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Antonio Gates: what he's doing to improve (1 Viewer)

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Gates gets defensive

Wednesday, May 03, 2006

by Casey Pearce , Chargers.com

In attempt to cover all of his bases this offseason, Chargers tight end Antonio Gates is getting defensive.

Gates is spending an extensive amount time with Chargers secondary coach Brian Stewart in hopes of gaining a better understanding of defenses. Stewart is taking Gates through an in-depth study of defensive coverages and teaching him how to recognize how opponents are trying to cover him.

“I’m entering my fourth year in this league and I feel like there’s so much more I have to learn about the game,” Gates said. “I approached Brian and asked him to share some of his knowledge with me. He’s been a lot of help.”

Gates is coming off a year in which he led all NFL tight ends in receptions (89), receiving yards (1,101) and touchdowns (10). He believes that getting into the minds of those trying to cover him will help him get even better.

“I want to be able to think like a defensive player,” Gates said. “When we’re in a game, defensive guys are calling out a lot of things that they recognize. I want to get a better understanding of what they’re looking at and what they’re taught to do. It would make my job easier.”

Gates believes that working with Stewart is paying dividends. As he studies film, the All Pro is recognizing more and more little things that he thinks will help him find creases in defenses.

“It’s not like I didn’t know what I was looking at before, but I’m getting a lot more confident,” Gates said. “When I know certain coverages and I can read where a team is playing, I can figure out where my man has help coming from. That allows me to know how he’s going to play me. You want to understand situations. It’s been very beneficial and I can’t wait to apply it to games this fall.”

The Detroit native is also getting a head start studying the Chargers’ 2006 opponents. He hopes to get a feel for what certain defenders like to do in the situations that he’s studying.

“Even when you figure out what coverage they’re playing, there are still guys who are going to gamble and take chances,” Gates said. “I’m trying to identify some of those guys so I’ll know who won’t necessarily be playing you by the book. I’m just trying to learn everything that I can.”

In addition to growing mentally, Gates is also focused on making strides physically. He’s been a regular in the weight room throughout the team’s offseason conditioning program and hopes to benefit from a little added strength.

“I’ve proven that I can catch the football, but being a complete tight end and a complete player is about more than that,” Gates said. “I want to be a great blocker. People don’t realize how difficult it is to block a 270-pound defensive end. I hope that the work I put in this offseason will just help me get better in every area of my game.”

“I’m proud of what I’ve been able to accomplish, but you can’t ever believe that you’ve arrived,” Gates said. “I’m always trying to find ways to get better. I really believe that my time spent studying the game is going to help me do that.”

 
Too bad his QB will not be able to recognize the defenses leading to him being left open but his QB on his ### or the ball on the ground somewhere else or worse, the ball in a defender's hands

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Too bad his QB will not be able to recognize the defenses leading to him being left open but his QB on his ### or the ball on the ground somewhere else or worse, the ball in a defender's hands

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Yeah... Rivers has never looked at any tape or even played in a football game of any type. Jeez... some of you guys are ridiculously reactionary.
 
Hopefully he and Rivers get in a good groove early in the season, which could mean even bigger numbers for Gates this season.

 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

 
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Too bad his QB will not be able to recognize the defenses leading to him being left open but his QB on his ### or the ball on the ground somewhere else or worse, the ball in a defender's hands

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Yeah... Rivers has never looked at any tape or even played in a football game of any type. Jeez... some of you guys are ridiculously reactionary.
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:confused: how is that reactionary? it's not going out on a limb to say that Rivers will struggle in this,his first season as a starting QB..look, Palmer struggled in his first year as a starter,despite the fact that he sat for a full season to learn the offense...Big Ben is the exception to the rule,but generally speaking, qb's will struggle in their first year as a starter..

 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

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I agree that Cooley will be a great value this year, but thinking he'll have the same production as Gates is a bit of a stretch.
 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

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That's a risky proposition IMO for redraft and for sure in dynasty. Often, new QB's find themselves looking down a shorter field to pass quicker. That usually means more passes to the TE and RB. The players most effected by Rivers will be McCardell and Parker.
 
Too bad his QB will not be able to recognize the defenses leading to him being left open but his QB on his ### or the ball on the ground somewhere else or worse, the ball in a defender's hands

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Yeah... Rivers has never looked at any tape or even played in a football game of any type. Jeez... some of you guys are ridiculously reactionary.
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:confused: how is that reactionary? it's not going out on a limb to say that Rivers will struggle in this,his first season as a starting QB..look, Palmer struggled in his first year as a starter,despite the fact that he sat for a full season to learn the offense...Big Ben is the exception to the rule,but generally speaking, qb's will struggle in their first year as a starter..

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You don't think its a reactionary statement to claim that the only possible outcomes of a play involving Rivers are an incompletion, a sack, or an interception? Wow... what planet are you guys living on? Roethlisberger is not the only first-time QB who has experienced at least reasonable success.
 
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I think a lot of people have never seen Rivers play.

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All the more reason not to be bullish on Gates...Rivers has a learning curve to fight through. I'm not going to spend a second round pick on a TE whose got a QB fighting through a learning curve..."not gonna do it" :GW:

 
Too bad his QB will not be able to recognize the defenses leading to him being left open but his QB on his ### or the ball on the ground somewhere else or worse, the ball in a defender's hands

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Yeah... Rivers has never looked at any tape or even played in a football game of any type. Jeez... some of you guys are ridiculously reactionary.
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:confused: how is that reactionary? it's not going out on a limb to say that Rivers will struggle in this,his first season as a starting QB..look, Palmer struggled in his first year as a starter,despite the fact that he sat for a full season to learn the offense...Big Ben is the exception to the rule,but generally speaking, qb's will struggle in their first year as a starter..

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Actually Big Ben was not the exception either. Sure he won, but from a FF perspective he sucked his first year. Look at Hines Ward's #s when Ben was a rookie....atrocious compared to his baseline.No, I am not saying Rivers will not make some completions to Gates, but the facts are they will not be in the redzone as much as last year, Rivers will not be able to sustain as many drives as Brees could and Rivers will make bonehead ints and take bonehead sacks that will kill drives/turn the ball over. Gates will definitely be overvalued after last year and it is best to go late with a TE this year. There are way too many TEs who will all be bunched up this year.

Gates, Gonzo, Heap (better QB depth this year with Mcnair), Crumpler, Shockey, Witten (better OL means he has to block less this year, Fasano is a blocker on the other side and with TO there, the seams will be open for Witten), Ben Watson (less quality WRs in NE and Brady will find this guy more than even last year), Heath Miller (no Bettis for rush TDs means more passes in red zone), Chris Cooley, Jeremy Stevens, Kellen Winslow II, Vernon Davis, Miami's TE (forget his name), Bubba Franks (Brett has to throw to someone in the redzone), Colts TE (forget hs name too - with Edge gone, more throwing in red zone)

Why would you not wait for a TE this year with the ? marks to Gates with Rivers??

And mind you, I drafted Gates in the 3rd round in all 3 of my redrafts last year and won them all. But I am not blind and do not fall in love based off simply the preiovus years production. I will let someone else make that mistake.

 
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Rivers will not be able to sustain as many drives as Brees could and Rivers will make bonehead ints and take bonehead sacks that will kill drives/turn the ball over.

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Has Rivers ever made a bonehead play in his life?Regarding his college career, I've only seen highlights. So I discount those. I'm familiar with his gaudy stats and his fantastic reputation at NC State, but what I'm about to say is based solely on his performance so far as a pro.

From his preseason performances, you can see that he's got a stronger arm and a quicker release than Brees, but that's about all you can tell. The ability to read defenses or find an open receiver typically means nothing in preseason. Rivers has done fine with those things in preseason, but so did Ryan Leaf, so I completely discount that.

So let's focus on Rivers' performance in last year's Bronco game in Week 17 of the season. Brees got hurt in the second quarter and Rivers played the rest of the game. The Broncos' defense has had the Chargers' number for the past few seasons. They blitz a lot, and the Chargers always struggle against it. The same was true in the Week 17 game in the first half. Brees couldn't get anything going, and the offense basically did nothing good.

When Rivers came in, it started to rain, so Rivers had the same disadvantage of having to face the tough Bronco defense, but also had to deal with bad weather.

But the team under Rivers was able to move the ball. Just like in the preseason, Rivers again showed that he had a stronger arm and a quicker release than Brees. But this time his reads counted for something as well. The Broncos continued to blitz, and Rivers did a much better job of beating the blitz than Brees did. He made quick reads, found his hot receiver, and hurt the Broncos. He did have one terrible throw to Gates when he rolled to the right and tried to throw back to the left. But for the most part, he saw the whole field, went to his second or third receiver a few times, and delivered the ball accurately and on time.

You guys know I'm a Charger fan and I want Rivers to succeed. So if you think I'm seeing what I want to see rather than what's actually there, feel free to discount my analysis. But I think I'm pretty good at seeing what's actually there, and you can check my analysis of Charger players from previous years to see that I've always been objective, and have never had inflated expectations.

Based on what I've seen of Rivers -- which is admittedly somewhat limited, but it's enough to see the quick release, the accuracy, and the ability to make quick, accurate reads -- I do not expect him to "make bonehead ints and take bonehead sacks that will kill drives/turn the ball over."

I genuinely predict that Rivers will play better in 2006 than Brees played in 2005. It is not shtick. It is what I think will happen. I think Rivers is the better QB, and is in the perfect position to succeed immediately (with Tomlinson and Gates to lean on).

 
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When Rivers came in, it started to rain, so Rivers had the same disadvantage of having to face the tough Bronco defense, but also had to deal with bad weather.

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Add to that the fact that the Chargers were already way behind in the game, so the Denver defense had the advantage of focusing on the passing game.
 
the facts are they will not be in the redzone as much as last year, Rivers will not be able to sustain as many drives as Brees could

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I think you have the word "facts" confused with "foundless predictions." Yes, what you say may very well turn out to be true, but until it ACTUALLY happens, it cannot be considered a fact.
 
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When Denver played against Rivers, they had prepared for Brees, not for Rivers. In the NFL, once teams see some real regular season game tape on a player, they can quickly identify the weaknesses and expose them. Trust me, NFL defensive coordinators will make Rivers look average in his 1st year. Forget him being as good as the 2005 Brees, that is not going to happen. No way, no how

 
lower gates in your TE number projections, even if you keep him #1. Phil Rivers is not going to put up Brees numbers. To say he will is homerism.

 
I wonder what Rivers ADP will be. I see value here.

The Chargers have one Vincent Jackson who may be emerging as another weapon in the passing game as well.

I recall people being very negative about Drew Brees also. But LT is a deadly safety valve for any Qb to exploit. Then Gates. This diversified passing attack really challenges defensive backs because most teams know they cannot cover these 2 with thier linebackers.

I don't think Rivers has to be the second coming of Marino to take advantage of his situation. And single coverage to his Wrs will be very common.

Perhaps people think Brees is a very good Qb. Personaly I think he is adequate as a Qb but has been in a advantegous situation. I will not be suprised if Rivers is capable of taking advantage of the same situation.

That is unless you think Rivers is below average as a Qb. Then the SD passing game may struggle as a result of this. I have not read anything about Rivers other than his side arm delivery to think that he is suspect.

Now as far as Gates production I can see an argument for Rivers having greater arm strength than Brees has and therefore better able to get the ball out to his Wrs. And if that is the case Gates may see his targets drop slightly. As defenders are focusing so much on stopping him and providing Rivers more attractive targets outside.

 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

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I genuinely predict that Rivers will play better in 2006 than Brees played in 2005.

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:eek: :blackdot: If you're right, Rivers is the SOD in just about every fantasy draft thus far.

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You said Chris Cooley would out produce Antonio Gates... I am more suprised by your comments than Maurile's. :football:
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that's not what I said
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Even saying Cooley putting up the same numbers is suspect to me. No TE has ever had two years like Gates the guy is incredible and will always be a safety valve to any QB starting in SD.
 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

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I genuinely predict that Rivers will play better in 2006 than Brees played in 2005.

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:eek: :blackdot: If you're right, Rivers is the SOD in just about every fantasy draft thus far.

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You said Chris Cooley would out produce Antonio Gates... I am more suprised by your comments than Maurile's. :football:
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that's not what I said
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Even saying Cooley putting up the same numbers is suspect to me. No TE has ever had two years like Gates the guy is incredible and will always be a safety valve to any QB starting in SD.
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The Redskins didn't have a lot of passing options last year. Now they have Coles, Lloyd, Randel El and Cooley. Something has to give between Coles and Cooley. Also, Brunell had a great year last year but is 36. Maybe if Campbell comes in he'll use Cooley more as a safety valve but it's hard to tell what's going to happen in Wash.
 
Gates' numbers take a noticable hit this year as he will be overvalued across the board.

I'll take Chris Cooley two rounds later and get the same production. :yes:

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I genuinely predict that Rivers will play better in 2006 than Brees played in 2005.

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:eek: :blackdot: If you're right, Rivers is the SOD in just about every fantasy draft thus far.

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You said Chris Cooley would out produce Antonio Gates... I am more suprised by your comments than Maurile's. :football:
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that's not what I said
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Even saying Cooley putting up the same numbers is suspect to me. No TE has ever had two years like Gates the guy is incredible and will always be a safety valve to any QB starting in SD.
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The Redskins didn't have a lot of passing options last year. Now they have Coles, Lloyd, Randel El and Cooley. Something has to give between Coles and Cooley. Also, Brunell had a great year last year but is 36. Maybe if Campbell comes in he'll use Cooley more as a safety valve but it's hard to tell what's going to happen in Wash.
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I believe you mean Moss.
 

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