Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
No word yet on if it in involves Trent Green, but I would assume that is what this is about. In anything goes down, I will update.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Magic 8 Ball says a 5th rounder pick next season.
Banger
Footballguy
I agree.
stanmarino13
Footballguy
If Green is locked out the plane is just the backup plan. Green is parachuting out of the plane to get on the chiefs practise field to force the issue?
identikit
Footballguy
Id
Please don't screw this thread up with jokes. Thanks for the headsup Kevin and please keep us posted.
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Warpig
Footballguy
Wouldn't it be funny if CPepp landed in KC?CPepp
BostonSportsGuy
Footballguy
The headline is confusing. I just clicked to see what the hell it was. Now I want the last 5 seconds back.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Let's play what if for a minute.
What if Trent Green is NOT stating in KC next year? Is Huard the starter? Someone else?
What if Trent Green is NOT stating in KC next year? Is Huard the starter? Someone else?
Mr. Bill O'Reilly
Footballguy
You sure it was a dolphin's jet? I heard it was a UFO...
Traders2001
Footballguy
It would not be funny for the KC fans , Culp is now ( Withiut is mobility ) a third string QB.Wouldn't it be funny if CPepp landed in KC?CPepp
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Ricky Williams FTW?
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
It's dependant on Croyle's progress between now and week 1. Green was notified that they were moving in another direction and that escalated him (eventually) landing in Miami.
Warpig
Footballguy
This thought crossed my mind. But then I got a reality slap.C-Pep (at this point in his career) is no better than what they already have.They would then have 4 QB's that are basically clones of each other.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
...with Ricky Williams at the controls, and Cpep as the co-pilot ?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Could this be a 3-way deal between the Dolphins, Jets and Chiefs ?
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
No news/updates yet guys....but I believe that minicamp/OTA's start again tomorrow....and that is when Green has said he will show up.
-OZ-
Footballguy
That could work out well.Leftwich can start the first 4 games, Garrard the next few, then Culpepper can take his turn.This thought crossed my mind. But then I got a reality slap.C-Pep (at this point in his career) is no better than what they already have.
They would then have 4 QB's that are basically clones of each other.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
BigJim®
Footballguy
I don't claim to have any insight on Culpepper's existing health, but assuming he is not permanently disabled I can't agree with your statement. The Jags have no QBs on their roster who could surpass 5100 yards, and account for 40 TDs. He's just 2 years beyond that performance. I'm actually a little surprised that the Dolphins would go with Trent Green rather than seeing what Culpepper looks like in August. They seem overly eager to move past Culpepper and I agree that is a bad sign. I sure hope Culpepper catches on somewhere and makes the Dolphins look dumb for holding him on their roster only long enough for him to recover.
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Are you serious about this? Where would you get the idea the Jets are remotely involved? What exacvtly would they want or need from eeither team?Much less, what would they need that the Phins, a division rival, would ever let them get?Could this be a 3-way deal between the Dolphins, Jets and Chiefs ?
NoFBinLA said:Are you serious about this? Where would you get the idea the Jets are remotely involved? What exacvtly would they want or need from eeither team?Much less, what would they need that the Phins, a division rival, would ever let them get?Ron_Mexico said:Could this be a 3-way deal between the Dolphins, Jets and Chiefs ?
notice the word "Jet" in the subject. How does that hook taste?
Chest Rockwell
Footballguy
KC
here. Huard. 100%. Starting Brodie Croyle is an admission from Carl Peterson and Co. that the Chiefs are writing off the entire season. Never happened before. Not gonna happen this year.Barring a miraculous offseason or two, Croyle simply hasn't shown that he's starting(or even backup) material. In fact, when the smoke clears, I wouldn't be shocked if KC brought in another vet to compete with Croyle for the #2 slot. Yeah, he's that far away. Keep in mind that I was originally a big fan of the pick. Still think it was the right pick based on the info and tape predraft, but he's long way from being declared the starter. And frankly, he may never be.
***Here's an insightful bit from John Clayton
regarding the Trent Green stonewall.***By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: April 24, 2007, 1:19 PM ET
Although the Oakland Raiders have the first overall pick in the NFL draft Saturday, the Kansas City Chiefs control how the top of the first round will go.
The reason for the Chiefs' control is Trent Green trade. The Chiefs know the Raiders need a quarterback solution after a season in which the Silver and Black scored 12 offensive touchdowns. Andrew Walter is all Al Davis has at quarterback heading into the draft, and Davis publicly admitted the organization screwed up by not taking a passer in the 2006 NFL draft's first round.
Internally, Davis has made it pretty clear he would like to consider Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson, but to take Johnson, he would need acceptable quarterback solutions. The Raiders want a veteran quarterback to start the season and wouldn't mind taking Trent Edwards of Stanford or another quarterback in the second round. Getting the veteran quarterback is the problem.
With the chance to obtain Josh McCown from Detroit almost dead, the only other quarterback who could make sense for the Raiders is Daunte Culpepper of the Dolphins. Chiefs president Carl Peterson knows the longer he can hold onto Green, the Raiders' chances of getting Culpepper in time for the start of the draft dwindle.
The Dolphins will keep Culpepper until they acquire Green, and timing is everything. For the Raiders to consider Culpepper, they must investigate his knee injury. Last November, he underwent what was considered a minor procedure to remove tissue that was causing the knee to lock up. Culpepper recently revealed recovery from that procedure was four-to-six months. He needs two more months to recover.
If Peterson doesn't make a trade until the eve of the draft or until the Raiders are on the clock Saturday, it would be hard for the Raiders to take Johnson. Jamarcus Russell would have to be their choice to answer the long-term quarterback problem.
The Dolphins aren't willing to give Peterson more than a sixth-round pick for Green. The Chiefs continue to ask for a second-rounder and a seventh-rounder. The longer the Chiefs stall, though, the longer they control what the Raiders will do.
John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
**Mission accomplished**
Chop_Block
Footballguy
Like SPAM.NoFBinLA said:Are you serious about this? Where would you get the idea the Jets are remotely involved? What exacvtly would they want or need from eeither team?Much less, what would they need that the Phins, a division rival, would ever let them get?Ron_Mexico said:Could this be a 3-way deal between the Dolphins, Jets and Chiefs ?
I just had to ask - be gentle -- first day here. 
massraider
Footballguy
KChere. Huard. 100%. Starting Brodie Croyle is an admission from Carl Peterson and Co. that the Chiefs are writing off the entire season. Never happened before. Not gonna happen this year.
Barring a miraculous offseason or two, Croyle simply hasn't shown that he's starting(or even backup) material. In fact, when the smoke clears, I wouldn't be shocked if KC brought in another vet to compete with Croyle for the #2 slot. Yeah, he's that far away. Keep in mind that I was originally a big fan of the pick. Still think it was the right pick based on the info and tape predraft, but he's long way from being declared the starter. And frankly, he may never be.
***Here's an insightful bit from John Clayton
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: April 24, 2007, 1:19 PM ET
Although the Oakland Raiders have the first overall pick in the NFL draft Saturday, the Kansas City Chiefs control how the top of the first round will go.
The reason for the Chiefs' control is Trent Green trade. The Chiefs know the Raiders need a quarterback solution after a season in which the Silver and Black scored 12 offensive touchdowns. Andrew Walter is all Al Davis has at quarterback heading into the draft, and Davis publicly admitted the organization screwed up by not taking a passer in the 2006 NFL draft's first round.
Internally, Davis has made it pretty clear he would like to consider Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson, but to take Johnson, he would need acceptable quarterback solutions. The Raiders want a veteran quarterback to start the season and wouldn't mind taking Trent Edwards of Stanford or another quarterback in the second round. Getting the veteran quarterback is the problem.
With the chance to obtain Josh McCown from Detroit almost dead, the only other quarterback who could make sense for the Raiders is Daunte Culpepper of the Dolphins. Chiefs president Carl Peterson knows the longer he can hold onto Green, the Raiders' chances of getting Culpepper in time for the start of the draft dwindle.
The Dolphins will keep Culpepper until they acquire Green, and timing is everything. For the Raiders to consider Culpepper, they must investigate his knee injury. Last November, he underwent what was considered a minor procedure to remove tissue that was causing the knee to lock up. Culpepper recently revealed recovery from that procedure was four-to-six months. He needs two more months to recover.
If Peterson doesn't make a trade until the eve of the draft or until the Raiders are on the clock Saturday, it would be hard for the Raiders to take Johnson. Jamarcus Russell would have to be their choice to answer the long-term quarterback problem.
The Dolphins aren't willing to give Peterson more than a sixth-round pick for Green. The Chiefs continue to ask for a second-rounder and a seventh-rounder. The longer the Chiefs stall, though, the longer they control what the Raiders will do.
John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
**Mission accomplished**
Since ther draft, that story has been proved to be about as incorrect as could be.The entire premise is that the Chiefs have held up Green in order to let the poor Raiders dangle.
Well, the Raiders have sorted out QB, so why wasn't Green traded after the draft?
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
Since the Chiefs are the ones who sent out the press release, the speculation is that it is nothing major...or Carl Peterson & Co. would not be the ones who announced it.I think it will be a lot of Trent giving the company line, but I imagine the media, if questions are allowed, will grill all parties involved, and there may be some fireworks from that.
I have not heard on if MIA's brass is still here or not....I really thought something would get done before this round of OTA's started....so color me clueless on what the latest holdup is.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
And I would like at least a year of my life back from the time I've wasted reading "I want the last 5 seconds back" posts.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
If Croyle is ready, he's it. If not, Huard 'till Croyle is ready - at the worst, next year's opener. I'm guessing that Croyle starts this season, if not week 1 then no later than week 5 or 6.
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
PC is over....I will link to the transcript when it goes up on KCChiefs.com
Nothing new really....more of Trent lamenting his situation
Nothing new really....more of Trent lamenting his situation
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
810 reporting that Chiefs had PR staff surrounding Huard and Croyle saying they were off limits.
This is getting really weird.
810 reporter Aaron Swartz is saying that the lockerroom felt like it never had today....everyone was on pins and needles...even guys like Larry Johnson
This is getting really weird.
810 reporter Aaron Swartz is saying that the lockerroom felt like it never had today....everyone was on pins and needles...even guys like Larry Johnson
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Can he feel the pins and needles through his diapers?(sorry, I couldn't resist)
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el-gato-grande
Footballguy
A lot of useless information to wade through in this thread. Let me try to add some value...
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Trent Green wants out of K.C.
By Harvey Fialkov
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted May 22 2007, 5:40 PM EDT
Trent Green's relentless publicity campaign to become the Dolphins 2007 starting quarterback continued Tuesday as he addressed approximately 25-30 members of the media after participating in his first practice with the Kansas City Chiefs since trade talks began in late February.
"No, I don't. I don't,'' Green said when asked if he thought he'd be with the Chiefs this season. "I'm still holding out hope this deal gets done. That's what's been expressed from all parties involved.''
LocalLinks
The Dolphins and Chiefs have been unable to agree on terms of a trade for Green, but said that both sides are still talking. The Dolphins are believed to have offered a future sixth-round pick, which the Chiefs have repeatedly turned down.
Chiefs President and General Manager Carl Peterson is at the NFL owner's meetings in Memphis this week, however, Dolphins General Manager Randy Mueller isn't. The Dolphins are represented at the meetings by owner H. Wayne Huizenga and team President Bryan Wiedmeier.
"You just wish there was more communication,'' Green said. "I know Carl and Randy do talk. I'm more anxious than anybody else, more so from a family standpoint.''
Green, who turns 37 in July, is married with three children, ranging in ages from 1 to 10.
Although Chiefs coach Herm Edwards recently said the competition between the three Chiefs quarterbacks will be fair, he has made it clear to Green that he wants to get younger at quarterback and will give every opportunity for second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle to win the starting job over Green and veteran Damon Huard.
"I've been in the league long enough and when you see those comments over the course of several months and you see the way the reps are going to work out, and you see what Brodie's making, what Damon was re-signed for and what I'm making, it's not a fair competition. It's a weighted competition,'' Green said.
"I've never shied away from competition my whole career. That part of it has never scared me. But I feel like what I've done over the last few years, I deserve more of an opportunity than what's being presented.''
Apparently, the three quarterbacks split snaps equally in Tuesday's practice, with Green taking the first snap.
"If anybody watched practice today, he looked good,'' said Chiefs guard Brian Waters. "He looked great. I think if you put him in position, I think he's the better qualified quarterback on this roster right now.''
Green sustained a severe concussion in the 2006 season opener and started only eight games. After throwing for more than 4,000 yards from 2003-05 with Kansas City, Green had just 1,352 yards last season with seven touchdown passes and nine interceptions.
Dolphins coach Cam Cameron was Green's quarterbacks coach when both were with the Washington Redskins from 1995-96, and Dolphins quarterbacks coach Terry Shea held the same position with Kansas City for the past two seasons.
Cameron and Mueller do not comment on players who aren't on the roster, and they have been supportive of Daunte Culpepper's comeback attempt. They've also praised rookie quarterback John Beck and backup quarterback Cleo Lemon.
Green said that the Dolphins haven't told him that he would be the starting quarterback if he joined the team.
"[The Dolphins have] never said, 'You're the guy and come right in,' '' Green said. "They haven't discussed with me what the quarterback Daunte Culpepper situation is; they haven't told me one way or another.
"[in Miami], because of my knowledge of the offense and the quarterbacks that are there and their knowledge of the offense, I just think that it would be a much more fair competition."
Green said that he hasn't considered retirement if the Chiefs don't trade or release him.
If the Chiefs still intend to deal Green, they're taking a risk by having him participate in OTA (organized team activity) sessions, because if he is injured, they would have to guarantee his 2007 base salary of $7.2 million.
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Trent Green wants out of K.C.
By Harvey Fialkov
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Posted May 22 2007, 5:40 PM EDT
Trent Green's relentless publicity campaign to become the Dolphins 2007 starting quarterback continued Tuesday as he addressed approximately 25-30 members of the media after participating in his first practice with the Kansas City Chiefs since trade talks began in late February.
"No, I don't. I don't,'' Green said when asked if he thought he'd be with the Chiefs this season. "I'm still holding out hope this deal gets done. That's what's been expressed from all parties involved.''
LocalLinks
The Dolphins and Chiefs have been unable to agree on terms of a trade for Green, but said that both sides are still talking. The Dolphins are believed to have offered a future sixth-round pick, which the Chiefs have repeatedly turned down.
Chiefs President and General Manager Carl Peterson is at the NFL owner's meetings in Memphis this week, however, Dolphins General Manager Randy Mueller isn't. The Dolphins are represented at the meetings by owner H. Wayne Huizenga and team President Bryan Wiedmeier.
"You just wish there was more communication,'' Green said. "I know Carl and Randy do talk. I'm more anxious than anybody else, more so from a family standpoint.''
Green, who turns 37 in July, is married with three children, ranging in ages from 1 to 10.
Although Chiefs coach Herm Edwards recently said the competition between the three Chiefs quarterbacks will be fair, he has made it clear to Green that he wants to get younger at quarterback and will give every opportunity for second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle to win the starting job over Green and veteran Damon Huard.
"I've been in the league long enough and when you see those comments over the course of several months and you see the way the reps are going to work out, and you see what Brodie's making, what Damon was re-signed for and what I'm making, it's not a fair competition. It's a weighted competition,'' Green said.
"I've never shied away from competition my whole career. That part of it has never scared me. But I feel like what I've done over the last few years, I deserve more of an opportunity than what's being presented.''
Apparently, the three quarterbacks split snaps equally in Tuesday's practice, with Green taking the first snap.
"If anybody watched practice today, he looked good,'' said Chiefs guard Brian Waters. "He looked great. I think if you put him in position, I think he's the better qualified quarterback on this roster right now.''
Green sustained a severe concussion in the 2006 season opener and started only eight games. After throwing for more than 4,000 yards from 2003-05 with Kansas City, Green had just 1,352 yards last season with seven touchdown passes and nine interceptions.
Dolphins coach Cam Cameron was Green's quarterbacks coach when both were with the Washington Redskins from 1995-96, and Dolphins quarterbacks coach Terry Shea held the same position with Kansas City for the past two seasons.
Cameron and Mueller do not comment on players who aren't on the roster, and they have been supportive of Daunte Culpepper's comeback attempt. They've also praised rookie quarterback John Beck and backup quarterback Cleo Lemon.
Green said that the Dolphins haven't told him that he would be the starting quarterback if he joined the team.
"[The Dolphins have] never said, 'You're the guy and come right in,' '' Green said. "They haven't discussed with me what the quarterback Daunte Culpepper situation is; they haven't told me one way or another.
"[in Miami], because of my knowledge of the offense and the quarterbacks that are there and their knowledge of the offense, I just think that it would be a much more fair competition."
Green said that he hasn't considered retirement if the Chiefs don't trade or release him.
If the Chiefs still intend to deal Green, they're taking a risk by having him participate in OTA (organized team activity) sessions, because if he is injured, they would have to guarantee his 2007 base salary of $7.2 million.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Now that's good.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
At this point it seems that it's about saving face for both teams, not wanting to look like they caved. KC really needs to move him though, and Peterson should blink pretty soon. What the two sides really should do is make the pick conditional on performance -- a 4th if Green meets certain standards, a 6th if he doesn't. That just seems to be the way to go since they can't agree on a 5th rounder to settle the issue.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Starting a 2nd year QB is an admission that the season is over before it started, but starting a QB who has been nothing more than a backup for 10 years ISN'T?Last year, 5 QBs attempted more passes than Huard has his entire career.KChere. Huard. 100%. Starting Brodie Croyle is an admission from Carl Peterson and Co. that the Chiefs are writing off the entire season. Never happened before. Not gonna happen this year.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't get that comment either. If a QB is considered the QBOTF, starting in the 2nd year is pretty much the norm unless you have a HOFer ahead of him that can't figure out when he wants to retire.Starting a 2nd year QB is an admission that the season is over before it started, but starting a QB who has been nothing more than a backup for 10 years ISN'T?Last year, 5 QBs attempted more passes than Huard has his entire career.KC
Chest Rockwell
Footballguy
Who cares? How many RB's have attempted more passes in their career than Croyle has in his? The guy has 7 career attempts w/2 INT's. He was awful vs. 3rd string comp in the preseason and the guy makes Mark Bulger look like a bodybuilder. It has been 28 years since KC has started a QB with less than 4 years of NFL experience (Steve Fuller in '79...BTW, he was horrid). It's never happened since Carl Peterson has been the GM. And ask yourself this: How many 3rd round QB's have been declared the opening day starter in their second season. Besides, Huard had a 11/1 TD interception ratio and the 2nd highest passer rating in the NFL last season. He went 5 - 3 as a starter and was resigned in the offseason to 3 yr./$7.5 million contract. I just don't see anything indicating Croyle as the opening day starterStarting a 2nd year QB is an admission that the season is over before it started, but starting a QB who has been nothing more than a backup for 10 years ISN'T?Last year, 5 QBs attempted more passes than Huard has his entire career.KC
Kevin Ashcraft
Footballguy
1. Paragraphs work2. That was a freakin'
People outside of KC, unless they are research hounds, have no idea about how KC rolls from the QB position historically. Technically, Blackledge started after Fuller did but both were equally horrid 1st round busts.Let's face facts, KC has been very good about finding QBs either coming off their rookie contracts, or trading/signing good veteran QBs. Look at the QBs they have plucked thru trades/FALen DawsonBill KenneySteve DebergDavid KreigJoe MontanaSteve BonoElvis GrbacRich GannonTrent GreenDamon HuardThe drafted ones.....since 1978 5th round and aboveBlackledge 1stFuller 1stMatt Blundin 2ndMike Elkins 2ndSteve Stenstrom 4thPat Barnes 4thPete Woods 4thDoug Hudson 5th
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ignorance is bliss,,,right KnowledgeReignsSupreme??? Most people with a cocky name like yours have something to back it up but you're more like the guy with the talking butt. Do your research before you post and if you don't have insight then stay on the sidelines. This is what I know or believe:Starting a 2nd year QB is an admission that the season is over before it started, but starting a QB who has been nothing more than a backup for 10 years ISN'T?Last year, 5 QBs attempted more passes than Huard has his entire career.KC
Huard played brilliantly last year before being replaced by Green (due to loyalty to the previous starter).
Huard signed a new contract with big enough cash to make Green a cash liability in KC.
"Edwards had indicated the starting job was Croyle’s to lose. He didn’t back off that claim Thursday but said Croyle, Huard and Green would all get snaps with the first team." http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/112431.html
I think that Edwards needs/wants Croyle to be the best KC QB ASAP and so he is putting him in a position to succeed but at the same time putting pressure on Huard to repeat his outstanding performance from last season. I think this will be a competition that Huard will win and we won't see Croyle until Huard gets hurt.
What are the odds that Huard gets hurt??? He's a pretty fresh QB despite his age since he's been on he shelf and in the box for pretty much his whole career so age won't be a factor this year. KC offensive line isn't what it used to be so he won't be as protected as Green used to be prior to last year but then KC will be running more that throwing so injury shouldn't be a big factor excep that this is the NFL and keeping anybody healthy seems pretty rare these days.
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