DeShaun vs DeAngelo in 2007 (1 Viewer)

i think that DeShaun was succefully Debunked this year but the better question is how this situation will play out in 2007..

I think we can all agree that DeShaun cannot get it done as the featured back.. He has a number of excuses including: injuries, goalline vultures, bad play-calling, bad offensive line, global warming, lack of playing time, bad QB play, the ultra talented Stephen Davis etc. etc. but at the end of the day I think we will all agree that a guy who has been in the league for 5 years with numerous opportunities is what he is..

DeShaun's numbers:

2002: Injured all year (hurt for 16 games)

2003: 113/429/0 plus 26/207/2 (hurt for 2 games)

2004: 59/255/2 plus 9/76/0 (hurt for 12 games)

2005: 205/879/2 plus 34/372/1 (hurt for 1 game)

2006: 208/818/2 plus 29/147/0 (hurt for 2 games)

in a 5 year career he has missed 33 out of a possible 80 games.. has never had 1000 yards, has never had more than 3 TD's in a season. Has only 6 rushing TD's in his entire career, has 2 nice runs in the playoffs and has been outplayed by DeAngelo this year..

I think that 2007 will be the season that DeAngelo establishes himself.

lets look at how they faired this year

Deshuan: 208/818/2 3.9 ypc plus 29/147/0 5.1 ypr (hurt for 2 games)

DeAngelo: 112/494/1 4.4 ypc plus 27/261/1 9.7 ypr (hurt for 3 games)

in 247 touches.. DeShaun has 965 yards and 2 TD's

in 139 touches.. DeAngelo has 755 yards and 2 TD's

I know that DeShaun is signed for a few years but his cap-hit #'s aren't crazy scary.. i think he would serve well as the Panthers change-of-pace back next year and see DeAngelo taking the lead-roll as the Panthers desperately need another play-maker on the field along with SS..

I think that if you give DeAngelo the bulk of the carries next year.. you could be looking at 1200 yards rushing, 450 yards receiving and 7 total TD's.. This offense allows for a running back who can be top 10 in fantasy.. DeAngelo might very well be that backack

From PFW's Whispers---

We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.

Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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My buddy is a Carolina homer and told me the Panthers are not pleased with any of their RBs. Look for the Panthers to draft a RB or take a stab at Turner the burner.

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---

We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.

Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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In related news we hear that neither Jack Delhomme nor Chris Weinke is the long-term answer at qb given that the Panthers rushed about 50 times the following week and passed only about 10

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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This past week DeAngelo lined up as the QB and took the direct snap at least 10 times.

lod2005 said:

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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This past week DeAngelo lined up as the QB and took the direct snap at least 10 times.

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So does this mean that next year DeA is the qb (ala Vick) and DeS is the "rb"?

The bigger problem is their O-line is just brutal...which I guess shows how bad the Atlanta D-line is. Neither of these guys will excel until they fix that problem, though Williams is better than Foster.

Oh and there is no way they are spending an early round pick on a RB...OL, LB, and S are much bigger needs.

It seems Carolina is slow to make changes at RB. I remember a few years ago...Steven Davis got almost the bulk of the workload but only averaged a measy 2-3 yds per carry. Foster would get like 5 or so carries each game but average close to 5 yds per carry. I never understood why they didn't work Foster into the game more or take over starting duties all together. I kinda thought the same thing this season. Williams looked like the more explosive RB option but Carolina would not work him into the game more than I thought they should. Who knows what is in store for next season. They need a better run blocking O-line...that is a definite.

Warpig said:

lod2005 said:

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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This past week DeAngelo lined up as the QB and took the direct snap at least 10 times.

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So does this mean that next year DeA is the qb (ala Vick) and DeS is the "rb"?

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No they were simply doing it to get Williams to the corner quickly. They did it exclusively on 3rd down and almost exclusively to the outside going almost exclusively at Abraham. It was a one off thing since Weinke was doing a bad impersonation of Drew Bledsoe.

I had no clue they were down on williams so much, whats so wrong with him

DeRBBC.

redman said:

DeRBBC.

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Could be, although I really think Williams can emerge as the starting and a legit fantasy back. I don't understand that the organization could possibly be so down on Williams that they are looking for another franchise back. They spent an early pick on him and you have to expect that he'll get a shot.I also agree that the offense as a whole, particularly the offensive line, needs help. My guess as a non-homer would be that they have a camp battle between these two, maybe also bring in a budget free agent for depth, and let them have it out. Williams emerges as the starting back and puts up numbers along the lines Righetti is projecting above. There is a lot of uncertainty here, but I think you have to put your money on Williams of all their current options. He could be a very nice value play this offseason.

One other point should be mentioned...if they fail to make the playoffs, Henning, their OC who is responisble for much of the RB value, is most likely going to "retire".

Smiff and others are grumbling over not getting the ball during this slide and they have a point. Henning also seems to do better with a bruising runner which neither of the DeRBBC are. It was only this week that he found ways to get them to the edge.

mozzy84 said:

I had no clue they were down on williams so much, whats so wrong with him

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Rumor is he sucks in pass protection, but I don't know.

They knew what they were getting in DeAngelo. I don't see how they can say he isn't the type of rb they want. if they wanted a between the tackles downhill type runner, why didn't they draft Lendale White?

The Man With No Name said:

why didn't they draft Lendale White?

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Because he's fat and slow?

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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I read this too and just dismissed it. I find it hard to believe the Panthers would have any legit negative feelings about a rookie RB who produces 750 yards in very limited play.

BigJim® said:

jeter23 said:

From PFW's Whispers---We hear a clear sign that neither DeShaun Foster nor rookie DeAngelo Williams is the long-term answer at running back for the Panthers is how quickly the team gave up on the running game in Week 14 and allowed backup QB Chris Weinke to throw the ball 61 times. Sources tell us the Panthers will be in the market for a downhill, between-the-tackles runner in the offseason.Personlly, I don't believe this and I think next year will look very much like this season did as far as how the RB are used.

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I read this too and just dismissed it. I find it hard to believe the Panthers would have any legit negative feelings about a rookie RB who produces 750 yards in very limited play.

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That's what Carolina averaged per rush from 2003 to 2006. If they want a better running game why don't they upgrade their O-line?

Mungo Burrows said:

mozzy84 said:

I had no clue they were down on williams so much, whats so wrong with him

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Rumor is he sucks in pass protection, but I don't know.

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Pass protection is something that can be corrected through coaching. He's certainly young enough and talented enough to spend the time trying.

Righetti said:

i think that DeShaun was succefully Debunked this year but the better question is how this situation will play out in 2007..I think we can all agree that DeShaun cannot get it done as the featured back.. He has a number of excuses including: injuries, goalline vultures, bad play-calling, bad offensive line, global warming, lack of playing time, bad QB play, the ultra talented Stephen Davis etc. etc. but at the end of the day I think we will all agree that a guy who has been in the league for 5 years with numerous opportunities is what he is..

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It's ironic that you'd say that, given Stephen Davis only found success in his 4th year. Lamont Jordan is another guy who after five years in the league only has one good statistical (i.e. fantasy) season under his belt. The Carolina offense really fell apart this year in ways nobody envisioned. Jake Delhomme has lost a yard and a half off of his YPA and dropped 10 points in QB rating. Foster lost .4 of a yard per carry, to drop under 4 for the first time in his career. This despite adding Keyshawn Johnson and DeAngelo Williams. I say it's the O-line. I don't think the skill position guys forgot how to play.

Otis said:

Williams emerges as the starting back and puts up numbers along the lines Righetti is projecting above. There is a lot of uncertainty here, but I think you have to put your money on Williams of all their current options. He could be a very nice value play this offseason.

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totally agree. watching the Shark Pool's dynasty polls, and i don't think Williams is in the top 20 (or something close). a great value pick in 07, a la Gore in 06.

oso diablo said:

Otis said:

Williams emerges as the starting back and puts up numbers along the lines Righetti is projecting above. There is a lot of uncertainty here, but I think you have to put your money on Williams of all their current options. He could be a very nice value play this offseason.

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totally agree. watching the Shark Pool's dynasty polls, and i don't think Williams is in the top 20 (or something close). a great value pick in 07, a la Gore in 06.

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To clarify my position, I think he could be a nice value pick, but nowhere near on the order of Frank Gore.