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Andre Hall's dynasty value... (1 Viewer)

hardtellin

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Something tells me that Shanahan did not bring this kid in to be a back-up.

I bring you draft notes from his entry into the pros ~~

Andre Hall is a compact and powerful runner with a low center of gravity. He has a quick initial burst and has shown good vision on cutback runs. He has good lateral quickness and can pick the right hole and get to it before the defense closes it. He is a patient runner, and allows his blocks to set up fully before him. He knows how to set up defenders well in the 2nd level and this ability makes him very dangerous on a screen pass. He runs with a good pad level and is not frequently tackled on the initial hit. He is a determined runner with decent leg drive for a smaller back. He has natural hands and catches the ball consistently with his arms extended.

Andre isn't a big RB, but he can gain a lot of yardage in a hurry. One can't deny his productivity at the collegiate level. And even though he doesn't have long speed, he can bang out 30 yard runs consistently. He virtually has no injury history, only missing 1 ½ games in high school! That is incredibly durable for a back with less than ideal size. He is a very determined player and could provide good value for a team on the 2nd day of the draft.

Whether Shanny uses him much this season or not, I would think with more experience picking up the blitz, he might be of value in a dynasty league.

What do you guys think?

 
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Please stop this BS , it s Denver .

It s not because the kid had a 62 yds TD run that he now becomes the next starting RB with the Broncos.

Dont worry if Henry is suspended they will take a good look around to find their RB for next season ,

i personally do not see anyone on thier roster worthy of being their RB of the future .

 
seems like just about any rostered Denver RB has a chance to crack the starting line up at some point during their tenure. I have him in one league and am hopefull, but Im not counting on anything

 
Hall can't block! He can run but he will never play on passing downs until he learns to block. So jump off the Hall badwagon now! Every defensive corridantor knows this now too. So when Hall enters the game you know they are running! And now the secreat is out there he wont be sucessful much I bet.

Young is the starter as long as Henry is out and that won't change!

Stop dreaming! Actually Kolby Smioth has lots better odds then Hall!

Maybe a trap, but I am willing to bet its true! We will find out soon enough!

 
Hall can't block! He can run but he will never play on passing downs until he learns to block. So jump off the Hall badwagon now! Every defensive corridantor knows this now too. So when Hall enters the game you know they are running! And now the secreat is out there he wont be sucessful much I bet.Young is the starter as long as Henry is out and that won't change!Stop dreaming! Actually Kolby Smioth has lots better odds then Hall! Maybe a trap, but I am willing to bet its true! We will find out soon enough!
People get hurt. And people learn how to block. He is an ok blocker,he doesnt read blitzes well. There is a difference. Im not dreaming. He is one play away from starting. Did you see him Monday night
 
Buckeyedawgs said:
Hall can't block! He can run but he will never play on passing downs until he learns to block. So jump off the Hall badwagon now! Every defensive corridantor knows this now too. So when Hall enters the game you know they are running! And now the secreat is out there he wont be sucessful much I bet.Young is the starter as long as Henry is out and that won't change!Stop dreaming! Actually Kolby Smioth has lots better odds then Hall! Maybe a trap, but I am willing to bet its true! We will find out soon enough!
Because of one play, you are saying Andre Hall can't block? Seems pretty naive to me.Also, take it easy with the exclamation points, Captain.
 
My secretary is originally from Denver and keeps in very close contact with her somewhat connected, die-hard Bronco family. Back when the Henry news broke and Hall's name first showed up on this board, she called her dad and asked what they knew. Word seemed to be that Shanny loves Hall and is grooming him to be the future at the position. No one seemed to have a time-frame on when the future is, and obviously there is no link to support this information - but it is interesting to know that months before the 62 yarder, people in Denver were already talking about this guy. Maybe he's finally learned how to block...?

As for the "then why didn't he get drafted" or "Shanny can go F himself" responses - I can't argue with staying away from the headache that is the Den RB situation - but if you have a roster spot and can get this guy for free - my secretary's dad says to pick him up...

 
az_prof said:
Young 8 said:
hardtellin said:
What do you guys think?
we think that Hall is behind Henry and Young
I think he will get his chance sooner or later and that Henry will be gone next year and that Young will be injured early and often. He has more talent than Young owners want to give him credit. He is worth owning in dynasty.
If Henry doesn't get suspended, Henry's not going to be gone. There's a lot of money tied up in Henry, and it's tied up there for a reason. He might have more talent than Young owners want to give him credit for, but he's still got less talent than Young- at least in the opinion of Mike Shanahan (which, when last I checked, was the only opinion that mattered). He might be worth owning in Dynasty, but only as a longshot, last-man-on-the-roster type, unless Henry gets suspended (in which case, he's Denver's backup, and worth owning just like every other Denver backup).
Because of one play, you are saying Andre Hall can't block? Seems pretty naive to me.
In all fairness, because of one play (the 62-yard TD), many people are saying that he's a better runner than Young. That's equally naive.Edit: In all seriousness, every single judgement being made on Hall right now is being made on the basis of two plays- the missed block, and the broken tackle.
 
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az_prof said:
Young 8 said:
hardtellin said:
What do you guys think?
we think that Hall is behind Henry and Young
I think he will get his chance sooner or later and that Henry will be gone next year and that Young will be injured early and often. He has more talent than Young owners want to give him credit. He is worth owning in dynasty.
okif you think so...... :popcorn:
 
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My secretary is originally from Denver and keeps in very close contact with her somewhat connected, die-hard Bronco family. Back when the Henry news broke and Hall's name first showed up on this board, she called her dad and asked what they knew. Word seemed to be that Shanny loves Hall and is grooming him to be the future at the position. No one seemed to have a time-frame on when the future is, and obviously there is no link to support this information - but it is interesting to know that months before the 62 yarder, people in Denver were already talking about this guy. Maybe he's finally learned how to block...?As for the "then why didn't he get drafted" or "Shanny can go F himself" responses - I can't argue with staying away from the headache that is the Den RB situation - but if you have a roster spot and can get this guy for free - my secretary's dad says to pick him up...
Maybe Shanny should worry about his own future after this season
 
onions. the quote was from his coach! that is why it was exclamanted!

THE CAPTION!

still worth a spot in Dynasty. some things can change! but as far as the immediate future you won't see better production or touches this year then the other night. And that came from Denver! per ROTO

 
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:no:

In past seasons, I have dropped Gates, FWP, Larry Johnson, Tom Brady, Wes Welker (ok, traded cheap), and now Andre Hall (2 weeks ago); so of course Hall is the next Terrell Davis. :ptts:

 
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az_prof said:
AnonymousBob said:
Warhogs said:
It's Denver we are talking about, sell high on any Denver RB until proven otherwise.
I agree with this.
Can't argue with this, but Hall is not even close to his "high." Wait until after Young sits out a game and Hall puts up good numbers, which I fully expect. THEN sell.
Good point. Everybody knows Denver churns out stud rb's. Use that fact to sell Hall after this past game or after this next game.
 
Because of one play, you are saying Andre Hall can't block? Seems pretty naive to me.
In all fairness, because of one play (the 62-yard TD), many people are saying that he's a better runner than Young. That's equally naive.Edit: In all seriousness, every single judgement being made on Hall right now is being made on the basis of two plays- the missed block, and the broken tackle.
I agree with you 100% - It seems everyone is making wild claims based on what they saw Monday night.Bottom line is nobody can be certain of anything involving Henry, Young and Hall right now. That said, all offer potential value depending on the outcome of Henry's drug suspension, Young's health and Hall's actually abilities.
 
Maybe Shanny should worry about his own future after this season
I hope you mean he should start saving up for retirement, so that when he leaves the Denver Broncos job in another decade or two- on his own terms, mind you- he can continue to live comfortably in the lifestyle to which he has grown accustomed. Because if you're trying to imply that Shanahan's seat is going to get uncomfortably warm, you couldn't possibly be any further off base if you tried. Pat Bowlen has repeatedly called Mike Shanahan his coach for life. The Broncos job is Shanny's for as long as he wants it. End of discussion.
 
az_prof said:
AnonymousBob said:
Warhogs said:
It's Denver we are talking about, sell high on any Denver RB until proven otherwise.
I agree with this.
Can't argue with this, but Hall is not even close to his "high." Wait until after Young sits out a game and Hall puts up good numbers, which I fully expect. THEN sell.
Good point. Everybody knows Denver churns out stud rb's. Use that fact to sell Hall after this past game or after this next game.
I really believed this strategy would work, too, until the last 2 weeks. After Selvin had his 100-yd., 1 TD game against KC, I shopped Selvin HARD to several folks in my league that were hurting at RB, including the Henry owner and an owner who was already building for next year. Every respone I received back was something along the lines of, "you can never predict the Denver RB situation, so I'm not buying."I'm afraid the same may be true with Hall. Owners really seem to be afraid of the Denver RB, whoever it may be, because of the instability at the position over the last few years. It may take 5-6 straight weeks of Hall (or anyone else) putting up strong numbers before a Denver RB has trade value. Based on my experience, I'd say both Young and Hall are clear HOLDs right now.
 
Coming from a guy who watched Hall play every game in college, I would 100% own him in a dynasty league if I were in one. Ask anyone who's a USF homer what they think of Andre Hall and they will tell you that he is special.

 
This whole thread can be summed up simple. if you have space (redraft or dynasty) pick up as many as possible from Henry, Young, and Hall. It's your choice as to which ones - if there were anything concrete, somebody in here would have posted it - so right now it's a crapshoot.

 
My secretary is originally from Denver and keeps in very close contact with her somewhat connected, die-hard Bronco family. Back when the Henry news broke and Hall's name first showed up on this board, she called her dad and asked what they knew. Word seemed to be that Shanny loves Hall and is grooming him to be the future at the position. No one seemed to have a time-frame on when the future is, and obviously there is no link to support this information - but it is interesting to know that months before the 62 yarder, people in Denver were already talking about this guy. Maybe he's finally learned how to block...?As for the "then why didn't he get drafted" or "Shanny can go F himself" responses - I can't argue with staying away from the headache that is the Den RB situation - but if you have a roster spot and can get this guy for free - my secretary's dad says to pick him up...
From everything I've heard, Selvin Young is the one Shanahan is grooming.
 
Because of one play, you are saying Andre Hall can't block? Seems pretty naive to me.
In all fairness, because of one play (the 62-yard TD), many people are saying that he's a better runner than Young. That's equally naive.Edit: In all seriousness, every single judgement being made on Hall right now is being made on the basis of two plays- the missed block, and the broken tackle.
I agree with you 100% - It seems everyone is making wild claims based on what they saw Monday night.Bottom line is nobody can be certain of anything involving Henry, Young and Hall right now. That said, all offer potential value depending on the outcome of Henry's drug suspension, Young's health and Hall's actually abilities.
I picked him before week 1 after what I saw in the pre-season... I was very surprised that Young ended up ahead of him on the depth chart. Not everyone is basing opinions on 2 plays.
 
Hall can't block! He can run but he will never play on passing downs until he learns to block. So jump off the Hall badwagon now! Every defensive corridantor knows this now too. So when Hall enters the game you know they are running! And now the secreat is out there he wont be sucessful much I bet.Young is the starter as long as Henry is out and that won't change!Stop dreaming! Actually Kolby Smioth has lots better odds then Hall! Maybe a trap, but I am willing to bet its true! We will find out soon enough!
ADP can't block....errr never mind...
 
Our Sources Tell Us…

By: Paul Hickey

November 23, 2007

Hall To Get The Ball – There has been very little buzz around Andre Hall, a first year undrafted rookie from South Florida. The 5’10”, 205 lb. speedster scored on in Week 11 on a 60 yard run against the Titans. Even though he was playing in place of the injured Selvin Young and Travis Henry, our sources tell us that Mike Shanahan likes this kid enough to make sure he gets the ball the rest of the season. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be Denver’s featured back, but it ensures he’ll have fantasy value as a flex in deep leagues. Owners should expect Hall to get the call in Week 12, with Young and Henry still likely out. If he plays well at Chicago, he’ll likely earn 10-15 carries in Week 13 against the Raiders. Basically, the sky is the limit for Hall, who now finds himself in the mix to make an impact in an offense known for churning out no-name 1,000 yard rushers.

 
What a piece of donkey dung that article is

Our Sources Tell Us…

By: Paul Hickey

November 23, 2007

Hall To Get The Ball – There has been very little buzz around Andre Hall, a first year undrafted rookie from South Florida. The 5’10”, 205 lb. speedster scored on in Week 11 on a 60 yard run against the Titans. Even though he was playing in place of the injured Selvin Young and Travis Henry, our sources tell us that Mike Shanahan likes this kid enough to make sure he gets the ball the rest of the season. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be Denver’s featured back, but it ensures he’ll have fantasy value as a flex in deep leagues Potentially in a 3 headed monster but somehow it ensures he has enough value to start in a deep league . Owners should expect Hall to get the call in Week 12, with Young and Henry still likely out Sounds like young is going to play. If he plays well at Chicago, he’ll likely earn 10-15 carries in Week 13 against the Raiders. Basically, the sky is the limit for HallThe sky is the limit - for this RBBC - ugh , who now finds himself in the mix to make an impact in an offense known for churning out no-name 1,000 yard rushers.
 
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What a piece of donkey dung that article is

Our Sources Tell Us…

By: Paul Hickey

November 23, 2007

Hall To Get The Ball – There has been very little buzz around Andre Hall, a first year undrafted rookie from South Florida. The 5’10”, 205 lb. speedster scored on in Week 11 on a 60 yard run against the Titans. Even though he was playing in place of the injured Selvin Young and Travis Henry, our sources tell us that Mike Shanahan likes this kid enough to make sure he gets the ball the rest of the season. This doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be Denver’s featured back, but it ensures he’ll have fantasy value as a flex in deep leagues Potentially in a 3 headed monster but somehow it ensures he has enough value to start in a deep league . Owners should expect Hall to get the call in Week 12, with Young and Henry still likely out Sounds like young is going to play. If he plays well at Chicago, he’ll likely earn 10-15 carries in Week 13 against the Raiders. Basically, the sky is the limit for HallThe sky is the limit - for this RBBC - ugh , who now finds himself in the mix to make an impact in an offense known for churning out no-name 1,000 yard rushers.
Really, do you have a better source, maybe a direct line to Mike? :confused:
 
Hmmmmm, They brought in Wali Lundy for a look, so I wouldn't get all hyped up quite yet.

Speaking of fantasy football public enemy #1, Shanahan brought former Virginia RB Wali Lundy in for a look, perhaps in anticipation of Travis Henry’s suspension. Wali Lundy had mild success last season (680 total yards and 4 TDs) in limited action in the Houston Texan zone blocking scheme which was obviously modeled after the one Kubiak coached while in Denver. I’m a big fan of the way Lundy runs and I feel he deserves another shot in the NFL and I am really surprised he has not been given one. Keep an eye on what happens with “Wali World”. Should he land in Denver, he’ll always be only a Shanahan whim away from contributing to your fantasy team.

From what I read, S.Young practiced:

Nov 23 2007 10:06PM

Bill Williamson, of The Denver Post, reports Denver Broncos RB Selvin Young (knee) practiced Friday, Nov. 23, and hopes to play Week 12.

 
The latest news: Henry is OUT and Young is Questionable;

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason/2007/1...able-henry-out/

As snow flurries fell upon Dove Valley throughout the Broncos’ 90-minute practice on Friday, running back Selvin Young saw his first on-field of the week after suffering a knee strain against the Tennessee Titans.

But Young’s work was limited, as was the case for fullback Paul Smith, who also returned to the field after missing the previous two days, leaving both questionable for Sunday’s game in Chicago.

“We’ll get a chance to work them out before the game and we’ll see where we’re at there,” Head Coach Mike Shanahan said.

There is no such uncertainty regarding running back Travis Henry, who missed Friday’s practice and was ruled out for Sunday’s game.

“Travis is definitely out,” Shanahan said.

Henry has been in recovery from a partially torn posterior cruciate ligament, but on Friday a touch of the flu was added to his list of infirmities.

 
Here's the Denver Post story from today. While Young practiced he was "limited" and it sounds like the team is ready to start Hall to me. If you own Young or Henry you better have other plans lined up for Sunday.

Broncos may start Hall at RB

By Bill Williamson The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 11/23/2007 03:18:08 PM MST

Andre Hall of the Denver Broncos in 2007. There is a chance Andre Hall will make his first NFL start Sunday at Chicago.

Today after practice Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said rookie Selvin Young (right knee strain), who didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday, worked on a limited basis today. Shanahan said Young will be a game-time decision.

If Young can't play, Hall would start and Mike Bell likely would back up Hall. Hall's NFL highlight came Monday night against Tennessee when he broke a 62-yard run while spelling Young.

Shanahan said running back Travis Henry (partially torn PCL) will not play Sunday. It will be the third straight game Henry will miss. Shanahan said he believes Henry will be able to play Dec. 2 at Oakland. The NFL is expected to make a decision on Henry's appeal of a pending one-year NFL drug suspension as early next week.

Also, receiver Javon Walker is questionable after practicing on a limited basis today after he had some swelling on the knee Thursday. He is still expected to play after missing the past seven games.

 
My secretary is originally from Denver and keeps in very close contact with her somewhat connected, die-hard Bronco family. Back when the Henry news broke and Hall's name first showed up on this board, she called her dad and asked what they knew. Word seemed to be that Shanny loves Hall and is grooming him to be the future at the position. No one seemed to have a time-frame on when the future is, and obviously there is no link to support this information - but it is interesting to know that months before the 62 yarder, people in Denver were already talking about this guy. Maybe he's finally learned how to block...?As for the "then why didn't he get drafted" or "Shanny can go F himself" responses - I can't argue with staying away from the headache that is the Den RB situation - but if you have a roster spot and can get this guy for free - my secretary's dad says to pick him up...
at least you are honest about your source.
 
Coming from a guy who watched Hall play every game in college, I would 100% own him in a dynasty league if I were in one. Ask anyone who's a USF homer what they think of Andre Hall and they will tell you that he is special.
This is the NFL. Every single player good enough to make it this far looked special in college. That's how they made it this far. I mean, heck, ask any Florida homer how good Ike Hilliard looked in college. Or any Florida State homer about Peter Warrick.
 
This whole thread can be summed up simple. if you have space (redraft or dynasty) pick up as many as possible from Henry, Young, and Hall. It's your choice as to which ones - if there were anything concrete, somebody in here would have posted it - so right now it's a crapshoot.
:towelwave: Who knows what the future holds for him. If your sitting there with 2 kickers and 2 defenses, or still sitting on guys like M Willimas or M jones etc. then he's well worth rostering in dynasty.
 
onions. the quote was from his coach! that is why it was exclamanted! THE CAPTION!still worth a spot in Dynasty. some things can change! but as far as the immediate future you won't see better production or touches this year then the other night. And that came from Denver! per ROTO
buckeyedawgs. thanks! for corridantor-ing my new sig!THE SIG!!!!!
 
I heard shanny doesn't like midgets. he's only 5'8". I think he's only on the team for backup purposes. Which means he could get 1000yards on any given season with denver.

 
do you think shanny learned his lesson about signing a high priced free agent RB like Henry. young and hall has looked good as starters

 

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