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Amendola Danny StL/9 - 37 rec for 444 yds

Guy pulled down 85 balls for almost 700 yards last time he was healthy....

He's by all accounts healthy again... He's the #1 WR in St Louis, and is a favorite target of Bradford's.... What gives with the projection? I just went to highlight him as a target in the late rounds and he's not even on the VBD Cheatsheet. Huge oversight IMO.

Dodds? Care to address this? Any other FBG staff?

Thanks guys. :thumbup:

 
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Rotoworld has him ranked 70th.

FFToday has him 46th.

ESPN has him 80th.

Fantasy Sharks has him 53rd.

Those are 0 ppr eankings. I guess my question would be where would you rank him? I would tend to agree that he should be higher than 80th . . . but how high much higher is the question.

Part of the issue is whether he is truly healthy. Another is no one is really sure who will be on the field for STL and what the rotation will be. Steve Smith is also around to compete for similar routes and targets. They also drafted Quick with the hopes that he would be the main guy and also added Givens. From what I can tell, they will be turning to a more balanced offense with less reliance on the pass. Those all likely factor in to the ranking.

 
'David Yudkin said:
Rotoworld has him ranked 70th.

FFToday has him 46th.

ESPN has him 80th.

Fantasy Sharks has him 53rd.

Those are 0 ppr eankings. I guess my question would be where would you rank him? I would tend to agree that he should be higher than 80th . . . but how high much higher is the question.

Part of the issue is whether he is truly healthy. Another is no one is really sure who will be on the field for STL and what the rotation will be. Steve Smith is also around to compete for similar routes and targets. They also drafted Quick with the hopes that he would be the main guy and also added Givens. From what I can tell, they will be turning to a more balanced offense with less reliance on the pass. Those all likely factor in to the ranking.
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That's all fine and dandy but 37 receptions? :lmao: Cut his legs out from under him and drop him to 60... fine (25-30% reduction off his previous full season) due to situation shifts... but you guys definitely seem to be talking out both sides of you mouths here:

Rams | Danny Amendola No. 1 target Sun Aug 5, 01:42 PM

St. Louis Rams WR Danny Amendola clearly has been the No. 1 target during training camp. He has been a great fit for offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer's scheme which has some of the West Coast principles the team used when he had a breakout season two years ago.

Our view: Like we told you yesterday, don't forget about Amendola in your fantasy draft. His ADP may begin to creep up as we get closer to the regular season. Amendola is the most experienced WR on the Rams roster and should be the favorite target for QB Sam Bradford.
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Rams | Danny Amendola working in the slot Sat Aug 4, 09:11 PM

St. Louis Rams WR Danny Amendola is considered the favorite receiver of QB Sam Bradford, and the diminutive receiver has been working in the slot during training camp.

Our view: Fantasy owners cannot forget about Amendola, especially in PPR leagues. His current ADP is WR59 and he's coming off the board in the 12th or 13th round of most 12-team leagues. If he stays healthy and plays up to his potential then he could be a nice WR4/flex option for your fantasy team.
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Sorry if this comes off as confrontational... not trying to be a jerk. Just trying to point out a potential oversight in the rankings.
 
'[icon] said:
'David Yudkin said:
Rotoworld has him ranked 70th.

FFToday has him 46th.

ESPN has him 80th.

Fantasy Sharks has him 53rd.

Those are 0 ppr eankings. I guess my question would be where would you rank him? I would tend to agree that he should be higher than 80th . . . but how high much higher is the question.

Part of the issue is whether he is truly healthy. Another is no one is really sure who will be on the field for STL and what the rotation will be. Steve Smith is also around to compete for similar routes and targets. They also drafted Quick with the hopes that he would be the main guy and also added Givens. From what I can tell, they will be turning to a more balanced offense with less reliance on the pass. Those all likely factor in to the ranking.
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That's all fine and dandy but 37 receptions? :lmao: Cut his legs out from under him and drop him to 60... fine (25-30% reduction off his previous full season) due to situation shifts... but you guys definitely seem to be talking out both sides of you mouths here:

Rams | Danny Amendola No. 1 target Sun Aug 5, 01:42 PM

St. Louis Rams WR Danny Amendola clearly has been the No. 1 target during training camp. He has been a great fit for offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer's scheme which has some of the West Coast principles the team used when he had a breakout season two years ago.

Our view: Like we told you yesterday, don't forget about Amendola in your fantasy draft. His ADP may begin to creep up as we get closer to the regular season. Amendola is the most experienced WR on the Rams roster and should be the favorite target for QB Sam Bradford.
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Rams | Danny Amendola working in the slot Sat Aug 4, 09:11 PM

St. Louis Rams WR Danny Amendola is considered the favorite receiver of QB Sam Bradford, and the diminutive receiver has been working in the slot during training camp.

Our view: Fantasy owners cannot forget about Amendola, especially in PPR leagues. His current ADP is WR59 and he's coming off the board in the 12th or 13th round of most 12-team leagues. If he stays healthy and plays up to his potential then he could be a nice WR4/flex option for your fantasy team.
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Sorry if this comes off as confrontational... not trying to be a jerk. Just trying to point out a potential oversight in the rankings.
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I have nothing to do with anything you just referenced, but I can add that at FBG lots of people do different things and there is no "company line" on how to project, rank, or describe players or situations. So when there are opposite opinions, there are different folks involved in the different processes. I realize that can be confusing, since sometimes lists, emails, or comments in apps or articles sometimes appear with no explanation or author attached to it.One thing that may be lost in some of this is I recall the Rams having a lot of injury issues at receiver in 2010, so that might explain the high reception total for Amendola. But I can't say that I follow the Rams, ever get to watch the Rams, or have great insight into the Rams so I may not be the one to best be assessing what happened.

 
I went back to look at what happened in 2010 for the Rams. Mark Clayton looked like a beast but got hurt for the year in Week 5. Laurent Robinson missed a few games and was never 100%. Brandon Gibson, Danario Alexander, and Mardy Gilyard also missed several games. All in all, the only one that was healthy was Amendola. Maybe that led to him getting 85 receptions, and maybe it didn't.

 
'[icon] said:
Guy pulled down 85 balls for almost 700 yards last time he was healthy....
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The fact that the guy averaged about 8 yards per catch as a WR should tell you the Rams could and should do better than giving this guy the chance to catch 85 balls again.
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Sabertooth said:
If he holds off Smith, I think it would be reasonable to plug in 2010's numbers.
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What happens if Amendola and Smith play together . . . or there is a rotation of all the WRs?
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Then I think it's pretty much a mess. I doubt they rotate too many players into that slot position. I can't see putting Gibson, Alexander, Quick, or Givens in there. So that leaves that one little PPR gem to Amendola or Steve Smith. My money is on Amendola for sure. I don't see them shuffling 3 or 4 different guys through the slot.
 
I've drafted him in 4 leagues so far. I expect him to greatly out produce his ADP. Everything I've read, coming out of St. Louis, is that he's been their best, most targeted Wr.

It's funny I was just saying to my brother yesterday, that I can't believe he hasn't been hyped more in the shark pool as a potential sleeper.

 
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'Haley said:
I've drafted him in 4 leagues so far. I expect him to greatly out produce his ADP. Everything I've read, coming out of St. Louis, is that he's been their best, most targeted Wr.It's funny I was just saying to my brother yesterday, that I can't believe he hasn't been hyped more in the shark pool as a potential sleeper.
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Im right there with you, been able to get him as my wr5 in 2 leagues already this year and it looks like his ADP hasnt moved an inch.
 
'Sabertooth said:
'David Yudkin said:
'Sabertooth said:
If he holds off Smith, I think it would be reasonable to plug in 2010's numbers.
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What happens if Amendola and Smith play together . . . or there is a rotation of all the WRs?
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Then I think it's pretty much a mess. I doubt they rotate too many players into that slot position. I can't see putting Gibson, Alexander, Quick, or Givens in there. So that leaves that one little PPR gem to Amendola or Steve Smith. My money is on Amendola for sure. I don't see them shuffling 3 or 4 different guys through the slot.
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Problem is, their top 2 (arguably 3) most "pro-ready" WRs are slot guys...without fail, a healthy Amendola and Smith are #s 1 and 2...we've heard good things about Quick, so likely he will gain a starting role...but Givens is also decent, so they need to kick one of those guys outside, rotate them, or sit a better WR on a squad that does not have many good WRs.
 
(TheHuddle) St. Louis Rams WR Danny Amendola clearly has been the No. 1 target during training camp. He has been a great fit for offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer's scheme which has some of the West Coast principles the team used when he had a breakout season two years ago.
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(Rotoworld) The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says Rams WR Danny Amendola "remains as the clear No. 1 receiving target."
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(KFFL) St. Louis Rams WR Chris Givens appears to be slightly ahead in his development than WR Brian Quick. Givens is a deep threat from the flanker position, while Quick has been a bit inconsistent early on. The coaches are working with Quick to get him to show more flashes as a big receiver at the split-end position.
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Everything I've heard points to Amendola playing in the slot on 3 Wr sets and staying in the game for 2wr sets. Gibson is currently slotted as a starting wr, but I'm not sure how long that lasts. Givens has outperformed Quick. It's not surprising since Quick's coming from Appalachian State and needs to adjust to the speed of the game. My best guess is that Steve Smith runs 2wr sets with Amendola and Givens lines up on the outside in 3 WR sets.
 
Nobody factoring in Lance Hendricks, either.

When Fisher was HC in TEN, you could safely pencil Wycheck in for top 10 TE numbers, and when Brian Schottenheimer coached in SD, Gates was a monster every single year. They have high hopes for Hendricks, even after the disappointing no-show last year. I think both coaches want the receivers to stretch the field, and will be hoping Hendricks leads the team in catches underneath. Don't see any evidence they're imagining a NE style offense with a huge premium on shortball.

 
'Dr. Octopus said:
'[icon] said:
Guy pulled down 85 balls for almost 700 yards last time he was healthy....
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The fact that the guy averaged about 8 yards per catch as a WR should tell you the Rams could and should do better than giving this guy the chance to catch 85 balls again.
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That's how I feel as well. Some people compare him to Welker but WW's career low for ypc was right at 10. And Amendola has a career total of 4 TDs on 133 career catches. I know we are talking PPR here but the TDs always help.As Yudkin pointed out there were a ton of injuries to the Rams WR corps the year Amendola caught 85 balls. With Steve Smith in the fold and reportedly looking pretty good, other young WRs on the roster, and a new OC.......personally not a big fan of Amendola this year. He could still be good value at his ADP but I see an underwhelming season from him.
 
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Amendola is a hell of a slot receiver. Finnegan can't believe how quick he is. Great hands too. He just doesn't run deep routes. Everything is underneath. This is why Sam's YPA was so low in 2010. ALso because every other WR was hurt and Amendola was the only one left. He will easily beat out Smith in the slot. They have been moving Smith out wide lately long with Salas who is also a player who could emerge into a Jordy Nelson type.

 
He's their #1 going into pre-season, apparently healthy, and should be a PPR machine. He's one of the most underrated WRs right now (especially by FBGs) and I think he's a WR3 with WR2 upside.

 
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.

 
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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That's a separate discussion (i.e., are the Rams going to suck or not this season).
 
'jonboltz said:
I think the biggest concern for Amendola is that Steve Smith is just a better player.
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:goodposting: Quick and Givens compliment each other well, so a Smith + rookie tandem outside and Amendola limited to 3 WR sets would not surprise me. Then it just depends how often the Rams go 3 wide. The staff also likes Alexander apparently, but that whole never healthy thing probably limits him to 15-20 snaps even when he's active.Haven't read much about the rest in the last 10 days.
 
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
 
'dickey moe said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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That's a separate discussion (i.e., are the Rams going to suck or not this season).
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I don't think it's separate, if they suck then they'll ride on their future players later in the year. If Amendola isn't stepping up then someone else will get his snaps.
 
'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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No they won't. Finito's post is spot on.
 
'MAC_32 said:
'dickey moe said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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That's a separate discussion (i.e., are the Rams going to suck or not this season).
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I don't think it's separate, if they suck then they'll ride on their future players later in the year. If Amendola isn't stepping up then someone else will get his snaps.
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But under the original assumption, he would've been leading the team in receptions and yards? How would this be anything but great for Amendola owners?
 
'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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What the heck are you talking about?
 
Guys like Amendola (Bess, etc) have almost no value. There's few TD's, and very few huge games, too. They aren't Welker, who gets 95+ catches and averages more than 8 yards a catch.

He's bye week filler / injury bench guy. Under normal circumstances he's barely startable in a start 3 wr league, and not startable at all in a 2wr league.

he's not good anough to start, but in most people's eyes, juuust a little too good for the WW (I hate those kinds of players - just clog your roster.)

 
'finito said:
'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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What the heck are you talking about?
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In 2010 Amendola led the Rams in receiving yards and receptions. He's saying even if Amendola leads in those categories, the Rams won't be too bad. He also went a little out of control trying to diss you.
 
'finito said:
'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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What the heck are you talking about?
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you just made my point
 
'jwb said:
Guys like Amendola (Bess, etc) have almost no value. There's few TD's, and very few huge games, too. They aren't Welker, who gets 95+ catches and averages more than 8 yards a catch. He's bye week filler / injury bench guy. Under normal circumstances he's barely startable in a start 3 wr league, and not startable at all in a 2wr league. he's not good anough to start, but in most people's eyes, juuust a little too good for the WW (I hate those kinds of players - just clog your roster.)
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Like everything else, this depends on scoring. I'm not sure how prevalent they are, but I'm in a league or two with 1point ppr and 20 yards (including pr and kr) = 1 point . Their value is magnified in those leagues.In that league, Amendola finished the 2010 season as WR7 overall.
 
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'Late225 said:
'jwb said:
Guys like Amendola (Bess, etc) have almost no value. There's few TD's, and very few huge games, too. They aren't Welker, who gets 95+ catches and averages more than 8 yards a catch. He's bye week filler / injury bench guy. Under normal circumstances he's barely startable in a start 3 wr league, and not startable at all in a 2wr league. he's not good anough to start, but in most people's eyes, juuust a little too good for the WW (I hate those kinds of players - just clog your roster.)
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Like everything else, this depends on scoring. I'm not sure how prevalent they are, but I'm in a league or two with 1point ppr and 20 yards (including pr and kr) = 1 point . Their value is magnified in those leagues.In that league, Amendola finished the 2010 season as WR7 overall.
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Ok, yea, KR changes everything.ETA - I don't play in any of those over 8 dynasty leagues - from what I see/read, I don't think they are that common.
 
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'jwb said:
'Late225 said:
'jwb said:
Guys like Amendola (Bess, etc) have almost no value. There's few TD's, and very few huge games, too. They aren't Welker, who gets 95+ catches and averages more than 8 yards a catch. He's bye week filler / injury bench guy. Under normal circumstances he's barely startable in a start 3 wr league, and not startable at all in a 2wr league. he's not good anough to start, but in most people's eyes, juuust a little too good for the WW (I hate those kinds of players - just clog your roster.)
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Like everything else, this depends on scoring. I'm not sure how prevalent they are, but I'm in a league or two with 1point ppr and 20 yards (including pr and kr) = 1 point . Their value is magnified in those leagues.In that league, Amendola finished the 2010 season as WR7 overall.
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Ok, yea, KR changes everything.
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Yup, return leagues are a completely different animal.But in standard PPR leagues I agree with your analysis. Guys like Amendola and Bess are almost like fools gold in PPR. At the end of the year they have a lot of catches but they get you very little in yards and TDs. They look attractive sitting on your bench then you play them and get 4 for 30 or 3 for 25 type games.I understand why some think Amendola will be good value but I see him more as a roster clogger as you put it. There is an argument that he could be good depth but personally I'd rather have the higher upside guys. Despite the positive reviews coming out of camp I just cant get excited about a guy who barely averages 8 ypc and almost never finds the end zone.
 
'[icon] said:
'ponchsox said:
If I recall, he had the same pre-season hype last year and ended up on waivers in most leagues.
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I wonder why...
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:lmao:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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Well explain why he was one of the leaders in all-purpose yards? If anyone gets a chance to catch the old Dallas Hard Knocks watch episode 4, there is a coaches meeting where Garret/Jerry Jones and company are all raving about him. Saying things like how tough he is mentally , how they love him and have no issue with him as a player. They cut him because he was short which is bad decision making because your only job is to roster the best players and put them on the field. He's bigger than Desean Jackson so i don't see the problem. He's 4.6 guy like Welker but he earns his living because of his hands and agility so those comparison are fare. 35 receptions is not close to what a healthy Amendola can do.

'David Yudkin said:
I went back to look at what happened in 2010 for the Rams. Mark Clayton looked like a beast but got hurt for the year in Week 5.
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Even when Clayton was in the line up Amendola was still targeted a bunch. Bradford leaned on him and S-Jax and that controlled his turnovers.
 
'Zeff said:
Nobody factoring in Lance Hendricks, either.

When Fisher was HC in TEN, you could safely pencil Wycheck in for top 10 TE numbers, and when Brian Schottenheimer coached in SD, Gates was a monster every single year. They have high hopes for Hendricks, even after the disappointing no-show last year. I think both coaches want the receivers to stretch the field, and will be hoping Hendricks leads the team in catches underneath. Don't see any evidence they're imagining a NE style offense with a huge premium on shortball.
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not sure if I'm all that interested in 5/40/0 hoggin' a wr slot.as for hendricks, don't forget heller was crushin' the targets on the jets.

Rams OC Brian Schottenheimer admitted that the Rams' tight end gameplan revolves around Lance Kendricks."We really liked Lance back in New York when we looked at him," said Schotty. "I think he’s got a chance to be a terrific all-around player." He went on to say that the other tight ends will play a complementary role. According to the Rams official website, early indications from offseason practices suggest TE Lance Kendricks will figure "prominently" in OC Brian Schottenheimer's offense

 
'David Yudkin said:
'Late225 said:
last year he had 5 receptions in week 1 before getting hurt. he's their wes welker.
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And the OC that used him like Wes Welker went back to Wes Welker's team. Again, I don't know if that matters or not . . .
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Josh never got to use Amendola because Amendola was hurt in week 1. Shurmer was Amendola's OC in 2010 when they threw underneath so much. But to Sam's credit, when Amendola is your only healthy WR, where else are you going to throw ? You're sure the hell not going to throw deep.
 
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Amendola offers very little upside... but in PPR he is can be startable. He put up 11+ ppg in 2010; that isn't setting the world on fire, he won't win you any games, but he was an okay WR3 that could be had as a WR6 in 12+ team leagues. Injuries happen, and larger leagues with deeper rosters don't leave much on the waiver wire.

 
'jwb said:
Guys like Amendola (Bess, etc) have almost no value. There's few TD's, and very few huge games, too. They aren't Welker, who gets 95+ catches and averages more than 8 yards a catch. He's bye week filler / injury bench guy. Under normal circumstances he's barely startable in a start 3 wr league, and not startable at all in a 2wr league. he's not good anough to start, but in most people's eyes, juuust a little too good for the WW (I hate those kinds of players - just clog your roster.)
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Bess and Amendola are both gonna be the #1 target for their respective teams, almost 100% gauranteed.In 2010 when they werent they had 165 receptions between them.
 
I don't know. 37 receptions seems low, but BS's offenses have never been known for having a prolific slot receiver.

 
'Lott said:
Amendola offers very little upside...
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On 37 receptions? Really? I'll give you a dollar for every reception below that number he finishes at..... And you give me a dollar for every reception ABOVE that number he finishes at? Deal?As a matter of a fact, let's make it $10 a catch.... Hell...
 
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'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
'bulger2holt said:
'finito said:
Amendola can catch but has no moves, he just gets tackled. If he ends up leading the team in receptions and yards, it is going to be a loooong season in St. Louis IMO.
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You probably have no idea who their new coaches are, who they drafted, which fa's they signed, which players they get back from injury. You also probably don't realize they were 4 plays from being 11-5 in 2010 either. They aren't nearly as bad as people think. They are going to surprise a lot of people this year.
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What the heck are you talking about?
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you just made my point
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Quite the opposite. Read my initial post again and tell me where you come away with me saying St. Louis is a poor team.
 
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