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Steal of the (Fantasy) Draft: Deuce McAllister (1 Viewer)

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Devil in the Detail

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Deuce is one guy that I think is being taken way too late in drafts. It was reasonable to speculate about his place a month ago, but he is now playing in preseason games and looks healthy. Deuce has come back from serious knee injuries before, including during the 2006 season when he played a tandem role with Reggie Bush and still finished as the #13 fantasy RB. There is no real info suggesting that Deuce won't have the same defined role as he did in '06 and '07. Now that he looks healthy, that is a role with a relatively high ceiling and a relatively low floor given NO's offense.

Deuce is being taken at like RB 50-60. He's fairly likely to finish in the top 30. Crazy.

 
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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Let's look at Deuce's checklistAdvanced Age: Check (He's 30)ACL Repair Left Knee: CheckACL Repair Right Knee: CheckMicrofracture knee surgery: CheckAll of these surgeries within the past 3 years: CheckTwo of these surgeries occurring within the past 12 months: Check (ACL on one side, microfracture on the other)No thanks. I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
 
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whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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Let's look at Deuce's checklistAdvanced Age: Check (He's 30)ACL Repair Left Knee: CheckACL Repair Right Knee: CheckMicrofracture knee surgery: CheckAll of these surgeries within the past 3 years: CheckTwo of these surgeries occurring within the past 12 months: Check (ACL on one side, microfracture on the other)No thanks. I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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This thread is about the 29 year old McAllister...
 
I wouldn't say he's fairly likely to finish top 30. I think he's a "steal" if you want to have someone on your roster that you look at and feel good about him taking up a spot. But I can't envision a time when an owner in a 12-team league feels good about starting him, even on a bye week. As long as you never have to play him, he could be a steal. :shrug:

I think Chester Taylor, by comparison, is a bona fide steal in many leagues. He's a guy who should put up RB3 numbers consistently, and if an injury happens (to a guy who has an injury history) he can put up top RB1 numbers. I don't see McAllister ever putting up any kind of RB1 (or even decent RB2 numbers) no matter who gets hurt.

It's true that McAllister is going WAY later than Chester, But a steal (to me) is a guy who, in the right circumstances, is startable and you feel good about it. Unless it's a huge league I don't see that ever happening with McAllister. He's just a "name" guy who's in the mix on a team and nobody wants. The risk is minimal but the reward isn't far ahead of that imo.

 
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whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
 
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Stecker?
 
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson? What are you smoking son?
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
I wouldn't say he's fairly likely to finish top 30. I think he's a "steal" if you want to have someone on your roster that you look at and feel good about him taking up a spot. But I can't envision a time when an owner in a 12-team league feels good about starting him, even on a bye week. As long as you never have to play him, he could be a steal. :rolleyes: I think Chester Taylor, by comparison, is a bona fide steal in many leagues. He's a guy who should put up RB3 numbers consistently, and if an injury happens (to a guy who has an injury history) he can put up top RB1 numbers. I don't see McAllister ever putting up any kind of RB1 (or even decent RB2 numbers) no matter who gets hurt.It's true that McAllister is going WAY later than Chester, But a steal (to me) is a guy who, in the right circumstances, is startable and you feel good about it. Unless it's a huge league I don't see that ever happening with McAllister. He's just a "name" guy who's in the mix on a team and nobody wants. The risk is minimal but the reward isn't far ahead of that imo.
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In a nearly identical situation, Deuce put up top 13 RB numbers in '06. I'd feel good about starting him if that was the case again. I'm not saying it definitely will be, but it certainly is a reasonable upside.
 
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson?
 
Depends what and where you read about the depth chart. Everything I have been reading is that Thomas is the #3 RB in NO. However the "official" depth chart on the NO website lists Stecker.

Thomas did well when Bush went down. I think they will give him the nod again.

 
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson? What are you smoking son?
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Sorry, meant Stecker. Thomas is still behind Stecker.
 
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson? What are you smoking son?
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:lmao:
 
Ok, for the Deuce doubters, hypothetically:

IF Deuce does stay healthy all season and has a similar complementary role to Bush to the one he did in '06 and '07, what kind of numbers do you see him putting up? Top 30 RB? Top 20?

And, if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?

 
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SugarNuts said:
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson?
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Kenny got traded? This is H-U-G-E!!!!!!!
 
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Now that he looks healthy
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I'll take my chances with Pierre Thomas this year but you can have Deuce. There is simply no way given his age that he lasts a full year. And if he does it will only be because the Saints use him only a handful of times each game.
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Pierre Thomas only played last year once Deuce and Watson went down. He's still behind Watson on the depth chart now. Watson is behind Deuce.
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Watson? What are you smoking son?
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Sorry, meant Stecker. Thomas is still behind Stecker.
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Are you the same guy who was pimping Parker because Roethlisberger wouldn't be throwing to Dallas Clark in the red zone as much this year?
 
Devil in the Detail said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
I wouldn't say he's fairly likely to finish top 30. I think he's a "steal" if you want to have someone on your roster that you look at and feel good about him taking up a spot. But I can't envision a time when an owner in a 12-team league feels good about starting him, even on a bye week. As long as you never have to play him, he could be a steal. :kicksrock: I think Chester Taylor, by comparison, is a bona fide steal in many leagues. He's a guy who should put up RB3 numbers consistently, and if an injury happens (to a guy who has an injury history) he can put up top RB1 numbers. I don't see McAllister ever putting up any kind of RB1 (or even decent RB2 numbers) no matter who gets hurt.It's true that McAllister is going WAY later than Chester, But a steal (to me) is a guy who, in the right circumstances, is startable and you feel good about it. Unless it's a huge league I don't see that ever happening with McAllister. He's just a "name" guy who's in the mix on a team and nobody wants. The risk is minimal but the reward isn't far ahead of that imo.
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In a nearly identical situation, Deuce put up top 13 RB numbers in '06. I'd feel good about starting him if that was the case again. I'm not saying it definitely will be, but it certainly is a reasonable upside.
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And in 2007 I'd have taken Shaun Alexander's 2005 numbers as well. Unfortunately, two years is a lifetime for a position with a short shelf-life like RB. Deuce is coming off injury, is older and is not the main runner on a pass-happy team. I'm sure at the end of a draft I'd feel good about taking him and getting "value," but when I actually think about it I'd never want to play him. I just don't have any confidence that he'll do anything at this stage. Maybe he'll prove me wrong.
 
I got him in the 18th. I don't really expect all that much but on the off chance he recovers as well as he did in 06 it's worth the pick.

 
Devil in the Detail said:
Ok, for the Deuce doubters, hypothetically:IF Deuce does stay healthy all season and has a similar complementary role to Bush to the one he did in '06 and '07, what kind of numbers do you see him putting up? Top 30 RB? Top 20?And, if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?
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Bush, Stecker, Thomas.Why not use them also? Especially Thomas towards the end of the regular season.You also take the risk in Duece being flatly outperformed by the others when given the chance.And that risk applies to all of four of them.
 
BigSteelThrill said:
Bush, Stecker, Thomas.
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If Deuce is healthy and shows he can play (as he did in 06), he's by far the best RB on the roster and Stecker/Thomas are riding pine.Obviously, there's no way to know for sure until the bullets start flying, but for 4 carries he looked like the same old Deuce against the Texans last week.
 
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Devil in the Detail said:
Ok, for the Deuce doubters, hypothetically:IF Deuce does stay healthy all season and has a similar complementary role to Bush to the one he did in '06 and '07, what kind of numbers do you see him putting up? Top 30 RB? Top 20?And, if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?
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Top 30 RBs last yearLT 28Westbrook 28ADP <25Portis 26Addai <25Lewis 28Barber <25McGahee 26Gore <25Edge 29Graham 27Lynch <25MJD <25S Jackson <25lendale <25FWP 27Grant 25Fred T 32Watson (bengals version not the saints) 29Jacobs <25Chesticles 28TJ 29 Fargas 27Bush <25Maroney <25Foster 27R Brown <25KJ <25Dayne 29Dunn 32I count 6 guys 29 + on that list, how many came off major knee surgery from the year before? What do you honestly think the chances of a guy who is 29+ and coming off major knee surgery are looking at this list?
 
I make it a hard fast rule never to draft anyone playing the next year after an ACL injury. I will wait 2 yrs before I draft that player. That being said, I would draft him if he is there in the 15th round as my #4 or #5 RB then that could be value. Thats just my opinion

 
Afro Samurai said:
BigSteelThrill said:
I disagree. Its '08. Pierre > Deuce.
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I like Pierre, but give me a break. He's not half the player a healthy Deuce is.
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You dont even know if he is healthy. If he can remain healthy.Or if he has recovered to be what he once was.In round 13... I'll be saying Pierres name and letting Deuce float on by.Today is '08 and Pierre > Deuce in '08. No breaks allowed.
 
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Abraham said:
I remain cautious but think he can certainly outproduce his ADP.
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Outproducing his ADP is one thing, you needing to plug him into your starting lineup is another. I can field a team with 8 guys that outproduce their ADP and still only score 60 points in a weekend and get my ### kicked.
 
Devil in the Detail said:
Afro Samurai said:
BigSteelThrill said:
I disagree. Its '08. Pierre > Deuce.
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I like Pierre, but give me a break. He's not half the player a healthy Deuce is.
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Agreed. According to the depth chart maintained by the team, Pierre is currently the fourth string RB. To equate his potential with that of a healthy Deuce is folly.
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And according to a number of very well respected websites (including FBGs) that follow press clippings, coaches statements and pre-season news Pierre is #3 behind two-knees McAllister.Does anyone know if the Saints have even updated their depth chart?
 
whodeywhodey said:
Devil in the Detail said:
Afro Samurai said:
BigSteelThrill said:
I disagree. Its '08. Pierre > Deuce.
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I like Pierre, but give me a break. He's not half the player a healthy Deuce is.
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Agreed. According to the depth chart maintained by the team, Pierre is currently the fourth string RB. To equate his potential with that of a healthy Deuce is folly.
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And according to a number of very well respected websites (including FBGs) that follow press clippings, coaches statements and pre-season news Pierre is #3 behind two-knees McAllister.Does anyone know if the Saints have even updated their depth chart?
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I believe the depth chart was updated a couple of days ago. Stecker is also ahead of Thomas on the depth chart on the NOLA newspaper's website. Also, Stecker got into the game before Thomas in the last preseason game.
 
BigSteelThrill said:
You dont even know if he is healthy. If he can remain healthy.

Or if he has recovered to be what he once was.
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Please read the original question again:Ok, for the Deuce doubters, hypothetically:

IF Deuce does stay healthy all season and has a similar complementary role to Bush to the one he did in '06 and '07, what kind of numbers do you see him putting up? Top 30 RB? Top 20?

And, if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?

 
Afro Samurai said:
whodeywhodey said:
Afro Samurai said:
BigSteelThrill said:
I disagree. Its '08. Pierre > Deuce.
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I like Pierre, but give me a break. He's not half the player a healthy Deuce is was in 2003 before all his knee operations.
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Fixed.
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Explain 2006, then.
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Wasn't that 3 surgeries ago???I hate to keep beating a dead horse but I just can't get too excited over a 30 year old coming off double knee surgery including an ACL repair.

 
whodeywhodey said:
Wasn't that 3 surgeries ago???I hate to keep beating a dead horse but I just can't get too excited over a 30 year old coming off double knee surgery including an ACL repair.
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You're assuming he's finished. I wouldn't make that assumption, for two reasons:A. He's looked good in preseason and TC. B. He's shown a propensity for coming back from these things and being able to perform.If you want to write him off, go ahead. But don't be shocked if he gets 10-12 carries a game while Thomas and Stecker collect splinters.
 
Afro Samurai said:
whodeywhodey said:
Wasn't that 3 surgeries ago???I hate to keep beating a dead horse but I just can't get too excited over a 30 year old coming off double knee surgery including an ACL repair.
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You're assuming he's finished. I wouldn't make that assumption, for two reasons:A. He's looked good in preseason and TC. B. He's shown a propensity for coming back from these things and being able to perform.If you want to write him off, go ahead. But don't be shocked if he gets 10-12 carries a game while Thomas and Stecker collect splinters.
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Answer me this --- I'd be interested to know the answer. Has there ever been a RB in the top 30 the year after an ACL repair? I honestly don't know the answer.
 
Afro Samurai said:
BigSteelThrill said:
You dont even know if he is healthy. If he can remain healthy.

Or if he has recovered to be what he once was.
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Please read the original question again:Ok, for the Deuce doubters, hypothetically:

IF Deuce does stay healthy all season and has a similar complementary role to Bush to the one he did in '06 and '07, what kind of numbers do you see him putting up? Top 30 RB? Top 20?

And, if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?
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Sure it coud happen and he could provide solid returns and be an absoute steal.But I answered the original... if you don't see him in the top 30 if healthy, why not?... with three names.

 
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To you. Not to me.
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So you think, that if Deuce is fully healthy and recovered (as he was in 06), that Thomas and Stecker will steal a significant amount of carries from him?I find that hard to believe. I'm not a huge fan of Sean Payton, but he's certainly not THAT stupid.
 
:moneybag:

It's like talking to a brick wall. Tell you what:

I bet you a thousand dollars that if Deuce is healthy, he produces more than Pierre Thomas this season. Straight up, no conditions other than Deuce being healthy.

 
Afro Samurai said:
:lmao: It's like talking to a brick wall. Tell you what:I bet you a thousand dollars that if Deuce is healthy, he produces more than Pierre Thomas this season. Straight up, no conditions other than Deuce being healthy.
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Who's going to take that bet? It seems to me the Deuce detractors are the ones saying he won't be healthy this season. :lmao:
 
Anyone know why Deuce was carrying the load last night in the final preseason game when every other meaningful player was sitting?

 
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