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Time for the *Max Hall* hype train? (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm in a start 2QB dynasty where anyone with a pulse has value at QB. Amazingly he's still around. If the Cardinals don't look like a legit playoff contender, I don't see how he doesn't get his shot.
loose circuits
Footballguy
sold him last week to the DA/Leinart owner for an upgrade from a 4th to 3rd. Kinda regretting that, but I needed the roster spot
Holding him in another league.
I think the kid has 'it'
Not only does he have Fitz, but that Williams kid looks fantastic along with Breaston and Doucet who can get it done. Tons of targets
Holding him in another league.
I think the kid has 'it'
Not only does he have Fitz, but that Williams kid looks fantastic along with Breaston and Doucet who can get it done. Tons of targets
In hindsight- it's a bit annoying that Whisenhunt spent so much time on Leinart and didn't give these two more reps with the first team.
What I saw Whisenhunt was speaking of Hall like the kid did well or the scrub did better than I expected. Just reading text it doesn't feel that way.
The Cards are a top offense and too many are predicting their demise.
Anderson can sling it and his WRs are eons better than what he had with the Browns.
I'm looking for (Urban?) a tweet or news story that says how many snaps the QBs get with the first string. If Anderson's getting 80% like most first stringers then Hall is going to fall behind without the reps.
Whisenhunt looks very frustrated with his QBs, no doubt. I wouldn't get off the Hall bandwagon, but I really think ya gotta temper those expectations for now
What I saw Whisenhunt was speaking of Hall like the kid did well or the scrub did better than I expected. Just reading text it doesn't feel that way.
The Cards are a top offense and too many are predicting their demise.
Anderson can sling it and his WRs are eons better than what he had with the Browns.
I'm looking for (Urban?) a tweet or news story that says how many snaps the QBs get with the first string. If Anderson's getting 80% like most first stringers then Hall is going to fall behind without the reps.
Whisenhunt looks very frustrated with his QBs, no doubt. I wouldn't get off the Hall bandwagon, but I really think ya gotta temper those expectations for now
Football Jones
Footballguy
Hall is a smart, mature guy with a lot of major-college experience. However, he's not somebody who's likely going to excel at the NFL level (long-term). That said, he could be a nice backup. John Skelton is the real prospect in Arizona, IMO, & will no doubt get a shot when he's ready (maybe before he's ready). Big-time potential.
Also, to fully utilize Fitzgerald & their top-notch WR corps, they need a QB who can drive the ball downfield. Skelton can do that. Anderson will very likely implode, & when that happens, Whisenhunt could put Hall under center because he came in much more NFL-ready, but it's only a matter of time before Skelton gets a chance. I believe he's a great gamble in dynasty leagues if you can get him at a reasonable price. I'm really high on this kid.
Also, to fully utilize Fitzgerald & their top-notch WR corps, they need a QB who can drive the ball downfield. Skelton can do that. Anderson will very likely implode, & when that happens, Whisenhunt could put Hall under center because he came in much more NFL-ready, but it's only a matter of time before Skelton gets a chance. I believe he's a great gamble in dynasty leagues if you can get him at a reasonable price. I'm really high on this kid.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
What I keep coming back to is the simple fact that regardless of wideouts, Derek Anderson couldn't keep Brady Quinn on the bench. They had the same team around them and he couldn't keep Quinn benched. That speaks volumes. Another thing is that Mike Holmgren, who is reknowned for his QB assessment skills took one look at Anderson (and Quinn as it were) and sent him packing. He didn't even want to waste his time on them at all.
I trust Holmgren's evaluation. And the rest of the NFL for that matter too. It isn't like Anderson had suitors lined up around the corner. Whisenhunt knew he was probably not going to see some miraculous light go on with Leinart so he needed somebody, anybody to come in there for when Leinart flamed out. He got Anderson. Yah!
I honestly think Max Hall will get to start at least 3 games this season. Whether that be by injury or poor QB play by Anderson, it will happen. I haven't seen Hall play a snap, but the situation alone makes him worthy of the last spot on a dynasty bench.
Anderson just isn't very good. That he is better than Leinart is like being stronger than Emo Phillips. He's just a placeholder.
I trust Holmgren's evaluation. And the rest of the NFL for that matter too. It isn't like Anderson had suitors lined up around the corner. Whisenhunt knew he was probably not going to see some miraculous light go on with Leinart so he needed somebody, anybody to come in there for when Leinart flamed out. He got Anderson. Yah!
I honestly think Max Hall will get to start at least 3 games this season. Whether that be by injury or poor QB play by Anderson, it will happen. I haven't seen Hall play a snap, but the situation alone makes him worthy of the last spot on a dynasty bench.
Anderson just isn't very good. That he is better than Leinart is like being stronger than Emo Phillips. He's just a placeholder.
daveR
Footballguy
Anyone got a grasp on Hall vs Skelton beyond 2010?Was stuck between picking Hall or Skelton as a flyer, picked Skelton and am regretting it. Watched Hall in the last preseason game and it was clear that he had a great command of the offense, and that the other players enjoyed playing with him. One of his incompletions was a perfect pass on a seam route that should have been a TD.
Then again, players loved playing with Colt Brennan three years ago...
I don't think the Flutie or Brees comparisons are accurate - the only thing they have in common is "less than ideal" NFL QB height. He's smart and accurate and has some guts, that much is clear.
With only DA in front of him, I don't see how Hall does not get a chance to play this year.
Then again, players loved playing with Colt Brennan three years ago...
I don't think the Flutie or Brees comparisons are accurate - the only thing they have in common is "less than ideal" NFL QB height. He's smart and accurate and has some guts, that much is clear.
With only DA in front of him, I don't see how Hall does not get a chance to play this year.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Zero chance Hall beats out Anderson any time soon. Saying it now...Anderson will put up numbers close to Kurt Warner.
JbizzleMan
Footballguy
Anyone think it's worth me picking up Hall right now? We have very deep benches, but we only get 4 free-waiver acquisitions per year and my QB's are Rivers, Stafford, Garrard.
The Real Yoda
Footballguy
lol
Texasmouth
Footballguy
LOL at the people here who go off the deep end every time a backup QB, who will probably never amount to anything in the NFL, has a decent game against 2nd and 3rd stringers and they anoint him the next "big thing."The fact is the guy has done nothing. Anderson was a pro bowl QB when he had a decent coach and a decent team around him. He has a playoff team around him and a top 3 WR now. The guy will be really solid. Max Hall is 2-3 years away from amounting to anything.The Real Yoda said:
Yitbos69
Footballguy
:dudeisunbeatable:
Who are you laughing at? I haven't seen anyone say Hall is the next "big thing". All I see is some guy saying that a QB that has sucked for 2 years, is going to put up Warner type numbers. lol..now that is funny
jeter23
Footballguy
I think a lot of the love that Hall is getting is due the the QBs who are/were ahead of him on the depth chart and the lack of confidence that has been shown in both of them. There are plenty of other prospects who project better over the long term, but it is pretty evident that Hall will get what some others may not this year, a chance to start. Any starting QB has value in dynasty leagues, especially a young guy.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Hall was very good at BYU......and he was good in camp....BUT in those chances he didn't face anything close to an NFL first team defense, so I think the rush to grab him (outside two QB leagues) is VERY premature
I really doubt that absent injury to DA Hall will be starting this year.
Hall is ahead of Skelton right now were they to need to replace DA during a game but I think long term Skelton has more upside - he certainly has more arm, but not sure how much head as it relates to NFL play
I wrote elsewhere last week that I thought there would be another quarterback on the Cardinals roster by now to be the veteran turn to guy, but an injury prevented that veteran from being released/picked up. I hope that Anderson can play even close to what he did in Cleveland several years ago because that will make it a very interesting fight between AZ and SF for the NFC West title.
I really doubt that absent injury to DA Hall will be starting this year.
Hall is ahead of Skelton right now were they to need to replace DA during a game but I think long term Skelton has more upside - he certainly has more arm, but not sure how much head as it relates to NFL play
I wrote elsewhere last week that I thought there would be another quarterback on the Cardinals roster by now to be the veteran turn to guy, but an injury prevented that veteran from being released/picked up. I hope that Anderson can play even close to what he did in Cleveland several years ago because that will make it a very interesting fight between AZ and SF for the NFC West title.
Manster
Footballguy
i'm kinda leaning more toward this analysis. i havent seen much of Hall, but i've seen plenty of DA. He's got the arm to put up big numbers if he gets decent O-line play. and his offensive weapons are above average. he's throwing to the best WR in football, who routinely comes down with jump balls. that alone can make a QB look good.his decision making has been suspect at times, but he hasnt had an offense this good. we'll see what happens. the wheels could very well come off and Hall might see the field.
Federal
Footballguy
urespeculationfromcardshomer:Max Hall is a Whisenhunt guy.
Hall knows where he is going with the ball. Does not hesitate.
Hall has (comparably) superior timing and accuracy.
Hall has shown the ability to extend plays and pick up first downs when things break down.
Hall has that fiery on field leadership, as a rookie.
Hall has earned a tremendous amount of respect from his teammates, and is a favorite of the coaching staff.
Coach Whiz wants this guy to lead his football team. I'm not sure what kind of timetable we are looking at, but I will be rooting for sooner vs. later.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Wiz nearly jizzes his pants everytime he talks about the kid...just a matter of time before he's starting.
Federal
Footballguy
Skelton is the long term project with all the measurable (athletic) qualities you want in a QB. He is a couple years away imo. Hall is the kid who is ready to go now (or very very soon). I believe a considerable factor in sending Matt packing was to create a opportunity to get Hall on the field this season. From personality to playing style, Max Hall is a Ken Whisenhunt QB. Who knows how he will react to a full speed NFL defense, but if he handles the challenge like he did OTA's, training camp in Flagstaff, and preseason appearances, #6 could be a fixture in the desert for quite a while.daveR said:Sabertooth said:Anyone got a grasp on Hall vs Skelton beyond 2010?
Federal
Footballguy
Yesterday's Press ConferenceWhisenhunt addresses heading into the season with 2 rookie QB's behind Anderson at the 4:48 mark.
Max Hall is a Whisenhunt guy.
Hall knows where he is going with the ball. Does not hesitate.
Hall has (comparably) superior timing and accuracy.
Hall has shown the ability to extend plays and pick up first downs when things break down.
Hall has that fiery on field leadership, as a rookie.
Hall has earned a tremendous amount of respect from his teammates, and is a favorite of the coaching staff.
Coach Whiz wants this guy to lead his football team. I'm not sure what kind of timetable we are looking at, but I will be rooting for sooner vs. later.Wiz nearly jizzes his pants everytime he talks about the kid...just a matter of time before he's starting.
Coach answers question about Max Hall "being the guy" to fill the #2 spot at the 11:10 mark, at the 12:45 mark smiles begin to break out when he describes some of the intangibles Max has.
It was basically Coach saying Max has everything Matt doesn't.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Saved for posterityTexasmouth said:
FUBAR
Footballguy
pretty sure Anderson will have better stats than Warner this year Might even come close to the stats he produced his first year in townTigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
Any chance that Whiz rotates Anderson and Hall in and out of games, a la what he used to do with Leinart and Warner?
Mark Davis
Footballguy
Added Hall in my 16 team dynasty league about a week ago, don't have anyone of substance behind Flacco on my roster so felt he was definitely worth a shot. Everything since then has made it look better.
Federal
Footballguy
This scenario has crossed my mind on numerous occasions. Whisenhunt has an anti-rookie streak to him, wants guys to earn their way on to the field, but Hall might be an exception based on need and performance (see Daryl Washington, week one rookie starter at ILB). Speaking purely as a fan, who understands the need to hold my nose while Derek Anderson is in there, I can't wait to see what Hall can do in a regular season game. In the absence of injury, how does Max Hall get in the game? If Anderson fails to move the offense and the team racks up some losses, then he gets his chance. But despite my disdain for Anderson, I predict some moderate success with the talent he has around him. How could you justify inserting an undrafted rookie under this scenario? Maybe the old rotating QB trick makes a comeback...
Federal
Footballguy
I know it is just the Preseason, but it is the only data we have to review at this point.
Here is a quick Summary of Max Hall's statistical performance this preseason. All of his time came against the opponents 2's and 3's, but he also had quite a few passes dropped, that wouldn't have slipped through the hands of Fitz, Breaston, Doucet. The numbers aren't eye popping, but the stat I like is 4 of 6 (5 of 7 if not for kneel down) drives ended up in points on the board. When you factor in the 19 first downs and the on field leadership, you are left with the sense the kid can get things done.
Week One vs. Houston
DNP
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Week Two at Tennessee
M. Hall 7/15 101yards 1td 1int
3 drives (int, td, punt), 6 1st downs, 123 total yards
M.Komar 22 yd. pass from M.Hall
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Week Three at Chicago
M. Hall 2/3 58 yards 0td 0int
3 carries -5 yards
1 drive (kneel down, end game), 3 1st downs, 63 total yards
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Week Four vs. Washington
M. Hall 7/9 126 yards 0td 0int
2 carries 19 yards 1td
3 drives (TD, FG, TD), 10 1st downs, 171 total yards
Cardinals QB Max Hall throws deep to WR Max Komar.
QB Max Hall reaches out to score a TD for the Cardinals.
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Preseason Totals
M. Hall 16/27 285 yards 1td 1int
5 carries 15 yards 1td
7 drives (int, td, punt, kneel down, td, fg, td), 19 1st downs, 357 total yards
Here is a quick Summary of Max Hall's statistical performance this preseason. All of his time came against the opponents 2's and 3's, but he also had quite a few passes dropped, that wouldn't have slipped through the hands of Fitz, Breaston, Doucet. The numbers aren't eye popping, but the stat I like is 4 of 6 (5 of 7 if not for kneel down) drives ended up in points on the board. When you factor in the 19 first downs and the on field leadership, you are left with the sense the kid can get things done.
Week One vs. Houston
DNP
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Week Two at Tennessee
M. Hall 7/15 101yards 1td 1int
3 drives (int, td, punt), 6 1st downs, 123 total yards
M.Komar 22 yd. pass from M.Hall
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Week Three at Chicago
M. Hall 2/3 58 yards 0td 0int
3 carries -5 yards
1 drive (kneel down, end game), 3 1st downs, 63 total yards
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Week Four vs. Washington
M. Hall 7/9 126 yards 0td 0int
2 carries 19 yards 1td
3 drives (TD, FG, TD), 10 1st downs, 171 total yards
Cardinals QB Max Hall throws deep to WR Max Komar.
QB Max Hall reaches out to score a TD for the Cardinals.
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Preseason Totals
M. Hall 16/27 285 yards 1td 1int
5 carries 15 yards 1td
7 drives (int, td, punt, kneel down, td, fg, td), 19 1st downs, 357 total yards
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Yes, exactly that guy. The guy who was on one of the worst teams in football with a horrible coaching staff and then an even worse coaching staff the next year with the worst offensive line in football and no one to throw to. No way a guy could go to a new team with a better situation and do better. That hasn't happened before in the history of the NFL I'm sure. Way better chance that a rookie QB from BYU who has shown slight flashes against 2nd and 3rd string defenses, will just step in and be the savior.
Not to say I agree with the statement that DA will put up great numbers, but who thought Kurt Warner was going to do what he did when he got to Arizona? He was terrible and looked like he should have been out of football before signing there. Give a QB great WRs and good things can happen.I may target Anderson/Hall as two late draft picks when I pick Tuesday night in my keeper (not dynasty) league. If I miss on both, I can move on. I had Anderson when he really sucked in Cleveland and am very leary of having him again.
jeter23
Footballguy
The same guy that one of the best offensive minds of the era came in, saw nothing with and quickly dumped? The same guy who was beaten out by Brady Quinn, who just lost the #2 job to a rookie RB? The same guy who the Browns moved so they could add Seneca Wallace and Jake Delhomme? That the one you mean?
jeter23
Footballguy
Come on now, Warner is a Hall of Famer. Who knows what happened with NY, but the pre-Ariz careers of Warner and DA are not comparable.
Have you watched Anderson spray the ball all over hell with that "loose" cannon he has. This is addition by subtraction...Hall hasn't proved anything, but Anderson has...he lost his job to B Quinn and he got outplayed by an UDFA rookie QB in camp (the head coach says this). What exactly are you paying attention to, other than a "change of teams" hope strategy?
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Lets see some proof of that. You cant just make claims. I havent see that anywhere. Brady Quinn= 1st round pick. That is why he was beaten out by Brady Quinn. No other reason. Browns couldnt admit they made a mistake.
Whatever. Agree to disagree. You obviously drafted Hall in one of your fantasy leagues and cant make the distinction between fantasy and reality.
jeter23
Footballguy
Again, I don't think anyone is claiming Hall is the next Brady. This is more about how terrible Leinart and DA are.
you talking about the guy who over the last 2 yrs has completed < 50% of his passes, with only 5.3ypa, and 12td's to 18 int's..........ya I can...can you?
These QB questions hurt Fitz's fantasy value. Hall might be a good QB one day but hes raw and never played a real NFL game before and Ive watched Anderson spray the ball all over. he is servicable but not accurate at all. Fitz is gonna wish they kept Boldin and traded him to Baltimore to play with Flacco. They will run , run , run with Wells and Hightower as long as they have a lead.
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Federal
Footballguy
While i don't recall Coach Whiz ever saying Anderson was outplayed by Hall, the intimation exists (the UDFA also outplayed a guy they traded up to get and the #1 QB on the depth chart who became expendable). It is also consistent with many training camp reports, and my personal/unskilled observations.Matt leinart= 1st round pick, Heisman winner, national champ, all around savior...The Cards admitted their mistake. I believe the emergence of Hall allowed them to roll the dice on DA. You never really hear the staff say good things about DA, just that he is getting better and they know what he is capable of (reference to 2007).
I think DA might be a serviceable fantasy QB this year, I just don't think he is the best QB on the Cards roster.
Federal
Footballguy
Whisenhunt: Max Hall was our best QB in campPosted by Evan Silva on September 4, 2010 5:27 PM ET
Ok, it's beyond intimating, he flat out says it...
Couch Potato
Footballguy
All hail Hallus Maximus!!
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Federal
Footballguy
I was toying with the "Stormin' Morman", but I like this better
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I have not seen Max Hall play a snap, but as I process everything I've read, I picture the second coming of Jason Garrett - and I mean this in a good way. I'm using my last roster spot in a few dynasty leagues to stash John Skelton. Sure he has a lot to learn and a lot to prove, but he has physicals skills I can't look past when it comes to Hall vs. Skelton.
Hall has looked very comfortable the two games I watched this preseason. And very accurate. Remember the knock on Brees when he came into the league? Plenty smart, plenty accurate but didn't have a "NFL arm". Now he throws the best deep ball in the game. A lot can change for a young QB when he gets exposed to NFL training, dieting, weightlifting, etc. Hall can get a stronger arm, in regards to dynasty potential. DA is not likely to suddenly become accurate, in regards to 2010 potential.
In before someone accuses me of comparing Hall to Brees....
In before someone accuses me of comparing Hall to Brees....
Federal
Footballguy
I think it's safe to say that while underrated, Brees graded out much better than Hall, but for us Cardinal fans grasping at straws in the face of Derek Anderson leading this team, the non comparison is much appreciated!Max Hall Overview
Analysis
and just for fun...Drew Brees Overview
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Federal
Footballguy
Max Hall's Uncle Danny is on the Hype Train...
(yes I am in desperate search for reassurance that I won't have to watch DA sail passes over the heads of wide open receivers all year long
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Danny White not surprised by Max Hall's success with Arizona Cardinals
Former Sun Devils and NFL star quarterback Danny White says his nephew, Cardinals rookie QB Max Hall, has that special something
by Bob Young, columnist - Sept. 4, 2010 07:49 PM
The Arizona Republic
(yes I am in desperate search for reassurance that I won't have to watch DA sail passes over the heads of wide open receivers all year long
)Danny White not surprised by Max Hall's success with Arizona Cardinals
Former Sun Devils and NFL star quarterback Danny White says his nephew, Cardinals rookie QB Max Hall, has that special something
by Bob Young, columnist - Sept. 4, 2010 07:49 PM
The Arizona Republic
Federal
Footballguy
Stephen Williams is 6'5", that should help a little with that.
The only time I get off the Max Hall soap box is to get on the Stephen Williams soap box, that dude is LEGIT! I need to find the appropriate gift basket to send to the guy signing the Cards undrafted free agents, two absolute gems 
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