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What Dynasty RBs do you covet? (1 Viewer)

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Aside from the 'untouchables', most of whom have graduated to mere initials (ADP, MJD, CJ3...RR for RRice?), what RBs would you want on your (PPR) team, as guys who can turn into (mostly) bellcows or valued because they are utilized running and in the passing game?

Are Forte and Slaton buy low? You might have considered them in that elite group in the preseason.

Who else is up and coming that you believe will produce? D.Brown? McCoy? Beanie?

My thoughts...

I do think Forte and Slaton are buy lows. Their teams should find some complementary backs, but these guys should pick it up.

D. Brown...maybe he'll be eased in to the main role? Indy tried one back with Addai a couple years back and it didn't work out. I think whether it's Addai or someone else, we'll continue to see a true 2-back system in Indy. They probably will re-sign Addai in the offseason. Addai is excellent in pass coverage...he knows where to go and can standup a linebacker. I am concerned about Brown getting banged up a bit already, but we've seen what he can do with even limited carries.

McCoy: we're about to find out. I thought it might be next season before we would, but he's on display now.

Beanie: to me, the biggest long-term issues are his perceived toughness/injury issues (sat out 1/2 the bowl game vs. UT last year), he's on a pass-first team, and Warner might be in his last year or two. I was concerned he wasn't a pass catcher, but they have been throwing him a ball or 3 per game. I think he might be very good this year, and again, we're about to see if he can be the main back. Hightower is excellent in pass coverage. Like Addai, his value might be in his ability to keep his QB upright, and in being able to chip a defender then catch an 8 yard catch on 3rd and 6. I would assume both guys continue on ARI for a few years, as both are young.

Leon Washington: Hope his injury doesn't cost him a good team and good chance to play. If NYJ don't resign him, someone will.

I think RRice is easy to predict now. We saw glimpses last year and knew McGahee wasn't the answer. We had seen what Cam Cameron has done with other good RBs.

So who's the next guy where talent, coaching, and opportunity are lining up?

 
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Black said:
Aside from the 'untouchables', most of whom have graduated to mere initials (ADP, MJD, CJ3...RR for RRice?), what RBs would you want on your (PPR) team, as guys who can turn into (mostly) bellcows or valued because they are utilized running and in the passing game?

Are Forte and Slaton buy low? You might have considered them in that elite group in the preseason.

Who else is up and coming that you believe will produce? D.Brown? McCoy? Beanie?

My thoughts...

I do think Forte and Slaton are buy lows. Their teams should find some complementary backs, but these guys should pick it up.

D. Brown...maybe he'll be eased in to the main role? Indy tried one back with Addai a couple years back and it didn't work out. I think whether it's Addai or someone else, we'll continue to see a true 2-back system in Indy. They probably will re-sign Addai in the offseason. Addai is excellent in pass coverage...he knows where to go and can standup a linebacker. I am concerned about Brown getting banged up a bit already, but we've seen what he can do with even limited carries.

McCoy: we're about to find out. I thought it might be next season before we would, but he's on display now.

Beanie: to me, the biggest long-term issues are his perceived toughness/injury issues (sat out 1/2 the bowl game vs. UT last year), he's on a pass-first team, and Warner might be in his last year or two. I was concerned he wasn't a pass catcher, but they have been throwing him a ball or 3 per game. I think he might be very good this year, and again, we're about to see if he can be the main back. Hightower is excellent in pass coverage. Like Addai, his value might be in his ability to keep his QB upright, and in being able to chip a defender then catch an 8 yard catch on 3rd and 6. I would assume both guys continue on ARI for a few years, as both are young.

Leon Washington: Hope his injury doesn't cost him a good team and good chance to play. If NYJ don't resign him, someone will.

I think RRice is easy to predict now. We saw glimpses last year and knew McGahee wasn't the answer. We had seen what Cam Cameron has done with other good RBs.

So who's the next guy where talent, coaching, and opportunity are lining up?
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It pained me but I just traded RR/Jcharles/witten/sproles/Freeman in a keeper (6 round value) for Forte/Romo/R wayne/Jennings/Gonzalez(TE)but the crux of the real was RR vs Forte, I see brighter things ahead for forte if they draft OL or a decent WR. Plus he gets a lot of rec so that helps (even moreso than RR)

 
Hipple said:
but the crux of the real was RR vs Forte, I see brighter things ahead for forte if they draft OL or a decent WR. Plus he gets a lot of rec so that helps (even moreso than RR)
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I don't see it that way. I think Rice will be Top 5 for several years to come, along with ADP and CJ3. Forte will break into Top 10 territory if things go his way, but I see him as less of a sure thing.Of the guys mentioned by the OP, I think LeSean McCoy will pay off the most.Beanie will be good once the team makes the shift to a run-first system.
 
LittlePhatty said:
Hipple said:
but the crux of the real was RR vs Forte, I see brighter things ahead for forte if they draft OL or a decent WR. Plus he gets a lot of rec so that helps (even moreso than RR)
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I don't see it that way. I think Rice will be Top 5 for several years to come, along with ADP and CJ3. Forte will break into Top 10 territory if things go his way, but I see him as less of a sure thing.
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I see it LittlePhatty's way.Justin Forsett has several games here to seize control of the Seahawks backfield. If he does a respectful job and the Seahawks don't pursue a big name in the offseason, it could be a sign of good things to come.

 
I agree J. Stewart is a good candidate for dynasty purposes.

I am also targeting S. Green. T. Jones is on the wrong side of 30 and Leon will be coming off a very nasty broken leg injury.

I also really like Wells but have a suspicion that he will start producing to a level that will make him too pricey to acquire this coming off season.

 
Knowshon Moreno came up lame out of the gate here, but I still believe he has all of the talent to be a top 5 fantasy back. And he was the first draft pick by a coach that's not going anywhere anytime soon. If the strides the Broncos made this year on D continue, they'll be a force in 2-3 years and the Broncos haven't even begun to tap Moreno's receiving potential. I like a WHOLE lot about his longterm situation. Think the Ravens during the dominant defensive years.

Call me crazy, but I still believe (maybe blindly) in Darren McFadden's potential. It's easy to underestimate supporting cast and O-line. We could look back in a couple of years and easily explain away McFadden's early struggles. Or not.

I understand that Steven Jackson is borderline obvious and probably not what this thread was meant for, but I cannot imagine another RB doing more with less - maybe Jones-Drew, but that's a big maybe. He might honestly be the most talented running running back in the entire league right now.

Shonn Greene is destined for a Clinton Portis-esque career. Constantly glossed over for the flashier name but there his sits every year inside the top 6-8. He's an absolute horse, with just enough wiggle and scoot to create on his own and has just enough to get to the house. I'm talking another "Shonn" (Shaun Alexander) upside. Hopefully the Jets can keep that top 5 O-Line and coaching commitment to the run.

And as sh***y as Steve Slaton has looked, 2008 happened. His rookie bio was that of a dedicated, hard-working kid. That didn't just go away overnight.

I don't think we've even seen a drop of Felix Jones' potential if he could manage to stay healthy. At full health in the right offense with 250 carries (and I'm in no way convinced that he could ever accomplish any of those) I think he's every bit Chris Johnson's peer.

 
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I think Ray Rice is the guy you go and get at all costs. He's still undervalued by some and I see him as a top 5 back for years to come. He has it all - good frame, good moves, good pass-catcher, good o-line, good co-ordinator.

 
tonka said:
I think Ray Rice is the guy you go and get at all costs. He's still undervalued by some and I see him as a top 5 back for years to come. He has it all - good frame, good moves, good pass-catcher, good o-line, good co-ordinator.
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I think he's kind of untouchable now in dynasty. None of his owners would budge when I inquired about his availability. They didn't even want to hear an offer.
 
Beanie Wells

James Stewart

Shonn Greene

all are very high upside RB's with a chance to get there

 
Lower cost guys to target are

Ahmad Bradshaw

Laurence Maroney

Michael Bush

What do all of these guys have in common?

They'll be free agents in 2011.

Lots of "playing for money" mojo next year, plus potential for a big jump in value the year after.

All 3 have RB1 upside if they get starters carries.

 
Dynasty Buys:

Steven Jackson wasn't mentioned in the original post, which I think is a huge oversight. He's an uberstud. He's got nothing left to prove.

Frank Gore is a guy who should be an obvious no-brainer untouchable dynasty RB, but for some reason everyone forgets about him. He's the same age as Jackson (26), and he's done just as much over the last three and a half years in a WOEFUL offense as Jackson has (4th, 9th in 15 games, 14th in 14 games, 5th in PPG this year despite essentially posting a 0 in week 3 due to injury). He's graduated past any major injury concerns (he's only missed 5 of the last 57 games, all due to standard RB bumps and bruises stuff). He's a proven uberstud who gets his running, receiving, and in the red zone, and I gladly would (and, this offseason, did) acquire him over the sexier "flavor of the month" dynasty RBs.

Jonathan Stewart is going to be a no-brainer top 5 dynasty RB once he finally wins the starting job. He's still three months younger than Ray Rice, and he's got a long future ahead of him. Buy while you can, or regret it later.

Dynasty Sells:

Forte's a mirage. He's an okay back who put up great numbers because of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. His numbers weren't as great as everyone seems to think (they just happened to come in a down year for RBs, meaning he ranked higher than he normally would have). He'll never repeat those numbers, but people will pay big for him hoping he will.

Slaton was also a mirage. He's Reggie Bush 2.0. Quality CoP back who through some fluke managed to get a workhorse's workload for a season. The most damning evidence is how Kubiak keeps going out of his way to REDUCE Slaton's workload instead of increase it. Does that sound like the action of a coach who believes he's got a stud on his hands?

Michael Turner was a guy who really impressed me in San Diego, but I've been less impressed by him in Atlanta (despite the video game numbers). He doesn't catch the ball, he's a bit too physical for my tastes, and he's not quite as special as I once thought he was. When Ryan develops a bit more, I think his TD numbers are going to sink, and right now his TDs are the only thing holding his value up. I'm not saying he's a BAD dynasty RB (like Slaton), just that he's an overrated dynasty RB.

Cedric Benson. It's clear now that he's not as bad as we all thought this offseason. It's equally clear to me that he's not as good as people think he is right now. He's a dynasty RB2 who is performing like a dynasty RB1, and I'd be trying to move him to see if someone would pay an RB1 price for his services.

 
tonka said:
I think Ray Rice is the guy you go and get at all costs. He's still undervalued by some and I see him as a top 5 back for years to come. He has it all - good frame, good moves, good pass-catcher, good o-line, good co-ordinator.
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I agree. But this is a PPR flex and R wayne Jennings and Romo would have likly gone to a division opponent (and good prize $ in for end of the season slot. ie 50% $ goes to playoff top 3, 50% goes to teams 1-5 with 6 getting in. So this was a WIN NOW without screwing the future, though I agree with everything that has been written about Rice.
 
Still think PT is a good back. I think he is getting lost in the shuffle. We all know reggie bush isn't the answer. In the long term Thomas is a back i want.

 
SSOG said:
Dynasty Buys:Steven Jackson wasn't mentioned in the original post, which I think is a huge oversight. He's an uberstud. He's got nothing left to prove.Frank Gore is a guy who should be an obvious no-brainer untouchable dynasty RB, but for some reason everyone forgets about him. He's the same age as Jackson (26), and he's done just as much over the last three and a half years in a WOEFUL offense as Jackson has (4th, 9th in 15 games, 14th in 14 games, 5th in PPG this year despite essentially posting a 0 in week 3 due to injury). He's graduated past any major injury concerns (he's only missed 5 of the last 57 games, all due to standard RB bumps and bruises stuff). He's a proven uberstud who gets his running, receiving, and in the red zone, and I gladly would (and, this offseason, did) acquire him over the sexier "flavor of the month" dynasty RBs.Jonathan Stewart is going to be a no-brainer top 5 dynasty RB once he finally wins the starting job. He's still three months younger than Ray Rice, and he's got a long future ahead of him. Buy while you can, or regret it later.Dynasty Sells:Forte's a mirage. He's an okay back who put up great numbers because of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. His numbers weren't as great as everyone seems to think (they just happened to come in a down year for RBs, meaning he ranked higher than he normally would have). He'll never repeat those numbers, but people will pay big for him hoping he will.Slaton was also a mirage. He's Reggie Bush 2.0. Quality CoP back who through some fluke managed to get a workhorse's workload for a season. The most damning evidence is how Kubiak keeps going out of his way to REDUCE Slaton's workload instead of increase it. Does that sound like the action of a coach who believes he's got a stud on his hands?Michael Turner was a guy who really impressed me in San Diego, but I've been less impressed by him in Atlanta (despite the video game numbers). He doesn't catch the ball, he's a bit too physical for my tastes, and he's not quite as special as I once thought he was. When Ryan develops a bit more, I think his TD numbers are going to sink, and right now his TDs are the only thing holding his value up. I'm not saying he's a BAD dynasty RB (like Slaton), just that he's an overrated dynasty RB.Cedric Benson. It's clear now that he's not as bad as we all thought this offseason. It's equally clear to me that he's not as good as people think he is right now. He's a dynasty RB2 who is performing like a dynasty RB1, and I'd be trying to move him to see if someone would pay an RB1 price for his services.
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My thoughts exactly on all except Slaton. I think the jury is still out on him. Unlike Forte, he actually had some impressive running numbers last year with a very solid YPC. I'm not convinced one way or the other, but if I owned him I wouldn't sell low and if I didn't own him I wouldn't pay much for him. He's a clear "hold" to me unless you can get a ransom or buy him dirt cheap from a nervous owner.
 
FantasyTrader said:
Knowshon Moreno came up lame out of the gate here, but I still believe he has all of the talent to be a top 5 fantasy back. And he was the first draft pick by a coach that's not going anywhere anytime soon. If the strides the Broncos made this year on D continue, they'll be a force in 2-3 years and the Broncos haven't even begun to tap Moreno's receiving potential. I like a WHOLE lot about his longterm situation. Think the Ravens during the dominant defensive years.

Call me crazy, but I still believe (maybe blindly) in Darren McFadden's potential. It's easy to underestimate supporting cast and O-line. We could look back in a couple of years and easily explain away McFadden's early struggles. Or not.

I understand that Steven Jackson is borderline obvious and probably not what this thread was meant for, but I cannot imagine another RB doing more with less - maybe Jones-Drew, but that's a big maybe. He might honestly be the most talented running running back in the entire league right now.

Shonn Greene is destined for a Clinton Portis-esque career. Constantly glossed over for the flashier name but there his sits every year inside the top 6-8. He's an absolute horse, with just enough wiggle and scoot to create on his own and has just enough to get to the house. I'm talking another "Shonn" (Shaun Alexander) upside. Hopefully the Jets can keep that top 5 O-Line and coaching commitment to the run.

And as sh***y as Steve Slaton has looked, 2008 happened. His rookie bio was that of a dedicated, hard-working kid. That didn't just go away overnight.

I don't think we've even seen a drop of Felix Jones' potential if he could manage to stay healthy. At full health in the right offense with 250 carries (and I'm in no way convinced that he could ever accomplish any of those) I think he's every bit Chris Johnson's peer.
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I agree with you on a number of points. First, I consider A. Peterson, M. Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice and Frank Gore as untouchables, but perhaps D. Williams or R. Brown could be acquired for the right price.

McFadden's value cannot get too much lower. I recently added him to my Dynasty PPR League.

Felix Jones too is a good buy-low candidate. He has exciting potential, but the injuries are no doubt a concern.

Stewart is brimming with talent. The window for getting him may be slipping closed. Dynasty owners know what they have in Stewart, and the odds of pulling off a deal favorable to you is not likely.

Moreno has loads of potential. He is one of the few Dynasty PPR RB candidates I covet that may still be attainable.

Shonn Greene? nah, not for me. Not in a PPR format.

D. Brown is another guy I really like, and his value can only go up. The platoon situation in Indy notwithstanding, Brown is an exceptional talent, although we have yet only caught glimpses of his ability marred by his recent injury. Addai also could be a guy worth targeting. I have not yet heard what is likely to transpire in Indy. While the talk here has been about Stewart and Brown, Williams and Addai have excelled and cannot be ignored. They are both young and extremely talented. The situations in Carolina and Indy deserve careful monitoring.

Slaton and Forte are interesting prospects. In PPR formats, they have nice potential. I don't expect either of them to join the ranks of the elite (untouchables), however.

Rashard Mendenhall does not impress me. I don't think he is the long-term answer in Pittsburgh.

Beanie Wells is not the type of back I covet so much in a PPR league.

M. Lynch still has youth on his side, and he has flashed big-time talent, but he is not a guy I am targeting.

 
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Hipple said:
It pained me but I just traded RR/Jcharles/witten/sproles/Freeman in a keeper (6 round value) for Forte/Romo/R wayne/Jennings/Gonzalez(TE)

but the crux of the real was RR vs Forte, I see brighter things ahead for forte if they draft OL or a decent WR. Plus he gets a lot of rec so that helps (even moreso than RR)
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Forte had 63 receptions last year and is on pace for 68 this year. Rice is on pace for 87.Rice is someone I really regret passing on in a recent startup draft.

 
thriftyrocker said:
Lower cost guys to target are

Ahmad Bradshaw

Laurence Maroney

Michael Bush

What do all of these guys have in common?

They'll be free agents in 2011.

Lots of "playing for money" mojo next year, plus potential for a big jump in value the year after.

All 3 have RB1 upside if they get starters carries.
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Bradshaw shares with Jacobs - who is only 27 and still doing well.Maroney is in a RBBC (but I would consider him given his age.)

Bush is behind a first round draft pick in McFadden.

 
If I was looking to trade for one RB, it would probably be Stewart. Rice is ungettable. I wouldn't give up much to get Forte.

I wouldn't mind owning Addai. I think he's underrated. All he does is put up numbers and all the Colts do is win. I think the Brown crowning is way premature. Maybe they'll let Addai go like they let James go, but ... maybe not.

 
Ricky Williams.

I'd trade Knowshon for him 10 times a week and 4x on Sunday if that put me over the top this year.

 
DoubleG said:
thriftyrocker said:
Lower cost guys to target are

Ahmad Bradshaw

Laurence Maroney

Michael Bush

What do all of these guys have in common?

They'll be free agents in 2011.

Lots of "playing for money" mojo next year, plus potential for a big jump in value the year after.

All 3 have RB1 upside if they get starters carries.
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Bradshaw shares with Jacobs - who is only 27 and still doing well.Maroney is in a RBBC (but I would consider him given his age.)

Bush is behind a first round draft pick in McFadden.
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He is obviously insinuating that after next year there's a good chance they go all Michael Turner on you and get a starting job in CLE, SD (2 years LT gone?), MIA (RB's WC partner?), WAS (2 years Portis done?), TB, and a couple other teams as possible 2011 destinations...So yeah, I think they all have potential to become starters somewhere.

 
Homer said:
Ricky Williams.I'd trade Knowshon for him 10 times a week and 4x on Sunday if that put me over the top this year.
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Not a chance I'd give up Moreno for Williams. Williams has 1 year left in Miami and then what? Moreno isz going to be the workhorse in denver for the next 5 years.
 
two_dollars said:
Homer said:
Ricky Williams.I'd trade Knowshon for him 10 times a week and 4x on Sunday if that put me over the top this year.
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Not a chance I'd give up Moreno for Williams. Williams has 1 year left in Miami and then what? Moreno isz going to be the workhorse in denver for the next 5 years.
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Like Maroney has been in NE?There are no sure bets from guys that have NEVER done it in the pros before.
 
gianmarco said:
SSOG said:
Dynasty Buys:Steven Jackson wasn't mentioned in the original post, which I think is a huge oversight. He's an uberstud. He's got nothing left to prove.Frank Gore is a guy who should be an obvious no-brainer untouchable dynasty RB, but for some reason everyone forgets about him. He's the same age as Jackson (26), and he's done just as much over the last three and a half years in a WOEFUL offense as Jackson has (4th, 9th in 15 games, 14th in 14 games, 5th in PPG this year despite essentially posting a 0 in week 3 due to injury). He's graduated past any major injury concerns (he's only missed 5 of the last 57 games, all due to standard RB bumps and bruises stuff). He's a proven uberstud who gets his running, receiving, and in the red zone, and I gladly would (and, this offseason, did) acquire him over the sexier "flavor of the month" dynasty RBs.Jonathan Stewart is going to be a no-brainer top 5 dynasty RB once he finally wins the starting job. He's still three months younger than Ray Rice, and he's got a long future ahead of him. Buy while you can, or regret it later.Dynasty Sells:Forte's a mirage. He's an okay back who put up great numbers because of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. His numbers weren't as great as everyone seems to think (they just happened to come in a down year for RBs, meaning he ranked higher than he normally would have). He'll never repeat those numbers, but people will pay big for him hoping he will.Slaton was also a mirage. He's Reggie Bush 2.0. Quality CoP back who through some fluke managed to get a workhorse's workload for a season. The most damning evidence is how Kubiak keeps going out of his way to REDUCE Slaton's workload instead of increase it. Does that sound like the action of a coach who believes he's got a stud on his hands?Michael Turner was a guy who really impressed me in San Diego, but I've been less impressed by him in Atlanta (despite the video game numbers). He doesn't catch the ball, he's a bit too physical for my tastes, and he's not quite as special as I once thought he was. When Ryan develops a bit more, I think his TD numbers are going to sink, and right now his TDs are the only thing holding his value up. I'm not saying he's a BAD dynasty RB (like Slaton), just that he's an overrated dynasty RB.Cedric Benson. It's clear now that he's not as bad as we all thought this offseason. It's equally clear to me that he's not as good as people think he is right now. He's a dynasty RB2 who is performing like a dynasty RB1, and I'd be trying to move him to see if someone would pay an RB1 price for his services.
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My thoughts exactly on all except Slaton. I think the jury is still out on him. Unlike Forte, he actually had some impressive running numbers last year with a very solid YPC. I'm not convinced one way or the other, but if I owned him I wouldn't sell low and if I didn't own him I wouldn't pay much for him. He's a clear "hold" to me unless you can get a ransom or buy him dirt cheap from a nervous owner.
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:thumbup: Killer post by SSOG and an even MORE killer response by gianmarco. As I was reading it, the only thing I found myself thinking that SSOG missed the boat on was Slaton. But I respect your opinion an awful lot. Hoping you can elaborate on "Reggie Bush 2.0" because Slaton showed more between the tackles ability in his left ### in '08 than Bush has showed in his entire career. Interested in your thoughts SSOG.
 
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Killer post by SSOG and an even MORE killer response by gianmarco. As I was reading it, the only thing I found myself thinking that SSOG missed the boat on was Slaton. But I respect your opinion an awful lot. Hoping you can elaborate on "Reggie Bush 2.0" because Slaton showed more between the tackles ability in his left ### in '08 than Bush has showed in his entire career. Interested in your thoughts SSOG.
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Personally, I don't think Slaton has shown jack between the tackles. He was among the worst short yardage runners in the league last year, and this year his ypc is a Hightower-esque 3.1 (WAY below anything Bush has ever produced). I like Houston, so I've watched him play several times (including attending the Houston/Oakland game in person) and I'm still waiting for him to show me that he's an NFL-caliber runner, or really that he's anything other than a CoP back with good hands out of the backfield. I attribute a lot of his success last season to a combination of Houston's offensive line, which has regressed this year, and opponents not yet realizing that the book on Slaton was just prevent him from getting outside. My thoughts on Slaton are that he's basically just Jerious Norwood, only with a lot more hype, and not as dynamic of a runner.
 
SSOG said:
FantasyTrader said:
Killer post by SSOG and an even MORE killer response by gianmarco. As I was reading it, the only thing I found myself thinking that SSOG missed the boat on was Slaton. But I respect your opinion an awful lot. Hoping you can elaborate on "Reggie Bush 2.0" because Slaton showed more between the tackles ability in his left ### in '08 than Bush has showed in his entire career. Interested in your thoughts SSOG.
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Personally, I don't think Slaton has shown jack between the tackles. He was among the worst short yardage runners in the league last year, and this year his ypc is a Hightower-esque 3.1 (WAY below anything Bush has ever produced). I like Houston, so I've watched him play several times (including attending the Houston/Oakland game in person) and I'm still waiting for him to show me that he's an NFL-caliber runner, or really that he's anything other than a CoP back with good hands out of the backfield. I attribute a lot of his success last season to a combination of Houston's offensive line, which has regressed this year, and opponents not yet realizing that the book on Slaton was just prevent him from getting outside. My thoughts on Slaton are that he's basically just Jerious Norwood, only with a lot more hype, and not as dynamic of a runner.
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Thanks for the response. Admittedly, I haven't seen SQUAT of Slaton compared to other top 30 RB's. I simply assumed that because he was an adequate between the tackles guy last year that he would be again this year. Do you see Houston's O-line regression being closer to their true ability - or is there still hope there that '09 has been the exception to the rule rather than '08?
 
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Thanks for the response. Admittedly, I haven't seen SQUAT of Slaton compared to other top 30 RB's. I simply assumed that because he was an adequate between the tackles guy last year that he would be again this year. Do you see Houston's O-line regression being closer to their true ability - or is there still hope there that '09 has been the exception to the rule rather than '08?
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It's a very favorable scheme for RBs, so there's a good chance that it bounces back a bit in the future. Of course, there's also a good chance that Slaton won't be the beneficiary of that bounceback. Kubiak has been going out of his way to find reasons to give the ball to someone other than Slaton, and I see no reason to believe that trend won't continue over the offseason. I see Houston bringing in a back in free agency or through the draft who better fits the "move the chains" mindset of Kubiak's offensive system than a guy like Slaton. If Slaton's value has been hurt this much by NFL afterthoughts like Chris Brown and Ryan Moats, imagine what would happen to it with someone more like Correll Buckhalter or Ricky Williams.Slaton is a dynasty RB3, in my opinion, but I'd be willing to bet that you could fetch at least RB2 value for him. I'd be aggressively trying to move him for a Donald Brown, Shady McCoy, Shonn Greene, Kevin Smith, Darren McFadden, Ryan Grant, Marion Barber, or Joseph Addai, especially if I could secure some other trifling asset in the process (maybe Grant and a 2nd rounder, or McFadden and an Andre Caldwell or Mike Wallace).

 
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.

 
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
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Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
 
SSOG said:
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
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Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
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why not just wait another year depending on the stewart owner in your league?
 
SSOG said:
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
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Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
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depends on the actual price you're paying. In my leagues, he's already demanding the trade value you'd give for a top 10 RB.
 
FUBAR said:
SSOG said:
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
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Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
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depends on the actual price you're paying. In my leagues, he's already demanding the trade value you'd give for a top 10 RB.
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:kicksrock: Stewart is a horrible value in the leagues I'm in and have seen. For that exact reason. People who have him seem to think he is somehow worth top 10 value. He's very overrated.

 
editor47 said:
SSOG said:
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
Click to expand...
Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
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why not just wait another year depending on the stewart owner in your league?
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Yup. The hype will continue to build for Stewart all offseason, expectations will remain high, and then owners will be willing to sell low once reality hits them in Fall 2010.
 
Some of my best buys (no particular order):

Felix Jones - As good a pure runner as anybody in the league. Incredible juice for a 218-pounder. Sometime in the not-too-distant future (a year or two), this kid will be a FF monster.

Shonn Greene - Tailor-made for the Jets' offense. More athletic than given credit for. Could be a FF stud as soon as 2010.

Jonathan Stewart - Has everything you look for except situation. Patience is a virtue.

Matt Forte: He'll never be cheaper. Ever. An underrated talent who regularly makes chicken salad out of chicken dung. Will be around a long time producing top-notch FF numbers.

Bernard Scott: It might take awhile, & he's more of an unknown quantity, but I love Scott's upside. And he'll come much cheaper than the guys listed above him.

Lex Hilliard: My longshot. He's in a better situation than it would seem. Perfect player to roll the dice on.

 
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I'll echo the Shonn Greene love- I think he's undervalued in non-PPR leagues. I hate the Jets (Giants fan here) but I've seen enough of this kid to know he's going to be a successful NFL back. He's not gonna blow people away, but he's an absolute beast- a north-south runner with powerful legs that are always moving forward and a strong upper body that can absorb and dish out punishment. His weaknesses at this point (hands, blocking, open field speed) may keep him from becoming truly elite, but he should have good value as a prototypical power back on a good running team.

 
editor47 said:
SSOG said:
Loopdog said:
I love Jonathan Stewart, but I also think DeAngelo Williams is a complete beast. So unless one gets traded, it's tough to buy Stewart and hope he wins the job. DeAngelo is too talented to have no say in the gig, barring injury.
Click to expand...
Buying Stewart now would be like buying Turner in 2006. Sure, you're going to have to sit on him until he changes teams or the guy in front of him changes teams... but, in hindsight, doesn't that seem like a small price to pay?
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why not just wait another year depending on the stewart owner in your league?
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Because a year from now, Stewart will be a year closer to starting. The Stewart owner will now have been holding him for 2 years in anticipation of him getting his shot. The longer they've been holding him, the more they're going to want.
 
Ray Rice is tricky in dynasties. Sure, he's putting up huge numbers now, but what Cam Cameron running backs haven't?

The biggest issue with Rice is that RBs seem to see their receptions drop drastically when Cameron leaves town, and receptions are a huge part of Rice's value.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Ray Rice is tricky in dynasties. Sure, he's putting up huge numbers now, but what Cam Cameron running backs haven't?The biggest issue with Rice is that RBs seem to see their receptions drop drastically when Cameron leaves town, and receptions are a huge part of Rice's value.
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What would make you think Cameron is leaving town?
 
Choke said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Ray Rice is tricky in dynasties. Sure, he's putting up huge numbers now, but what Cam Cameron running backs haven't?

The biggest issue with Rice is that RBs seem to see their receptions drop drastically when Cameron leaves town, and receptions are a huge part of Rice's value.
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If Flacco is still the QB, I just dont foresee a problem.The chemistry has been established between the two and its known to be effective.
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One player who I haven't seen mentioned yet is Kevin Smith. He's in his 2nd year, given 15-20 carries a game along with goaline, and will be able to mature along with the Lions. He's being overlooked by a lot of people right now. While he may never be considered a top 5 "elite" player, he has the talent and situation to be a consistent top 10 RB for many teams. Smith's value is probably below some of the other players mentioned like Moreno and McCoy. With Stafford, CJ, and Brandon Pettigrew around him in Detroit, they have young weapons who will demand attention from defenses. Teams won't be able to stack 8 in the box against them. I'd try to get him whenever possible.
 
I haven't seen Tashard Choice mentioned yet. His rise to success may take longer than most of ther other RBs mentioned in this thread because Barber and Jones are in front of him. But, in my opoinion, when the payoff comes from owning this guy, it will be huge.

Darren Sproles could be a good guy to have on your roster depending where he signs in 2010. Danny Ware could take over from Bradshaw with the Giants as well.

 
mikel2014 said:
Choke said:
FreeBaGeL said:
Ray Rice is tricky in dynasties. Sure, he's putting up huge numbers now, but what Cam Cameron running backs haven't?

The biggest issue with Rice is that RBs seem to see their receptions drop drastically when Cameron leaves town, and receptions are a huge part of Rice's value.
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If Flacco is still the QB, I just dont foresee a problem.The chemistry has been established between the two and its known to be effective.
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One player who I haven't seen mentioned yet is Kevin Smith. He's in his 2nd year, given 15-20 carries a game along with goaline, and will be able to mature along with the Lions. He's being overlooked by a lot of people right now. While he may never be considered a top 5 "elite" player, he has the talent and situation to be a consistent top 10 RB for many teams. Smith's value is probably below some of the other players mentioned like Moreno and McCoy. With Stafford, CJ, and Brandon Pettigrew around him in Detroit, they have young weapons who will demand attention from defenses. Teams won't be able to stack 8 in the box against them. I'd try to get him whenever possible.
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I don't like Kevin Smith. He's a middling talent on a terrible team. Job security alone is enough to make him a quality piece in dynasty leagues, but still a very fungible piece.
northern exposure said:
I haven't seen Tashard Choice mentioned yet. His rise to success may take longer than most of ther other RBs mentioned in this thread because Barber and Jones are in front of him. But, in my opoinion, when the payoff comes from owning this guy, it will be huge.

Darren Sproles could be a good guy to have on your roster depending where he signs in 2010. Danny Ware could take over from Bradshaw with the Giants as well.
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Sproles is another guy I don't like. He doesn't have the skillset to ever take on a big enough workload to be a fantasy force in any league outside of return yardage leagues.Choice is a nice high-upside player to acquire on the cheap, if his owner will sell him cheap. Ware is another interesting name. I'd be interested in grabbing either as a lottery ticket, but I wouldn't mortgage the farm to do so.

 
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