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A. Johnson to be hindered by injury: Texans WR Andre Johnson indicated on Monday that his sprained right ankle could trouble him for a while. "The doctors said I'm going to feel pain," he said. "They said you just have to come out for a few plays, and once the pain goes away you can go (back) in." Johnson, who originally suffered the injury last week at Washington, had four catches for 64 yards on seven targets in Sunday's loss to the Cowboys.
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Though Johnson aggravated his sprained right ankle Sunday, he expects to play in Week 4 at Oakland. He told reporters that he feels "about the same" as he did last week and will approach the matchup against the Raiders the same way. Fantasy owners should obviously continue to monitor this development as it could effect his playing time. Johnson has 19 catches for 255 yards and one touchdown on the year and remains a must-start Fantasy WR in all leagues, when healthy. Keep an eye on his status for Week 4, but plan on keeping him in your lineup.
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The Texans Doctors sound like complete ####### dealing with a high ankle sprain like this. I wished they would let him have a week or two off. How can you bank on his production if you dont know if he will play entire games or not?
 
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Exactly what I've been wondering- how does he heal if he continues to play on it.. Would seem smarter to give him a week off or even 2 and get him 100% vs. playing 3/4 of a game and putting up avg #'s while continuing to prolong the injury.

 
Some ankle injuries won't heal with a couple weeks off. Some take a couple months (Or more) of no strenuous activity to heal fully. Yet, you might be able to play at 90% with it taped up well. If that's the situation you might as well play the hand. There would be no since folding and putting AJ on the shelf for 8-10 games.

Lot's of variables...

 
the said:
wouldnt a game vs Asomugha be a perfect week to let him rest?!
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I was thinking something like that. Maybe they're getting all 'Svengali' on Andre and intend to run him out there as nothing more than a decoy to keep Asomugha 'busy?' :excited: Unlikely, since after about 5 snaps you'd assume the defense would be able to tell he couldn't make plays and adjust.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
the said:
wouldnt a game vs Asomugha be a perfect week to let him rest?!
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I was thinking something like that. Maybe they're getting all 'Svengali' on Andre and intend to run him out there as nothing more than a decoy to keep Asomugha 'busy?' :D Unlikely, since after about 5 snaps you'd assume the defense would be able to tell he couldn't make plays and adjust.
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That's what I would do. Leave him out there and keep alphabet soup on a guy that isn't going to get the ball. Basically taking him out of the game with an injured player. They win 10 on 10. Better than having soup guard Walter and J. Jones.
 
FavreCo said:
5-ish Finkle said:
the said:
wouldnt a game vs Asomugha be a perfect week to let him rest?!
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I was thinking something like that. Maybe they're getting all 'Svengali' on Andre and intend to run him out there as nothing more than a decoy to keep Asomugha 'busy?' :) Unlikely, since after about 5 snaps you'd assume the defense would be able to tell he couldn't make plays and adjust.
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That's what I would do. Leave him out there and keep alphabet soup on a guy that isn't going to get the ball. Basically taking him out of the game with an injured player. They win 10 on 10. Better than having soup guard Walter and J. Jones.
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Then if soup does cover the other wrs, Andre can burn the #2 straight sandlot style. Dude, why aren't we head coaches?
 
Badgers Fan said:
Andre hurt his ankle vs Washington. Then he came back and made this play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdC8U_AIjS8...feature=related

If he plays vs oakland he's in my line up. Case closed.
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The case isn't closed at all. A lot of times soft tissue injuries are worse a day or two or more later than they are when the injury occurs, due to swelling and inflammation. A few things concern me. He looked lousy on that INT, like he simply couldn't get downfield. He's got an excellent emerging WR across from him in Jones who can make plays now, not to mention Foster who they can lean on. In other words they don't need to target him in order to be competitive, though of course they'd love to have him in there producing. They're also going to be against a solid secondary in Oakland.

We simply won't know whether he can play on Sunday until Sunday comes, short of them declaring him "out" for the game during the week. I'm strongly considering starting Forsett as my flex over him in a PPR league, but that's a tough call given the doubt.

 
Texans coach Gary Kubiak isn’t ruling out the possibility of giving Andre Johnson (ankle) a week off.

“I’ll evaluate it,” said Kubiak. “Obviously, he’s not feeling good today, but we don’t think there was a big setback or anything. He will be day-to-day and we will be smart with Andre Johnson. We’ve got a long way to go.” The Texans head to Oakland for Week 4. Look for A.J. to again be listed as questionable.

Source: houstontexans.com

 
Couch Potato did a study a few years back and found that players actually averaged slightly more points per game when they were on the injury report as "questionable" or "doubtful" than they did when they weren't on the injury report at all. Granted, it was such a small increase that it was almost certainly just statistical noise (iirc, it was under 5% difference), but the larger point to take from it all is that, as long as they're healthy enough to play, you should expect players to perform just as well whether they're nursing an injury or not. If the injury is really severe enough to hamper their production, it's severe enough for the coach to shut them down for the week.

 
Thoughts of Michael Turner and his mismanaged high ankle sprain comes to mind.

I've watched all the Texans games for about three years now and after the injury in Washington, I really couldn't tell any difference in him. However, after the one against Dallas, there was a noticeable difference. I like having him in my lineup in the one league I have him in but I think I would almost be relieved if they just sit him this week. Its a long season and I want him as healthy as possible later and I am thinking the Texans would like that too.

Plus, it makes it an easier decision for me in FF: I'm not sure about starting him against Asomugha. In the past two years, AJ has had 2-catch and 3-catch games against the Raiders. He limits WRs on his own and I kind of think this may be one of those games where the Texans run the ball more, get a lead, and don't really throw as much. In that case, especially if the Texans have control of the game, I could see them pulling AJ in the 4th quarter. It could easily blow up in my face but I think I am going with someone else this week since I have decent options.

 
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SSOG said:
Couch Potato did a study a few years back and found that players actually averaged slightly more points per game when they were on the injury report as "questionable" or "doubtful" than they did when they weren't on the injury report at all. Granted, it was such a small increase that it was almost certainly just statistical noise (iirc, it was under 5% difference), but the larger point to take from it all is that, as long as they're healthy enough to play, you should expect players to perform just as well whether they're nursing an injury or not. If the injury is really severe enough to hamper their production, it's severe enough for the coach to shut them down for the week.
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I'd be very interested in seeing that study split between upper body injury and lower body injury for RB/WR/TE because I've done my own independent study playing FF for 17 years and (granted, it's just a gut feeling) it doesn't feel like that's true. But I'll also admit that maybe I just tend to remember the correct calls (when I sit a guy on IR and it pans out) and forget about the others.
 
Can't see them sitting him unless he's really hurting bad. They have a BYE after the next 3 games, he can rest then.

 
SSOG said:
Couch Potato did a study a few years back and found that players actually averaged slightly more points per game when they were on the injury report as "questionable" or "doubtful" than they did when they weren't on the injury report at all. Granted, it was such a small increase that it was almost certainly just statistical noise (iirc, it was under 5% difference), but the larger point to take from it all is that, as long as they're healthy enough to play, you should expect players to perform just as well whether they're nursing an injury or not. If the injury is really severe enough to hamper their production, it's severe enough for the coach to shut them down for the week.
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That's interesting - I'd missed CP's post on that - however this concerns me because they're already talking about him intermittently missing plays when the pain becomes too great, which will limit his snaps. He may be just as effective when on the field, however that doesn't mean that the net result is less than his normal output. That's not your normal situation even on an injury report.
 
FantasyTrader said:
I'd be very interested in seeing that study split between upper body injury and lower body injury for RB/WR/TE because I've done my own independent study playing FF for 17 years and (granted, it's just a gut feeling) it doesn't feel like that's true. But I'll also admit that maybe I just tend to remember the correct calls (when I sit a guy on IR and it pans out) and forget about the others.
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You'd have to ask CP about it. I searched for it earlier, but I think it's been purged.
Nightly Mistake said:
That's interesting - I'd missed CP's post on that - however this concerns me because they're already talking about him intermittently missing plays when the pain becomes too great, which will limit his snaps. He may be just as effective when on the field, however that doesn't mean that the net result is less than his normal output. That's not your normal situation even on an injury report.
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Every player only has so many plays designed to go to them. Even the infamous "Randy Ratio" only called for Moss to get 40% of the targets. If Healthy Andre would be on the field for 60 snaps and targeted on 12 of them, it's possible Hobbled Andre would be on the field for 30 snaps and targeted... on 12 of them still. Fewer snaps does not necessarily mean "less involved in the offense".It's also possible that defenses, seeing that he's hobbled, don't cover him nearly as tightly as they usually would, which results in a strange Nash equilibrium where Andre's coverage is dependent on Andre's effectiveness and the net result is that Andre gets open with the exact same frequency either way.

The point is, there are lots of possible explanations for the phenomenon where players score the same whether they're on the injury report or not. I don't know which one is the correct one, all I know is that players do, in fact, score the same whether they're on the injury report or not.

 
VS Oak with Asomugha on him hes been horrible...last 3 meetings 5 catches TOTAL no TD's.........I wish I had the guts to sit him this week. Between his ankle and his opponent, he might be better off on our benches. What do you think???

 
I am torn...part of me think that if AJ plays it will make starting Jacoby Jones over him almost impossible. Another part of me thinks that if AJ plays he will be a really great decoy, occupy Asomugha and allow Jacoby Jones to have some open space.

 
He's in my bench right now. Roddy white, S. Moss and L. Murpny in my flex right now. I'll be keeping a close eye on the injury reports this week.

 
Roto: Though he remains optimistic about playing in Week 4, Andre Johnson admitted Wednesday that his high ankle sprain is "more sore" this week than last after aggravating the injury in Week 3.

We're starting to get the sense that Johnson won't play against the Raiders, which might be the best move for all parties. The Texans can win at Oakland with a run-first approach, and Jacoby Jones and Kevin Walter at wide receiver. "They're pretty nagging," said Johnson of high ankle sprains. "It’s something that’s going to bother me until it just fully heals."

 
emge said:
He's in my bench right now. Roddy white, S. Moss and L. Murpny in my flex right now. I'll be keeping a close eye on the injury reports this week.
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+1. He'll be on my bench, but admittedly I have the luxury of going Wayne, Calvin, Floyd with AJ riding the pine.
 
My WRs:

AJ- sore ankle

Nicks- seems to be ok

Maclin- hurt

Tampa Mike- BYE

Manningham- concussion

this week is going to be a disaster

 
the moops said:
bshell27 said:
Would this put AJ in the Buy Low thread?
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I'm trying this. Sending out a Ahmad Bradshaw + WR/TE help. :shrug: The guy is starting Brandon Jackson and Shonn Greene at RB, but has some decent WR.
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I have been offered AJ for something similar. In the AC forum so I won't repost, but I can't pull the trigger. What is the return time for a HAS? Better question, when will he be 100% from this injury?
 
bshell27 said:
Would this put AJ in the Buy Low thread?
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Buy him as low as you can, I don't think your going to get him for cheap though. High ankle sprain or not, owners are probably going to have to see multiple weeks of no production to be willing to give him up for anything other than another stud.
 
JD8p said:
I am torn...part of me think that if AJ plays it will make starting Jacoby Jones over him almost impossible. Another part of me thinks that if AJ plays he will be a really great decoy, occupy Asomugha and allow Jacoby Jones to have some open space.
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I like the Jones play much better if AJ actually attempts to play. If AJ's out I wouldn't want to have him matched up on Asomugha.
 
cstu said:
JD8p said:
I am torn...part of me think that if AJ plays it will make starting Jacoby Jones over him almost impossible. Another part of me thinks that if AJ plays he will be a really great decoy, occupy Asomugha and allow Jacoby Jones to have some open space.
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I like the Jones play much better if AJ actually attempts to play. If AJ's out I wouldn't want to have him matched up on Asomugha.
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the question is, if AJ is hobbled and thus limited, does OAK stick Asomugha on him or on another more able receiver who could run loose? and which will that be, Jones or Walter?
 
bshell27 said:
I have been offered AJ for something similar. In the AC forum so I won't repost, but I can't pull the trigger. What is the return time for a HAS? Better question, when will he be 100% from this injury?
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100% is a myth. Nobody in the NFL is ever 100% past week 1 of training camps. Except for maybe the kickers/punters and the backup QBs. AJ probably won't be 100% over the high ankle sprain until sometime this offseason, but I don't know how much that really matters as long as he's able to play through the pain and he isn't at risk to aggravate it.
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I like the Jones play much better if AJ actually attempts to play. If AJ's out I wouldn't want to have him matched up on Asomugha.
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Asomugha might well be matched up on Kevin Walter if AJ is out. It's not like Jacoby commands that much respect from opposing defenses.
 
Phrenchdude said:
the question is, if AJ is hobbled and thus limited, does OAK stick Asomugha on him or on another more able receiver who could run loose? and which will that be, Jones or Walter?
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Asomugha will cover AJ if he is in the game. Whether or not he is used as a decoy or not, the Raiders will have to assume that a gimpy AJ is still more dangerous than Jones or Walter.If AJ is inactive, it's hard to say which of the wides that Aso will cover. Jones and Walter are like 2A and 2B. I'd likely not play either Jones or Walter if AJ sits. If AJ plays, he wont get much against Aso, so AJ owners should consider sitting him. But Jones/Walter owners have a nice matchup on the other side against Routt/Huff.I own Walter and have him in my lineup ahead of Lance Moore for comparison.
 
Rick James said:
My WRs:

AJ- sore ankle

Nicks- seems to be ok

Maclin- hurt

Tampa Mike- BYE

Manningham- concussion

this week is going to be a disaster
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:thumbup:
 
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Oakland's strategy toward AJ on Sunday.

- Given the number of weapons the Texans have at their disposal, and the fact that Andre Johnson hasn’t practiced this week with a high ankle sprain, cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha isn’t likely to shadow Houston’s top receiver the way he did Larry Fitzgerald.

“Nnamdi’s not the focal point of this game,’’ defensive coordinator John Marshall said. “If we don’t give an outstanding team effort, so what if 80 catches one ball and you lose the game. That’s not the focus.’’

Johnson was listed as not having practiced, although Cable said he went through individual drills. Houston coach Gary Kubiak said Johnson is a game-time decision, Cable declared him ready to play _ which is the only sensible way to look at it.

“He very much will play. There’s no doubt in our minds,’’ Cable said. “ We don’t even look at it that way. If we did, it really wouldn’t change anything. It may free up a couple of guys to maybe get more involved in some things. He’s going to play so there’s no thought of that.’’

Asked what makes Johnson special, Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt said, “ I think it’s just the animal in him. He’s fast. He’s strong. He’s big. He’s physical. He’s not afraid to go across the middle. He has everything you’d want in a receiver. Everything.
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010...ill-a-long-one/
 
Andre Johnson to be a “game-time decision”

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 30, 2010 7:45 PM ET

Andre Johnson’s ankle injury is getting worse.

The Texans wide receiver missed practice Thursday, which was a change from his routine last week. Johnson said earlier in the week he’s preparing to start against the Raiders, but he also admitted he’s “more sore” than he was a week ago.

Texans coach Gary Kubiak doesn’t sound overly positive.

“To say that he’s a ‘no,’ I don’t see it that way. I think that he’s going to be a game-time decision. Obviously, he’s sorer than he is now than he was last week at this time or would’ve taken in some of the practice. He did run some. It’s not like he didn’t do anything,” Kubiak said.

Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha has done a nice job shutting down A.J. in previous meetings. Of course, the Texans would love to have Johnson have the field even at less than 100% just to free up the other receivers

 
http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=673548-ra...n-andre-johnson

(KFFL) Oakland Raiders CB Nnamdi Asomugha isn't likely to shadow Houston Texans WR Andre Johnson (ankle) this week the same way Asomugha followed around Arizona Cardinals WR Larry Fitzgerald last week, reports ANG Newspapers' Jerry McDonald. "Nnamdi's not the focal point of this game," defensive coordinator John Marshall said. "If we don't give an outstanding team effort, so what if 80 catches one ball and you lose the game. That's not the focus." The Raiders are preparing for their Week 4 game against the Texans as if Johnson, who is considered a game-time decision, will play.

A little bit of good news if he does play, for those of us forced to start him this week.

edit: Overlooked the previous post that basically said the same thing. Doh.

 
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gibfunk said:
FavreCo said:
5-ish Finkle said:
the said:
wouldnt a game vs Asomugha be a perfect week to let him rest?!
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I was thinking something like that. Maybe they're getting all 'Svengali' on Andre and intend to run him out there as nothing more than a decoy to keep Asomugha 'busy?' :lmao: Unlikely, since after about 5 snaps you'd assume the defense would be able to tell he couldn't make plays and adjust.
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That's what I would do. Leave him out there and keep alphabet soup on a guy that isn't going to get the ball. Basically taking him out of the game with an injured player. They win 10 on 10. Better than having soup guard Walter and J. Jones.
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Then if soup does cover the other wrs, Andre can burn the #2 straight sandlot style. Dude, why aren't we head coaches?
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Exactly. Even if Andre's knee is good enough to jog on, and if the docs say it won't impact him later in the year, he should be out there eliminating soup. We are way ahead of coaching staffs in the NFL, particularly Carolina.Oakland must be reading this thread. Putting someone else on a gimpy AJ.
 
Andre Johnson update: platelet-rich plasma therapy

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010...johnsons-ankle/

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/10/01/andre-j...y-on-high-ankl/

Report sheds light Johnson’s ankle

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

Friday, October 1st, 2010 at 6:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Tom Cable said he's certain Andre Johnson will play Sunday when the Raiders host the Houston Texans.

An AOL Fanhouse report suggests Johnson's sprained ankle is serious enough to be getting special treatment.

Namely, “platelet-rich plasma therapy.”

Not sure what that is other than what I just read in the above link, or how effective it is.

But if I'm the Texans, it's Week 4 and I'm playing the Raiders, Johnson is taking the week off.
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Andre Johnson Received Platelet-Rich Plasma Therapy on High-Ankle Sprain1

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Andre Johnson received platelet-rich plasma therapy (commonly known as PRP) to treat his high-ankle sprain, a source told FanHouse.

The injury has left the Pro Bowl wide receiver day-to-day for Sunday's game against the Oakland Raiders. Johnson reinjured his ankle against the Cowboys in a loss on Sunday.

A source told FanHouse that the Texans have used platelet-rich plasma therapy to aid a number of players in healing injuries. The Texans would not confirm Johnson received this form of treatment, citing their policy not to discuss specific health treatment procedures. Johnson's representatives did not respond to a message left by FanHouse.

Platelet-rich plasma therapy is, in a nutshell, using the body's own substances to aid healing. A doctor removes blood from the patient's body, spins the blood in a special centrifuge that concentrates platelets, and then re-injects the platelets into the injured area. The process is used in many sports -- perhaps the most notable example was the use of PRP in getting Hines Ward and Troy Polamalu healthy enough for Super Bowl XL.

In recent years, it has been used for non-athletes, as well, but only those who can afford the expensive treatments. This is primarily because the efficacy of the treatment has not been established through enough studies for insurance companies to warrant spending money on the process.

Some types of injuries respond better to the treatment. Often, players with high-ankle sprains miss a number of games but Johnson was able to play against the Cowboys after receiving this type of injury the week before. Logically, either the injury was not severe or Johnson used some advanced healing methods.

However, he did not have an effective game, at least by his standards, so the Texans may want to give Johnson more time to rest his ankle, regardless of the treatment. Johnson did not practice this week, but did some running on the field on Thursday.
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