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Witten news, may affect Barber stats? (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
Footballguy
Agreed. How many of Barber's TD runs came from outside of 2 yards? Plays like that won't be affected by an increased role for Witten. I think it's logical to expect a decrease in Barber's TDs but not so much because of increased involvement for Witten in the Red Zone.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
ETA: MBIII touched the ball 55 times in the redzone (14 TDs) caught three passes in the redzone for two TDs. That's 58 touches in the redzone
Ranking him #8.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
To answer your question, he had 25 rushes for 31 yds scoring 11 TDs, his two receiving TD were for 3 yds.He got more touches the LJ and LT2 in the redzone ranking him #1. Won't happen this year.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It's obvious you didn't read the entire article.
Pretty much completely disagree.Any time you have a coaching change, it's important to read the tea leaves in the offseason.Witten is a great buy low. Abnormally low TDs, very solid catches/yards. He's entering his prime, and I'm expecting big things from him. And news that they want to be more aggressive with the TE position and the TE is basically the de facto way to attack the tampa 2 which is becoming hugely popular, it's good news for Witten.
David Dodds
Administrator
I am convinced Witten is a huge steal this year. I have identified him as the TE to target in my Perfect Draft piece I just completed for the magazine. At TE8 or later (where he is being drafted), Witten has no downside and a ton of upside. I expect he will be a huge part of this offense (both between the 20s and in the redzone).And I agree that MBIII is going to disappoint a lot of owners this year too.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
There are other reasons to worry about Barber beyond Witten.
The Cowboys are committed to returning Jones as the lead running back after he rushed for 1,084 yards on 267 carries with four touchdowns last season.
"He's been productive here," Phillips said. "I think he'll continue to be. He worked out in Arizona, and he was really the only guy not here in the off-season. He looks like he's in good shape and running well."
This is an important season for Jones because he's in the last year of his contract.
At times, Jones was frustrated with his role last season, but Cowboys officials and coaches have indicated he will get his carries. However, No. 2 back Marion Barber, who was utilized on passing downs last season, will still get plenty of action.
The coaches like Jones' ability to catch passes out of the backfield, and he ran some of those plays in practice Saturday.
"We're excited about Julius. Obviously, he's been a good player for a few years now," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said. "When you watch him on tape, he's the kind of guy that has great instincts for running the football, and he has the potential to make big plays."
LINK
I don't see Barber taking over like many people have predicted . . .
The Cowboys are committed to returning Jones as the lead running back after he rushed for 1,084 yards on 267 carries with four touchdowns last season.
"He's been productive here," Phillips said. "I think he'll continue to be. He worked out in Arizona, and he was really the only guy not here in the off-season. He looks like he's in good shape and running well."
This is an important season for Jones because he's in the last year of his contract.
At times, Jones was frustrated with his role last season, but Cowboys officials and coaches have indicated he will get his carries. However, No. 2 back Marion Barber, who was utilized on passing downs last season, will still get plenty of action.
The coaches like Jones' ability to catch passes out of the backfield, and he ran some of those plays in practice Saturday.
"We're excited about Julius. Obviously, he's been a good player for a few years now," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said. "When you watch him on tape, he's the kind of guy that has great instincts for running the football, and he has the potential to make big plays."
LINK
I don't see Barber taking over like many people have predicted . . .
Boston
Footballguy
I did and it's a lot of talk by Jason Witten on how the Cowboys plan to play football this year. There are also lines/thoughts by the writer himself as to what he expects such as this one..."The Cowboys are expected to be more aggressive in the passing game under Garrett." While this maybe true I don't see the need to make fantasy decisions based on what a TE or local writer is saying in May. Since Phillips wasn't the OC in San Diego and the Dallas offensive talent is a lot different than what San Diego has (i.e. no LT or Gates but better WRs) I just don't see how anyone can read too much into this.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I'm looking for a Jeff Pasquino sighting on this thread.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
It's not Witten's opinion, it's what the Cowboys are working on. You said it's fluff, really? The stats prove what Witten has stated in this article but I don't need to prove this because you've read the article.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
The Cowboys are committed to returning Jones as the lead running back after he rushed for 1,084 yards on 267 carries with four touchdowns last season.
"He's been productive here," Phillips said. "I think he'll continue to be. He worked out in Arizona, and he was really the only guy not here in the off-season. He looks like he's in good shape and running well."
This is an important season for Jones because he's in the last year of his contract.
At times, Jones was frustrated with his role last season, but Cowboys officials and coaches have indicated he will get his carries. However, No. 2 back Marion Barber, who was utilized on passing downs last season, will still get plenty of action.
The coaches like Jones' ability to catch passes out of the backfield, and he ran some of those plays in practice Saturday.
"We're excited about Julius. Obviously, he's been a good player for a few years now," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said. "When you watch him on tape, he's the kind of guy that has great instincts for running the football, and he has the potential to make big plays."
LINK
I don't see Barber taking over like many people have predicted . . .
I agree 100% and have been saying this all along. This is just further proof the MBIII has been overrated for this season based on where he's being drafted. I'll say again, many locals don't beilieve the MB is the future back only those looking from a distance. New coach, new scheme, Witten, TO, Gleen, Crayton, Hurd, JJ is #1 and MB is #2.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I'll stick to my guns on MB3 > JJ, but that isn't really the topic of this thread now is it?Witten certainly should get more TDs - He's a top 10 TE and had but one last year.
Boston
Footballguy
What stats do you refer to? Those of Antono Gates playing for Marty Shottenheimer and Cam Cameron? Or those of the Cowboys under Bill Parcells? Witten is a very good TE and I see no reason why he can't build on last years numbers. Yet, I see nothing in this article but pure speculation about how the Cowboys plan to play football. There are no direct quotes from any coaches, just a writer saying the Cowboys are expected to be more aggressive and a TE who's talking about taking his game to the next level.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Under Parcells, Witten stated he concentrated on running in when close to scoring...........this is a FACT, they were #1 in rushing red zone attempts and it's not even close. If all you see is speculation look one more time
. MB by himself had more attempts than all the WR combine when compared to Goaline stats. The Redzone stats gets even worse when comparing WRs to RBs. This is not specualtion, he's actually stating the obvious.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Witten certainly should get more TDs - He's a top 10 TE and had but one last year.
Damn, that was fast!
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Goaline through the air?TO: 3
Glenn: 1
Crayton: 1
Witten: 1
Unless I'm missing something they had 6 TDs through the air in Goaline situtaions.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Im going to say the loss of Parcells is going to hurt the TE productivity (Witten) and TOwens will still have command of the red zone chances this year.
I was huge on Witten in 2004 when Parcells (with Vinny) came in and he paid off.
Again he managed to maintain the level (with Drew) in 2005.
And last year he slid some with the change over to Romo and addition of TO.
Removing Parcells from the equation is very troublesome. And Fasano may become more of an option.
He still belongs in the top 10 or so. But not #3 like in '04 or #6 in '05.
Good luck with him as your "perfect TE draftee".
I was huge on Witten in 2004 when Parcells (with Vinny) came in and he paid off.
Again he managed to maintain the level (with Drew) in 2005.
And last year he slid some with the change over to Romo and addition of TO.
Removing Parcells from the equation is very troublesome. And Fasano may become more of an option.
He still belongs in the top 10 or so. But not #3 like in '04 or #6 in '05.
Good luck with him as your "perfect TE draftee".
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Boston
Footballguy
I absolutely agree with this. Under the previous coaching regime this was how the Cowboys played offense. Yet to automatically assume that a new coaching regime means a big year for Witten because he and a local writer said so is a pure assumption. I'm not trying to bust nads here but my basic point is this is one of those offseason articles where there's nothing but speculation. It's the offseason and everyone is in the best shape of their career, going to run for 2,000 yards or show the world that last season's subpar performance is a fluke.Under Parcells, Witten stated he concentrated on running in when close to scoring...........this is a FACT, they were #1 in rushing red zone attempts and it's not even close. If all you see is speculation look one more time. MB by himself had more attempts than all the WR combine when compared to Goaline stats. The Redzone stats gets even worse when comparing WRs to RBs. This is not specualtion, he's actually stating the obvious.
msommer
Footballguy
I've included up to 10 yards out
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Frank Black
Footballguy
Jeff, the thread title suggested that Barber will take a hit, and that's why I was looking for you.I'll stick to my guns on MB3 > JJ, but that isn't really the topic of this thread now is it?Witten certainly should get more TDs - He's a top 10 TE and had but one last year.
I agree with your take.
Doug Drinen
Moderator
Novacek's best season was 705/5.
redman
Footballguy
You are may be right.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
You are may be right.
Shouldn't you be in court sending someone to prison? Oh it's Sunday.........nevermind.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree. I said it was logical to assume Barber's TDs would decline. What I don't agree with is that it will be caused by a possibly expanded role for Witten. My point is that if a lot of Barber's TDs came from 2 and 1 yards it's unlikely those TDs will go to Witten or any other receiver. If Barber was scoring a ton of TDs from the 5-20 yard range I'd say a receiver's increased role (assuming it happens) could impact his TD potential. But that wasn't the case with Barber last season. I think his TDs decrease because it's unlikely the stars all align so powerfully for Barber again.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Barber decrease will be because of the following:#1 He's the #2 running back again#2 New choach/new scheme which affects #1#3 Witten will be more involved#4 TO#5 Glenn#6 Last year for him was a mirage#7 If JJ gets hurt scrap 1-6.
nislandbyself:
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I always thought Novacek was a pretty average TE that played on a great team. How could he not post decent numbers with Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, and Troy Aikman...it was natural the TE would post 500-700 yds and maybe 4-5 TD with all that talent around him and a QB that lined up behind one of the best OL in all of football. What would Gonzo have done in that offense.My point is I think Witten may even be better than Novacek.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Novacek's true value doesn't show in he's numbers. Novacek kept the chains moving and had hands better than most WRs. The Cowboys and Aikman tried desperately to replace Novacek but they never could (Laflop was a complete waste of a pick). Novacek's departure began the down fall of the Cowboys offense.I agree Witten is more talented than Novacek.
