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HC Fisher says RB Brown is Titans starting running back

Craig Tapper

7/26/2006

NASHVILLE, TN, July 26, 2006 -- Despite the agents for running back Chris Brown requesting a trade earlier this week, Titans head coach Jeff Fisher said Wednesday that doesn’t necessarily mean Brown wants out of Tennessee.

Brown's agents, Ryan Morgan and Wynn Silberman, officially requested a trade in a letter sent to the club on Monday. Brown is entering the final year of his contract and his agents, who were seeking a contract extension, feel he might be a better fit with another team.

The Titans currently have Travis Henry, a former Pro Bowler with the Buffalo Bills, and drafted USC’s LenDale White in April’s NFL Draft. In addition, the club has Jarrett Payton, Damien Nash and seventh-round draft pick Quinton Ganther.

“I have not spoken with Chris,” said Fisher, who currently has Brown slated at the top of the team’s depth chart. “That does not surprise me and that should be an indication of where Chris is (in this process). I could understand Chris wanting an extension. Chris wants to be here. So, him asking for a trade does not imply that he doesn’t want to be here.”

Fisher believes that the trade request may stem from Brown switching agents and the coach is unwilling to pinpoint Brown as being the originator of the trade request.

“I’ll speak candidly on the topic,” Fisher said. “Chris changed agents and new agents came in and they had a sit-down meeting and they want to talk extension. Right now’s not necessarily the time to talk extension because we’re busy with other contracts. They took it upon themselves to demand a trade and went public with it, so to me, I’m going to throw this in the agents’ laps and not Chris’.”

Originally selected out of the University of Colorado in the third round of the 2003 NFL Draft, Brown has compiled impressive numbers during his two years as the starter. In 2004, he rushed for 1,067 yards (4.9-yard avg.) and last season tallied 851 yards in 15 contests.

With training camp set to open Friday at Austin Peay, the front office is focused on securing contracts with the team’s three remaining unsigned draft picks, including Vince Young, White, and Terna Nande.

“Chris has had a great off-season,” Fisher said. “He’s in probably the best shape since he’s been here. He’s our starting running back.”

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Translation: "In this market where RB's have no real trade value we couldn't get anything for him even if we tried so we may just as well annoint him the starter until week #2 when he gets dinged up and can play anyone we want while "waiting for Chris to get back to 100%"."

 
true dat. The more I look at this 06 class of RBs, the more I think about going WR-Peyton in the first two rounds

 
Translation: "In this market where RB's have no real trade value we couldn't get anything for him even if we tried so we may just as well annoint him the starter until week #2 when he gets dinged up and can play anyone we want while "waiting for Chris to get back to 100%"."
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Not bad...Or you could translate it to read...

We want to see how good or healed White is in camp before we cut ties with Brown. Despite being fragile he makes a nice insurance policy so let's call him the starter; pacify his support group and get him in pads. Putting him first on the depth chart meets our current business needs. Once we draw a bead on White either stick by our word or dump Brown to the highest bidder.

 
Fisher isn't fresh off the turnip truck, this was exactly what he should have said. Obviously saying Chris Brown = the starter today is a far cry from saying he'll be the starter in Week One.

The way I see it, it's not Brown's decision to control. LenDale White really decides this battle. Fisher called him a franchise caliber back post the draft and ultimately White either will or will not outperform Brown. Fisher and his staff know what Brown can bring to the table. They're hopeful, but not sure that White can bring a whole lot more.

 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.

 
It is no secret that when players switch agents, the agents get no money until they sign their next contract. Fischer has been at this long enough, and seems like a straight shooter, I don't find it hard to believe that the agents pressured Brown into requesting a new contract. Especially because his value may never be higher.

 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?

 
I see this statement as having 2 main reasons:

1. Who wants to trade an RB who is being beaten out by a 2nd round rookie with a reputation for manboobs? Annointing Brown the starter allows the Titans to market him as a feature RB, rather than a nicked up back up.

2. Calling Brown the starter lets White and Henry know that they are going to have to earn the spot, so that whover gets after it the most and performs is going to play. Right now, Brown is the man... unless the other two can prove him wrong. It's a motivator.

My "too sents" :hophead:

 
Translation: Only a bonehead agent would go public with a trade request for Brown at the same time as the team is negotiating with L.White for a contract if getting a trade was the real objective.

If Brown really wanted a trade, he would insist he is ther starter, wait until Titans had signed White to as cheap a contract as possible, and then demand a trade. Here it looks like Brown's agent is either an idiot for not realizing that, or he is simply trying to make White think he has more leverage than he does so that White will hold out, miss camp, and never threaten Brown's role as starter this year. So Fisher is saying "hey, we're trying to sign White here you dumb agent, and our position is that Brown is the starter because to say otherwise only makes it harder to sign White for a reasonable amount."

 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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:goodposting: and :own3d:
 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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The statement by Fisher means absolutely nothing, IMO. Of course Brown is their starting RB (right now). In the end, I believe LenDale will be their feature back before the season is out. I'm guessing Brown or Henry will be moved by the trading deadline.

 
Translation: Only a bonehead agent would go public with a trade request for Brown at the same time as the team is negotiating with L.White for a contract if getting a trade was the real objective.

If Brown really wanted a trade, he would insist he is ther starter, wait until Titans had signed White to as cheap a contract as possible, and then demand a trade. Here it looks like Brown's agent is either an idiot for not realizing that, or he is simply trying to make White think he has more leverage than he does so that White will hold out, miss camp, and never threaten Brown's role as starter this year. So Fisher is saying "hey, we're trying to sign White here you dumb agent, and our position is that Brown is the starter because to say otherwise only makes it harder to sign White for a reasonable amount."
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I agree, but I wouldn't expect that the Titans are too worried about White's mid-second round caliber contract. Naming Brown the starter does give them a bit of leverage, however, because if Brown is gone, White is less a 2nd rounder and more a potential starter. Either way, I think this means that the Titans plan to pay Lendale no more than his 2nd round slot deserves.
 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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Howabout you change it up to RBs with at least 200 carries over the last 2 years?Then what is it? Not that I think Brown is "awesome", but he has been a fine starter.

 
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Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

wasnt he leading the NFL in rushing 2 years ago(2nd year in the league, 1st as a starter) after week 7 or 8?
Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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Howabout you change it up to RBs with at least 200 carries over the last 2 years?Then what is it? Not that I think Brown is "awesome", but he has been a fine starter.
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Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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Howabout you change it up to RBs with at least 200 carries over the last 2 years?Then what is it? Not that I think Brown is "awesome", but he has been a fine starter.
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wasnt he leading the NFL in rushing 2 years ago(2nd year in the league, 1st as a starter) after week 7 or 8?
 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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Howabout you change it up to RBs with at least 200 carries over the last 2 years?Then what is it? Not that I think Brown is "awesome", but he has been a fine starter.
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wasnt he leading the NFL in rushing 2 years ago(2nd year in the league, 1st as a starter) after week 7 or 8?
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1) The other weeks don't count?2) TDs don't impact fantasy value?

3) Receptions and receiving yards don't impact fantasy value?

 
Nobody wants to get rid of Chris Brown. When he's healthy, he's awesome. Unlike FFers, GMs in the NFL don't wash their hands of a player with talent on the theory that he's injury prone. Look at Deshaun Foster or even Corell Buckhalter or Fredy Taylor. They keep getting chances, b/c they have talent. If Brown can stay healthy, he is a 1,500 yard rusher with very good receiving skills. Nobody is trying to replace him, but Tennessee (and the rest of the NFL) believes you need at least two guys with complementary skills to man the position.
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Hey Z,I think that's pushing things. He's AWESOME? Maybe saying he's "effective" or "better than average" I could stomach, but AWESOME?

In the last four years...for all RBs with at least 100 carries, Chris Brown ranks:

Yards per rush -- 4.29 (35th among RBs)
TDs per rush % -- 2.2% (66th among RBs)
First Down conversion % (1-3 yards to go) -- 50% (119th among RBs!)
Goal Line TD conversion % -- 31% (49th among RBs)That's AWESOME!?!?
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Howabout you change it up to RBs with at least 200 carries over the last 2 years?Then what is it? Not that I think Brown is "awesome", but he has been a fine starter.
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1) I didn't say he sucked, I questioned Z-man's proclamation that Chris Brown was "awesome." And it seems you and I agree that Brown is not "awesome."2) As to your request to segment the last two years and only look at backs with 200 carries...happy to oblige.

There have been 45 RBs that have at least 200 carries over the last two seasons...

Chris Brown's rankings:

Yards per rush = 4.33 (RB14)
TD% per rush = 2.48% (RB25)
1st Down Conversion (1-3 Yards) = 51% (RB41)
Goal line TD % = 33% (RB40)Again, Chris Brown has been servicable, and isn't someone a team like the Titans should simply jettison; but he's a) certainly not been "awesome" and b) he hasn't been a fine starter either. He's one of the five worst short yardage backs using your defined data set, he's in the bottom half in terms of scoring, he's among the bottom fifth in terms of goal line prowess, and he's slightly better than the median in terms of yards per rush.

 
1) The other weeks don't count?

2) TDs don't impact fantasy value?

3) Receptions and receiving yards don't impact fantasy value?
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Wood Wood Wood...Pimping a guy that won't be the starter this season unless Brown gets injured & wouldn't perform well FF wise even if he does become the starter. :no: Brown will be the starter unless he gets hurt this year. Tenn will groom White this season as a short yardage back & spellman.

Remember his first year as a starter? Brown put up "awesome" stats for a guy behind a weak line. In 2006, White couldn't whiff leading the league in rushing through 7 weeks even if he were named the starter before week 1. Brown > White based on ability.

You are driving a band wagon with a broken axle & no engine.

 
1) The other weeks don't count?

2) TDs don't impact fantasy value?

3) Receptions and receiving yards don't impact fantasy value?
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Wood Wood Wood...Pimping a guy that won't be the starter this season unless Brown gets injured & wouldn't perform well FF wise even if he does become the starter. :no: Brown will be the starter unless he gets hurt this year. Tenn will groom White this season as a short yardage back & spellman.

Remember his first year as a starter? Brown put up "awesome" stats for a guy behind a weak line. In 2006, White couldn't whiff leading the league in rushing through 7 weeks even if he were named the starter before week 1. Brown > White based on ability.

You are driving a band wagon with a broken axle & no engine.
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:lmao:
 
Brown will be the sleeper RB of the year

FF players put to much value in rookies like White
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Guarantee you you're wrong.White comes into camp already knowing the system. This is an advantage that rookies never have. I imagine it has happened maybe once or twice before, but regardless, it is certainly not the norm for a blue chip rookie prospect to be drafted into an offense with the same OC as he played 2 years in college with.

White starts for this team, and this is just to make him "earn" the job.

Brown was sleeper of the year in 2004 when I picked him up in the 15th round and landed a 1000 yard rusher.

1) The other weeks don't count?

2) TDs don't impact fantasy value?

3) Receptions and receiving yards don't impact fantasy value?
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Brown will be the starter unless he gets hurt this year. Tenn will groom White this season as a short yardage back & spellman.
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Bet you a lifetime sig White leads this team in rushing and rushing TDs in 2006.My question to you all is, if you were HC, and you were trying to get maximum value for your RB, would you say "no, he's going to sit on the bench all year because this rookie we drafted will start week 1" ?

 
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1) The other weeks don't count?

2) TDs don't impact fantasy value?

3) Receptions and receiving yards don't impact fantasy value?
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Wood Wood Wood...Pimping a guy that won't be the starter this season unless Brown gets injured & wouldn't perform well FF wise even if he does become the starter. :no: Brown will be the starter unless he gets hurt this year. Tenn will groom White this season as a short yardage back & spellman.

Remember his first year as a starter? Brown put up "awesome" stats for a guy behind a weak line. In 2006, White couldn't whiff leading the league in rushing through 7 weeks even if he were named the starter before week 1. Brown > White based on ability.

You are driving a band wagon with a broken axle & no engine.
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I respect your opinion, but I think as long as White shows some discipline and gets into shape in camp, your prediction will be way off course.
 
My question to you all is, if you were HC, and you were trying to get maximum value for your RB, would you say "no, he's going to sit on the bench all year because this rookie we drafted will start week 1" ?
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As HC, I would say, let's start the best RB that will give us the best chance to win.As of today, sounds like Fisher has said that.

 
if the Titans are going to return to the glory days of the power rushing attack,

i think lendale fits the (eddie george) mold better than cbrown.

 
'04 game log:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 mia | 16 100 | 5 | 0 || 2 ind | 26 152 | 8 | 1 || 3 jax | 23 101 | 30 | 1 || 4 sdg | 15 55 | 15 | 0 || 5 gnb | 27 148 | 24 | 2 |This is the span where Brown was "awesome"... and only that span in a 3 year career... In my opinion, most (if not any) RBs can have a 5 game span last this... I don't want to build my FF team like this...

Obviously, it's a different ballgame when you think real football versus FF... If I ran an NFL team and could have a 25 year old RB with his talent - at a cheap price... I would certainly want him...

My 2 cents...

 
Maybe you missed the point? Even if White becomes the starter because the coach :wub: him, White is not a guy I'd want to start every week.

FF reality, these guys are being drafted as a #4 RB in a 12 team league (possibly a shaky #3 RB range) I'd much rather take a chance on Brown helping me through my bye weeks than the hope a 2nd round rook that benefitted from a superior supporting cast passes two talented backs by week 5-7.

I am expecting a RBBC effort with Brown playing the FWP type role & White the Bus role. Brown will finish the season with more yards & White more TDs which won't be very high on this squad.

Translate this:

White is a back used to seeing gaping holes on a dominating team @ college speed...stepping into an inferior NFL team that will be playing from behind most weeks. How well can White run when there is just a small seam? Can he create holes in the NFL to gain a few yards? Add in the speed and power of todays linebackers & I'd wager White will look more like a rookie Ron Dayne than a feature RB.

Also, are you thinking ROY type stats from Brown under these circumstances? If so, you must think White = LT in ability. Hell, even Henry was a productive back in Buffalo before trying to run p/t in Tenn.

 
Bet you a lifetime sig White leads this team in rushing and rushing TDs in 2006.

My question to you all is, if you were HC, and you were trying to get maximum value for your RB, would you say "no, he's going to sit on the bench all year because this rookie we drafted will start week 1" ?
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I think you are half right. White will get the TDs, but Brown (unless traded) is going to get the yards.I'd take the sig bet, but it's not fair to you since I don't post on this bored nearly as much as you. How about a lifetime sig sentance for me if you win & a year's jail time for you if White doesn't lead in rushing & TDs. (Bet is null if Brown gets traded. Injury doesn't let either of us off the hook.)

The HC speak comment I agree with. I'm hoping you are right & Brown gets moved to a team like Denver. It would be nice to see a kid like him get a shot in a system that fits his abilities better. Instead, Brown is probably going to play his butt off this to land a phat contract at the end of the season. Gotta love talented backs playing in the last year of a contract. :)

 
I know about the hamstring....I know about the attitude...I know about the slide in the draft....

That said, I have one question: DID NO ONE ELSE WATCH LENDALE WHITE LAST YEAR?

On January 4th, he was the 1 of the 2 best players on the field by a WIDE margin.

"But Colin, that's college!"

Yeah yeah. I realize that, but mine eyes have seen the coming of the glory of the Lendale, and they don't lie. Lendale White is admittedly not as exciting as Reggie Bush, nor LT2, nor a number of other talented runners who took "exciting" and have made it (or will soon make it) something wonderful to behold. But that doesn't negate the effectiveness and the ability of the guy. I have been the biggest proponents of George, then Brown, and to a point even Henry on this board and I can say with great certainty that Lendale White is EASILY the most talented running back on that Roster.

Brown's problems are the same ones we peg on White and Henry: health and motivation. THat being equal (and it essentially is in my view), I'll take the guy who has done amazing things recently on Saturdays over the guys that have done mediocre things recently on Sundays.

COlin

 
I know about the hamstring....I know about the attitude...I know about the slide in the draft....

That said, I have one question: DID NO ONE ELSE WATCH LENDALE WHITE LAST YEAR?

On January 4th, he was the 1 of the 2 best players on the field by a WIDE margin.

"But Colin, that's college!"

Yeah yeah. I realize that, but mine eyes have seen the coming of the glory of the Lendale, and they don't lie. Lendale White is admittedly not as exciting as Reggie Bush, nor LT2, nor a number of other talented runners who took "exciting" and have made it (or will soon make it) something wonderful to behold. But that doesn't negate the effectiveness and the ability of the guy. I have been the biggest proponents of George, then Brown, and to a point even Henry on this board and I can say with great certainty that Lendale White is EASILY the most talented running back on that Roster.

Brown's problems are the same ones we peg on White and Henry: health and motivation. THat being equal (and it essentially is in my view), I'll take the guy who has done amazing things recently on Saturdays over the guys that have done mediocre things recently on Sundays.

COlin
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Don't hold us in suspense man. Tell us who you think the starter will be. :D
 
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