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Rex Grossman, elite QB ? (1 Viewer)

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Based on the Bears Division (absolutely the worst in the NFL), Rex could be

the value pick of the draft (If he even was drafted!!!!).

Based on the past 2 weeks, I predict:

2,400 passing yds and 28 TD's

He could finish in the top 5! Yikes! Am I delirious?

Comments? Feel free to bash this, but support your argument.

Bears could be superbowl bound. Wow!

 
I think he has a legit shot at finishing in the top 12 - Gold if you are in a 2 QB league.

He has an easy schedule against the pass and I recently picked up Berrian since they seem to have some Chemistry

 
aldelgreco said:
Bankerguy said:
Sell high if you can.
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Or just keep him on your bench and make sure you start him versus Arizona, San Fracisco, St. Louis, NY Jets, and Detroit/Green Bay Rd. 2.If Rex has proven one thing, it is that he can slice and dice crappy defenses.
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Yes, this vast history is 2 games.I'm not saying he won't be fine. Although it's a little early to be comparing to the Peytons and Carson's of the leugue. If I owned him....sell high. QB's are a dime a dozen.
 
I dropped Roethlisberger for him as my #2 QB. OK, he may or may not be an even swap for Roeth but I have Hass so I thought I'd take a chance. We only start 1 QB so he'll probably be on my bench except for the great Chicago matchup games.

 
Rex Grossman @ GB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMsf8LinCB8

Rex Grossman v.s DET

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUNy8teasCU...ted&search=

Rex Grossman v.s ATL (2005)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyDBmHsPVQ4...ted&search=

Rex Grossman v.s GB (2004)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDocDM2dbSg...ted&search=

Come to your own conclusions. Although there is very little evidence, or starts, to base this on, I think he is legit, and would love to have him as a #2 in any scoring system.

 
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Long time lurker but first time poster . . .

Just curious how a little more than two weeks ago Bears fans were calling for the OUSTER of Grossman at QB and the insertion of Griese as the #1 QB after Grossman played horrendously in the preseason. Yet here we are after two games and people are suggesting he will be a Top 5 QB this year. What changed in two weeks?

I'll go back to lurking now.

 
Elite QB? No, hot QB for two weeks. It takes a lot more time to earn elite status.

2,400 passing yds and 28 TD's
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By the way, 2,400 yds is nothing. That's not going to put anyone in the top 5.
 
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David Yudkin said:
Long time lurker but first time poster . . .Just curious how a little more than two weeks ago Bears fans were calling for the OUSTER of Grossman at QB and the insertion of Griese as the #1 QB after Grossman played horrendously in the preseason. Yet here we are after two games and people are suggesting he will be a Top 5 QB this year. What changed in two weeks?I'll go back to lurking now.
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He's finally healthy after a full preseason of work?They are somewhat effectiverunning the ball to keep D's honest and Grossman's taking advantage of the situation.Moose is a great possession receiver and Berrien is stretching the field. He's also using the TE more Turner's offense. I'm not completely sold, but a few more weeks of decent/good output will certainly help change my mind.
 
David Yudkin said:
Long time lurker but first time poster . . .Just curious how a little more than two weeks ago Bears fans were calling for the OUSTER of Grossman at QB and the insertion of Griese as the #1 QB after Grossman played horrendously in the preseason. Yet here we are after two games and people are suggesting he will be a Top 5 QB this year. What changed in two weeks?I'll go back to lurking now.
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Since Jim McMahon left its been a long running rite of passage for all Bear QB1s to hear Bear fans hollar and clammor for the changing of the guard at quarterback.
 
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David Yudkin said:
Long time lurker but first time poster . . .Just curious how a little more than two weeks ago Bears fans were calling for the OUSTER of Grossman at QB and the insertion of Griese as the #1 QB after Grossman played horrendously in the preseason. Yet here we are after two games and people are suggesting he will be a Top 5 QB this year. What changed in two weeks?I'll go back to lurking now.
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I'm a Bears fan and I've argued at length with those Bears fans. It usually all boils down to them being disappointed by Grossman because he's been injured in the past and they don't want to give him another chance. Or they remember Cade McNown's 4 TD game and how that turned out. I can understand that. But as a Cubs fan, I've been blessed with patience. I've watched Grossman play and even when he's had bad games, he still looks good out there. I don't know what it is, but I'm a believer in Grossman. I picked him for 300 yards in the 300/100/100 thread last week and I'm not surprised he's showing progression as a QB. Some Bears fans decided they don't like him and it'll probably take a few more games to change their minds. But I think by season's end they'll come around.
 
Billy Volek had 900+ passing yards and 8 TD over a two-week span a couple of seasons ago. I guess he's an elite, Top 5 QB too.

Obviously I'm kidding, but we're really talking about ONE BIG GAME for Grossman. I can't imagine he'll have another game close to that this year and I suspect he'll be this week's waiver wire darling and in a few weeks may be thrown back with the little fish.

Not saying he will bomb, but at this point I think he is a fantasty QB2 for teams with a proven QB1. I can't see benching say a Palmer or McNabb for Grossman. Should he come down to earth, teams already with two more proven QB may chose to jettison back to fantasy free agency.

 
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David Yudkin said:
Billy Volek had 900+ passing yards and 8 TD over a two-week span a couple of seasons ago. I guess he's an elite, Top 5 QB too.

Obviously I'm kidding, but we're really talking about ONE BIG GAME for Grossman. I can't imagine he'll have another game close to that this year and I suspect he'll be this week's waiver wire darling and in a few weeks may be thrown back with the little fish.

Not saying he will bomb, but at this point I think he is a fantasty QB2 for teams with a proven QB1. I can't see benching say a Palmer or McNabb for Grossman. Should he come down to earth, teams already with two more proven QB may chose to jettison back to fantasy free agency.
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What was his passer rating for that game? 140-something? I'm sure not many QBs in the league will have a game like that the rest of the year. And who's arguing that anyone should bench McNabb or Palmer for Grossman?
 
pantagrapher said:
David Yudkin said:
Billy Volek had 900+ passing yards and 8 TD over a two-week span a couple of seasons ago. I guess he's an elite, Top 5 QB too.

Obviously I'm kidding, but we're really talking about ONE BIG GAME for Grossman. I can't imagine he'll have another game close to that this year and I suspect he'll be this week's waiver wire darling and in a few weeks may be thrown back with the little fish.

Not saying he will bomb, but at this point I think he is a fantasty QB2 for teams with a proven QB1. I can't see benching say a Palmer or McNabb for Grossman. Should he come down to earth, teams already with two more proven QB may chose to jettison back to fantasy free agency.
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What was his passer rating for that game? 140-something? I'm sure not many QBs in the league will have a game like that the rest of the year. And who's arguing that anyone should bench McNabb or Palmer for Grossman?
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In the leagues I'm in, the teams that picked up Grossman already had proven guys at QB (and have elected to start him this week). I think that's a mistake, but that's just my opinion.
 
My advice: Join a 2 QB league. How challenging is it to be able to pick guys like Rivers, Pennington and Grossman off the wire? These guys were all drafted in my leagues.

 
Great start, and he's used his weapons effectively. That has to build some confidence.

I can see him finishing in the area of #14 to #18 QB overall. That's a real tight tier of QBs there, but it's good enough for me to take a flyer on him over Plummer as my #2 QB, who is off to a real bad start. I'd grab him over Trent Green quick too. Maybe over McNair, Culpepper, Simms, Rivers, Carr or even Leftwich. Like I said... tight grouping.

I'd have to agree with others that this presents a good sell high scenario to anyone (especially Chi Town homers?) who might give you more value if they think he looks better than this.

 
I grabbed up Pennington (dropping Brooks like a hot cake) to back up P. Manning last week. Grossman was still on the waiver wire this week, but I stuck with Pennington. I think they both will end up top 15 with a chance at sneaking into the top 10.

 
David Yudkin said:
In the leagues I'm in, the teams that picked up Grossman already had proven guys at QB (and have elected to start him this week). I think that's a mistake, but that's just my opinion.
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You need to get out of those guppy FBG staff leagues and mess with some real competition. :D
 
From listening to local sports talk radio, when they have interviewed Grossman's teammates, they all talk about how much they believe he is going to be great, They talk about how he has "it" , and the confidence that he gives them.

 
bullitt said:
From listening to local sports talk radio, when they have interviewed Grossman's teammates, they all talk about how much they believe he is going to be great, They talk about how he has "it" , and the confidence that he gives them.
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I'm sure at **** Cheney's funeral his friends will talk about what a caring, sensitive guy he was.:grainofsalt:
 
Grossman is a stud in the making. Please bump this post if I am wrong. Accuracy, arm-strength, poise, pass-protection is all there. 25 TD's is in the bag.

 
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I have to agree with "Sell high". Next question.

But, if you have an extra roster slot, I'd hide him on the bench in "wait and see" mode.

 
I've always thought Grossman had good talent and the presence to be a good QB.

Selling high is probably out of the question since most people just got the guy off FA and few are true believers.

I think Grossman is a hold if you've got him. Wait and see.

 
Lemmiwinks said:
bullitt said:
From listening to local sports talk radio, when they have interviewed Grossman's teammates, they all talk about how much they believe he is going to be great, They talk about how he has "it" , and the confidence that he gives them.
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I'm sure at **** Cheney's funeral his friends will talk about what a caring, sensitive guy he was.:grainofsalt:
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The point , smartass, is that every one of the players that play with him, everyday, see something special in him. Not a few, but most of the players feel that way about him, that he is something morw than just an average QB. Time will tell, because obviously he doesn't have enough games under his belt for us judge him by, but I would think, that the players that are on his team, would have more of a clue, than anybody on a message board would.
 
He will be solid, NOT spectacular, until his next injury. I give it four more weeks until that happens. Lots of mediocre QBs have 4 TD games. Neal O'Donnell had a five TD game in the first game of the season about five years ago. That didn't make him "elite" either.

 
bullitt said:
Lemmiwinks said:
bullitt said:
From listening to local sports talk radio, when they have interviewed Grossman's teammates, they all talk about how much they believe he is going to be great, They talk about how he has "it" , and the confidence that he gives them.
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I'm sure at **** Cheney's funeral his friends will talk about what a caring, sensitive guy he was.:grainofsalt:
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The point , smartass, is that every one of the players that play with him, everyday, see something special in him. Not a few, but most of the players feel that way about him, that he is something morw than just an average QB. Time will tell, because obviously he doesn't have enough games under his belt for us judge him by, but I would think, that the players that are on his team, would have more of a clue, than anybody on a message board would.
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Excuse me for trying to bring a little humor on the board.Bottom line, every player says how awesome the other guys on his team are unless they are TO. Take those quotes with a grain of salt. Try and take it easy with the insults... there is a collegiate atmosphere around here and I don't want to see this place devolve into FFToday.
 
The question I have... how many men in the box each game? Teams have been stacking 7-8 men in the box against Chicago since last year and thus their running game doesn't produce as well as it could. It was just a matter of time they bust out with a big game in the air. So I'd be giving it a couple weeks to see how defenses adjust. My view is Grossman's big day will have a bigger positive effect on Jones/Benson's fantasy production than Grossman's and his WR's/TE's production.

Remember too, it was Chicago's home opener against an average defense at best.. (atleast when not at home for Det.). Lots more emotion on Chicago's side of the field that game... not to mention Roy Williams spouting off earlier in the week...

 
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Try and take it easy with the insults... there is a collegiate atmosphere around here and I don't want to see this place devolve into FFToday.
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Yeah, you are right, but I didn't mean it as an insult. Sometimes what you are thinking doesn't always come out the same when you write it. I still think the players around him are a better judge of talent than most any of us on a msg board.
 
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Only 2 QBs in the last 30 years have thrown for less than 2,500 yards and had more than 20 TDs....and one was named Dan Marino. I'm just sayin....

 
In the right situation, it appears Grossman can excel. The right situation includes weak secondaries, teams stacking to stop the run, and being in Chicago, decent weather. Sure, he'll get a few more weak secondaries (actually love their schedule), but with that defense it looks like he'll have 2 1/2 quarters to put up stats, and nothing in garbage time. He may have the "it" factor described above, but all the signs point to a less than spectacular fantasy season. Cold weather city, great defense - this will be a running team again soon.

He is the rage though, and in our $10 minimum FA process went for $155 in a bidding war among 6 owners.

 
Coming into the year everyone assumed Grossman sucked. After 2 games he looks like the second coming of Peyton Manning. The truth is somewhere inbetween. Rex is not elite, but is a solid option at QB with a favorable D and a good supporting cast.

I break the QBs down like this

Tier 1 Top Dogs: Manning 1 and McNabb

Tier 2 Proved it in 05: Manning 2 and Palmer

Tier 3 Gaining Fast: Vick and Pennington

Tier 4 Steady Scorers: Brady and Brees ETA how could I forget Hass!

Tier 5 Interchangeable Parts: Grossman, Warner, Favre, and Bledsoe.

 
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