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Mike Vick anyone have him producing this year (1 Viewer)
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I have always been a Vick believer, and considering his rushing yards, can't say he has been a disappointment with the exception that it sucks watching him throw at times. However, at his current ADP I would be a taker if given the chance- 14 team IDP redraft, I targeted him at 6.12 but he went 6.05.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I drafted him in round 9. I can't stand him as a QB, but it was freaking round 9. 
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Vick was so overhyped coming in that he's seen as a disappointment "only" being a top-10 QB. But with a baseline as top-10 and upside being top-3, it's tough to not pull the trigger when 10, 11 QBs go off the board ahead of him.For what it's worth, I was ecstatic to take him in the 9th round of a 10-team draft today (10th QB taken). I nabbed Brooks and Plummer later.
Mark Wimer
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Vick is the most frustrating talent to enter the NFL in the last 5 years (or so) from the fantasy perspective, IMO. I live in Macon GA and get innundated with Vick news, highlights, etc., and I believe the following sincerely.
When he is dialed in, Vick can dominate a game. He throws laser passes (at times) that hit guys between the numbers, or just on their fingertips (when that's the throw that needs to be made). He forces opposing defenses to dedicate a player to shadow him. His highlight reel is jaw-dropping.
However, he just isn't consistent, and his passing mechanics are to blame. IMO, Michael Vick bought into the hype about him being a world-beater, and has failed to progress as a pro. The coaching staff in Atlanta has done everything they can to accomodate his skill set, but he still has games where all the Georgians I know start calling for Matt Schaub. Look at his game logs from 2005 here. The question prospective Vick owners need to ask themselves is this: Am I willing to absorb several games in the range of week 15 2005 (13/32 for 122 yards, 0 TDs and 2 interceptions with 6/35/0 rushing (vs. Chicago)) in exchange for several games like week 11 (21/38 for 306 yards, 2 TDs and 0 interceptions, with 4/17/0 rushing, vs. Tampa Bay).
I selected those examples to illustrate this post because they were both games against quality defenses. Trying to play matchups and make a call when Vick will blow up is very challenging. That's why I call him the most frustrating talent in the NFL over the last 5 years. In my experience, he can blow up for a huge game anytime, regardless of the opposing defense. When he's on his game, he's that good. When he mails a game in, he really tanks bigtime.
My .02.
When he is dialed in, Vick can dominate a game. He throws laser passes (at times) that hit guys between the numbers, or just on their fingertips (when that's the throw that needs to be made). He forces opposing defenses to dedicate a player to shadow him. His highlight reel is jaw-dropping.
However, he just isn't consistent, and his passing mechanics are to blame. IMO, Michael Vick bought into the hype about him being a world-beater, and has failed to progress as a pro. The coaching staff in Atlanta has done everything they can to accomodate his skill set, but he still has games where all the Georgians I know start calling for Matt Schaub. Look at his game logs from 2005 here. The question prospective Vick owners need to ask themselves is this: Am I willing to absorb several games in the range of week 15 2005 (13/32 for 122 yards, 0 TDs and 2 interceptions with 6/35/0 rushing (vs. Chicago)) in exchange for several games like week 11 (21/38 for 306 yards, 2 TDs and 0 interceptions, with 4/17/0 rushing, vs. Tampa Bay).
I selected those examples to illustrate this post because they were both games against quality defenses. Trying to play matchups and make a call when Vick will blow up is very challenging. That's why I call him the most frustrating talent in the NFL over the last 5 years. In my experience, he can blow up for a huge game anytime, regardless of the opposing defense. When he's on his game, he's that good. When he mails a game in, he really tanks bigtime.
My .02.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
From a FF perspective, Vick is no less consistent than such rock-solid icons as Trent Green or Matt Hasselbeck (or Peyton Manning, for that matter). Several here have posted the numbers so many times (& recently, too) that I'm not going to go look for them right now. Look up how many games Vick scored in single digits compared to Green or Manning. Look at how many weeks he scored within, say, 5 or 6 pts of his average; then look at the others.What people seem to have a hard time dealing with is the fact that he gets his FF points differently than most QBs. But he still gets them, which is all that matters to me. To throw his numbers out there & say "he's inconsistent - look" without doing the same for his peers can lead to misinterpretations. You can't look at any one player's stats in a vacuum & say he's more or less anything.
From an NFL QB perspective, I can see how he can be maddening (although he wins). From a FF perspective, he's no worse than many of his more "solid" peers - though, without looking it up, he seems to get hurt more than many of the others; if you're counting that as part of being inconsistent, I can't srgue.
One caveat: if your league devalues running QBs much more than "normal", Vick loses some of his value (duh).
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I do not like Vick, up front. I just drafted a big money league though with this scoring
Number of Passing TDs 0-10 4 points each
Passing Yards 0-999 .033 point for every 1
Passing Yards 300-999 3
Pass Completions 0-99 .4 point for every 1
Pass Interceptions Thrown 0-10 -2 points each
Passing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 0-10 6 points each
Rushing Yards 0-999 .1 point for every 1
Rushing Yards 50-999 3
Rush Attempts 0-99 .2 points each
Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Number of Receiving TDs 0-10 6 points each
Receiving Yards 0-999 .1 point for every 1
Receiving Yards 50-999 3
Receptions 0-99 1 point each
Receiving 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 0-10 -2 points each
With points for rushing attempts, and a 3 point bonus for 50 yards and greater rushing yards ....... I'm expecting Vick to be a top 5 QB in this scoring, and possibly top 3 if he plays all 16 games.
Number of Passing TDs 0-10 4 points each
Passing Yards 0-999 .033 point for every 1
Passing Yards 300-999 3
Pass Completions 0-99 .4 point for every 1
Pass Interceptions Thrown 0-10 -2 points each
Passing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 0-10 6 points each
Rushing Yards 0-999 .1 point for every 1
Rushing Yards 50-999 3
Rush Attempts 0-99 .2 points each
Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Number of Receiving TDs 0-10 6 points each
Receiving Yards 0-999 .1 point for every 1
Receiving Yards 50-999 3
Receptions 0-99 1 point each
Receiving 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 0-10 -2 points each
With points for rushing attempts, and a 3 point bonus for 50 yards and greater rushing yards ....... I'm expecting Vick to be a top 5 QB in this scoring, and possibly top 3 if he plays all 16 games.
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Read a Donte Stallworth thread lately and reading this reminded me of it, in that we have a player that's been overhyped due to various reasons (mostly talent) and just hasn't performed (as expected). But with the collective short attention spans of FFer's these kind of players get labeled and tossed aside for the most part. The "inconsistent" thing came up constantly with Donte, as well...while it just wasn't true of late. People actually get spiteful to a degree, which is silly, and will kind of make things up to bolster their opinion. They feel they've been burned and such. Good.
All that does is beget value at some point and I think we're there finally. Stallworth as well, but that's a little different story now...
Come to think of it, Drew Brees (of a few year's back) is another example. Anyway, I took Vick late 9th in a 12-team and was ecstatic. The only concern for me at this point is his schedule...but so be it.
All that does is beget value at some point and I think we're there finally. Stallworth as well, but that's a little different story now...
Come to think of it, Drew Brees (of a few year's back) is another example. Anyway, I took Vick late 9th in a 12-team and was ecstatic. The only concern for me at this point is his schedule...but so be it.
patriarchz
Footballguy
Yeah, it should be obvious by now that Vick will never be a superstar talent for FF or in pro football (sorry ATL fans, you'll never win the Superbowl with Vick). However, he may be a serviceable FF backup (even though I prefer consistent players for my backups) and if he starts strong he can be great trade bait. He does have a big name so his trade value can be high.
I drafted him in the 11th round of my draft, so my hunch is that no one in my league wants him. But I just couldn't let him sit there. He's my 3rd QB, but it was the 11th round! How could I not pick him up?
I drafted him in the 11th round of my draft, so my hunch is that no one in my league wants him. But I just couldn't let him sit there. He's my 3rd QB, but it was the 11th round! How could I not pick him up?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Defending Champs
Footballguy
I spent a whole bunch of money in our auction early and was left without a QB.
With my couple bucks left over, I found a way to bring him in as my starter LATE in the draft. I actually felt pretty lucky considering the circumstances.
I am from North Atlanta, so I hear ALL the good and ALL the bad listening to the radio around here, it'll be fun to watch.
I do like the fact that this is his third year in this offense. If he doesn't get it this year, he never will.
With my couple bucks left over, I found a way to bring him in as my starter LATE in the draft. I actually felt pretty lucky considering the circumstances.
I am from North Atlanta, so I hear ALL the good and ALL the bad listening to the radio around here, it'll be fun to watch.
I do like the fact that this is his third year in this offense. If he doesn't get it this year, he never will.
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hutch
Footballguy
In a ten team league (start 7: QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR-PK), I drafted him as my QB2 in the 11th round. He was the 14th QB taken. My thought was purely "high-risk / high-reward". He is still one of the most exciting QB's in the league. He absolutley has the tools to be successful in the NFL. Finally, this is the third year using Jim Mora's and Greg Knapp's offensive system. Obviously Crumpler has demonstrated himself to be successful; we will see if the trio of Jenkins, White, and Lelie is worth anything. With a 31-year old Warrick Dunn and the loss of TJ, it would seem that the Falcons have to rely on the passing game more in 2006. Norwood can assist but I don't think that he is the complete answer.
Vick is definitiely not a lock to be a top NFL or fantasy QB in 2006. However, considering where he is being drafted he may represent value for the first time in his career.
Vick is definitiely not a lock to be a top NFL or fantasy QB in 2006. However, considering where he is being drafted he may represent value for the first time in his career.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
I've never been a Vick owner, until this year.
As many have indicated, this is probably one of, if not, the first year he actually represents value.
In one of my leagues, a TD only league (with no penalties for turnovers), I grabbed him as the 17th QB off the board and couldn't be happier with him as my QB1.
In the 3 seasons he's played 15 games (albeit a rather small sample size), he's averaged 15 passing TD's. While they're not world-beaters this is probably the best group of WR's Vick has had in his career, combined with the off-season work he put in with Jenkins and White I see no reason why Vick can't add 2 to 3 more passing TD's to his average giving him a floor of 17 passing TD's. In those same three 15-game seasons, AND with Duckett as one of the better GL backs in the league, Vick has scored 5.6 TD's on the ground. Without Duckett I can see Vick running for at least 6.
That's a floor of 23 TD's with the potential for more. With that potential, comes the injury risk that he has because of all his free-lancing. I'm still willing to take that risk and hope this is the year that he puts it all together. If not, I didn't burn an early pick on him and I'll still have a capable backup to use instead.
As many have indicated, this is probably one of, if not, the first year he actually represents value.
In one of my leagues, a TD only league (with no penalties for turnovers), I grabbed him as the 17th QB off the board and couldn't be happier with him as my QB1.
In the 3 seasons he's played 15 games (albeit a rather small sample size), he's averaged 15 passing TD's. While they're not world-beaters this is probably the best group of WR's Vick has had in his career, combined with the off-season work he put in with Jenkins and White I see no reason why Vick can't add 2 to 3 more passing TD's to his average giving him a floor of 17 passing TD's. In those same three 15-game seasons, AND with Duckett as one of the better GL backs in the league, Vick has scored 5.6 TD's on the ground. Without Duckett I can see Vick running for at least 6.
That's a floor of 23 TD's with the potential for more. With that potential, comes the injury risk that he has because of all his free-lancing. I'm still willing to take that risk and hope this is the year that he puts it all together. If not, I didn't burn an early pick on him and I'll still have a capable backup to use instead.
njxbean
Footballguy
I think this is a rediculous statement. Look at what vick has to work with. A terrible o line and no wrs. COnstanly changing ofensive systems. Still HE WINS. Look at his stats. he SINGLE HANDEDLY brought his team to the playoffs on two occasions. Vick doesnt have to have a stellar game to make a difference. Just him being on the field sometimes messes up a defenses scheme. God forbid the man ever gets some decent recievers and some time in the pocket!
Crimson Hawk
Axis of Evel
I paid $7 for Vick in a $100 auction league. I had him valued at $10 so I was happy with that buy. He will probably end up on the bench in favor of Brooks ($2.50) though.
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