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My first auction draft (1 Viewer)

Deranged Hermit

Deranged Hermit

Not cool & Pissed
Last night was the first time I did an auction draft and I was astounded as to how much of a better experience it was than the standard snake draft. The fact that you could have ANY player you wanted really appealed to me. It was also a very interesting to see how everyone approached it:

* One guy grabbed a few studs early and than, quite literally, bid on NO ONE for an hour. He ended up with $35 left and scrambled to grab the scraps left at the end. This was not his first auction, I was the only auction 'virgin' there.

* One guy filled his entire roster within the first hour. It was actually pretty neat. Got good value too for the most part.

* One guy bid on EVERYONE for the first hour and did not win one bid. Kinda felt sorry for him.

* One guy was so slave-ish to his 'sheet' that he wouldn't go over value even by one dollar. He was left over with $27.

* I was the only guy with no cash left over at the end. Everyone else had single digets except for the two guys I mentioned above.

* One guy was such a homer that he had overpaid for the entire Eagles offense, than cursed me out (literally)for winning the bid for Kolb when he was tapped out. I 'ruined his plans'.

The whole thing was an astonishing dive in to the human psyche. I was a last minute sub (only knew 2 people out of a 12 man league) and the whole experience was absolutely worth it. If you've never done an auction before, I highly recommend it.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Pip said:
I would convert all of my leagues to auction if I could.
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The tough part is that everyone really has to be there in person. I can see many problems doing it online.
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That, plus the preparation involved, is why it only really works for leagues with dedicated/hardcore owners. However, one owner in my auction league moved to the West Coast after our initial year, but still participates by phone, and it has worked. You need to have a system in place to do that, but if you do, it's not so bad. I would imagine having more than one team participate remotely might get confusing, though.
 
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Pip said:
I would convert all of my leagues to auction if I could.
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The tough part is that everyone really has to be there in person. I can see many problems doing it online.
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I had an auction draft on Yahoo last night. I typically hate Yahoo's software, but it actually went pretty smoothly (although it took over 3 hours to complete). Only hiccup was when some tool nominated the "other" Adrian Peterson, and someone else quickly bid $50 on him, before realizing error immediately after doing so -- but commish was able to reverse that one mid-draft.
 
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.Mostly all auction virgins.We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
 
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.Mostly all auction virgins.We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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Make sure you have a defined procedure for selling off a player. Since you have a non-owner auctioneer, you are avoiding many of the potential pitfalls right off the bat. Make sure he is consistent in how long he takes to sell off (i.e., the space between "going once" and "going twice" and the space between "going twice" and "sold." Also make sure he identifies who has the current high bid if more than one person chimes in at the same time. Going over everyone's money remaining and max bids every few rounds, especially toward the end, is important. Some guys will get lost and/or have inaccurate info. Get your rivals to drink as much beer as possible!
 
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.

 
We switched to Auction about 10 years ago; agree that it's way better than snake. The big drawback is that it takes a very long time (ours usually takes around 8-10 hours), so you need committed owners.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.
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Wow, I can't even imagine the chaos of an open bidding system where people are just yelling out bids. The way we did it was I would nominate a player, the person to my left would bid or pass (if you pass, you cannot jump in later), than goes to the next owner to the left and so on until the player is 'won'.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
roadkill1292 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.
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Wow, I can't even imagine the chaos of an open bidding system where people are just yelling out bids. The way we did it was I would nominate a player, the person to my left would bid or pass (if you pass, you cannot jump in later), than goes to the next owner to the left and so on until the player is 'won'.
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It's a mess, which is why my league (and 3 others) purchased the FatBox auction system I linked to. Bidding in turn is how the game was originally conceived by the old Rotisserie guys in New York a million years ago and it definitely has its charms.
 
You're preaching to the choir here...

I've been testifying for the auction format for years.

I took our league, kicking and screaming to the auction format in 2001 and we haven't looked back since.

I agree that you need absolutely dedicated owners to participate but when you have that....it's gold!

As the years have passed, some of our owners have moved to other states but the league has kept us all together and given everyone a reason to visit once a year.

We live in NM but owners have scattered to Utah, California, Arizona, and Texas but once a year, on Labor Day Weekend, they all manage to make it back home for the auction!

It's gotten better an better every year

We use a back room in a local sports bar (which one of our owners own).

We pay someone we know $50 and pay for his and his staff's drinks for the night.

The staff consists of a few of the wives or girlfriends.

We're pretty damn organized and the auction is the highlite of the fantasy season!

 
We went to an auction format several years ago and it's the best thing we ever did (we had our draft last night). We have a tight league (10 teamer) and we've only had 2 owners turnover in the past 9 years. Since we all know each other's tendancies now, it makes for a very competitive auction. Here are some of the features of our league that really make it fun:

- We all show up in person for draft day no matter where we are (we have several guys fly into the Bay Area from around the country).

- We make a day of it. Have a big barbeque before the draft (wives/partners welcome). Then the draft gets started around 5pm and all women need to scram.

- We don't bid in order...whoever wants to bid up the previous bid simply needs to call it out. We get into a good rythm - there are rarely disputes or confusion. We are relatively civil when there is.

- Each owner gets up to the draft board to nominate a player in a pre-determined order (drawing numbers out of a hat). That owner "auctions off" the player he has nominted. Once the player is purchased, the successful bidder will walk up to the board, place the player's name sticker in his roster column, and then writes the amount of the winning bid, his maximum bid remaining (total remaining $'s minus the # of rounds left), and his remaining $$ on the board (usually one of the owners is charged with keeping track of this info with a spreasheet). That way all owners know how much $$ each owner has remaining and what their max bid is.

That's it. It's one of the highlights of our year (yes, we should probably get a life!). Anyhow, we have our 10th year anniversary draft scheduled for Vegas next year (barring an NFL lock-out). I can honestly say that if you're not doing an auction draft, you're missing out on one of the very best parts of FF.

 
Here's how we did our auction.

We drew a random order from 1 - 12.

We sat around the table in the order of the number we drew.

Team 1 puts any player he wants up for bid at whatever $ amount he wants.

We proceed around the table in order and each owner could either up the bid or pass. If you pass you can no longer bid on that player. This continues until only the team with the highest bid is left and gets the player. If no one bids on a player then the team that put the player up for bid gets them.

Next Team 2 puts any player he wants up for bid and the process repeats etc.

$100 budget per team.

Must come out of the auction with a full roster of 15 and must be able to field a starting lineup of QB, RB, RB, WR,WR, TE, K, DEF.

We had an Excel spreadsheet projected on a screen showing how much money any team had left at any time during the auction.

 
RamMan said:
- Each owner gets up to the draft board to nominate a player in a pre-determined order (drawing numbers out of a hat). That owner "auctions off" the player he has nominted. Once the player is purchased, the successful bidder will walk up to the board, place the player's name sticker in his roster column, and then writes the amount of the winning bid, his maximum bid remaining (total remaining $'s minus the # of rounds left), and his remaining $$ on the board (usually one of the owners is charged with keeping track of this info with a spreasheet). That way all owners know how much $$ each owner has remaining and what their max bid is.That's it. It's one of the highlights of our year (yes, we should probably get a life!). Anyhow, we have our 10th year anniversary draft scheduled for Vegas next year (barring an NFL lock-out). I can honestly say that if you're not doing an auction draft, you're missing out on one of the very best parts of FF.
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We do something similar. We have a predetermined nominating order where each owner goes up to the board and nominates a player at an opening bid. Other owners yell out their bids. Usually only a couple of owners at a time. Its up to the nominating owner to run the auction on that player. We do the whole "going once, going twice, SOLD!" and put the name and winning amount on the board. Each owner is responsible for keeping track of everyone's remaining cap space, but we do stop occasionally to make sure we're all in agreement with the money.Draft Dominator is very handy for this, btw.
 
good info here - thanks

With the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?

Or is this even a realistic goal?

I know online at ESPN move very fast for the 2nd half and 2 1/2 to 3 hours is the norm.

 
Alberta Clipper said:
good info here - thanksWith the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?I know online at ESPN move very fast for the 2nd half and 2 1/2 to 3 hours is the norm.
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It's hard to auction off 192 players in under 4 hours but at the Md/DC/Va/Pa Footballguys Leeg auction last month, we did 210 players in 3:45. But we had high tech equipment and very efficient and knowledgeable owners in that one (not including me).
 
Speed it up by giving the owners only one bid.

Nominate, give a set amount of time (we do a minute) while owners write down their bid on the provided draft sheet, then start going around the room calling out bids (rotate starting point).

This usually also causes some hilarious over bids.

 
One of my long time commishes decided to start a new league this year, and it is an auction with IDP's! I am in a couple of auction leagues but this is the first one with IDP's and it is a blast. We are doing it online at mfl.com with a 12 hour clock. 40 man rosters. We just started Friday and it is moving right along. Auctions are definitely the way to go. :bag:

 
Deranged Hermit said:
roadkill1292 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.
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Wow, I can't even imagine the chaos of an open bidding system where people are just yelling out bids. The way we did it was I would nominate a player, the person to my left would bid or pass (if you pass, you cannot jump in later), than goes to the next owner to the left and so on until the player is 'won'.
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Open bidding is way more interesting, and not nearly as chaotic as you'd think it would be, provided that the auctioneer knows what he's doing.
 
I just had an auction draft, too, but it was the first one that followed the traditional format. $200 cap, 14 teams. I took a long time figuring how to distribute 224 players against the $2800 that was going to be spent, but that turned out to be almost a waste of time. The first player put up for bid was Chris Johnson and he went for $105! ADP then went for $98 and then the room was abuzz over the tremendous "value" of the owner who got Ray Rice for $67. I soon realized this wasn't going to go the way I thought it was going to go. With one exception I managed to resist the feeding frenzy and ended up with a very deep team, albiet without any players that would have been considered for a first round pick in a redraft.

So I got a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier players. I don't think I have a single player who wouldn't have been drafted in an 8 team league. We'll see how it goes. My best players are Romo and Marshall. But my depth is unbelievable for a 14 teamer. Oh and at least 8 kickers went from more than a buck. :bag:

 
Alberta Clipper said:
With the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?
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Have more keepers. But otherwise, you should be close to that if everyone is on the ball. It's when you have folks who take forever to figure out someone to nominate or call out players who are already gone that things can drag. Last year, our 14-team, 280-player league (with a handful of keepers per team) finished in 4 1/2 hours, even with one guy participating by phone. That was the league's third year -- the first two took a bit longer. The more experience owners have with the format, the faster it will go.
 
Jeremy said:
I soon realized this wasn't going to go the way I thought it was going to go.
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Auctions are fun like that!
Jeremy said:
With one exception I managed to resist the feeding frenzy and ended up with a very deep team, albiet without any players that would have been considered for a first round pick in a redraft. So I got a lot of 2nd and 3rd tier players. I don't think I have a single player who wouldn't have been drafted in an 8 team league. We'll see how it goes. My best players are Romo and Marshall. But my depth is unbelievable for a 14 teamer. Oh and at least 8 kickers went from more than a buck. :hophead:
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That's actually a very good strategy for a 14-team league. Stars-and-scrubs is very risky in a large league because most of the $1 players are likely to suck.
 
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tex said:
One of my long time commishes decided to start a new league this year, and it is an auction with IDP's! I am in a couple of auction leagues but this is the first one with IDP's and it is a blast. We are doing it online at mfl.com with a 12 hour clock. 40 man rosters. We just started Friday and it is moving right along. Auctions are definitely the way to go. :ph34r:
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I want to do this in the worst way for my long-time 'main big-money' league. It took me half past forever to get my change-fearing owners to buy into IDPs though, so I expect another 6-8 years to finally get them on board the auction train. :lmao: Auctions are where it's at.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
roadkill1292 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.
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Wow, I can't even imagine the chaos of an open bidding system where people are just yelling out bids. The way we did it was I would nominate a player, the person to my left would bid or pass (if you pass, you cannot jump in later), than goes to the next owner to the left and so on until the player is 'won'.
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It's a headache.But one of the other owners usually takes over if I'm involved in bidding, but he's not.

but yea, it's chaos

 
I thought I wanted an auction for my league until I read this thread.

It seems really cool, but also seems like you really have to have ultra dedicated owners and to have your crap really organized as a commish.

I don't think I'm ready to make that leap.

The skill component on it would be such that casual owners would get crushed.

 
I'm also in a "Blind-Bid" Auction.

A player is brought up, and everyone writes down a bid, high bidder gets the player.

This is crazy, but fun. You need to be up to date on how much players go for every year.

:goodposting:

 
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I'm also in a "Blind-Bid" Auction.A player is brought up, and everyone writes down a bid, high bidder gets the player. This is crazy, but fun. You need to be up to date on how much players go for every year. :goodposting:
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We just voted in a "blind bid" for waiver wire pickups this year (as opposed to reverse standings order). I've been trying to get my auction league to do this for 4 years and finally got the 6 out of 10 votes I needed last week. I'm really looking forward to it because you get the thrill of an auction every week. Not sure I'd like the "blind bid" on draft night tho - half the fun of the draft for me is watching some owners bid up a player against another owner and then get stuck with an overpriced player tryign to be too cute. Happens at least a few times every draft.
 
Alberta Clipper said:
With the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?
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The auctioneer needs to stay on top of things. One thing that speeds up the auction is for knowledgeable owners to jump the bids to near the norm. For example, if ADP is projected to go for roughly $60, be the guy to get it to $50 right away (don't let the bids go $34 - $35 - $36 - etc. when everyone knows he will go for much more). This happened early on in our first couple auction drafts so boost the price of a guy to 80% projected value helps speed it up. Of course, having the auctioneer be aggressive and consistent will make things go quickly and smoothly.
 
Mr.Pack said:
Deranged Hermit said:
roadkill1292 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Alberta Clipper said:
ESPN makes the online auction experience work very well actually.

I'd be interested in the procedure/protocol for live in person auctions. I've only done them online and we're starting a new auction redraft league in person this year in a few wks.

Mostly all auction virgins.

We will have an auctioneer to help coordinate the bidding and franchise cap remaining, max bid, etc.

What else has worked and not worked from your experience in person?
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For in person auctions, the most important thing is to establish a bidding order and follow that fairly strictly. Things can get very confusing if people bid out of turn. After our 'dinner break' we established a rule that, if you bid out of turn, you were eliminated from bidding. This was done because the aforementioned guy who bid on everyone the first hour was constantly bidding out of turn and confusing things. An auctioneer is absolutely essential, someone in the draft cannot be relied on to kep track of bidding and bid himself.
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Now we're getting into open auctions vs "poker style" auctions. Few leagues use the latter but they can be very interesting and easier to keep organized. My league did this for many years.For open auctions, having an auctioneer is a big step in the right direction. The ultimate step costs $480.
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Wow, I can't even imagine the chaos of an open bidding system where people are just yelling out bids. The way we did it was I would nominate a player, the person to my left would bid or pass (if you pass, you cannot jump in later), than goes to the next owner to the left and so on until the player is 'won'.
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It's a headache.But one of the other owners usually takes over if I'm involved in bidding, but he's not.

but yea, it's chaos
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Its no big deal. We just have whoever nominated the player responsible for saying "Going once, going twice, SOLD".
 
BoomBoom said:
Alberta Clipper said:
With the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?
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The auctioneer needs to stay on top of things. One thing that speeds up the auction is for knowledgeable owners to jump the bids to near the norm. For example, if ADP is projected to go for roughly $60, be the guy to get it to $50 right away (don't let the bids go $34 - $35 - $36 - etc. when everyone knows he will go for much more). This happened early on in our first couple auction drafts so boost the price of a guy to 80% projected value helps speed it up. Of course, having the auctioneer be aggressive and consistent will make things go quickly and smoothly.
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Agree to an extent, like the example you mentioned. But I've seen lots of players go for far less then projected just because there's little interest. If I'm willing to go to $50 on a player and the bidding slows in the mid 30's, I'm increasing by the minimum amount. I had an auction recently and I got players for half what I was willing to pay. I say gauge the interest and bid accordingly. Values vary greatly among owners and they don't all follow the same projections.
 
I don't get where auctions need dedicated owners. Every participant benefits from the "wisdom in crowds" from other bids. When everyone has money they get players for $1 more than the guy who did the most homework would bid. I've seen it many times.

We've done open bidding for years. Nominator of player runs each auction. Going once - twice - sold. Progressively faster if run to the limit back to back. Take it make it on who nominates the next player.

 
schu said:
I don't get where auctions need dedicated owners. Every participant benefits from the "wisdom in crowds" from other bids. When everyone has money they get players for $1 more than the guy who did the most homework would bid. I've seen it many times.

We've done open bidding for years. Nominator of player runs each auction. Going once - twice - sold. Progressively faster if run to the limit back to back. Take it make it on who nominates the next player.
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Yeah but that only works while they have money. Carelessly bidding $1 more to get the players only lasts so long. The strategy is knowing when to spend and when to bail. The value is all at the end of the auction for those who have money left. I've seen lots of players go for a buck or two just because no one has money left.
 
We just did the random draft order for my main league tonite and I got the #1 pick. And as much as I LOVE CJ2K and ADP I would MUCH rather do an auction. There is simply no argument that convinces me auction isnt superior in every way, shape, and form.

Unfortunately this year, I am not in any auction leagues. Looking at the last minute to join one. Someone let me know if they have an opening.

 
Amused to Death said:
schu said:
I don't get where auctions need dedicated owners. Every participant benefits from the "wisdom in crowds" from other bids. When everyone has money they get players for $1 more than the guy who did the most homework would bid. I've seen it many times.

We've done open bidding for years. Nominator of player runs each auction. Going once - twice - sold. Progressively faster if run to the limit back to back. Take it make it on who nominates the next player.
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Yeah but that only works while they have money. Carelessly bidding $1 more to get the players only lasts so long. The strategy is knowing when to spend and when to bail. The value is all at the end of the auction for those who have money left. I've seen lots of players go for a buck or two just because no one has money left.
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Only about 60 players have significant VBD in a given year. Someone always has money to prevent a ridiculous fire sale of one of these 60.Beyond that people are filling needs and value appears to be greater than reality simply because people have significantly different valuations for players in the middle "rounds".

Not saying there aren't some deals but there's a reason everyone walks out of an auction liking their team.

 
Mr.Pack said:
I'm also in a "Blind-Bid" Auction.A player is brought up, and everyone writes down a bid, high bidder gets the player. This is crazy, but fun. You need to be up to date on how much players go for every year. :thumbup:
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Last year, we experimented by doing a round of blind bidding in the same manner. It was a lot of fun and the guys wanted to expand it this year. We may try 18 or 24 players with blind bidding. For the most part, the bids were pretty fair although we had one or two overbid players.Another experiment that we did was to have a short snake draft for our IDPs, Team Defenses and Kickers a few days before our auction draft. The previous year, we wasted time on all these low-dollar bids. It just wasn't worth. So, we cut down our auction draft time and we built some pre-auction draft hype with the short snake draft.
 
schu said:
I don't get where auctions need dedicated owners. Every participant benefits from the "wisdom in crowds" from other bids. When everyone has money they get players for $1 more than the guy who did the most homework would bid. I've seen it many times.
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Unless there are two people who haven't done the most homework.
 
First auction was baseball this year where I got Mauer, Utley and Hanley. This would never have been possible in a draft and allowed me the freedom to do what I wanted to with my team . I've read some of the arguements for drafts but nothing beats will ever beat an auction in my opinion. It's like being freed from the confines of the player available at your spot to having everyone as a possible pick!

 
roadkill1292 said:
Alberta Clipper said:
good info here - thanksWith the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?I know online at ESPN move very fast for the 2nd half and 2 1/2 to 3 hours is the norm.
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It's hard to auction off 192 players in under 4 hours but at the Md/DC/Va/Pa Footballguys Leeg auction last month, we did 210 players in 3:45. But we had high tech equipment and very efficient and knowledgeable owners in that one (not including me).
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:thumbup: 1. Big endorser of auction format2. Big ups to the system / tool used for the auction3. Live auctions are clearly much better - but so are live drafts4. Haven't done an online auction in a bit (not since FantasyAuctioneer went away) - but I'd be game to do it again. Auctions are a really fun way to go.5. If you cannot get your league to switch to auction, at least try to get them to FAAB (free agent auction budget) for waivers / free agents. That should get them a taste of using $ to get players - which will lead towards an auction.6. An auctioneer (such as roadkill, I am in the league he mentioned above) is a great idea. 7. Auction night is an outstanding kickoff to the league every year.
 
BoomBoom said:
Alberta Clipper said:
With the type of auction where anyone can bid at any time what are some tips to try and get the auction done (12 teams / 192 players) in under 4 hours?Or is this even a realistic goal?
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The auctioneer needs to stay on top of things. One thing that speeds up the auction is for knowledgeable owners to jump the bids to near the norm. For example, if ADP is projected to go for roughly $60, be the guy to get it to $50 right away (don't let the bids go $34 - $35 - $36 - etc. when everyone knows he will go for much more). This happened early on in our first couple auction drafts so boost the price of a guy to 80% projected value helps speed it up. Of course, having the auctioneer be aggressive and consistent will make things go quickly and smoothly.
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We had one guy last year who took it a step farther. This league was a $100 cap and min bids were $2 to fill 16 roster spots. 12 teams. We had one Bears fan amongst us Packers fan. Big guy, kind of obnoxious, but fun to have around. We had bidded up Matt Forte into the low $20s and suddenly he crosses his big arms and bellows out in an almost angry voice, "$40!!!" Dead silence. Finally the auctioneer regains his composer and did the "going once, going twice..." bit. I think he might have gotten him a tad cheaper. Apparently you don't **** around when it comes to Matt Forte. :no: Suffice to say, he didn't do too well.
 
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