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Heeeee's Baaaack: Domenik Hixon (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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Second-year wide receiver Domenik Hixon is off to a flying start in his first offseason practices as a pro. “He’s 100 percent recovered and has been very impressive in the one-on-ones and the team work,” Head Coach Mike Shanahan said. “It looks like he’s got a big future with us.”
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The Broncos took another WR in the 4th round last year - another raw top notch athlete at WR who was extremely productive in his senior year after spending some time on defense during his college career (which I believe helps toughen a WR up and have a deeper understanding of the position much like playing QB does). Hixon's lean speed merchant game is a contrast (he'll be in the mix to return kicks) to the super-sized Marshall, but he's just as hungry for the ball when it's in the air. Marshall has been through the wringer this offseason. He was with both Darrent Williams and Damien Nash when they died, and got arrested in a domestic dispute. Cecil has been around Mike Shanahan more than all of us combined. When Shanny said " I know he won't" in response to a question about whether Marshall was going to have more off the field problems, Cecil interpreted that as "next strike, you're gone".

:yucky:

Now Brandon did invite people to Google him to confirm his honor roll record, and Marshall did give a seemingly sincere account of the offseason:

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“I’ve definitely grown up,” Marshall said Wednesday after the first day of the team’s quarterback camp that continues into next week. “It’s sad to say, but sometimes you have to bump your head or go through some things to actually learn.

“So I’m glad that it happened now rather than down the road in my career. And I can guarantee that I’ll be on top of everything from here on out.”
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He also spent extra time with Heimerdinger working on routes at the end of a day of lining up as the #1 opposite Walker.I still believe 100% in Marshall's talent, but I also believe Hixon is a good talent in his own right. Hixon was also high on my sleeper WR list, and I would advocate owning him no matter what team he was on, but since Chaos Commish and I spread our Marshall hysteria here last Spring, I feel a responsibility to help anyone who listened to CYA in case Marshall turns out to be a bad apple. I hope he's not, but it would explain why someone with his ability fell to the 4th round.

 
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So if Stokely is healthy (insert joke here) isn't he the guy to start in Marshall's stead?

I think Stokely is still relatively young - his body is just aging with all those injuries.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
So if Stokely is healthy (insert joke here) isn't he the guy to start in Marshall's stead?I think Stokely is still relatively young - his body is just aging with all those injuries.
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Stokely is strictly slot material, and that was before all the injuries. If he ever started it would be as a temporary plug in. Hixon is far superior physically and would be looked at as the first long term replacement candidate, imo.
 
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With Walker, Marshall, Stokley, Rod, & now Hixon, it doesn't make sense that denver was willing to give up so much for Calvin Johnson... especially with their needs on D.

 
IIRC Rod Smith had some kind of hip issue in the off season that I believe required surgery - if he was a less classy guy I would have joked it was hip replacement...

 
#@%&$!? said:
msommer said:
IIRC Rod Smith had some kind of hip issue in the off season that I believe required surgery - if he was a less classy guy I would have joked it was hip replacement...
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Quick read about Rod's injury and how it affected him last season. Said he never played at more than 80% healthy... http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5923413
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I was astounded reading about how bad his hip was last year, and how it had started deteriorating in 2004. We notice when players are soft, but we don't hear as much about players who play through extreme pain because they do it with dignity - quietly.
 
I have been high on Hixon for a while. He is a great athlete. I have him stashed in one league and like his potential. He was taken 11 picks after Marshall. In deep leagues, he is worth it.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
but since Chaos Commish and I spread our Marshall hysteria here last Spring, I feel a responsibility to help anyone who listened to CYA in case Marshall turns out to be a bad apple. I hope he's not, but it would explain why someone with his ability fell to the 4th round.
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:popcorn: Fwiw, I drafted Hixon last year in the 5th round of a Zealots draft. That's a pick I didn't see anywhere else. So, I am with you on both these guys. Javon Walker owners should be most concerned. eeee...
 
#@%&$!? said:
With Walker, Marshall, Stokley, Rod, & now Hixon, it doesn't make sense that denver was willing to give up so much for Calvin Johnson... especially with their needs on D.
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Well, Denver may be set at WR, but Calvin Johnson is Calvin Johnson. If a young Barry Sanders was available in the draft, would you blame Seattle if they traded up to get him, even if they're set at RB? If a young John Elway was in the draft, would you blame San Diego for trading up to get him, even if they're set at QB? It's one thing to say "we don't really need a WR", and quite another thing entirely to say "we don't need the highest rated, most complete prospect at any position in the last 20 years". While Denver's WRs are very good, it's not like they're so elite they can't be upgraded, and a couple of years can really change everything.I mean, Denver could have easily said that they didn't need Cutler, since Plummer was coming off of a great season and still had probably 3-4 more good years left in him... but Denver's always looking towards the future, and why settle for a very good guy at a position when you have a shot at the type of talent that you're only going to have a serious shot at once every 10 years? And in the end, it was a good thing, because the wheels really fell of Plummer unexpectedly last year (although, granted, perhaps Cutler was the reason that the wheels fell off Plummer last year).
 
I've been collecting this cat in

my deep dynasty leagues,

even in one of my "not so deep" dynasty leagues.

I think he will ascend the rankings board by opening day.

I see him as a special talent with lots of question marks,

(Rod Smith, JWalker & BMarshall) in front of him.

 
Ron_Mexico said:
I've been collecting this cat in my deep dynasty leagues, even in one of my "not so deep" dynasty leagues.I think he will ascend the rankings board by opening day.I see him as a special talent with lots of question marks, (Rod Smith, JWalker & BMarshall) in front of him.
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I hardly think Javon Walker qualifies as a question mark.
 
SSOG said:
Ron_Mexico said:
I've been collecting this cat in my deep dynasty leagues, even in one of my "not so deep" dynasty leagues.I think he will ascend the rankings board by opening day.I see him as a special talent with lots of question marks, (Rod Smith, JWalker & BMarshall) in front of him.
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I hardly think Javon Walker qualifies as a question mark.
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Maybe I'm one of the few who still think he's a question mark,.His numbers were substantially down last season compared to his pre-knee shred numbers in Green Bay.Having said that, he is still the obvious #1 WR for the Broncos.
 
Ron_Mexico said:
SSOG said:
Ron_Mexico said:
I've been collecting this cat in my deep dynasty leagues, even in one of my "not so deep" dynasty leagues.I think he will ascend the rankings board by opening day.I see him as a special talent with lots of question marks, (Rod Smith, JWalker & BMarshall) in front of him.
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I hardly think Javon Walker qualifies as a question mark.
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Maybe I'm one of the few who still think he's a question mark,.His numbers were substantially down last season compared to his pre-knee shred numbers in Green Bay.Having said that, he is still the obvious #1 WR for the Broncos.
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His per-target numbers were the second best in the entire NFL, behind only Marvin Harrison. The only reason his numbers were down was because his targets were down, not because he's any less of a stud.
 
I'm in no way suggesting Javon Walker isn't a solid

player. My point here is that the WR corps as a whole

is ripe for someone like Hixon to step up and make

a serious impact from a dynasty FF perspective.

 
Ron_Mexico said:
I'm in no way suggesting Javon Walker isn't a solidplayer. My point here is that the WR corps as a whole is ripe for someone like Hixon to step up and make a serious impact from a dynasty FF perspective.
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I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3, and there's really no place for Hixon to ever become more than a WR2 at best (and even that's relatively unlikely).In a league with really deep rosters I'd consider stashing him, but for the most part, I have much better things to do with my roster spots. JMHO.
 
Hixon is a good talent. Despite putting up some good numbers at Akron, he was still a bit raw. Like Marshall, he is a converted safety (only played WR for two years).

One of the question marks on him was his downfield blocking. I don't know how much he has worked on that while sitting out a year, but that could limit his opportunities.

 
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
 
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Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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SSOG seems to be talking strictly about Hixon making a fantasycontribution from the WR3 slot in 2007. This view is short-sighted, imo.I am looking at a dynasty investment that could pay big dividends in 2008. Maybe sooner if injuries come into play. If you have the room in a deep league, I think stashing this cat is a good move.
 
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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Not unless Denver starts lining its WR3 up in the TE positions.It's not like there are a certain amount of numbers that Denver is going to produce, and those numbers are totally fungible, able to be shifted from one player to the other regardless of position. Denver's offense is designed to emphasize the TE as a primary option. The primary read on most rollouts is the TE. You can't suddenly make the WR3 the primary read on those plays, because he's lined up in entirely the wrong position- you'd have to move him to the end of the offensive line, and there's no way Denver would do that unless they were planning on converting him to TE.Denver's offense emphasizes the TE position and virtually ignores the WR3 position. Even if the WR3 was on the field more, he's running the wrong routes to really be much of an impact player in Denver's offense as it currently stands... unless he gets converted to TE, that is. I mean, you could just as easily suggest that since Denver often makes 1,000 yard receivers out of its TE that it could just as easily make a 1,000 yard receiver out of its RB, too... but that wouldn't be true. WRs and TEs play different roles, and in the offense that Denver runs, the WR3s role will never be a fantasy consideration.
 
SSOG said:
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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Not unless Denver starts lining its WR3 up in the TE positions.It's not like there are a certain amount of numbers that Denver is going to produce, and those numbers are totally fungible, able to be shifted from one player to the other regardless of position. Denver's offense is designed to emphasize the TE as a primary option. The primary read on most rollouts is the TE. You can't suddenly make the WR3 the primary read on those plays, because he's lined up in entirely the wrong position- you'd have to move him to the end of the offensive line, and there's no way Denver would do that unless they were planning on converting him to TE.Denver's offense emphasizes the TE position and virtually ignores the WR3 position. Even if the WR3 was on the field more, he's running the wrong routes to really be much of an impact player in Denver's offense as it currently stands... unless he gets converted to TE, that is. I mean, you could just as easily suggest that since Denver often makes 1,000 yard receivers out of its TE that it could just as easily make a 1,000 yard receiver out of its RB, too... but that wouldn't be true. WRs and TEs play different roles, and in the offense that Denver runs, the WR3s role will never be a fantasy consideration.
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buy yet Shanahan has been seeking that elusive WR3 for years. IMO, the WR3 has been ineffective because of talent, not by design. Since 1998, Denver has made 6 WR picks on the first day, including 2 #1's. It should be noted that McAffrey was on the roster each time a WR was drafted in the first. Shanahan certainly has a history of bringing in WR's, just not ones good enough to stick (note - none of the WR's drafted by Shanahan have made a career in Denver or elsewhere).One thing I know about the Denver offense is that it continues to evolve, based largely on personnel. If the WR3 is more of a threat than the TE, then WR3 will get the ball more.
 
SSOG said:
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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Not unless Denver starts lining its WR3 up in the TE positions.It's not like there are a certain amount of numbers that Denver is going to produce, and those numbers are totally fungible, able to be shifted from one player to the other regardless of position. Denver's offense is designed to emphasize the TE as a primary option. The primary read on most rollouts is the TE. You can't suddenly make the WR3 the primary read on those plays, because he's lined up in entirely the wrong position- you'd have to move him to the end of the offensive line, and there's no way Denver would do that unless they were planning on converting him to TE.Denver's offense emphasizes the TE position and virtually ignores the WR3 position. Even if the WR3 was on the field more, he's running the wrong routes to really be much of an impact player in Denver's offense as it currently stands... unless he gets converted to TE, that is. I mean, you could just as easily suggest that since Denver often makes 1,000 yard receivers out of its TE that it could just as easily make a 1,000 yard receiver out of its RB, too... but that wouldn't be true. WRs and TEs play different roles, and in the offense that Denver runs, the WR3s role will never be a fantasy consideration.
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That's because their best option for several years was a TE, and they've had QBs who prefer the TE. Last year the TE position in Denver accounted for only 38 catches - and a great portion of that is the fact that Cutler's a different kind of QB. He looks to be a true drop-back passer and not a mobile QB in the mold of Elway and Plummer who will be constantly looking for the outlet pass, with his legs drawing in the LB and opening up the TE flat route.It's not a certainty, but Cutler's likely to put up much more traditional WR3 numbers for Denver than you've seen.
 
moleculo said:
SSOG said:
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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Not unless Denver starts lining its WR3 up in the TE positions.It's not like there are a certain amount of numbers that Denver is going to produce, and those numbers are totally fungible, able to be shifted from one player to the other regardless of position. Denver's offense is designed to emphasize the TE as a primary option. The primary read on most rollouts is the TE. You can't suddenly make the WR3 the primary read on those plays, because he's lined up in entirely the wrong position- you'd have to move him to the end of the offensive line, and there's no way Denver would do that unless they were planning on converting him to TE.Denver's offense emphasizes the TE position and virtually ignores the WR3 position. Even if the WR3 was on the field more, he's running the wrong routes to really be much of an impact player in Denver's offense as it currently stands... unless he gets converted to TE, that is. I mean, you could just as easily suggest that since Denver often makes 1,000 yard receivers out of its TE that it could just as easily make a 1,000 yard receiver out of its RB, too... but that wouldn't be true. WRs and TEs play different roles, and in the offense that Denver runs, the WR3s role will never be a fantasy consideration.
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buy yet Shanahan has been seeking that elusive WR3 for years. IMO, the WR3 has been ineffective because of talent, not by design. Since 1998, Denver has made 6 WR picks on the first day, including 2 #1's. It should be noted that McAffrey was on the roster each time a WR was drafted in the first. Shanahan certainly has a history of bringing in WR's, just not ones good enough to stick (note - none of the WR's drafted by Shanahan have made a career in Denver or elsewhere).One thing I know about the Denver offense is that it continues to evolve, based largely on personnel. If the WR3 is more of a threat than the TE, then WR3 will get the ball more.
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excellent post, Moleculo. :rolleyes:
 
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
Pygmy Marmoset said:
SSOG said:
I guess I just don't see it. Denver's not the kind of offense that will ever make a relevant player out of a WR3
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I'd say any offense capable of producing a 1000-yard-receiving TE or a 10-TD-receiving TE is perfectly capable of making a WR3 relevant. Granted, it looks unlikely to happen while there's a high-priced TE on the roster, but it's certainly conceivable.
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Not unless Denver starts lining its WR3 up in the TE positions.It's not like there are a certain amount of numbers that Denver is going to produce, and those numbers are totally fungible, able to be shifted from one player to the other regardless of position. Denver's offense is designed to emphasize the TE as a primary option. The primary read on most rollouts is the TE. You can't suddenly make the WR3 the primary read on those plays, because he's lined up in entirely the wrong position- you'd have to move him to the end of the offensive line, and there's no way Denver would do that unless they were planning on converting him to TE.

Denver's offense emphasizes the TE position and virtually ignores the WR3 position. Even if the WR3 was on the field more, he's running the wrong routes to really be much of an impact player in Denver's offense as it currently stands... unless he gets converted to TE, that is. I mean, you could just as easily suggest that since Denver often makes 1,000 yard receivers out of its TE that it could just as easily make a 1,000 yard receiver out of its RB, too... but that wouldn't be true. WRs and TEs play different roles, and in the offense that Denver runs, the WR3s role will never be a fantasy consideration.
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That's because their best option for several years was a TE, and they've had QBs who prefer the TE. Last year the TE position in Denver accounted for only 38 catches - and a great portion of that is the fact that Cutler's a different kind of QB. He looks to be a true drop-back passer and not a mobile QB in the mold of Elway and Plummer who will be constantly looking for the outlet pass, with his legs drawing in the LB and opening up the TE flat route.It's not a certainty, but Cutler's likely to put up much more traditional WR3 numbers for Denver than you've seen.
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It's always possible, I suppose, but I'll believe it when I see it. If Denver really starts scaling all the bootlegs back, then I'll accept that the TE is going to be playing a reduced role... but as long as there are bootlegs in Denver (and a large part of the running game feeds off the bootlegs, so I don't see them disappearing anytime soon), then the TE will be an integral part of the passing game.I really don't know how much of a pocket passer Cutler's going to wind up being. Granted, he's not going to be a Vince Young, here, but from what I saw from him in college, he's plenty capable of using his legs like Elway did late in his career.

Edit: watch this and tell me that the bootleg isn't going to remain a staple with Cutler in town. :thumbup:

 
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SSOG said:
Edit: watch this and tell me that the bootleg isn't going to remain a staple with Cutler in town. :unsure:
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Freeze frame at 7 seconds, survey the field, and you'll see why it won't be as prevalent as it was.Cutler's a launcher, not a wrist-flicker. When you step into a throw like that on a naked bootleg on a regular basis, you're looking at a whole mess of IR time.

 
Broncos WR Brian Clark has jumped ahead of Domenik Hixon on the team's depth chart.

If Brandon Stokley gets hurt, Clark is in line to fill the number three receiver role. Hixon remains a big part of the team's plan on returns.

Source: Denver Post

Hmm......this is new.

 
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