewis missed two games last year (weeks 5 and 6), and he's going to be 29 years old. Neither of those factors are particularly damning, and I wouldn't classify him as a serious injury risk for this season. But because I don't think he's an elite RB, I'd be wary of taking him too early. He's an ideal RB2, IMO. I know some love his talent, but I don't see it. He averaged fewer YPC than Chestor Taylor in '04 and '05, Mike Anderson and Musa Smith in '06, and Jason Wright/Jerome Harrison in '07. Some people believe that it's easier for backup RBs to average more YPC, but in general, RB1s average more YPC than their team's RB2s, and RB2s average more YPC than RB3s. Not that I think Lewis is going to lose his job, but I think he's simply not an elite RB. And when non-elite RBs lose a step, they're done. So Lewis' age and workload are a bit more worrisome than LT's age and workload, IMO. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Lewis fall below 4.0 YPC this year, in which case he'll be a pretty bad pick.
BigRed
Footballguy
Me either. He's been solid enough (when extenuating circumstances weren't in the way), but not amazing.
Yeah probably. I'm also a little concerned about the age thing - then again avoiding a player due to that has burned me more than once.
Unless he's well below it, I doub it. The whole 4.0 thing is overrated.PS and oh btw: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=399022
Tanner9919
Footballguy
the only negative I see, is too many 8-man fronts..if Derek Anderson falters, and he just might with that brutal schedule, teams will stack the box and force DA into passing, leading to turnovers..they could start 0-4.Quinn will make the running game null-n-void..IF DA can keep momentum going from last season, JL should cruise to a top 10 finish among RB's..he's one of about 4 RB's not embroiled in rbbc.
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
With Braylon Edwards and Winslow, I doubt there will be many 8-man fronts.the only negative I see, is too many 8-man fronts..if Derek Anderson falters, and he just might with that brutal schedule,
teams will stack the box and force DA into passing, leading to turnovers..they could start 0-4.
Quinn will make the running game null-n-void..
IF DA can keep momentum going from last season, JL should cruise to a top 10 finish among RB's..he's one of about 4 RB's not embroiled in rbbc.
I think he's a borderline first round pick, and a better pick than LJ or Grant. I have him at RB10. What exactly about his situation has changed that we think he's going to back off his RB6 finish from last year? The Browns certainly don't expect a dropoff, they gave him 10 million guaranteed this year in the offseason. He was showing no signs of wearing down due to age last year, in fact, 4 of his top 5 games came late in the season. Worried about some duds when Anderson doesn't play well? That's fair, he only got above 65 yards once before week 11, and once again, STILL finished as RB6. Worried about some missed games? He did basically miss two last year. No problem! His handcuff, Jason Wright, is one of the cheapest handcuffs in FF, and he'll benefit from the same healthy passing game and good offensive line.
Look, I didn't want to believe it at first either, but as long as Lewis has that line and a passing game with those weapons, he'll be a top RB2, and an adequate RB1.
Look, I didn't want to believe it at first either, but as long as Lewis has that line and a passing game with those weapons, he'll be a top RB2, and an adequate RB1.
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chris1969
Footballguy
With DA at QB, he won't see any run blitzes either, defenses were actually giving WR's a bigger cushion last year against DA which should help a bruising RB like Lewis. With Stallworth in, they may even give up a bigger cushion.With Braylon Edwards and Winslow, I doubt there will be many 8-man fronts.the only negative I see, is too many 8-man fronts..if Derek Anderson falters, and he just might with that brutal schedule,
teams will stack the box and force DA into passing, leading to turnovers..they could start 0-4.
Quinn will make the running game null-n-void..
IF DA can keep momentum going from last season, JL should cruise to a top 10 finish among RB's..he's one of about 4 RB's not embroiled in rbbc.
I've got him ranked at 8th in a non-ppr league and I'm really hoping to snag him in round 2 as RB2. That will be tough though in a league full of Browns fans.
kaa
Footballguy
The concern one should have with Jamal Lewis is the Browns are most definitely a passing team. If Jamal Lewis was prominent in the passing game, he'd be an absolute monster. If the Browns were a run-first team, he'd be an absolute monster. If the season goes perfectly, he probably gives you what he did a year ago. I do not feel comfortable thinking he can significantly exceed his 2007 production. So just to be safe I'd dial his 07 fantasy production down maybe 10-15% and rank him accordingly for 2008.
I think 1100 / 7 is reasonable plus 200 yards receiving.
I think 1100 / 7 is reasonable plus 200 yards receiving.
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
Why would his ceiling be his '07 numbers? The OLine and running game didn't really "gel" until halfway through the season, which is when Jamal really looked like a stud. I'm not a fan of prorating the 2nd half of the season and expecting that for the upcoming season, but THAT would be his ceiling, which would be 1648 rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, 296 receiving yards, 4 receiving TDs. Prorating his TDs is actually lower than what I think his TD ceiling is. Again, I've projected Jamal for 1250 rushing and 10 TDs, but I would not be shocked if the Brownies are a playoff team and JLew finishes closer to the top 5.kaa said:
jurb26
Footballguy
Lewis does not need Clev toe a run heavy team because no other RB on Clev gets any significant touches. All the other RBs in Clev combined last year had less than 100 carries (including the FB). On top of that, Lewis is not as bad in the passing game as many seem to think. He had 30 receptions for 250 yds and 2 TDs last year. Nothing earth shattering of course, but not shopped liver either. Lastly, Lewis has only rushed for less than 1100 yds in 2 of his 7 seasons.... so he's rushed for more than 1100 yds 5 of 7 times. He done so on teams that were much worse than the Clev team he is on now. The only time he was unable to rush for over 1100 yds he was injured and missed games. I would say that you're underestimating both Lewis and the Clev offense in these projections. Unless he gets injured he should easily surpass 1100/7 rushing.kaa said:
bigmiiiiike
Footballguy
The one concern that I have about JL is the disparity in production between wins and losses. In wins, he averaged over 100 yards per game (9 wins), in losses, he averaged less than 50 ypg (6 losses). I think the Browns will be comparable to if not better than last year's team, but IF they stumble and Sh** really hits the fan, I could see them falling behind, abandoning the run, turning to Quinn around week 8, etc. etc. Do I THINK that is going to happen? No, I have Jamal projected for big numbers. But if I had one concern about him, that would be it.
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