ThePittbully
Footballguy
Does anyone have any info on how Davis is doing with his knee or thought about his value in a dynasty league?
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Domanick Davis (1 Viewer)
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supermark_28
Footballguy
i'm very interested in any info as well.. i have some salary cap available and he may be worth a flier at this point..
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Same long-term prospects as Curtis Martin.
youbetcha
Footballguy
Really, DD will be ready to go next season? It doesn't seem that Wali has the spot locked up with Samkon there, but what kind of dynasty draft pick (Zealots) value is Wali worth?
I checked the new tracker for DD -- no good info there at all on his outlook.
Any insiders have any info on DD?
Thanks
I checked the new tracker for DD -- no good info there at all on his outlook.
Any insiders have any info on DD?
Thanks
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Sorry to hijack but instead of beginning a new thread, can we expand the thoughts on this to include keeper value?
I thought about picking him up and stashing him in hopes that he might come back to start and provide a possible keeper for 2007.
I thought about picking him up and stashing him in hopes that he might come back to start and provide a possible keeper for 2007.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't think we know that yet. He has to pick up his game for sure, but Kubiak seems to like the kid. They may decide to address other needs first next year.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Homer, not "insider," that said I have not seen or heard anything new on his knee. Unfortunately, Davis is a wait and see in off-season concerning his role with the Texans. Honestly, I would even go as far as saying we really won't know until next August. Davis is probably worth stashing, but I would not spend very much to do so. Most speculation is the Texans 2007 RB is not on the roster. Of course, with 7 games left in the season Gado and Lundy should have the chance to at least stake a claim.
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Just based on production alone, I think it might be clear. Lundy has had some good games, but a lot of really bad ones. I am sure DD had bad games, but his production per game was top 10 when healthy. I don't think we have seen out of Lundy this year anything like the consistent production from DD in 2003 once he became the starter, 2004 and the first 11 games of 2005.Point being is that if DD is healthy, which is a HUGE if, DD would easily secure the spot. Lundy could still become a useful RB, especially if no one is drafted next year and DD doesn't come back healthy. IMHO based on what inexperienced RBs have done right out of the gate in the Denver system (yes I know that is Denver) and what DD did right out of the gate in Houston with the same offensive players (Carr, AJ, possibly worse OL and worse coaching), I am just not impressed with Lundy at all so far.
zamboni
Footballguy
Can't argue with you there. The door is open for Lundy, but he likely REALLY needs to pick up his game or else he'll be long-forgotten by next year. Although he may be anyway.
Grey Pilgrim
Lurker Extraordinare
This goes along with what I've been hearing too. DD's salary more than doubles next year... meaning he'd have to be back at full strength and looking very healthy for the Texans not to cut him.Word is the Texans either take a look at another FA RB, or hope they win the Adrian Peterson lottery.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I think DD's days as a starting RB are done. That being said, he was dropped in a dynasty league with huge rosters, and I picked him up and stashed him. I'm mostly hoping to trade him if/when his pre-season value gets higher.
I don't think he's a guy that Houston can rely on for next year, so it's not like he'll have a job waiting for him when he comes back.
Sidenote: What was up with Gado getting more carries than Lundy last week?
I don't think he's a guy that Houston can rely on for next year, so it's not like he'll have a job waiting for him when he comes back.
Sidenote: What was up with Gado getting more carries than Lundy last week?
For dynasty purposes, the Texans RB is a huge question mark.
Lundy and Gado still have a chance to stake a claim but neither has shown the kind of consistent ability nor have a pedigree that says longterm starter. Davis knee is a big question mark but there were rumors he had a degenerative condition and was looking at bone on bone this past offseason. If you can get him cheap in a dynasty or a keeper league he's worth using a roster spot to take a flyer on, but I wouldn't expect miracles. I haven't dropped him in two leagues, but the most likely scenario right now seems to be he won't ever see the field again.
To make matters even cloudier, those thinking the Texans are drafting Peterson will likely be very disappointed. The Texans are sitting at 3-6 and have the following teams remaining on their schedule:
Buffalo (3-6) at home
NY Jets (5-4) away
Oakland (2-7) away
Tenn (2-7) home
Pats (6-3) away
Indy (9-0) home (week 16)
Browns (3-6) home
The Texans could win 3 more games this year and would likely end up picking somewhere in the 5-15 range of the draft (if the season ended right now they would be at #7.) Peterson likely isn't going to be available that late (even if he was, they already passed on Bush.)
So the Texans are likely going to be looking at either drafting a later round RB to compete or bring in some sort of FA.
Edit: I just realised I type "likely" a lot.
Lundy and Gado still have a chance to stake a claim but neither has shown the kind of consistent ability nor have a pedigree that says longterm starter. Davis knee is a big question mark but there were rumors he had a degenerative condition and was looking at bone on bone this past offseason. If you can get him cheap in a dynasty or a keeper league he's worth using a roster spot to take a flyer on, but I wouldn't expect miracles. I haven't dropped him in two leagues, but the most likely scenario right now seems to be he won't ever see the field again.
To make matters even cloudier, those thinking the Texans are drafting Peterson will likely be very disappointed. The Texans are sitting at 3-6 and have the following teams remaining on their schedule:
Buffalo (3-6) at home
NY Jets (5-4) away
Oakland (2-7) away
Tenn (2-7) home
Pats (6-3) away
Indy (9-0) home (week 16)
Browns (3-6) home
The Texans could win 3 more games this year and would likely end up picking somewhere in the 5-15 range of the draft (if the season ended right now they would be at #7.) Peterson likely isn't going to be available that late (even if he was, they already passed on Bush.)
So the Texans are likely going to be looking at either drafting a later round RB to compete or bring in some sort of FA.
Edit: I just realised I type "likely" a lot.
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mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I'm going to say what others have only hinted at in this thread. Domanick Davis will not play another regular season down of football. His knee is torn up and bone-on-bone. There has been no news of a surgery to correct this which would indicate to me that he's done. The guy couldn't even make it through practice. His dynasty value is zero.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So why are people assuming that the Texans would take AP if they were that hight? Does anyone remember the last rookie draft?
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
C'mon Jets, now the Texans know they need a RB. They did not have an accurate appraisal of DD's condition prior to the draft. Otherwise, they would have taken Reggie. It was the off-season. Players leave the area for the most part and are not participating regularly under supervision of coaches and medical staff. Yes, the Texans will not hesitate to take AP if he's there.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think it would be first-day RB pick rather than later. The UFA pool is pretty bleak, with Mr. Durability himself, Chris Brown, leading the pack.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So you think the Texans, with the #1 overall pick, were drafting based only on need?
I disagree. If the Texans felt that Reggie Bush was the right player for the team they would have taken him. In fact, there has been substantial talk that Kubiak tried to trade up to take Maroney in the first round but couldn't find a partner. Reggie Bush simply isn't the pounding back that the Texans need. If you would have asked me 4 weeks ago what the Texans would do in the first round of next year's draft you would have instantly heard DB. But, in the past 6 weeks the Texans' defense has been 5th in points and yards allowed. With Lundy's streaky performance this could make it very possible for the Kubiak and Smith to draft a RB with their first pick. With Buffalo, NYJ, Oakland, Tennessee, and Cleveland ahead it is highly doubtful Houston will be in a place to grab Peterson but I wouldn't be suprised to see Lynch or Hart end up in Houston.
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Jack Flush
Footballguy
I agree. And furthermore, Gary Kubiak seems to possess some of the same kind of confidence Mike Shanahan has in his ability to find a capable running back without spending a high draft choice or big free agent dollars on one. And with the Texans' glaring needs in the defensive backfield, at linebacker and in the offensive line, it remains very doubtful that running back will be a priority next offseason. Lundy and Gado will be given every opportunity to earn the starting job. It's likely that the Texans will spend a mid-to-late round draft choice on a running back to compete with what's already in place, along with the wildcard that is Domanick Davis.
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I agree a lot with your 2nd paragraph. Some mock drafters have been saying Hart would be a perfect fit for Denver. If so, he's a perfect fit for the Texans as well and likely would be a cheap pick (projected 3rd rounder right now I think.) The Texans need help at DB, CB, Dline, Oline, so I think they'll address one of those spots in the 1st round and grab someone else at RB later. A guy like Irons, M.Bush, Lynch or Hart could easily be there in the 2nd round or later for the Texans.
I think that is highly dependent on what the Texans think they can do in FA. If they could grab Samuels or Clement I think they would be safe in taking a 1st or 2nd round RB (is Hart going to make it to the 2nd?) As they have shown, quality OL is easy to find in the later rounds and the running game is pathetic.With needs at CB, DT, FS, OLB, OL, and RB there are tons of possibilities. I guess it just depends on what happens in FA and who is available where.
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toppshelff
Footballguy
Getting a RB at #5-#15 would be a lot cheaper than getting Bush at #1. Lots of reasons that Houston went a different direction last year. Lots of reasons that they may go RB this year.
zamboni
Footballguy
True, plus Davis is not Kubiak's guy, but a holdover. Even if the coach has faith in DD, I don't see how he'd hitch is wagon to him. Especially when the free agency period and draft are a mere 4-5 months away.
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Why do the texans need Dom Davis now that they have Reggie Bush.....oh wait 
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
What I'm saying is simply that the Texans did not foresee Davis not playing this year otherwise they would have reevaluated their draft strategy.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
That's exactly my point. They felt Davis would be fine so they did not take Reggie. Had they knows DD would not play I think they would have taken him.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yes - and I'm saying that when NFL teams draft that high, the "draft strategy" is to take the best player available. I know that people in the fantasy community are having a hard time still believing that Houston thought Mario Williams was a better player than Reggie Bush, but that's the truth. If Houston thought Bush was the best player in the draft, it wouldn't have mattered what the latest MRI on Dom Davis said - you don't draft need, you draft talent.Case and point - New Orleans Saints.mightyeskimo said:
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Ohhh I see. You were in Houston's draft room. THAT makes sense now, sorry I questioned you.mightyeskimo said:
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Dude, neither you nor I have been in any NFL draft room so we are both stating opinions, not facts. You know this, so don't make childish comments that make you look ####. We both have different opinions. Deal with it.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Sounds a lot like you're stating fact, not opinion, don't you think?
And your "opinion" is that teams with top 5 picks draft based on positional need. That's just wrong.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
And that's your opinion. You don't know this any more than anyone else so get over yourself.
videoguy505
Footballguy
My opinion is the Texans prefer to have a contract in place before they draft someone in the first round. They did with Carr and they did with Mario W. They didn't get an agreement in place with Bush the day before the draft, and Mario was willing to sign on the line.Since camp holdouts have been such an issue for other teams, it's my opinion the Texans want to avoid that.
