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Drafting Devin Hester (1 Viewer)

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Devin Hester on NFL.com

I would like to pick up Devin Hester as a late-round flier (league gives return points to the player). Obviously, the Bears have announced that Hester will be switched to WR. But our league has a rule that "what NFL.com says is what the player is"--hard and fast. So while I would like to draft Hester as a WR, and while the Bears say he is now a WR--I'm sort of stuck, so far as drafting in my league, aren't I?

If you were a fellow league-mate, what would you say if I tried to draft Devin Hester with a rule like the one above? Anybody else in the same position? (Our league doesn't use IDPs). Are we really stuck, just waiting for when NFL.com decides to switch his designation?

 
Devin Hester on NFL.com

I would like to pick up Devin Hester as a late-round flier (league gives return points to the player). Obviously, the Bears have announced that Hester will be switched to WR. But our league has a rule that "what NFL.com says is what the player is"--hard and fast. So while I would like to draft Hester as a WR, and while the Bears say he is now a WR--I'm sort of stuck, so far as drafting in my league, aren't I?

If you were a fellow league-mate, what would you say if I tried to draft Devin Hester with a rule like the one above? Anybody else in the same position? (Our league doesn't use IDPs). Are we really stuck, just waiting for when NFL.com decides to switch his designation?
The team website has him listed as WR.... then thats his position
 
why do you want to draft him anyway
I kind of agree... unless Mushy or BB get injuried; Hester has very little value. Don't get me wrong; I do own Hester in a Dynasty league... but its a 14 team / 33 man roster. I say if he has a decent yr at the new position and Mushy leaves.. Hester could be a something in 08
 
I would think it should be fine to play Devin Hester as a WR in any league this year. The Bears have come right out and stated he is a WR on their team - even if he doesn't get as many reps in practice as the starting wideouts.

 
I picked him up in a dynasty 40 player roster's

we get 1pt per 25 kick return yards and 1 pt per 20 punt returns.

so if he gets like 125 kick return yards and 20 punt return yards a game

and 2 catches for 20 yards = 10 points

If he is no longer playing corner maybe we have some potential.

 
Bah! We could debate the merits of drafting Devin Hester all day (especially in a league that rewards all TDs scored to the player).

But for the purposes of this thread, I'm just curious:

1) if anybody else has faced a situation like this before, and/or

2) what would your reaction be if someone in your league tried to do something like this (given that your league had a rule that names a specific site as "the Bible" for such issues for your league--and "the Bible" has the player listed in the wrong position).

 
Coming from a Chicago homer, Hester is basically going to be the WR4 or 5 for the Bears.

First with regard to him at receiver, Berrian and Muhammad are WR 1 and 1a, depending on which way you put them in order, then Mark Bradley is WR3, followed by either Rashied Davis or Hester at 4 and 5. Bradley is more talented than Davis or Hester, as a receiver anyway, and will likely get quite a few more reps in any 3 WR packages (provided he stays healthy). Hester will be run out there a handful of times a game at receiver, and they'll probably try to get him the ball in space, on short routes, WR screens, or a reverse, hoping he breaks one with his playmaking ability. He'll be used as a decoy too, plus they also might use him to stretch the field occasionally, but I think less than most are guessing. Berrian is already the established deep threat, and has a great ability to find the ball and outjump the defender (making Grossman look good). That's something that will take time for Hester to develop.

As for his return game, the fact that your league would reward any return TDs gives him a bit more value, but still not enough to really warrant upgrading him much. There's no doubt he's got gamebreaking ability as a return specialist, but are return TDs something you really want to rely on. You're throwing darts at that point hoping you get lucky and catch one of the 3 or 4 games he might get a return TD.

Keep in mind the Bears also drafted Olsen at TE, and want to keep Desmond Clark in the mix since he had a career year last year. That's a lot of looks to share overall. Hester is not going to be a receiver that puts up any kind of consistent numbers, but he may be a big play threat. I still don't think he really warrants roster consideration, except in VERY deep leagues, if at all.

Also, you never know, David Ball might end up in the mix here as well at receiver. But I don't think anyone beyond Berrian or Muhammad should ever crack your starting lineup, and don't see any of the other receivers really being roster worthy.

 
Also, your league should really reconsider this rule. If anything, each team's respective official website should be the source, since those are typically updated before NFL.com.

 
To actually answer the question posted...I'd guess your solution depends entirely on who's in your league, and who's likely to make a big issue out of this. I imagine a rule like yours is there in the first place because either (1) you've got a #### in your league who likes to play fast and loose with player positions (by, I don't know, insisting Marques Colston is a TE or something) or (2) someone in your league was burned by such a person in the past. Everyone knows Hester is being tried out at WR this year. If said #### is no longer (or never was) in your league, you'll probably be alright taking him at WR (while being sure to revisit the rule so there's no confusion in the future). On the other hand, if said #### is still around, he'll probably insist that Hester can't be drafted at WR (a rule is a rule afterall, and why should you get to pick Hester when he couldn't play Mike Vick at RB, since Vick gets so many rushing yards anyways...).

 
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This is reminiscent of when Deion Sanders got move to offense. Lots of hype surrounding the move, people drafted him (mostly to look cool), and then he ended up being used as a decoy the majority of the time he lined up. Don't draft him.

 
FWIW, I know this is just the first day of camp, and obviously, there's a long way to go before any of this really means much, but it sounds like Hester was a BIG story at the Bears first day of camp. It also sounds like they're tying to use him in a lot of different ways, as predicted:

Easy to give quick rundown on Hester

July 28, 2007

BY NEIL HAYES nhayes@suntimes.com

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- Devin Hester caught a pass near the line of scrimmage. A quick move left veteran cornerback Nathan Vasher in the dust before a quick cut inside resulted in veteran safety Mike Brown grasping at air and then shaking his head in disbelief.

Hester continued a trend that began during offseason workouts by standing out like a flashing neon light during the Bears' first training camp practice at Olivet Nazarene University on Friday. The cornerback-turned-receiver lined up split wide, in the slot and in the backfield. He looked like a natural while running routes and catching long and short passes.

If his first official practice as a wide receiver is any indication -- we'll learn more when he practices in pads for the first time today -- Hester may exceed expectations while making the difficult transition from defense to offense.

''He's picking it up well,'' quarterback Rex Grossman said. ''He has so much potential. He knows the offense on paper, and now he just needs to get more reps to get comfortable with it. He's an added dimension to our offense that's bound to create a bunch of big plays during the season.''

Hester proved his big-play ability during his rookie season by returning an NFL-record six total kicks or punts for touchdowns before opening Super Bowl XLI with an electrifying 92-yard kickoff return against the Colts, prompting the Bears to attempt to get the ball in his hands more often by moving him to offense full-time.

History says it's rare for a player to successfully move from defense to offense and rarer still when that player plays a skill position. The last cornerback to become a Pro Bowl-caliber receiver was ex-Cardinals receiver Roy Green.

''He's going to be great,'' Vasher said. ''He's going to be someone to keep your eyes on.''

Hester was a kick returner and receiver during his freshman year at Miami. He played offense and defense as a sophomore. He moved to cornerback full-time before his junior year but saw limited action on offense later in the season.

''He got caught going back and forth between offense and defense and never had a chance to show what he could do on the offensive side of the ball,'' said Dan Werner, who was Miami's offensive coordinator in 2004-05. ''He was so talented, but he never found his niche except for being a kick returner.''

There have been reports that Hester's inability to absorb Miami's playbook prevented him from becoming a full-time offensive player, although Werner, who now is offensive coordinator at Mississippi, said he saw no evidence of that.

''We'd only get him for about five minutes a day, and we'd give him four or five plays and use him whenever we could,'' Werner said. ''The things we did with him he picked up fine. I don't know what it would be like to give him the whole game plan, but we didn't have any issues.''

Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner said Hester's route-running and ability to absorb offensive plays and terminology are what has surprised him most about what thus far has looked like a seamless transition.

''We're trying to be careful with what we do with him, just like we do anytime we get someone new at the position,'' Turner said. ''There's a fine line. You don't want to ask them to do too much because then they can't do anything well. We're trying to zero in on what he can do well and give him a small package just like we did with Bernard [berrian] when he first got here. We're bringing him along slowly, but we're pleased with the transition so far and the progress that he's made.''

Hester's speed -- he's one of the league's fastest players -- not only could enhance his ability to make plays but also could demand double-coverage that could make it easier for others to find open spaces in opposing secondaries. The prospect of having the speedy Berrian lined up on one side and Hester on the other could cause migraines for opposing defensive coordinators.

''He has started out real well, and he's only going to get better,'' Grossman said. ''The more time he gets as a true wide receiver, the better he's going to be. I'll get the timing of how he runs routes more, and he'll get a better feel of how [coaches] want him to run his routes. It just takes a little bit of time, but he's unbelievable with the ball in his hands -- and that's why we're going to get it to him a lot of different ways.''

 
why do you want to draft him anyway
I kind of agree... unless Mushy or BB get injuried; Hester has very little value. Don't get me wrong; I do own Hester in a Dynasty league... but its a 14 team / 33 man roster. I say if he has a decent yr at the new position and Mushy leaves.. Hester could be a something in 08
Nope, when Mushin gets cut next offseason, Bradley should start opposite Berrian(assuming Berrian resigns).
 
I can not see any situation playing out this year where Hester will be a viable starter. As a pure DB his value is zero, as a pure WR his value is next to zero and as a kick returner I wouldn't expect anywhere near the 7 return TD's he posted in '06 as teams simply won't kick to him nearly as much as they did last year. Even in a league where return yardage & TD's count I can't see Devon being anything close to a starter at any position, unless your league has a designated returner spot.

 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
why do you want to draft him anyway
I kind of agree... unless Mushy or BB get injuried; Hester has very little value. Don't get me wrong; I do own Hester in a Dynasty league... but its a 14 team / 33 man roster. I say if he has a decent yr at the new position and Mushy leaves.. Hester could be a something in 08
Nope, when Mushin gets cut next offseason, Bradley should start opposite Berrian(assuming Berrian resigns).
I don't know why people think Muhsin is getting cut after the season. He is still a solid WR and a great run blocker.Hester will never be a full time WR regardless.
 
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=247510

"Maybe Steve Smith," says offensive coordinator Ron Turner when asked if he has ever been around a player as explosive and dynamic as Hester. "That would be the only other guy."

On deep routes, Hester beat every defensive back he could find Saturday. But his long ball potential is not what excites the Bears the most. Hester runs sharp routes and has good hands; with his open-field ability, he can be used in nearly any way Turner can cook up.

 
This is reminiscent of when Deion Sanders got move to offense. Lots of hype surrounding the move, people drafted him (mostly to look cool), and then he ended up being used as a decoy the majority of the time he lined up. Don't draft him.
or dante hall. i love it for the bears but think it will be generally useless for FF
 
Bah! We could debate the merits of drafting Devin Hester all day (especially in a league that rewards all TDs scored to the player).But for the purposes of this thread, I'm just curious:1) if anybody else has faced a situation like this before, and/or2) what would your reaction be if someone in your league tried to do something like this (given that your league had a rule that names a specific site as "the Bible" for such issues for your league--and "the Bible" has the player listed in the wrong position).
No not re-Hester but sure I've seen that happen. You can only do what the rules say.Write an email to NFL.com's fantasy section and hopefully they'll change it.If not you'll have to acquire him on the WW when they do change it.The rule is usually written fairly short and to the point with no room for interpretation or anything where you can finagle him onto your team.
 
Bah! We could debate the merits of drafting Devin Hester all day (especially in a league that rewards all TDs scored to the player).But for the purposes of this thread, I'm just curious:1) if anybody else has faced a situation like this before, and/or2) what would your reaction be if someone in your league tried to do something like this (given that your league had a rule that names a specific site as "the Bible" for such issues for your league--and "the Bible" has the player listed in the wrong position).
We had this situation years back with Deion Sanders when he played both sides. We had one Dallas homer that wanted to draft him, so we put a stipulation allowing him to draft him up to a league vote. It passed and he was allowed to draft Deion.I would try running that by your league.
 
why do you want to draft him anyway
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why? why you two so negative about such an exciting player?If it's Rex.....well who could argue that.Anything else, I think ya gotta head on over to the Bears site or Sun Times or Tribune and check out some articles on him and how he's doing.There's no debating his big play ability, right? And ya know he's got wheels.Well everyone is saying how he catches "everything".If I may, I'll just stop and ask, what more do you want from a WR?(forget WR coach's name) was saying recently how he was laughing at the DBs bumping him and well messing with him to throw him off his game. He knows what's coming in that regard and he's laughing as it's his turn to get it and quickly learning how to beat it. Since we're talking about a player going undrafted...really, what more do you want?This isn't Deion or Champ playing WR for a few plays here and there, this is a position switch. FWIW I expect him to go from undrafted 20th round up to 14th at least by end of August.
 

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