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Packers getting tired of Brandon Jackson (1 Viewer)

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Brandon Jackson-RB-Packers Oct. 19 - 8:11 pm et

According to beat writer Greg Bedard, the Packers "may be losing patience" with third-down back Brandon Jackson.

Bedard notes that Jackson, the club's 2007 second-round pick, was benched for fumbling with five minutes left in Week 6 against Detroit. Green Bay could replace Jackson with one of the two free agent veterans it tried out Monday.

Source: Greg Bedard on Twitter

What two FA vets did they try out?

 
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :pokey:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :coffee:
 
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switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :coffee:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :coffee:
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You're way off the mark there, switz. Go back and do a search. I didn't like this guy the second he was drafted and haven't liked him since. I've been very critical of Thompson for making that pick.
 
I have been more impressed with jackson than anything that Wynn has ever done. That said I would happy to add Rhodes as he as always been a solid #2 RB. Ahman was done when he left GB the last time. I loved him, but have no interest in him coming back unless it is to retire a Packer. Could really use Sutton on the roster right now as a return man.

 
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.

I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...

 
Aaronstory said:
Go Pack said:
Could really use Sutton on the roster right now as a return man.
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Why? So he could get to the 22 yard line and flop on the ground? People's infatuation with Sutton confounds me...
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Because Blackmon & Nelson are hurt and the last thing the Packers need is Tramon Williams or Woodson getting hurt in the return game. Even if they get a good return it will get call back by penalty anyway as the Packers commit more penalties this year than ever
 
Go Pack said:
Aaronstory said:
Go Pack said:
Could really use Sutton on the roster right now as a return man.
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Why? So he could get to the 22 yard line and flop on the ground? People's infatuation with Sutton confounds me...
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Because Blackmon & Nelson are hurt and the last thing the Packers need is Tramon Williams or Woodson getting hurt in the return game. Even if they get a good return it will get call back by penalty anyway as the Packers commit more penalties this year than ever
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B Jax will return kickoffs - but I hear you on punt returns. I love Tramon there though. Something good every time he gets a chance. Wrote about the penalties today
 
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :thumbup:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :lmao:
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It happens here every spring/summer when the following scenario takes place...1. Team X doesn't have a top-10 running back.

2. Team X takes a running back on the first day of the NFL draft.

3. Shark Pool loves the situation and talks up the positives while ignoring the warts.

Examples: Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, Chris Henry, Tony Hollings, MIchael BUsh...

 
Abraham said:
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :thumbup:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :lmao:
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It happens here every spring/summer when the following scenario takes place...1. Team X doesn't have a top-10 running back.

2. Team X takes a running back on the first day of the NFL draft.

3. Shark Pool loves the situation and talks up the positives while ignoring the warts.

Examples: Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, Chris Henry, Tony Hollings, MIchael BUsh...
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It also happens when the pro Thompson supporters loved the pick even though many experts thought it was a reach. There were many people here critical of the Jackson pick.
 
Stinger Ray said:
Abraham said:
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :rant:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :fishy:
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It happens here every spring/summer when the following scenario takes place...1. Team X doesn't have a top-10 running back.

2. Team X takes a running back on the first day of the NFL draft.

3. Shark Pool loves the situation and talks up the positives while ignoring the warts.

Examples: Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, Chris Henry, Tony Hollings, MIchael BUsh...
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It also happens when the pro Thompson supporters loved the pick even though many experts thought it was a reach. There were many people here critical of the Jackson pick.
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Almost as many as were critical of the Greg Jennings pick.
 
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Love that Jackson has 2 fumbles 0 lost in 3 years and they've had it with his fumbling.Grant has 6 fumbles 5 lost in 3 years and their happy with that
 
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Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Grant put up some fanatastic numbers a few years ago when he had a decent line in front of him. He didn't suddenly forget how to run. If you throw Choice or Jones behind this Packers line, they struggle like Rodgers and Grant have.
 
Stinger Ray said:
It also happens when the pro Thompson supporters loved the pick even though many experts thought it was a reach. There were many people here critical of the Jackson pick.
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I've never been a Thompson supporter or a fan of the Jackson pick so I'm not included on either count. :welcome:
 
JuniorNB said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Grant put up some fanatastic numbers a few years ago when he had a decent line in front of him. He didn't suddenly forget how to run. If you throw Choice or Jones behind this Packers line, they struggle like Rodgers and Grant have.
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I agree. I don't think the problem is Grant. I like him and I think he's a good RB. I'd like to see a stronger offensive line to run block (which falls on Thompson) and I'd like to see McCarthy make a more consistent effort into establishing the run.
 
JuniorNB said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.

I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Grant put up some fanatastic numbers a few years ago when he had a decent line in front of him. He didn't suddenly forget how to run. If you throw Choice or Jones behind this Packers line, they struggle like Rodgers and Grant have.
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That's absurd. It's the same line save for Barbre being in for Tauscher, and while Barbre's pass pro problems are well documented, he's actually a better run blocker than Tausch. So I find your explanation, to quote McCarthy, "convenient".
 
qimqam said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Love that Jackson has 2 fumbles 0 lost in 3 years and they've had it with his fumbling.Grant has 6 fumbles 5 lost in 3 years and their happy with that
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THANK you. When Greg Bedard was on our show this summer, he made it clear that something was going on behind the scenes regarding Grant and his rock-solid hold on the job. It boggles the mind.
 
First off, take everything Greg Bedard says or writes with a grain of salt. At best, he's the PFT of the Journal Sentinel.

Second, third stringer Deshawn Wynn is hurt. His knee injury may or may not end his season. It's more likely to me that Green or Rhodes would replace Wynn, not Jackson.

Third, while I'm not all that high on Jackson, he's been hurt all season so far. Hard to really get a good feel for where he's at now that he is healthy.

 
I'm not sure what's mind boggling about Grant's hold on the starting job. In my opinion, he's much more talented than any other RB on the roster. Jackson sucks and has always sucked and Wynn's a never-was. Grant's not a world beater but he's by far the best option on the team in my opinion.

 
qimqam said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Love that Jackson has 2 fumbles 0 lost in 3 years and they've had it with his fumbling.Grant has 6 fumbles 5 lost in 3 years and their happy with that
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Yeah, they have an equivalent number of touches over this period, so I can see why that is a good compare.
 
Aaronstory said:
JuniorNB said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.

I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Grant put up some fanatastic numbers a few years ago when he had a decent line in front of him. He didn't suddenly forget how to run. If you throw Choice or Jones behind this Packers line, they struggle like Rodgers and Grant have.
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That's absurd. It's the same line save for Barbre being in for Tauscher, and while Barbre's pass pro problems are well documented, he's actually a better run blocker than Tausch. So I find your explanation, to quote McCarthy, "convenient".
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Same line, huh? Then why does your boy, Aaron, look like a scared grade schooler back there? He's constatntly running for his life. Or have they only forgotten how to pass block, but are still quite stellar on the run? Just curious, because I haven't seen a whole lot of openings for Grant this year.
 
This is easy. Yes the offensive line is having problems BUT that doesn't change the fact that Grant doesn't look like he did two years ago.

 
mystykoekaki said:
Ahman Green and Dominic Rhodes ... c'mon why do clubs even consider these bums?
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I think the Green look is nothing more than a courtesy to get his name back into circulation. He still lives in GB and knows lots of people on the team and in the front office.Rhodes is a legit look.
 
Further proof that Bedard is full of it. From the same paper, written by an actual reporter:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/64863942.html

"But having two veterans in for workouts definitely means the team has concerns about running back DeShawn Wynn's ailing knee and whether he'll be able to make it through the season. Wynn, who did not play against Detroit Sunday, has been a very reliable blocker on third downs but hasn't had much of an opportunity to do anything else.

If Wynn goes on injured reserve, the Packers would be choosing between the two veterans and practice squad player Kregg Lumpkin. When healthy, Green has far more explosiveness than the other two, but he has been dealing with knee issues dating to 2004. His final season with the Packers, he sat out Wednesday practices the final 10 weeks of the year because of a knee problem.

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Now, Silverstein goes on to say that "The Packers can't count on Brandon Jackson to fill that role because he has been injured so much." But that does not mean he's being cut, nor does it mean 'they're sick of him'.

This reminds when Bedard 'broke' the story about Drive holding out because he didn't like his contract.

 
packersfan said:
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :thumbup:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :lmao:
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You're way off the mark there, switz. Go back and do a search. I didn't like this guy the second he was drafted and haven't liked him since. I've been very critical of Thompson for making that pick.
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Yes, I know you were one of the few ones (along with myself) that disliked the Jackson pick. But you can go back and do the research yourself and see how many people were jumping on me for saying Jackson wasn't going to pan out. You might recall the Morency, Wynn, Jackson threads before they acquired Grant.
 
I do recall those threads. I thought you were saying that I was flip-flopping on Jackson and that isn't true. I have been consistent in my dislike of him since the second he was drafted.

 
JuniorNB said:
mystykoekaki said:
Ahman Green and Dominic Rhodes ... c'mon why do clubs even consider these bums?
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:fishing: They may as well just call in Tatum Bell for a workout as long as they're reading a 2005 version of Fanatsy Football Index.
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Bell is too busy showcasing his stuff in the UFL. :lmao: Apparently Rhodes and Green must still think they can play in the NFL. Bell knows he can't. Gotta be embarrassing to go up there, show you are washed up and wait for the call confirming that you are in fact a has-been.
 
Steed said:
Ahman Green and Dominic Rhodes
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mystykoekaki said:
Ahman Green and Dominic Rhodes ... c'mon why do clubs even consider these bums?
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JuniorNB said:
mystykoekaki said:
Ahman Green and Dominic Rhodes ... c'mon why do clubs even consider these bums?
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:tinfoilhat: They may as well just call in Tatum Bell for a workout as long as they're reading a 2005 version of Fanatsy Football Index.
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I just heard from a homer that GB just signed A.Green.
 
This might be worth watching, as Grant hasn't been getting it done (his fault or the O-line?), Wynn didn't seize it, Br Jackson hasn't been able to lock it in.

What happened to K. Lumpkin?

 
Michael Fox said:
qimqam said:
Aaronstory said:
Love that they gave Jackson all of two carries and then benched him for fumbling, while Grant continues to suck something had but has a rock-solid lock on the job because, well, he's the best turd they've got.I weep when I see third string guys on teams like Dallas and NYG that put our starter to shame...
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Love that Jackson has 2 fumbles 0 lost in 3 years and they've had it with his fumbling.Grant has 6 fumbles 5 lost in 3 years and their happy with that
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Yeah, they have an equivalent number of touches over this period, so I can see why that is a good compare.
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I think ya missed the point ... He has 0 fumbles lost for his carreer. I find it hard to believe they are upset with that.
 
Abraham said:
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :lmao:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :lmao:
Click to expand...
It happens here every spring/summer when the following scenario takes place...1. Team X doesn't have a top-10 running back.

2. Team X takes a running back on the first day of the NFL draft.

3. Shark Pool loves the situation and talks up the positives while ignoring the warts.

Examples: Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, Chris Henry, Tony Hollings, MIchael BUsh...
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Well that's quite possibly because you're describing a scenario that's highly conducive to producing VERY good fantasy RB's.I'd bet if we listed all of the RB's that met your criteria above and sorted the studs from duds, we'd see there's a reason the SP is high on them every year.

 
FantasyTrader said:
Abraham said:
switz said:
packersfan said:
Sweetness_34 said:
Another wasted high pick by Ted Thompson :lmao:
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Horrendous pick. I think the only reason he's still on the team is because he was a high draft pick. He's been awful since Day 1. I'd like to see the Packers sign Rhodes. He'd be a huge upgrade over Jackson.
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How funny... this board was filled with Brandon Jackson love when he was drafted. Now everyone acts like they knew he would suck. :lmao:
Click to expand...
It happens here every spring/summer when the following scenario takes place...1. Team X doesn't have a top-10 running back.

2. Team X takes a running back on the first day of the NFL draft.

3. Shark Pool loves the situation and talks up the positives while ignoring the warts.

Examples: Julius Jones, Tatum Bell, Brandon Jackson, Chris Henry, Tony Hollings, MIchael BUsh...
Click to expand...
Well that's quite possibly because you're describing a scenario that's highly conducive to producing VERY good fantasy RB's.I'd bet if we listed all of the RB's that met your criteria above and sorted the studs from duds, we'd see there's a reason the SP is high on them every year.
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No, that's the problem. People think that's the case, but it isn't.
 
Yes it is. The reason people tend to think it's not the case is because they go back and look at a poor % on these guys, failing to account for the fact that even 1st rounder surefire LOCKS have a relatively poor hit rate. There's tons of examples of middle of the road to VERY bad rushing teams that took RB's with red-flags on Day 1 and they had very good careers.

 
[Tammy Wynette]I've thought Jackson would eventually be a serviceable starter since the Packers drafted him, and still think he's better than Grant.[/Tammy Wynette]

 
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FantasyTrader said:
Yes it is. The reason people tend to think it's not the case is because they go back and look at a poor % on these guys, failing to account for the fact that even 1st rounder surefire LOCKS have a relatively poor hit rate. There's tons of examples of middle of the road to VERY bad rushing teams that took RB's with red-flags on Day 1 and they had very good careers.
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Go back over every single 3rd round RB that went to a team weak at RB, you state it as fact, go do the work. I've been through it before, the fact is the percentage of players than pan out is VERY small.The hit rate on first round RBs is much higher than you imply, and is significantly higher than third round RBs.

 
switz said:
FantasyTrader said:
Yes it is. The reason people tend to think it's not the case is because they go back and look at a poor % on these guys, failing to account for the fact that even 1st rounder surefire LOCKS have a relatively poor hit rate. There's tons of examples of middle of the road to VERY bad rushing teams that took RB's with red-flags on Day 1 and they had very good careers.
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Go back over every single 3rd round RB that went to a team weak at RB, you state it as fact, go do the work. I've been through it before, the fact is the percentage of players than pan out is VERY small.The hit rate on first round RBs is much higher than you imply, and is significantly higher than third round RBs.
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That's okay, I'll be wrong. Too much work. Besides, I already know what happens to my reply over the next 30-40 posts in this thread. I could bring back an army of numbers and you would dissect it - to point out where a team I included wasn't really "weak at RB" and our definitions would differ on the meaning of "pan out". Definitions would be bent and twisted until we ended up right back here agreeing to disagree. As an aside, who said anything about 3rd rounders drafted by teams "weak" at RB? The original reply was regarding RB's drafted by non-top 10 RB's. That still includes some pretty good running teams.

 
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