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I'm starting to wonder if it's time to trade him.

He's got a tough schedule coming.

It's not him I don't trust (he's been money all year) it's Ponder I'm wondering about.

If you have a QB that can't get him the ball, then I think it is a good time to sell,no ?

Looking for other thoughts.

 
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.

Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.

 
'packersfan said:
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.
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Redraft: HoldDynasty: sell. As enticing as it looks to have a very young stud WR, it almost always has nowhere to go but down. That's not saying he won't play at a high level at another time, but if you are asking a question about selling, i am assumming you are guaging "what can I get for player X" and whether its selling Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd, or even calvin johnson after they played out of their heads, the answer is almost always sell high.
 
'Shutout said:
'packersfan said:
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.
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Redraft: HoldDynasty: sell. As enticing as it looks to have a very young stud WR, it almost always has nowhere to go but down. That's not saying he won't play at a high level at another time, but if you are asking a question about selling, i am assumming you are guaging "what can I get for player X" and whether its selling Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd, or even calvin johnson after they played out of their heads, the answer is almost always sell high.
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Harvin is 25 and getting better each season. There's no way I'd be selling him in Dynasty/Keeper leagues. He's becoming Wes Welker with more explosiveness and rushing production. He could be a PPR monster for the next several seasons barring injury.
 
No way I'd sell Percy in a my PPR league. He's the one WR in the NFL that I don't worry about matchups with, because he's fairly matchup proof. Regardless of how good the opposing corners are, there isn't much that you can do against a guy who is catching screen passes at the line of scrimmage. Sure, a good defender may limit his yards after the catch, but if he's getting 9 catches for 50 yards, that's still a 14 point fantasy day.

Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.

 
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'Shutout said:
'packersfan said:
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.
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Redraft: HoldDynasty: sell. As enticing as it looks to have a very young stud WR, it almost always has nowhere to go but down. That's not saying he won't play at a high level at another time, but if you are asking a question about selling, i am assumming you are guaging "what can I get for player X" and whether its selling Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd, or even calvin johnson after they played out of their heads, the answer is almost always sell high.
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I've got Harvin as wr4 in my dynasty rankings. He's the same age as AJ Green, a former RoY, has dominated every level of competition he has faced, and he's playing out of his mind. If his QB is garbage, Harvin will get his on screens. If they sell out against the screen, Harvin will get his rushing. He's the best player on an offense that features Adrian Peterson, and a legit fringe MVP candidate (not that they'd ever give it to a non-QB). Percy Harvin has forced more missed tackles than half the RBs in the league. He's forced more than twice as many missed tackles as the next best WR. Minnesota uses him as a goal-line RB. If anyone wants him in my league, they'll have to pry him out of my cold, dead hands.
 
In my scoring system, Harvin's lowest scoring game was 9 points. That's standard, no PPR. He is so consistent, so involved in the game plan at every single level, I can't imagine selling him for anything.

 
'Lavachebeadsman said:
In my scoring system, Harvin's lowest scoring game was 9 points. That's standard, no PPR. He is so consistent, so involved in the game plan at every single level, I can't imagine selling him for anything.
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I'd only deal him for a superstar RB or QB. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the season he's having. He's been sensational as a receiver, runner and returner for the Vikings.
 
I was offered Rob Gronkowski and Andre Johnson for him last week. I turned it down.

Most people would say I am crazy, but I already have Jason Witten and I love Harvin so much, I refuse to let him go. There isn't a single receiver in the NFL that I'd rather own, AJ Green included.

 
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'solorca said:
I was offered Rob Gronkowski and Andre Johnson for him last week. I turned it down.Most people would say I am crazy, but I already have Jason Witten and I love Harvin so much, I refuse to let him go. There isn't a single receiver in the NFL that I'd rather own, AJ Green included.
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i'm guessing 95% of FBG would agree you're crazy. i have harvin and love his production but that trade is a no-brainer imo.
 
'solorca said:
Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.
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Jake was a good QB for several years. Not great, but good.
 
'packersfan said:
'Shutout said:
'packersfan said:
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.
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Redraft: HoldDynasty: sell. As enticing as it looks to have a very young stud WR, it almost always has nowhere to go but down. That's not saying he won't play at a high level at another time, but if you are asking a question about selling, i am assumming you are guaging "what can I get for player X" and whether its selling Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd, or even calvin johnson after they played out of their heads, the answer is almost always sell high.
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Harvin is 25 and getting better each season. There's no way I'd be selling him in Dynasty/Keeper leagues. He's becoming Wes Welker with more explosiveness and rushing production. He could be a PPR monster for the next several seasons barring injury.
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I agree. completely. I'm just saying it seems like every time a WR, in particular, comes along and it looks like he is the next "IT" player, it seldoms maintains steam. Nicks was supposed to be the next dominant guy. Wallace. Holmes. The NFL is littered with guys that look white-hot and, while they don't necessarily fizzle, they tend to trend nowhere but down in terms of selling value in dynasty.In today's NFL that is all about passing, the GREAT WRs are getting a lot of attention. You can live in the moment with them (the current season), but its hard to find truly elite WRs that put it together back to back to back.
 
'drfeelgood said:
'solorca said:
Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.
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Jake was a good QB for several years. Not great, but good.
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:goodposting: Jake was a great leader, and a good QB up until he hurt his elbow and had surgery. As for Harvin, I would keep him.
 
'SSOG said:
'Shutout said:
'packersfan said:
Ponder's been terrible the last two games. In those games Harvin has 11 passes for 127 yards and 2 TDs.

Why would any Harvin owner be worried? Guy is flat-out ballin this season and as shady posted the Vikings have a large number of ways devised to get him the ball. Barring injury, he should remain a PPR stud all season long and if you get points for return TDs there's no way you'd want to part with him.
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Redraft: HoldDynasty: sell. As enticing as it looks to have a very young stud WR, it almost always has nowhere to go but down. That's not saying he won't play at a high level at another time, but if you are asking a question about selling, i am assumming you are guaging "what can I get for player X" and whether its selling Santonio Holmes, Brandon Lloyd, or even calvin johnson after they played out of their heads, the answer is almost always sell high.
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I've got Harvin as wr4 in my dynasty rankings. He's the same age as AJ Green, a former RoY, has dominated every level of competition he has faced, and he's playing out of his mind. If his QB is garbage, Harvin will get his on screens. If they sell out against the screen, Harvin will get his rushing. He's the best player on an offense that features Adrian Peterson, and a legit fringe MVP candidate (not that they'd ever give it to a non-QB). Percy Harvin has forced more missed tackles than half the RBs in the league. He's forced more than twice as many missed tackles as the next best WR. Minnesota uses him as a goal-line RB. If anyone wants him in my league, they'll have to pry him out of my cold, dead hands.
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I agree with everything you're saying. The bolded part is the concern. In today's NFL, we see, year after year, guys playing at such ridiculously high levels, and they just can't maintain it. That's not saying they become average players, just they can't maintain being game-breakers every week once they are taken notice of. Its a passing league and your Stevie Johnson's and Calvins and Wallaces and all these guys can rule for a little while. But then the value drops (and that's all I'm talking about here...addressing the OP on his question of value). They come back the next year and teams are bumping them off the line and playing with help over the top and they aren't able to maintain it.If I had Harvin in a league, I'd be just like some of you guys: i wouldn't trade him. Not in redraft. But in a dynasty, I know (cause we see it EVERY year), there is a new train coming. Just give it till next season. Two seasons ago, you couldn't have bought Nicks with all the gold in Fort Knox. Last year, it was Calvin. This season, Cruz was supposed to be continuing what he started. All these guys are good (great even), but NONE of them can do it every single game. they all lay eggs once people decide to pay attention to them. And that's what is skewing the thoughts on Harvin. Everybody talks about how consistent he is..how he never lays a dud. How he's just not able to be shut down. That is true...for now. Just like it was for Calvin, cruz, nicks, Welker, Bowe, Johnson, Jennings and on and on. Short term..in the now, these guys can do it. But next year, the value for harvin Will likely fall.

 
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Trading a 25-year-old player who hasn't entered his prime yet and is clearly a terrific talent because you're afraid he may not keep producing doesn't strike me as the best way to handle a Dynasty/Keeper situation. Harvin, in my opinion is EXACTLY the kind of player you want in those formats. Get a guy like that and enjoy the ride.

 
'drfeelgood said:
'solorca said:
Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.
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Jake was a good QB for several years. Not great, but good.
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He had his moments, but my point is that Steve Smith made him look a lot better than he was. He had 3400 receiving yards and 24 touchdowns in 2005, and Steve Smith had 1563 yards and 12 touchdowns.Jake had about three really good seasons in Carolina, and 2005 was one of them.
 
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'solorca said:
'drfeelgood said:
'solorca said:
Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.
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Jake was a good QB for several years. Not great, but good.
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He had his moments, but my point is that Steve Smith made him look a lot better than he was. He had 3400 receiving yards and 24 touchdowns in 2005, and Steve Smith had 1563 yards and 12 touchdowns.
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In 2004, Moose led the league with 1,405 receiving yards and 16 receiving touchdowns. Did he make Jake look better than he was too?
 
'simey said:
'solorca said:
'drfeelgood said:
'solorca said:
Ponder this season is reminding me of Steve Smith in 2005. Jake Delhomme was a below average QB who had very few other receiving options. Rather than trying to force the ball to other lesser receiving options, they just threw screen after screen to Smith and let him do work. Throughout the season, no one really ever figured out how to stop him. I don't remember his exact numbers, but he was over 103 catches and around 1500 yards.
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Jake was a good QB for several years. Not great, but good.
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He had his moments, but my point is that Steve Smith made him look a lot better than he was. He had 3400 receiving yards and 24 touchdowns in 2005, and Steve Smith had 1563 yards and 12 touchdowns.
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In 2004, Moose led the league with 1,405 receiving yards and 16 receiving touchdowns. Did he make Jake look better than he was too?
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Like I said above (I think I was editing it at the same time you posted this), Jake had three really good seasons. 2004, 2005, and 2008. 2004 was really the only year where I thought he performed at an elite level.I watched a lot of Jake over the years (season ticket holder), and even when he was at his best, he was a gunslinger who made dumb mistakes...but he definitely had his moments. (Not sure how this thread moved into the Jake Delhomme discussion...but my point was just that Harvin's season reminds me a lot of Steve Smith's best year)
 
'solorca said:
Like I said above (I think I was editing it at the same time you posted this), Jake had three really good seasons. 2004, 2005, and 2008. 2004 was really the only year where I thought he performed at an elite level.I watched a lot of Jake over the years (season ticket holder), and even when he was at his best, he was a gunslinger who made dumb mistakes...but he definitely had his moments. (Not sure how this thread moved into the Jake Delhomme discussion...but my point was just that Harvin's season reminds me a lot of Steve Smith's best year)
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You brought up Jake being below average, and that's how he came into the discussion. Strange that you list 2004, 2005, and 2008, yet leave off 2003 which was his first year as the starter, and he led the Panthers to the Super Bowl. He played very well that year.To OP, I wouldn't sell Percy Harvin. He is a top 5 WR.
 
The thing with Harvin is that he can line up as a RB, get KR TD, and receives a ton of bubble screens that let's him do his thing after the catch. Not many receivers do that. That is why he is so consistent and can be consistent for years to come. He get's his points in other ways. If darrele Revis was on Harvin, he may limit him on deep passes but can he stop him when he lines up as a RB or KR? Probably not.

 
'drfeelgood said:
'solorca said:
Like I said above (I think I was editing it at the same time you posted this), Jake had three really good seasons. 2004, 2005, and 2008. 2004 was really the only year where I thought he performed at an elite level.I watched a lot of Jake over the years (season ticket holder), and even when he was at his best, he was a gunslinger who made dumb mistakes...but he definitely had his moments. (Not sure how this thread moved into the Jake Delhomme discussion...but my point was just that Harvin's season reminds me a lot of Steve Smith's best year)
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You brought up Jake being below average, and that's how he came into the discussion. Strange that you list 2004, 2005, and 2008, yet leave off 2003 which was his first year as the starter, and he led the Panthers to the Super Bowl. He played very well that year.To OP, I wouldn't sell Percy Harvin. He is a top 5 WR.
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He was a game manager that year (later years, he moved into more of a gunslinger role). It was a solid season, but the defense and run game is what got them to the Super Bowl...not Jake Delhomme. In fairness, Jake WAS good enough to get them there and they would never have made it without him (since Chris Weinke and Rodney Peete were the other options), but he was an Alex Smith style game manager that year, not an above average NFL QB.I saw every snap that Jake played in Carolina, multiple times in many cases, as I covered the team for my local newspaper for a few of the years. 2004 was the only season where I would have ranked Jake in the top 15 quarterbacks in the NFL for that particular season. In most seasons, I would have put him in the 18-20 range, which is acceptable, but slightly below average. At his peak, he was on par with guys like Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, or Matt Schaub. Adequate, but nothing special.
 
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'solorca said:
He was a game manager that year (later years, he moved into more of a gunslinger role). It was a solid season, but the defense and run game is what got them to the Super Bowl...not Jake Delhomme. In fairness, Jake WAS good enough to get them there and they would never have made it without him (since Chris Weinke and Rodney Peete were the other options), but he was an Alex Smith style game manager that year, not an above average NFL QB.I saw every snap that Jake played in Carolina, multiple times in many cases, as I covered the team for my local newspaper for a few of the years. 2004 was the only season where I would have ranked Jake in the top 15 quarterbacks in the NFL for that particular season. In most seasons, I would have put him in the 18-20 range, which is acceptable, but slightly below average. At his peak, he was on par with guys like Alex Smith, Joe Flacco, or Matt Schaub. Adequate, but nothing special.
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I've seen every snap too just like other Panthers fans. I don't agree on a lot of your Panthers analysis so we can just agree to disagree, and let's stop hijacking this thread.
 
I'll go against the grain. Yes, sell now, for the right price. Disclaimer, I own Percy in almost every redraft league I am in. Do not own him in dynasty. Love him as a player.

Here's why I sell:

1. People forget about migraines and risk of injury from so many touches, collisions, and general use.

2. WRs generally emerge at a higher rate and in PPR, there are more options.

3. Most importantly, his stock is at an all-time high. What would cause it to go up? More TDs? Unlikely. Upgrade at QB? Unlikely any time soon. More receptions? How many more could he get?

Imagine Harvin is a stock. The list of things that could go wrong is far grater than the upside. He's a great stock, but he's close to an all time high. Sell, for the right price - but only for the right price. I would package a RB3 type with him, and try to get Lesean McCoy, under the right circumstances. McCoy is doing great, but imagine an improved QB, a coach that recognizes the value of the run game, and his OL back from injuries and healthy. That's a stock poised to soar.

 
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down. Aaron Rodgers? Nowhere to go but down! Sell! AJ Green? Sell! Ray Rice and Trent Richardson? Sell! Sell! Gronkowski! Sell! After all that selling, you'll wind up with a roster full of Jake Lockers and Dustin Kellers and Shane Vereens... but hey, at least they'll have nowhere to go but up, right?

Percy Harvin is exactly the type of player you should be looking to acquire, not sell. He's a franchise cornerstone. If he continues his pace for the rest of the season, he'll rank 6th all time in yards from scrimmage through 4 years, right behind Boldin and right ahead of Fitzgerald. Other names on that list include Moss, Rice, Holt, Calvin, and Alworth. He already ranks 3rd in yards from scrimmage through age 24, and is likely to pass Fitzgerald for second place (behind Moss) by the end of the year. And this is completely ignoring the fact that he also happens to be the best kickoff returner in the league right now.

Edit: Pro Football Focus rates Harvin as the best WR in the league so far this season. He is 24 years old.

 
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I'll go against the grain. Yes, sell now, for the right price. Disclaimer, I own Percy in almost every redraft league I am in. Do not own him in dynasty. Love him as a player.Here's why I sell:1. People forget about migraines and risk of injury from so many touches, collisions, and general use.2. WRs generally emerge at a higher rate and in PPR, there are more options.3. Most importantly, his stock is at an all-time high. What would cause it to go up? More TDs? Unlikely. Upgrade at QB? Unlikely any time soon. More receptions? How many more could he get?Imagine Harvin is a stock. The list of things that could go wrong is far grater than the upside. He's a great stock, but he's close to an all time high. Sell, for the right price - but only for the right price. I would package a RB3 type with him, and try to get Lesean McCoy, under the right circumstances. McCoy is doing great, but imagine an improved QB, a coach that recognizes the value of the run game, and his OL back from injuries and healthy. That's a stock poised to soar.
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Except Harvin is not a stock. You can't lock in profit to some hypothetical "fantasy cash" and then spend it on another player when the time is right. Harvin scores his points in a variety of ways and in redraft, I'm definitely holding.
 
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down.
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:confused: The overwhelming majority of logic in here is saying to keep him.
 
'SSOG said:
'omally said:
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down.
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:confused: The overwhelming majority of logic in here is saying to keep him.
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*some of the logic in here
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No one is selling Harvin either. In all of my dynos, he's pretty much off limits.ETA: I sold him in one dyno last week, but it was for AJ Green straight up.
 
'lbouchard said:
'SSOG said:
'omally said:
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down.
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:confused: The overwhelming majority of logic in here is saying to keep him.
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*some of the logic in here
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No one is selling Harvin either. In all of my dynos, he's pretty much off limits.ETA: I sold him in one dyno last week, but it was for AJ Green straight up.
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Been after him for years. Finally got him after week 4, before he'd scored any offensive TDs. Gave Brandon Marshall, Bryce Brown (he owns McCoy), and a 1st (very late), got Percy and San Fran's defense.
 
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'ConnSKINS26 said:
Negotiating to move Calvin for him in a deal now. Not sure it'll happen.
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Haven't hammered out the details yet. He admitted he should explore the trade because he'd win deal value-wise, but loved Percy and didn't really want to trade him. So what is the value gap between the two, between two owners who love Harvin? No idea yet. But it's not going to be much. Probably less than the value of a future 1st. If it happens.
 
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down. Aaron Rodgers? Nowhere to go but down! Sell! AJ Green? Sell! Ray Rice and Trent Richardson? Sell! Sell! Gronkowski! Sell! After all that selling, you'll wind up with a roster full of Jake Lockers and Dustin Kellers and Shane Vereens... but hey, at least they'll have nowhere to go but up, right?Percy Harvin is exactly the type of player you should be looking to acquire, not sell. He's a franchise cornerstone. If he continues his pace for the rest of the season, he'll rank 6th all time in yards from scrimmage through 4 years, right behind Boldin and right ahead of Fitzgerald. Other names on that list include Moss, Rice, Holt, Calvin, and Alworth. He already ranks 3rd in yards from scrimmage through age 24, and is likely to pass Fitzgerald for second place (behind Moss) by the end of the year. And this is completely ignoring the fact that he also happens to be the best kickoff returner in the league right now.Edit: Pro Football Focus rates Harvin as the best WR in the league so far this season. He is 24 years old.
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It's hard to argue an unpopular position, and I like Harvin, as I stated. This is why I have a specific example with McCoy, so it was clear what I mean by the "right price". Obviously, somewhere in my note something gave the idea I was advocating selling Harvin for a bag of peanuts... It escapes me where I said it exactly, but by all means, your logic is more sound than mine. I respect your opinion, I would just like to point out Harvin wasn't thought of in these terms just a year ago. Dealing him now, for a more proven commodity, at the possible peak of his value, is not an awful thing to do. I would certainly consider it in dynasty, if I owned him. By the way, not selling him in redraft at all :)
 
I have him in one of my dynasty leagues, I would sell him but it would have to be a crazy offer like I got for Mccoy and couldn't turn down (I got Doug Martin, Harvin, Rudolph and a 2013 2nd) For me it would take a lower receiver like a Antonio Brown, Torrey Smith, Denarius Moore and either a running back 2 or Gronk or Graham and a 1st or early 2nd round pick.

 
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'lbouchard said:
'ConnSKINS26 said:
Negotiating to move Calvin for him in a deal now. Not sure it'll happen.
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What are the extra pieces?
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Haven't hammered out the details yet. He admitted he should explore the trade because he'd win deal value-wise, but loved Percy and didn't really want to trade him. So what is the value gap between the two, between two owners who love Harvin? No idea yet. But it's not going to be much. Probably less than the value of a future 1st. If it happens.
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Update: the deal is on the table. He's sleeping on it, and will accept or reject tomorrow. No counter coming, this is the agreed-upon deal, he's just not sure if he wants it. So, accept or reject. The moment of truth.Calvin for Harvin and a 2012 2nd. Not even entirely sure if I WANT him to pull the trigger, because the second Calvin has two great games in a row or starts catching some TD's, his value becomes untouchable again. But I think I want Harvin. I like him better, he's younger, and he seems to actually help me win this year, more than Calvin, who doesn't look the same due to injury and game plan (neither does Stafford, for unknown reasons).
 
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'Genester said:
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down. Aaron Rodgers? Nowhere to go but down! Sell! AJ Green? Sell! Ray Rice and Trent Richardson? Sell! Sell! Gronkowski! Sell! After all that selling, you'll wind up with a roster full of Jake Lockers and Dustin Kellers and Shane Vereens... but hey, at least they'll have nowhere to go but up, right?

Percy Harvin is exactly the type of player you should be looking to acquire, not sell. He's a franchise cornerstone. If he continues his pace for the rest of the season, he'll rank 6th all time in yards from scrimmage through 4 years, right behind Boldin and right ahead of Fitzgerald. Other names on that list include Moss, Rice, Holt, Calvin, and Alworth. He already ranks 3rd in yards from scrimmage through age 24, and is likely to pass Fitzgerald for second place (behind Moss) by the end of the year. And this is completely ignoring the fact that he also happens to be the best kickoff returner in the league right now.

Edit: Pro Football Focus rates Harvin as the best WR in the league so far this season. He is 24 years old.
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It's hard to argue an unpopular position, and I like Harvin, as I stated. This is why I have a specific example with McCoy, so it was clear what I mean by the "right price". Obviously, somewhere in my note something gave the idea I was advocating selling Harvin for a bag of peanuts... It escapes me where I said it exactly, but by all means, your logic is more sound than mine. I respect your opinion, I would just like to point out Harvin wasn't thought of in these terms just a year ago. Dealing him now, for a more proven commodity, at the possible peak of his value, is not an awful thing to do. I would certainly consider it in dynasty, if I owned him. By the way, not selling him in redraft at all :)
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I'm not even opposed to the idea of trading Harvin. Nobody is really untouchable- if someone offered me Rodgers, Calvin, Rice, and Gronk, I'm pretty sure I'd move anyone. It's more the thought that Harvin is someone who NEEDS to be sold, like he's some sort of depreciating asset that has to be moved before the bottom falls out. Harvin's not a dynasty sell, he's a dynasty buy. Also, while his value among the general public has really spiked recently, a lot of people have been sky-high on him for a long time. He had a 12 page hype thread as a rookie. He was rookie of the year at 21 and a top 10 WR at 23. He's been dominating Pro Football Focus's missed/broken tackle ratings for years. As I mentioned, I've been trying to trade for him since 2009. Harvin and Cobb are the only two players I own in all of my leagues. He's not a flash in the pan who just suddenly magically found himself flush with value, he's a guy who's performing exactly like a lot of people always thought he would perform, and the rest of the community is just now waking up to that fact.

 
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down. Aaron Rodgers? Nowhere to go but down! Sell! AJ Green? Sell! Ray Rice and Trent Richardson? Sell! Sell! Gronkowski! Sell! After all that selling, you'll wind up with a roster full of Jake Lockers and Dustin Kellers and Shane Vereens... but hey, at least they'll have nowhere to go but up, right?



Percy Harvin is exactly the type of player you should be looking to acquire, not sell.
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Okay... then make the OP an offer and let's see if we can get a hypothetical deal done... as a thought exercise.
 
'bonesman said:
'SSOG said:
By the logic in here, if you ever acquire the best fantasy player in the league, you should sell immediately because he has nowhere to go but down. Aaron Rodgers? Nowhere to go but down! Sell! AJ Green? Sell! Ray Rice and Trent Richardson? Sell! Sell! Gronkowski! Sell! After all that selling, you'll wind up with a roster full of Jake Lockers and Dustin Kellers and Shane Vereens... but hey, at least they'll have nowhere to go but up, right?



Percy Harvin is exactly the type of player you should be looking to acquire, not sell.
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Okay... then make the OP an offer and let's see if we can get a hypothetical deal done... as a thought exercise.
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Brandon Marshall and a 1stHakeem Nicks and a 1st

Marshawn Lynch

Darren McFadden

Matt Ryan

Matt Stafford and a 1st

Doug Martin

Three 2013 1st rounders

Josh Gordon (or *insert hot prospect du jour here*), Ahmad Bradshaw, and a 1st

Vernon Davis and a 1st

Aaron Hernandez and a 1st

Calvin Johnson for Harvin and a first

Lesean McCoy for Harvin and Cobb

Just throwing out as many different offers as come immediately to mind in order to give a rough estimate of what I'd be looking to move to get him.

 
I traded him away this week. Harvin and Torrey Smith for Calvin and Denarius Moore. Redraft, standard scoring.

Calvin had his bye already so that's an extra week over Percy and through 7 games, Calvin has just as many yards and catches as last year. I'm banking on the TDs coming in the second half.

I was also worried about his durability. Will his body hold up after all these touches? He's never had this many touches his whole career.

 
'fbplaya021 said:
I traded him away this week. Harvin and Torrey Smith for Calvin and Denarius Moore. Redraft, standard scoring.Calvin had his bye already so that's an extra week over Percy and through 7 games, Calvin has just as many yards and catches as last year. I'm banking on the TDs coming in the second half. I was also worried about his durability. Will his body hold up after all these touches? He's never had this many touches his whole career.
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Oddly enough it has been Calvin who has the injuries that has resulted in shaky games lately.
 
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'fbplaya021 said:
I traded him away this week. Harvin and Torrey Smith for Calvin and Denarius Moore. Redraft, standard scoring.Calvin had his bye already so that's an extra week over Percy and through 7 games, Calvin has just as many yards and catches as last year. I'm banking on the TDs coming in the second half. I was also worried about his durability. Will his body hold up after all these touches? He's never had this many touches his whole career.
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Oddly enough it has been Calvin who has the injuries that has resulted in shaky games lately.
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True but he hasn't had a huge dropoff even with nagging injuries and being double and triple teamed.
 
As to the OP question no I do not consider Harvin to be a sell high. I think Harvin is going to be very good for quite a long time. I expect the Vikings to give Harvin a contract extension after this season and he will likely be the focal point of the Vikings passing offense for the next 4-5 years, possibly longer.

One poster mentioned Harvins previous issue with chronic migraine headaches. This is a problem of the past. The Vikings medical staff has found the cause of the problem and fixed it. Harvin no longer suffers from this ailment. I do not see any reason why the headaches would come back as they have found the solution to the issue.

I wouldn't sell Harvin in any format unless I was getting insane value* back in return for him. I do not think we have seen his performance peak yet, he still has upside to improve from how well he has been performing this season. This is still a very young developing offense. I see the offensive line getting better after a year of seasoning with Kalil. I also see Ponder getting better or being replaced eventually, either way what Harvin is doing now is not at risk with any QB Harvin will get his.

*Insane value would be more than Harvin is worth. At the start of the season I would have likely traded Harvin for Calvin Johnson straight up, but based on how the Lions have been using Johnson this year (lots of patterns over the middle that has caused Johnson to take a lot of big hits) I do not think I would do even that straight up right now. About the only player I have rated higher than Harvin right now is Trent Richardson, and even there the shelf life of a WR is much longer than one of a RB. Hard to see myself trading Harvin for anything owners would pay for him, yes I realize I am being a bit unreasonable, I just see Harvins future being too bright to let him go for any deal that would be considered reasonable.

 
'fbplaya021 said:
I traded him away this week. Harvin and Torrey Smith for Calvin and Denarius Moore. Redraft, standard scoring.Calvin had his bye already so that's an extra week over Percy and through 7 games, Calvin has just as many yards and catches as last year. I'm banking on the TDs coming in the second half. I was also worried about his durability. Will his body hold up after all these touches? He's never had this many touches his whole career.
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Sure he has- in college, where he was an RB in the SEC. And beyond that, that's true of every player in history when they first assume a leading role. It's generally a good thing when your players get more touches. Harvin is jacked. Google some pictures of him sometime. In terms of height and weight, he's basically built like Reggie Bush, and he's getting fewer touches than Bush. He can easily handle 10 touches a game, which is basically a very light CoP role by RB standards.
 
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