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Does S. Hill keep the job? (1 Viewer)

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VicLic2

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I realize that one win (even in Detroit) does not, in any way, vault Hill to exalted status...but...I was wondering if anyone else out there thinks that he may be able to hold onto the job, even when Stafford is healthy.

We know, of course that FFB success does NOT necessarily equate to NFL success - however, in his four starts (wk 2 - present) he has 1130 yds. 8 TD's vs. 6 INT's.

Thoughts?

 
VicLic2 said:
I realize that one win (even in Detroit) does not, in any way, vault Hill to exalted status...but...I was wondering if anyone else out there thinks that he may be able to hold onto the job, even when Stafford is healthy. We know, of course that FFB success does NOT necessarily equate to NFL success - however, in his four starts (wk 2 - present) he has 1130 yds. 8 TD's vs. 6 INT's.Thoughts?
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Stafford is their QB of the future and has the potential to become a stud. Detroit isn't going anywhere this year so why on Earth would they NOT give the job back to Stafford and risk delaying his development? :sadbanana:
 
With most other teams/qbs in the league I'd think it's possible I just don't see it with last years first overall.

It does mean the lions don't need to rush Stafford back though.

 
NO! It's not like the Lion's are making a playoff push. The franchise is Matthew Stafford's until he shows he can't carry the load, which is still at least 2 years away, assuming he can't.

 
Donsmith753 said:
I just don't see it with last years first overall.It does mean the lions don't need to rush Stafford back though.
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This. I think Hill's play affords the Lions the luxury to take their time to make sure Stafford is healthy (or at least reasonably healthy enough) as opposed to rushing him back and risking more injury. But there's no way Hill supplants Stafford once the latter is healthy enough.
 
No, the franchise future QB is not going to be beaten out by a journeyman who couldn't win the starting job in SFO over Alex Smith.

The only scenario I can see is that when Stafford returns he regresses or is injured again and then Hill steps in and looks like the better QB - but that seems so unlikely I don't realistically see it happening.

 
I never understood why the 49ers were so down on him. I always thought Hill looked better than A. Smith. If I were the Lions, I would take a couple extra weeks bringing back Stafford.

 
Holy Shiz!! Did someone say that the LIONS had great line play? First time in a decade (or more) for a statement like that! Wait...Jeff Backus....is that you?

 
jon_mx said:
I never understood why the 49ers were so down on him. I always thought Hill looked better than A. Smith. If I were the Lions, I would take a couple extra weeks bringing back Stafford.
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The 49ers were down on him because they refuse to admit that Alex Smith sucks. Anyone who challenges the choice they made at 1.01 is challenging their identity, so they got rid of Hill.Hill is better than Smith, but there's no way he keeps the job over Stafford.
 
Yeah, and Peyton Manning won't get his job back should he ever miss a game either.

Stafford is a franchise QB - at least they hope so. Hill is doing well, but he will carry the clipboard when Stafford is healthy.

 
Shaun Hill is a terrific back up quarterback in the NFL. He is what every franchise should hope for. A guy that can come in off the bench and sling it around the field to get you a spark. Hill reminds me a lot of Don Strock. The art of the back up quarterback in the NFL is one that escapes most teams. There is no reason to yank Shaun Hill until Stafford returns 100% heealthy but Hill seems to throw as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. He is a great QB for fantasy owners when he starts but in NFL terms he is a back up in the league. A very good one don't get me wrong and a guy that coaches should not hesitate to insert when they are trying out young QBs or need a spark but he's not someone you build the franchise around.

 
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.

 
Velveeta22 said:
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.
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You can't seriously be comparing Kolb to Stafford???
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Shaun Hill is a terrific back up quarterback in the NFL. He is what every franchise should hope for. A guy that can come in off the bench and sling it around the field to get you a spark. Hill reminds me a lot of Don Strock. The art of the back up quarterback in the NFL is one that escapes most teams. There is no reason to yank Shaun Hill until Stafford returns 100% heealthy but Hill seems to throw as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. He is a great QB for fantasy owners when he starts but in NFL terms he is a back up in the league. A very good one don't get me wrong and a guy that coaches should not hesitate to insert when they are trying out young QBs or need a spark but he's not someone you build the franchise around.
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There are at least 10 teams who wish S. Hill was their starter. He has the talent to start somewhere, and is better than just a backup.
 
jon_mx said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Shaun Hill is a terrific back up quarterback in the NFL. He is what every franchise should hope for. A guy that can come in off the bench and sling it around the field to get you a spark. Hill reminds me a lot of Don Strock. The art of the back up quarterback in the NFL is one that escapes most teams. There is no reason to yank Shaun Hill until Stafford returns 100% heealthy but Hill seems to throw as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. He is a great QB for fantasy owners when he starts but in NFL terms he is a back up in the league. A very good one don't get me wrong and a guy that coaches should not hesitate to insert when they are trying out young QBs or need a spark but he's not someone you build the franchise around.
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There are at least 10 teams who wish S. Hill was their starter. He has the talent to start somewhere, and is better than just a backup.
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What makes you think that? His fantasy stats?
 
I think he will lose the job to Stafford, but that the Lions would be better off just protecting Stafforf for next season.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
jon_mx said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Shaun Hill is a terrific back up quarterback in the NFL. He is what every franchise should hope for. A guy that can come in off the bench and sling it around the field to get you a spark. Hill reminds me a lot of Don Strock. The art of the back up quarterback in the NFL is one that escapes most teams. There is no reason to yank Shaun Hill until Stafford returns 100% heealthy but Hill seems to throw as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. He is a great QB for fantasy owners when he starts but in NFL terms he is a back up in the league. A very good one don't get me wrong and a guy that coaches should not hesitate to insert when they are trying out young QBs or need a spark but he's not someone you build the franchise around.
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There are at least 10 teams who wish S. Hill was their starter. He has the talent to start somewhere, and is better than just a backup.
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What makes you think that? His fantasy stats?
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I think Hill is a tweener. He's a guy who's in that realm of bottom-8 starter/top-8 reserve ultimately. I'm not persuaded that he's a guy that you can really build a franchise around but he could be good if the pieces are around him. Jeff Hostetler comes to mind.-QG

 
I personally think the Lions might trade S. Hill during the bye week. Stafford will come back and stanton will be the back up. They could probably get pretty good return for Hill. Maybe a third round pick or another backup CB.

 
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mt99808 said:
Velveeta22 said:
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.
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You can't seriously be comparing Kolb to Stafford???
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:popcorn: Hill aint Vick and Kolb aint Stafford. Quite frankly, this is a terrible analogy............
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It's not really an analogy. He was just pointing out how most everyone would have said "Kolb is the starter when he gets back from his concussion. To think Vick could take the job is laughable." Heck, even the head coach said that. And, comparing Kolb to Stafford... Going into this season most SP-ers would have taken Kolb over Stafford, I'm guessing. (I'd need to dig through some Top-NFL-QB threads.)
 
QuizGuy66 said:
Ministry of Pain said:
jon_mx said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Shaun Hill is a terrific back up quarterback in the NFL. He is what every franchise should hope for. A guy that can come in off the bench and sling it around the field to get you a spark. Hill reminds me a lot of Don Strock. The art of the back up quarterback in the NFL is one that escapes most teams. There is no reason to yank Shaun Hill until Stafford returns 100% heealthy but Hill seems to throw as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. He is a great QB for fantasy owners when he starts but in NFL terms he is a back up in the league. A very good one don't get me wrong and a guy that coaches should not hesitate to insert when they are trying out young QBs or need a spark but he's not someone you build the franchise around.
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There are at least 10 teams who wish S. Hill was their starter. He has the talent to start somewhere, and is better than just a backup.
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What makes you think that? His fantasy stats?
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I think Hill is a tweener. He's a guy who's in that realm of bottom-8 starter/top-8 reserve ultimately. I'm not persuaded that he's a guy that you can really build a franchise around but he could be good if the pieces are around him. Jeff Hostetler comes to mind.-QG
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Hi QG,I guess my atitude about it is why does every person in here assume because a back up comes in and does what they are supposed to do that they should be a starter in the NFL? Was Frank Reich ever really a starter? Don Strock? My point is we always are ready to annoint a guy a starter or push him in as a possible starter on another team mainly due to our fantasy bias which means we want 32 quality QBs to pick thru for Sundays. I don't see anything in his game to build a franchise around.

But I also think we shouldn't put up with back ups like Todd Collins being in the NFL, that guy is a real liability to Chicago right now and they should have done a better job of finding someone to develop behind Cutler, just laziness on their part.

 
Strock,Reich,these guys are good examples. Hostetler is another. I just that when get to the 25th-40th best QBs the differences are smaller. Hill is a resident of this range IMO. Fitzpatrick is another guy like this.

Jordan Palmer...uh not so much... :goodposting:

-QG

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Strock,Reich,these guys are good examples. Hostetler is another. I just that when get to the 25th-40th best QBs the differences are smaller. Hill is a resident of this range IMO. Fitzpatrick is another guy like this.Jordan Palmer...uh not so much... :confused: -QG
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Agree but FF owners don't think in NFL terms much of the time. They just want to know if they can milk him for another 25+ the next 1-2 weeks or the rest of the season...teams aren't going to trade for this guy right now. If he was a hot commodity they would have grabbed him this past off season when he left San Fran where he wasn't winning games but was putting up decent stats, not much has changed. So to answer the OP or title...yeah Hill is going to keep his job, as the back up QB in Detroit.
 
Grigs Allmoon said:
fred_1_15301 said:
mt99808 said:
Velveeta22 said:
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.
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You can't seriously be comparing Kolb to Stafford???
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:thumbup: Hill aint Vick and Kolb aint Stafford. Quite frankly, this is a terrible analogy............
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It's not really an analogy. He was just pointing out how most everyone would have said "Kolb is the starter when he gets back from his concussion. To think Vick could take the job is laughable." Heck, even the head coach said that. And, comparing Kolb to Stafford... Going into this season most SP-ers would have taken Kolb over Stafford, I'm guessing. (I'd need to dig through some Top-NFL-QB threads.)
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Yes, Grigs, you are right. I was only comparing the fact that Kolb is the "future" of the Eagles franchise just like Stafford is the "future" of the Lions franchise. Both were injured and have replacements who stepped up. The real point of my thread went completely over the other posters' heads. In the same way that Stafford should get his job back, Kolb should also retain his in Philly.
 
If the Lion's were 4-1 this may be a discussion, however they are are 1-4. Stafford is barely a rookie based on the number of games he has played. The team may take a step back (slightly - cannot deny that Hill has not stepped in admirably) however Stafford will and needs to be the starting qb in order for this franchise to take a legitimate step forward.

 
Grigs Allmoon said:
fred_1_15301 said:
mt99808 said:
Velveeta22 said:
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.
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You can't seriously be comparing Kolb to Stafford???
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:clap: Hill aint Vick and Kolb aint Stafford. Quite frankly, this is a terrible analogy............
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It's not really an analogy. He was just pointing out how most everyone would have said "Kolb is the starter when he gets back from his concussion. To think Vick could take the job is laughable." Heck, even the head coach said that. And, comparing Kolb to Stafford... Going into this season most SP-ers would have taken Kolb over Stafford, I'm guessing. (I'd need to dig through some Top-NFL-QB threads.)
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I think the point is that they're 2 entirely different situations. Vick was a former first round pick who has been playing out of his mind this year. He has the potential to be a star in this league. Additionally, Philly may have a chance to compete for a long playoff run THIS year and Vick may give them the best shot. Detroit is going absolutely nowhere this year and I don't think Hill has the kind of potential that Vick has. The only upside I see in keeping Hill the starter this year is that it would save Stafford from a subsequent injury. Also, I'm curious whether most SP-ers would take Kolb over Stafford for the long run. Kolb was probably more ready at the beginning of the year because he's been in the system for a lot longer than Stafford has. However, I would be surprised if most experts believed that Kolb would be a better qb than Stafford in the long run.
 
Velveeta22 said:
Grigs Allmoon said:
fred_1_15301 said:
mt99808 said:
Velveeta22 said:
I do not understand why the "future of the franchise" cannot lose his job in Detroit, but he can lose it in Philly. Kolb is the future there. It seems ridiculous that Vick would start over Kolb for all the same reasons listed above.
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You can't seriously be comparing Kolb to Stafford???
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:clap: Hill aint Vick and Kolb aint Stafford. Quite frankly, this is a terrible analogy............
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It's not really an analogy. He was just pointing out how most everyone would have said "Kolb is the starter when he gets back from his concussion. To think Vick could take the job is laughable." Heck, even the head coach said that. And, comparing Kolb to Stafford... Going into this season most SP-ers would have taken Kolb over Stafford, I'm guessing. (I'd need to dig through some Top-NFL-QB threads.)
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Yes, Grigs, you are right. I was only comparing the fact that Kolb is the "future" of the Eagles franchise just like Stafford is the "future" of the Lions franchise. Both were injured and have replacements who stepped up. The real point of my thread went completely over the other posters' heads. In the same way that Stafford should get his job back, Kolb should also retain his in Philly.
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No your point didn't go over my head. I disagree with your point but I understand what you were trying to say. 2 completely different situations and I don't at all agree that Kolb "should retain his job" in Philly.
 
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