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Normally, I'd avoid a guy in his first week back but 1) I need a bye week replacement, 2) he's coming off a bye week, and 3) he might have value down the road as a flex. Thoughts?

 
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I have Gates on a bye. I'm wondering the same thing. I don't believe there is any news yet, other than "they hope" he can be back.

 
He was getting more involved in the offense against Pitt. He said all week that he wanted the ball more, and he was during the game....until he got hurt. That being said I think they will continue to throw him the ball more and more, seeing as he is the only true talent on that offense other than Gore.

He has some value down the stretch if healthy.

 
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DWell786 said:
Normally, I'd avoid a guy in his first week back but 1) I need a bye week replacement, 2) he's coming off a bye week, and 3) he might have value down the road as a flex. Thoughts?
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LOL... I have Gates on a bye in a league with a WR/TE flex... so we're on the same page, but I'm also thinking about his usefulness going forward in the flex spot (Reggie Brown is there right now)... DO YOU THINK HE CAN POST WR3 NUMBERS BEYOND WEEK #7???
 
ProBowler88 said:
He was getting more involved in the offense against Pitt. He said all week that he wanted the ball more, and he was during the game....until he got hurt. That being said I think they will continue to throw him the ball more and more, seeing as he is the only true talent on that offense other than Gore. He has some value down the stretch if healthy.
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WR3 VALUE (in a 16-team league)???
 
Not much of a fan as long as Dilfer is throwing the rock in SF...maybe try David Martin/MIA? Lemon's going to be throwing a lot to keep up with NE.

 
malice said:
Not much of a fan as long as Dilfer is throwing the rock in SF...maybe try David Martin/MIA? Lemon's going to be throwing a lot to keep up with NE.
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I think Dilfer destroys Jackson-Battle value, but I would have thought he can't wait to use V Davis as a security blanket... I'm thinking Owen Daniel type stat lines... no?
 
Last Monday Nolan stated at worst Davis and Smith will be questionable. Last wednesday or thursday, Davis was running routes and Smith was throwing to him.

Also, Smith has stated he will let the team know Wednesday if he can play or not.

 
I wouldn't expect much of anything from Davis until the offensive line (literally) improves dramatically. The good news is that Nolan has always used his bye weeks very effectively, and has made changes that improve the team's most glaring weakness. If he can figure out a way to give Smith more than a nanosecond to make a read, we could see more of Davis in the passing game. If not, he's just another blocker.

 
Interesting take from Steve Young on the offense as a whole...

Young: 49ers offensive woes tied to philosophy

Column by Art Spander

Article Last Updated: 10/13/2007 02:35:19 AM PDT

WHAT he sees isn't different from what the rest of us see, a 49ers offense stumbling over its own apprehension.

Steve Young's view, however, is enhanced. He did play the game, played it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, played it to the Super Bowl MVP trophy.

If you think these are difficult times for Niner fans, they are worse for Young, not only as a retired Niner but also as a quarterback who loved the wheels turning and the yards mounting.

Young these days, when gray is nibbling at his dark hair, is both a commentator for ESPN's "Monday Night Football" and, more significantly because of his local knowledge, a Thursday afternoon regular with Ralph Barbieri and Tom Tolbert, a.k.a. the Razor and Mr.T., on their eclectic KNBR drive-time show.

You want to know what's wrong with the 2-3 Niners, who are averaging a morsel above 200 yards a game? They're being asked, Young explained, to keep it close.

"And that philosophy loses more games than wins them," Young correctly explained on the program.

Barbieri wondered if Norv Turner still were offensive coordinator, instead of Jim Hostler, the Niners wouldn't act as if they were terrified of doing something with a football instead of just trying to hold on to it.

"I think this is a study in philosophy," Young said. "I've seen it over the years. You talk about great, game-day play callers, and how rare they are, guys who have no regard for worrying about what the press is going to say, what the head coach will say. Guys who show, 'Look, I call my plays, and this is how I feel about it.'"

Guys like Turner. Like Mike Holmgren, when he was with the Niners. Like Mike Shanahan, when he was with the Niners. Like Marty Mornhinweg, when he was with the Niners. Young played for all of them.

"I love offensive coordinators who have the X-factor," Young pointed out. "It's like, 'Look I have a feel for this game, and I'm not going to be denied.' I'm not sure (Niner head coach) Mike Nolan is giving that kind of freedom. He's saying, we have a good defense, keep it close.

"That's where the Niners are right now, and the problem is it's exactly like we were in'96-97, when we lost our running threat, Ricky Watters — although no question we were a lot more dynamic than this team. We didn't have anyone who made defenses scared. When that happens, defenses start to creep and creep and creep, and I'm telling you first downs can be so difficult. I can only imagine what Hostler's facing right now, and what Trent Dilfer's facing."

The Niners are meeting this week, meeting and practicing. No game Sunday. Bye week. As opposed to the 9-7 loss to Baltimore. That might have been bye-bye week.

This was supposed to be a break-out season, a winning season. Quarterback Alex Smith went down temporarily with a separated shoulder. Receiver Vernon Davis went down with a bad knee.

The Niners are tip-toeing around, hoping nobody discovers them, but it's too late. Their opponents know. We all know.

"This team is not going to go very far," Young said. "It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The offense says, we're going to be careful. The opposing defense says, we're going to creep more. Pretty soon the air is out of it. The comments from the Ravens. They said they shouldn't have given (the 49ers) one first down."

Nolan, perhaps, knows what Steve can only guess, that the offense, especially with Dilfer in for Smith, especially with an underachieving offensive line, is not to be trusted. And yet, this isn't a question of if it ain't broke don't fix it. It's very broken, maybe beyond repair.

"The Niners have a pretty good defense," Young agreed. "They're probably not going to give up 30, although it will happen once in a while. A three-touchdown or under game, and anyone is in that game, anyone with an offense. Last Sunday, the Niners had nothing going on, and they were one play from winning."

The play they couldn't make. The play they wouldn't make.

Young believes Smith has the potential to be an outstanding quarterback. Does he have the guidance?

"What I'd like to see," Young said, "is for Alex to tell himself, 'I'm going got grab this thing by the throat, I'm going to make the offensive coordinator call the plays I'm comfortable with.'"
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He's healthy and he's playing. Now that I'm not carrying any other TEs he probably breaks something getting dressed tomorrow. :hot:

 
DWell786 said:
malice said:
Not much of a fan as long as Dilfer is throwing the rock in SF...maybe try David Martin/MIA? Lemon's going to be throwing a lot to keep up with NE.
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I think Dilfer destroys Jackson-Battle value, but I would have thought he can't wait to use V Davis as a security blanket... I'm thinking Owen Daniel type stat lines... no?
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Im sorry but Alex Smith destroys their value just as much. That offense is too conservative and Smith has played horrible imo.
 
I am in the camp that there is no one else so I am starting Davis. He can only get better and go up, especially with a vet like Dilfer.

 
Franchise Playa said:
DWell786 said:
malice said:
Not much of a fan as long as Dilfer is throwing the rock in SF...maybe try David Martin/MIA? Lemon's going to be throwing a lot to keep up with NE.
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I think Dilfer destroys Jackson-Battle value, but I would have thought he can't wait to use V Davis as a security blanket... I'm thinking Owen Daniel type stat lines... no?
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Im sorry but Alex Smith destroys their value just as much. That offense is too conservative and Smith has played horrible imo.
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Care to explain how smith has played horrible? Conservative play-calling and WR's dropping the ball is his fault? I'm not saying he's been great but he hasn't been horrible either.
 
derek19 said:
Franchise Playa said:
DWell786 said:
malice said:
Not much of a fan as long as Dilfer is throwing the rock in SF...maybe try David Martin/MIA? Lemon's going to be throwing a lot to keep up with NE.
Click to expand...
I think Dilfer destroys Jackson-Battle value, but I would have thought he can't wait to use V Davis as a security blanket... I'm thinking Owen Daniel type stat lines... no?
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Im sorry but Alex Smith destroys their value just as much. That offense is too conservative and Smith has played horrible imo.
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Care to explain how smith has played horrible? Conservative play-calling and WR's dropping the ball is his fault? I'm not saying he's been great but he hasn't been horrible either.
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Ok and again my opinion. Smith has little to no pocket presence....He is a mess at all times pressure comes...And granted the line play has been weak but even last year his lack of awareness does not merit his draft status. He is an average QB that needs a full compliment around him to throw up decent numbers. He is still young but he has shown me nothing to think that he will be more than an average QB at best. When I say he's played horrible is as much as receivers have dropped balls he also does not get them the rock when he does have the chance to. Everyone assumes with Dilfer starting the 49rs receivers will suffer....but it's not like they were lights out with Smith in the game. The coaching staff needs to let him loose and see if he can cut or not....I personally don't believe in his ability.
 
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