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Tiki HOF Material? (1 Viewer)

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Since he said he will retire end of season what are his chances of making it to Canton if this is his last season.

| Rushing | Receiving |

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| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1997 nyg | 12 | 136 511 3.8 3 | 34 299 8.8 1 |

| 1998 nyg | 16 | 52 166 3.2 0 | 42 348 8.3 3 |

| 1999 nyg | 16 | 62 258 4.2 0 | 66 609 9.2 2 |

| 2000 nyg | 16 | 213 1006 4.7 8 | 70 719 10.3 1 |

| 2001 nyg | 14 | 166 865 5.2 4 | 72 577 8.0 0 |

| 2002 nyg | 16 | 303 1386 4.6 11 | 69 597 8.7 0 |

| 2003 nyg | 16 | 278 1216 4.4 2 | 69 461 6.7 1 |

| 2004 nyg | 16 | 322 1518 4.7 13 | 52 578 11.1 2 |

| 2005 nyg | 16 | 357 1860 5.2 9 | 54 530 9.8 2 |

| 2006 nyg | 6 | 129 647 5.0 0 | 26 222 8.5 0 |

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| TOTAL | 144 | 2018 9433 4.7 50 | 554 4940 8.9 12 |

Among the league's all-time top 50

Rushes: 24

Rushing yards: 20

Yards from scrimmage: 16

Another stat posted on the Monday Night game. He is 3rd in history YPC.

 
I think his chances are pretty good. I especially like the way he got better, through hard work as his career went on. His curing of his fumbling, and taking the ball more. Just his all around improvement. You have to mention the line play, but he takes advantage of their improved play.

I'd say he's borderline, and likely in, but a SB win, would be icing.

 
If Tiki can lead the league in yards from scrimmage this year, it will be his third consecutive year doing so. On Thurman Thomas (4 years) and Jim Brown have done that before.

 
Snotbubbles said:
No. He needs 2 more years.If he gets in then Terrell Davis should be a lock.
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A lock based on what? That the teams he was on won 2 SB's? Yes, he had 3 good seasons. Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson put up very similar numbers running behind essentially the same lines, in the same system, minus Elway. And, the running production continues to this day. I don't think Davis was bad by any stretch, just not as great as many people who just look at the stats do. I don't think Tikis a lock, but I'd give him better odds than Davis. Give him this year finishing as last. Their top 4 seasons are essentially equal. Tikis career production is far better. Receiving is far better. +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1995 den | 14 | 237 1117 4.7 7 | 49 367 7.5 1 || 1996 den | 16 | 345 1538 4.5 13 | 36 310 8.6 2 || 1997 den | 15 | 369 1750 4.7 15 | 42 287 6.8 0 || 1998 den | 16 | 392 2008 5.1 21 | 25 217 8.7 2 || 1999 den | 4 | 67 211 3.1 2 | 3 26 8.7 0 || 2000 den | 5 | 78 282 3.6 2 | 2 4 2.0 0 || 2001 den | 11 | 167 701 4.2 0 | 12 69 5.8 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 81 | 1655 7607 4.6 60 | 169 1280 7.6 5 |
 
Many of us have had this discussion before, and long story short without searching through all the other threads . . . no.

There are just too many other RBs lined up ahead of him and they can't ALL get in. The current era of football has made heroes out of featured backs. The list is pretty long for guys that played in his timeframe of guys that will get in before him.

 
David Yudkin said:
Many of us have had this discussion before, and long story short without searching through all the other threads . . . no.There are just too many other RBs lined up ahead of him and they can't ALL get in. The current era of football has made heroes out of featured backs. The list is pretty long for guys that played in his timeframe of guys that will get in before him.
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Yes absolutely no question in my book.

He has been one of THE best RBs in the league 3 years running and 4 of the last 5 years. The NFL HOF rewards dominance, there's no need for him to pad his overall stats. I'd put him in over Bettis and Curtis Martin if I could only take 1 of the 3.

 
A lock based on what? That the teams he was on won 2 SB's? Yes, he had 3 good seasons. Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson put up very similar numbers running behind essentially the same lines, in the same system, minus Elway. And, the running production continues to this day. I don't think Davis was bad by any stretch, just not as great as many people who just look at the stats do. I don't think Tikis a lock, but I'd give him better odds than Davis. Give him this year finishing as last. Their top 4 seasons are essentially equal. Tikis career production is far better. Receiving is far better.
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I didn't say TD was a lock. I said that if Tiki gets in then TD should be a lock. TDs numbers are more impressive IMO. Just look at what he did in the playoffs. Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1996 jax L,27-30 | 14 91 1 | 7 24 0 1997 jax W,42-17 | 31 184 2 | 4 11 0 1997 kan W,14-10 | 25 101 2 | 1 17 0 1997 pit W,24-21 | 26 139 1 | 1 2 0*1997 gnb W,31-24 | 30 157 3 | 2 8 0 1998 mia W,38-3 | 21 199 2 | 1 7 0 1998 nyj W,23-10 | 32 167 1 | 1 12 0*1998 atl W,34-19 | 25 102 0 | 2 50 0---------------------+-----------------+-----------------TOTAL | 204 1140 12 | 19 131 0You can say it's a system thing but, how many Superbowls have the Broncos won without TD? Better yet, how many playoff games?EDIT: Tiki's career averagesTotal YPG: 99.8Rush YPG: 65.5Rec YPG: 34.3TD pg: .43TD's career averagesTotal YPG: 109.7Rush YPG: 93.9Rec YPG: 15.8TD pg: .80Total career production is not relevant for HOF consideration (see Vinny Testaverde and Dave Krieg). Sure Tiki is a better receiver but he can't hold TDs jock strap when it comes to scoring TDs and playoff performances.
 
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Pros:

- Going on 3 years leading the league in total yards from scrimage.

- Certainly has the total yardage of a HOF.

- Is a league personality.

Cons:

- 41 Fumbles over his career makes him the Roman Gabriel of RBs.

- Touchdown #s are pretty low.

- Only 3 truly exceptional years.

- Playoff #s are below average

- Only 2 Pro Bowls!!! (Bettis 6x, C-Mart 5x, Ricky Watters 5x)

- No ring.

Have to ask yourself how he stacks up against other RBs from his era who are also elligable such as Ricky Watters, Terrell Davis, Dillon, Bettis, and C-Mart. Some of those guys have HOF credentials that seem more worthy to me. Looks like the Art Monk of RBs to me. Lots of bulk yardage, not enough accolades.

 
No. He ONLY gets this talk because he's in New York. If he posted these same numbers with Tampa Bay, no ones talking HoF. He's very good, he's not all time great.

 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Yes absolutely no question in my book.

He has been one of THE best RBs in the league 3 years running and 4 of the last 5 years. The NFL HOF rewards dominance, there's no need for him to pad his overall stats. I'd put him in over Bettis and Curtis Martin if I could only take 1 of the 3.
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This is just crazy talk.Edited to add: I think LT, Alexander, and Holmes have something to say about Tiki being the best back 4 out of the last 5 years.

 
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Great player, not a HOF'er though. 4 great years do not get you in imo..

Only Gayle Sayers seemed to pull that off.

 
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Yes absolutely no question in my book. He has been one of THE best RBs in the league 3 years running and 4 of the last 5 years. The NFL HOF rewards dominance, there's no need for him to pad his overall stats. I'd put him in over Bettis and Curtis Martin if I could only take 1 of the 3.
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If I was a GM, just starting a team and CMART, Bettis and Tiki were availiable at the same time as rookies, I would take Tiki. He brings much more than those others.With that said, CMART is the only one listed there that I think belongs in the HOF. He put up solid numbers over a long period of time and was very durrable.Bettis didn't even average 4.0 yards per carry. He got a lot of hype the last part of his career for being a goal line back. It is a sad day with goal line backs start making the hall.Tiki is hanging it up to soon. He has had only 6 1000 yard seasons. And yes, his yards from scrimmage totals are great, but hey, he is no Roger Craig. And Roger Craig was a big part in his team winning superbowls. The Giants won A superbowl, because of the defense. Tiki shared the backfield with Ron Dayne that year. Roger Craig, I don't think he is in the HOF yet? Maybe I am wrong.
 
PMENFAN said:
Snotbubbles said:
No. He needs 2 more years.

If he gets in then Terrell Davis should be a lock.
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A lock based on what? That the teams he was on won 2 SB's? Yes, he had 3 good seasons. Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson put up very similar numbers running behind essentially the same lines, in the same system, minus Elway.
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3 good seasons? I would say averaging over 1,700 in those seasons, winning two MVP awards (one for the regular season and one for the Super Bowl), and going over 2,000 yards in one of those years was a little bit better than merely good. When did Gary or Anderson average over 1,700 over a three-year span?

When did Gary or Anderson ever run for 2,000 yards?

When did Gary or Anderson put up the monster numbers Davis did in the playoffs?

When did Gary or Anderson win the MVP of the entire NFL?

 
zdaddy said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Yes absolutely no question in my book. He has been one of THE best RBs in the league 3 years running and 4 of the last 5 years. The NFL HOF rewards dominance, there's no need for him to pad his overall stats. I'd put him in over Bettis and Curtis Martin if I could only take 1 of the 3.
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If I was a GM, just starting a team and CMART, Bettis and Tiki were availiable at the same time as rookies, I would take Tiki. He brings much more than those others.With that said, CMART is the only one listed there that I think belongs in the HOF. He put up solid numbers over a long period of time and was very durrable.Bettis didn't even average 4.0 yards per carry. He got a lot of hype the last part of his career for being a goal line back. It is a sad day with goal line backs start making the hall.Tiki is hanging it up to soon. He has had only 6 1000 yard seasons. And yes, his yards from scrimmage totals are great, but hey, he is no Roger Craig. And Roger Craig was a big part in his team winning superbowls. The Giants won A superbowl, because of the defense. Tiki shared the backfield with Ron Dayne that year. Roger Craig, I don't think he is in the HOF yet? Maybe I am wrong.
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The Giants lost that Super Bowl to the Ravens. Tiki has not won a Super Bowl yet.
 
I would rather put Barber in than Shaun Alexander, or really anyone from this era other than Faulk and Tomlinson (even Terrell Davis, who I also think is very deserving of the hall). People only say "Hall of Very Good" because Barber was so underrated. His ypc and yards from scrimmage were SICK, but because New York decided to do the Ron Dayne expiriment, Barber doesn't get the credit he deserves for being one of the truly elite RBs in the NFL. I'd rather have him than Tomlinson on my team at this point in time.

 
The most amazing thing about Tiki is that of all the stud RBs the last few years with high YPC averages -- Alexander, Holmes, Johnson -- Tiki is the only one to do it without a great offensive line. Or even a very good one.

Top YPC from 2002-2006 (I'm using this because that's where the draft dominator goes back), min 600 carries:

1. Tiki - 4.77

2. LJ - 4.76

3. Portis - 4.68

4. Green - 4.65

5. Holmes - 4.62

6. Dunn - 4.61

7. Alexander - 4.53

You've got two RBs in the great Chiefs system, two in the great Broncos/Gibbs system, and two on teams with multiple Pro Bowl OL (GB/Sea). And not only is Tiki in that group, he leads that group. No RB, not even LT, has done as much with as weak an offensive line as Barber. Everyone loves LT, but there's really nothing to indicate that he's better at anything but Barber than scoring TDs.

Just amazing the YPC Tiki has put up, which is unheard of unless you're in one of the great systems or have multiple Pro Bowl lineman.

 
SSOG said:
I would rather put Barber in than Shaun Alexander, or really anyone from this era other than Faulk and Tomlinson (even Terrell Davis, who I also think is very deserving of the hall). People only say "Hall of Very Good" because Barber was so underrated. His ypc and yards from scrimmage were SICK, but because New York decided to do the Ron Dayne expiriment, Barber doesn't get the credit he deserves for being one of the truly elite RBs in the NFL. I'd rather have him than Tomlinson on my team at this point in time.
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This guy gets it, outside of dismissing Alexander, Martin and Bettis.
 
No, he should not get in the HOF. I like Tiki and I think he has had a nice run...but not a HOF career.....I don't think TD should get in either. The HOF is about being great over time not for 3-4 years!

 
Another stat to throw at you guys:

Tiki led the Giants in rushing for the 70th consecutive game. The former record holder was Barry Sanders who led the Lions in rushing in 68 straight games.

 
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

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Rank  Player		Yards10.   E Dickerson   1539611.   T Brown	   1512412.   J Bettis	  1511113.   R Watters	 1489114.   J Brown	   1481115.   F Harris	  1440716.   T Barber	  14373
 
Blick said:
Edited to add: I think LT, Alexander, and Holmes have something to say about Tiki being the best back 4 out of the last 5 years.
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1) I said "one of"2) LT includes "one of" in my book.3) Tiki is a much more complete back than Alexander.4) Bettis is a compiler. I dunno if I'd consider him one of the best backs in the league for any length of time during his career.
 
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Todem said:
zdaddy said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Yes absolutely no question in my book. He has been one of THE best RBs in the league 3 years running and 4 of the last 5 years. The NFL HOF rewards dominance, there's no need for him to pad his overall stats. I'd put him in over Bettis and Curtis Martin if I could only take 1 of the 3.
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If I was a GM, just starting a team and CMART, Bettis and Tiki were availiable at the same time as rookies, I would take Tiki. He brings much more than those others.With that said, CMART is the only one listed there that I think belongs in the HOF. He put up solid numbers over a long period of time and was very durrable.Bettis didn't even average 4.0 yards per carry. He got a lot of hype the last part of his career for being a goal line back. It is a sad day with goal line backs start making the hall.Tiki is hanging it up to soon. He has had only 6 1000 yard seasons. And yes, his yards from scrimmage totals are great, but hey, he is no Roger Craig. And Roger Craig was a big part in his team winning superbowls. The Giants won A superbowl, because of the defense. Tiki shared the backfield with Ron Dayne that year. Roger Craig, I don't think he is in the HOF yet? Maybe I am wrong.
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The Giants lost that Super Bowl to the Ravens. Tiki has not won a Super Bowl yet.
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:doh: , makes the point stronger I guess.
 
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

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Rank  Player		Yards10.   E Dickerson   1539611.   T Brown	   1512412.   J Bettis	  1511113.   R Watters	 1489114.   J Brown	   1481115.   F Harris	  1440716.   T Barber	  14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
 
nag said:
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

Rank Player Yards10. E Dickerson 1539611. T Brown 1512412. J Bettis 1511113. R Watters 1489114. J Brown 1481115. F Harris 1440716. T Barber 14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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I'm not sure how much the bolded part has ever helped anyone. It can be argued it's hurt some on the opposite side, like Michael Irvin, but I can't think of players with subpar talent/numbers who got in because they were good. Art Monk would have been in a long time ago if voters cared about being a good citizen.ETA: Art Monk must work his way into every HOF discussion.

 
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dgreen said:
nag said:
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

Rank Player Yards10. E Dickerson 1539611. T Brown 1512412. J Bettis 1511113. R Watters 1489114. J Brown 1481115. F Harris 1440716. T Barber 14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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I'm not sure how much the bolded part has ever helped anyone. It can be argued it's hurt some on the opposite side, like Michael Irvin, but I can't think of players with subpar talent/numbers who got in because they were good. Art Monk would have been in a long time ago if voters cared about being a good citizen.ETA: Art Monk must work his way into every HOF discussion.
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Monk never led the league in anything like Tiki has and was never really part of the "best in the league" discussion as Tiki has been the last 3 years. Monk was a stat compiler, and even then, his final numbers as a reciever are not as impressive as Tiki's are, as an all-around running back.
 
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nag said:
dgreen said:
nag said:
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

Rank Player Yards10. E Dickerson 1539611. T Brown 1512412. J Bettis 1511113. R Watters 1489114. J Brown 1481115. F Harris 1440716. T Barber 14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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I'm not sure how much the bolded part has ever helped anyone. It can be argued it's hurt some on the opposite side, like Michael Irvin, but I can't think of players with subpar talent/numbers who got in because they were good. Art Monk would have been in a long time ago if voters cared about being a good citizen.ETA: Art Monk must work his way into every HOF discussion.
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Monk never led the league in anything like Tiki has and was never really part of the "best in the league" discussion as Tiki has been the last 3 years. Monk was a stat compiler, and even then, his final numbers as a reciever are not as impressive as Tiki's are, as an all-around running back.
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But, he was a model citizen. I'm just saying being a good citizen hasn't netted anyone any points for the HOF as far as I know.I'm not going to argue Monk vs. Barber.

 
dgreen said:
nag said:
dgreen said:
nag said:
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

Rank Player Yards10. E Dickerson 1539611. T Brown 1512412. J Bettis 1511113. R Watters 1489114. J Brown 1481115. F Harris 1440716. T Barber 14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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I'm not sure how much the bolded part has ever helped anyone. It can be argued it's hurt some on the opposite side, like Michael Irvin, but I can't think of players with subpar talent/numbers who got in because they were good. Art Monk would have been in a long time ago if voters cared about being a good citizen.ETA: Art Monk must work his way into every HOF discussion.
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Monk never led the league in anything like Tiki has and was never really part of the "best in the league" discussion as Tiki has been the last 3 years. Monk was a stat compiler, and even then, his final numbers as a reciever are not as impressive as Tiki's are, as an all-around running back.
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But, he was a model citizen. I'm just saying being a good citizen hasn't netted anyone any points for the HOF as far as I know.I'm not going to argue Monk vs. Barber.
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You shouldn't because you'd lose. If you re-read what I said, Tiki's intangibles will ADD to his HOF admission, not be the REASON he gets in.

 
As I was watching last night, I got to thinking that it was a shame that Tiki was retiring because he is probably 3 seasons away from the Hall.

 
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If you re-read what I said, Tiki's intangibles will ADD to his HOF admission, not be the REASON he gets in.
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You can add it all you want, but my opinion is you are adding pretty much nothing in the eyes of voters.You said:
coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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My point is you could have said the following and been just as right or wrong:
coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like having a great smile and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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Chase Stuart said:
SSOG said:
I would rather put Barber in than Shaun Alexander, or really anyone from this era other than Faulk and Tomlinson (even Terrell Davis, who I also think is very deserving of the hall). People only say "Hall of Very Good" because Barber was so underrated. His ypc and yards from scrimmage were SICK, but because New York decided to do the Ron Dayne expiriment, Barber doesn't get the credit he deserves for being one of the truly elite RBs in the NFL. I'd rather have him than Tomlinson on my team at this point in time.
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This guy gets it, outside of dismissing Alexander, Martin and Bettis.
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I'm not dissing Alexander, I just don't think he's a HoFer. I consider Martin and Bettis more '90s backs than '00s backs (which I realize is sort of irrational, since I listed Davis as an RB from this "era" even though he and Curtis were drafted in the same year). Either way, I SERIOUSLY hope Bettis doesn't get into the HoF. Great guy, good leader, 3.9 career ypc.
 
Rushing | Receiving |

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| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

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| 1997 nyg | 12 | 136 511 3.8 3 | 34 299 8.8 1 |

| 1998 nyg | 16 | 52 166 3.2 0 | 42 348 8.3 3 |

| 1999 nyg | 16 | 62 258 4.2 0 | 66 609 9.2 2 |

| 2000 nyg | 16 | 213 1006 4.7 8 | 70 719 10.3 1 |

| 2001 nyg | 14 | 166 865 5.2 4 | 72 577 8.0 0 |

| 2002 nyg | 16 | 303 1386 4.6 11 | 69 597 8.7 0 |

| 2003 nyg | 16 | 278 1216 4.4 2 | 69 461 6.7 1 |

97: 511 yds, 3 TDs

98: 166 yds, 0 TD

99: 258 yds, 0 TD

00: 1,006 yds, 8 TDs

01: 865 yds, 4 TDs

02: 1386 yds, 11 TDs

03: 1216 yds, 2 TDs

His avg over his 1st 7 season just rushing the football is 772 yds, and 4 rushing TDs per season.

Other RBs of his era like Curtis Martin(1,323 yds/9TDs), Marshall Faulk (1,135yds/10 TDs), Emmitt Smith(1,442/15 TDs)...Tiki's numbers pale in comparison to these guys all of whom also could catch out of the backfield like Tiki...I am just going on pure rushing numbers as the Hall typically looks at that otherwise Larry Centers and Keith Byars would be HoF candidates for their receiving abilities. It's just icing on the cake for most of the RB I highlighted.

His numbers the past 2.5 seasons are really good...but it doesn't put him in Canton. Now maybe he should go into the FBG Hall of Fame for FF owners...that is something he could be considered for...he would have to pound out 2-3 more years at this level to make the Hall.

 
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I don't think these are HOF caliber #'s:

Year Opp Result | RSH YD TD | REC YD TD---------------------+-----------------+----------------- 1997 min L,22-23 | 17 29 0 | 3 31 0 2000 phi W,20-10 | 15 35 0 | 3 13 0 2000 min W,41-0 | 12 69 0 | 4 21 0*2000 bal L,7-34 | 11 49 0 | 6 26 0 2002 sfo L,38-39 | 26 115 1 | 5 62 0 2005 car L,0-23 | 13 41 0 | 3 28 0---------------------+-----------------+-----------------TOTAL | 94 338 1 | 24 181 0Tiki's playoff record. One decent game. Thats 3.60 YPC for his playoff career.That being said, he plays in NY so he has an excellent shot.

 
Tiki Barber = Priest Holmes. Solid overall career with 2 or 3 monstrous years. Could have been more had he stayed around longer. Not much more to analyze than that IMHO.

 
nag said:
dgreen said:
With just 1024 more yards from scrimmage, Tiki will be 10th all time.

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Rank  Player		Yards10.   E Dickerson   1539611.   T Brown	   1512412.   J Bettis	  1511113.   R Watters	 1489114.   J Brown	   1481115.   F Harris	  1440716.   T Barber	  14373
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Barring injury, he will get those 1000+ yards this year and as 10th best in YFS, coupled with all of his on-the-field crudentials, including intagibles like being a model citizen and a fan/league/player favorite, he will be a LOCK to get in.
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I think this says enough. If he is top 10 all time in yards from scrimmage (and didnt compile it over 20 mediocre seasons) how can he not be in the Hall?Top 10 is not 1 of the all time great?What else would you like him to do? Would he have to get to top 5 to get in?I think if he retired today he may have a good shot of getting in. 14,000 + yards is nothing to scoff at.
 
I think the thing people have to realize is that by the time Tiki is eligible for the HOF (2011, if he retires this year) is that there are so many RB's coming up behind him that will eclipse him. Plus, take a guy like Warrick Dunn. He's less than 2000 total yards away from Barber in this category and on his forecasted production for the remainder of this year alone, probably could vault as many as 10-11 spots.

Dunn is no HOF'er (HOF person yes, HOF player, no).

 
Seems to me that Tiki is kind of caught in the middle in terms of his accomplishments. He’s played extremely well over the last few years, but his performance doesn’t compare to the great 3-4 year stretches put up by Terrell Davis or Priest Holmes. Tiki’s career numbers are good but they’re well short of Martin, Bettis, Faulk, and probably Tomlinson and Alexander (and maybe several others) when they get done. He’s made one All-Pro team and two Pro Bowls. Nothing overwhelming. His postseason numbers don’t help him much.

Intangibles can help but I don’t think writers care too much how many old ladies the guy helped across the street. The kind of intangibles that help are being a guy who plays hurt and can carry a team like Tiki’s game against the Chiefs last year. Tiki does have that reputation now (so does Hines Ward), but the problem is you have to wait five years after retirement until you’re eligible. By that time, memories fade and numbers are more important and too many guys will have better numbers. Tiki doesn’t have enough other “stuff” to overcome that. The YPC is probably his most impressive credential. It wouldn’t bother me if he got in.

As for New York bias, does it really exist? Other than possibly Joe Namath, what players are in the Hall that might not be if they didn’t play in New York? Harry Carson had to wait a lot longer than he should have.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I think the thing people have to realize is that by the time Tiki is eligible for the HOF (2011, if he retires this year) is that there are so many RB's coming up behind him that will eclipse him. Plus, take a guy like Warrick Dunn. He's less than 2000 total yards away from Barber in this category and on his forecasted production for the remainder of this year alone, probably could vault as many as 10-11 spots.

Dunn is no HOF'er (HOF person yes, HOF player, no).
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All-time leaders

1. J Rice 23540

2. E Smith 21579

3. W Payton 21264

4. M Faulk 19154

5. B Sanders 18190

6. M Allen 17654

7. C Martin 17430

8. T Thomas 16532

9. T Dorsett 16293

10. E Dickerson 15396

11. T Brown 15124

12. J Bettis 15111

13. R Watters 14891

14. J Brown 14811

15. F Harris 14407

16. *T Barber 14373

29. *M Harrison 12874

31. *I Bruce 12820

33. *E James 12634

34. *C Dillon 12545

35. *W Dunn 12524

41. *R Smith 11430

43. *T Owens 11069

45. P Holmes 10980

46. *K McCardell 10925

48. *F Taylor 10908
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People behind Tiki that are active on career YFS ranking are bolded with an asterisk.If Tiki stays healthy and finishes his career as Top 10 on this list, then he'll get in...and deservedly so.

 
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Players not in the HOF that will go before Tiki:

Thurman Thomas: 12034 rush yards, 4458 rec yards, 88 TDs/5 ProBowls, 4 Superbowl appearances, 1 MVP

Marshall Faulk: 12279 rush yards, 6875 rec yards, 136 TDs/7 ProBowls, 1 Superbowl win, 1 MVP

Curtis Martin: 14101 rush yards, 3329 rec yards, 100 TDs/5 ProBowls

Then you got younger guys like:

Tomlinson: 10472 total yards, 88 TDs (averaging 1900+ per season)

Alexander: 9413 total yards, 102 TDs (averaging 1500+ per season)

Portis: 7658 total yards, 55 TDs (averaging 1700+ per season)

who all have a chance to eclipse Tiki before he would be eligible to be voted in the HOF.

 
What's the status of Faulk, Martin, and Holmes for the HOF? None of them have officially retired, right? Does that mean this year off doesn't count towards their five years? Do they have to officially retire then their five-year clock starts?

If so, and they all retire this year, Barber will have some serious competition right away, especially if Bettis doesn't get in on the first ballot as I assume will happen.

 
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