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Julius Jones: Am I crazy... (1 Viewer)

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I couldn't find a Spotlight thread, which is really telling. There probably isn't a more boring RB to talk about and we all feel like we know what he is at this point: A below-average RB that won't get many TD's or catch many passes.

Fantasy football is about figuring out something that everyone else overlooks, though. Is it even possible that there's more to Jones than the fantasy world thinks?

-Jones is a starting RB that is being taken after many RBBC guys. A player getting consistent carries has value, no matter who they are.

-Knapp can put out a productive running game.

-A healthy Hasselback, TJ's addition, and a terrible division should offer some opportunity to a starting RB getting carries.

-Jones hasn't had even 170 carries in the past 2 seasons. He should get way more this season.

-He's not a good pass catcher, but he's had a 35 catch season before and SEA doesn't have another great option.

-It took his brother a few seasons to put it all together as well.

Anybody else see value here?

The yards are likely to be there. The question is, is there any chance he catches a decent number of passes (30?) or gets even a modest number of TD's (6?).

If he does one of the latter, he might be a steal as a guy you can easily get as your 3rd/4th RB that could turn out to be a decent RB2 for a team.

 
He's probably not going to get too many touchdowns with TJ Duckett around. If he wasn't around I'd be right there with you. I still think he's a good value pick. Just not a great one.

 
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I'm cautiously optimistic. I would feel comfortable with him as my flex option. I'm not targeting him, but if we're in the late 4th/5th round and he's there I would have no problem taking him.

 
sirfumblesalot said:
I'm cautiously optimistic. I would feel comfortable with him as my flex option. I'm not targeting him, but if we're in the late 4th/5th round and he's there I would have no problem taking him.
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He's been going much later than that. Antsports has him as a late 7th round pick in 12 team leagues. I don't think he's even in ESPN's top 100.
 
I'd also add that I don't see a ton of difference b/w Jones and Ryan Grant, who's going much higher.

Both are starting RB's that are poor GL options and don't catch very well.

 
Jones has been one of those 'under the radar' type guys for me as well. While I wouldn't depend on him as a RB 1 or 2, I wouldn't mind grabbing a starting RB in the 6th or 7th who's in line to get most of his team's carries, even if he is a mediocre back.

FWIW, there have been some noises that Seattle was trying to sign Warrick Dunn which would possiblly render that backfield pretty useless from a fantasy perspective. LINK

 
I'm targeting Jones in every league, as should you. JJ could be the best value pick in the draft this season. :shrug:

FWIW: He had a good burst last weekend. I think the zone blocking and the revitalization of the Seattle passing game with Hass, Housh and co. will translate into solid fantasy #'s for Jones. Duckett doesnt scare me at all.

 
Definitely value there, but don't go TOO crazy.

It is definitely possible that he will GROSSLY outproduce his ADP - the opportunity is there. On the other hand, it is also possible he will be replaced by a better back or split time with an equal back - even if we don't know who that back may be. I personally feel that Duckett may be just as good a back if not better, but he's another perennial disappointment. Also, the FA RB option (Edge, whoever) is still a possibility as well.

He actually looked pretty good early last season, but he is NOT the kind of back that would be missed all that much by the offense if he wasn't in there.

All in all, I agree that he's currently undervalued, just don't be shocked if your "value pick" turns out to have no value at all. Roll the dice I guess.

 
akaoni said:
Jones has been one of those 'under the radar' type guys for me as well. While I wouldn't depend on him as a RB 1 or 2, I wouldn't mind grabbing a starting RB in the 6th or 7th who's in line to get most of his team's carries, even if he is a mediocre back.
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This was my thinking as well, and in a 14 team league where you start one RB and have a WR/RB flex (start 2 WRs, a TE, and a WR/TE flex also), already having ADP and Gore, I grabbed Jones in the 9th round at #117 overall. Too great of a value for a starting RB when WRs who went shortly after were guys like Justin Gage, Deion Branch, etc.
 
Too many rumors of Seattle looking to trade for a RB, for me to pick him up. Plus, there is an NFL team interested in Dunn. i can only imagine who that is.

 
using MFL's ADP feature, in 176 real drafts since August 1st (PPR) julius jones is going at 8.12, 104th overall. I don't think he becomes a solid value pick until 9th or 10th.

Other RBs in the neighborhood:

McCoy

Leon Washington

Mendenhall

Fred Jackson

Hightower

Bradshaw

instead of Julius, i would consider McCoy, Washington, and Bradshaw.

 
karmarooster said:
using MFL's ADP feature, in 176 real drafts since August 1st (PPR) julius jones is going at 8.12, 104th overall. I don't think he becomes a solid value pick until 9th or 10th. Other RBs in the neighborhood:McCoyLeon WashingtonMendenhallFred JacksonHightowerBradshaw instead of Julius, i would consider McCoy, Washington, and Bradshaw.
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Hard for me to consider a certain backup (barring injury) over a current starter. Hightower is the only guy on your list that wouldn't be in that category and the general consensus is that he will be replaced as well. Heck, some of those guys will be fighting to be the 2nd guy in the team's rotation. That list illustrates to me exactly why Jones IS a value. Current starter on what could be a good team with a good offense.
 
He's a sneaky good pick if utilized correctly. It depends on your draft strategy.



Low risk:

Take him as a great bye pick fill-in. He has great matchups in weeks 6, 9, and 10. Which RB's will be resting then? Week 6: Marion Barber/Felix Jones, Donald Brown/Addai, Ronnie Brown, Frank Gore. Week 9: Marshawn Lynch/Fred Jackson, Jamal Lewis/his replacement, Adrian Petersen, NY Jets 3 headed monster, Darren McFadden, Steven Jackson. Week 10: Steve Slaton/Chris Brown and Brandon Jacobs/Ahmad Bradshaw.

If you have two of these runners Julius Jones becomes a terrific plug in. He should average about 50 yards rushing and .5 TD's per game these weeks. That isn't spectacular but he probably isn't more than a few points below your competitor in a standard scoring league. Thus, you're staying competitive at other positions while your studs are resting and that's what winning is about.

High risk:

Matt Waldman's piece about taking your first RB's in lower rounds did not include Jones as a possible rusher. No problem: If you're think that Jones has an outside shot at cracking 1,000 yards and 6 TD's you might consider him as your RB2 all year. That's assuming you're getting Tier 1 players at all other positions.

Bottom line:

Jones has a high ceiling and very low floor at his current ADP.

 
IIRC, the FootballOutsiders 2009 Almanac has Julius as a top 10 fantasy RB. 11 TDs, I think.

I don't agree.

 
pollardsvision said:
I'd also add that I don't see a ton of difference b/w Jones and Ryan Grant, who's going much higher.Both are starting RB's that are poor GL options and don't catch very well.
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Exactly. What you're getting out of JJ is a 2-down back that will get pulled at the GL the majority of the time. Ryan Grant is similar in that he is a 2-down back but he doesn't get pulled at the GL in favor of a short yardage specialist (Rodgers does like to throw and bootleg down there, so I guess the outcome is close to the same).
 
Jones represents great value..just looking at his schedule, he's going to be a great 'spot-duty' fantasy player.

week 1, vs Rams

week 2, vs Niners

week 4 vs Colts ( easy to run on Indy)

week 5 , Jax ( not the best run-stuffing defense in the NFL)

week 8, Cowboys - revenge game

week 9 - LIONS!

week 12 RAMS

week 13 Niners

week 14, Houston

week 15 Bucs

week 16 - GB - if they haven't corrected their run defense problems

the games vs Rams, Niners, Lions, Colts, Houston make JJ a viable RB to own..add to that, games against Dallas, 2x Cards ( you have to figure Seattle will have some success against Az's run defense)

I'm worried about Walter Jones' health, however..he's been having some problems in camp thus far..hopefully he can play a full season.

the toughest run defenses they'll see is Chicago, Minnesota, and perhaps Tenn will give them fits..but these three are the only truly 'good' run stuffing defenses they'll face...

 
greggorymac said:
pollardsvision said:
I'd also add that I don't see a ton of difference b/w Jones and Ryan Grant, who's going much higher.Both are starting RB's that are poor GL options and don't catch very well.
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Exactly. What you're getting out of JJ is a 2-down back that will get pulled at the GL the majority of the time. Ryan Grant is similar in that he is a 2-down back but he doesn't get pulled at the GL in favor of a short yardage specialist (Rodgers does like to throw and bootleg down there, so I guess the outcome is close to the same).
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Lot of Ryan Grant hate. The big difference between RG and JJ? About 150 touches. If Ryan Grant didn't get in the endzone much last year but he got the rock a lot. Is there anyone on the Packers roster that will eat carries?I was a JJ fan last year. I figured that he play like a man possessed last year. His YPC was up but other than that I didn't see much.
 
stuckinthemuck said:
He's a sneaky good pick if utilized correctly. It depends on your draft strategy.



Low risk:

Take him as a great bye pick fill-in. He has great matchups in weeks 6, 9, and 10. Which RB's will be resting then? Week 6: Marion Barber/Felix Jones, Donald Brown/Addai, Ronnie Brown, Frank Gore. Week 9: Marshawn Lynch/Fred Jackson, Jamal Lewis/his replacement, Adrian Petersen, NY Jets 3 headed monster, Darren McFadden, Steven Jackson. Week 10: Steve Slaton/Chris Brown and Brandon Jacobs/Ahmad Bradshaw.

If you have two of these runners Julius Jones becomes a terrific plug in. He should average about 50 yards rushing and .5 TD's per game these weeks. That isn't spectacular but he probably isn't more than a few points below your competitor in a standard scoring league. Thus, you're staying competitive at other positions while your studs are resting and that's what winning is about.

High risk:

Matt Waldman's piece about taking your first RB's in lower rounds did not include Jones as a possible rusher. No problem: If you're think that Jones has an outside shot at cracking 1,000 yards and 6 TD's you might consider him as your RB2 all year. That's assuming you're getting Tier 1 players at all other positions.

Bottom line:

Jones has a high ceiling and very low floor at his current ADP.
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:shrug: A great RB to target mid-late rounds. He looked pretty solid last year before injuries decimated SEA.

 
spotlight thread http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...3&hl=julius

If Seattle does not sign a RB....call me crazy, but I see JJ breaking 1200 yards and around 8 TD's. He has never been a feature back and this year he will be. Duckett will only be short yardage. In the first preseason game Duckett was in the game on 3-1, and 3rd-2.

Mo Morris really ate into JJ'S carries and was always in on 3rd downs. I believe MOMO even started 5 games over JJ. So Jones is going to get alot more chances this year.

Bottom line he will outplay is ADP. Should be a strong #2-3 RB.

If your picking backup RB's before starting RB's who will be featured, can I please join your league when you have an opening? :goodposting:

 
TheFanatic said:
greggorymac said:
pollardsvision said:
I'd also add that I don't see a ton of difference b/w Jones and Ryan Grant, who's going much higher.Both are starting RB's that are poor GL options and don't catch very well.
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Exactly. What you're getting out of JJ is a 2-down back that will get pulled at the GL the majority of the time. Ryan Grant is similar in that he is a 2-down back but he doesn't get pulled at the GL in favor of a short yardage specialist (Rodgers does like to throw and bootleg down there, so I guess the outcome is close to the same).
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Lot of Ryan Grant hate. The big difference between RG and JJ? About 150 touches. If Ryan Grant didn't get in the endzone much last year but he got the rock a lot. Is there anyone on the Packers roster that will eat carries?I was a JJ fan last year. I figured that he play like a man possessed last year. His YPC was up but other than that I didn't see much.
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I like both as being undervalued. Don't hate Grant at all, but I do see the similarities.Is there anyone on the Packer roster that could take carries from Grant? Absolutely. Wynn was a starter in 2007 for a bit before an injury knocked him out. Brandon Jackson was a fairly highly touted draft pick and was a favorite to start at one time as well. Now folks are looking at Tyrell Sutton as a sleeper as well. I'm not saying any of these guys WILL take significant action away from Grant, but ANY of them could. It's not like Grant is a household name, has a great pedigree, or had a great year last year.I'd rather have Grant than Jones, but not by as much as you seem to imply.
 
Holy Schneikes said:
karmarooster said:
using MFL's ADP feature, in 176 real drafts since August 1st (PPR) julius jones is going at 8.12, 104th overall. I don't think he becomes a solid value pick until 9th or 10th.

Other RBs in the neighborhood:

McCoy

Leon Washington

Mendenhall

Fred Jackson

Hightower

Bradshaw

instead of Julius, i would consider McCoy, Washington, and Bradshaw.
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Hard for me to consider a certain backup (barring injury) over a current starter. Hightower is the only guy on your list that wouldn't be in that category and the general consensus is that he will be replaced as well. Heck, some of those guys will be fighting to be the 2nd guy in the team's rotation. That list illustrates to me exactly why Jones IS a value. Current starter on what could be a good team with a good offense.
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maybe you should re-think the whole backup/starter thing. Julius Jones 2007 stats: 700 yards rushing, 2 TDs, 14 receptions, 66 yards.... 98 points ..... (15 game played, only 10 started). the following "backups," committee RBs, 2nd and even 3rd stringers had more fantasy points than "starter" julius jones:
stewart
white
ward
faulk
pthomas
mcclain
rhodes
washington
mwelde
dunn
c.taylor
hightower
norwood
morris
mcgahee
r.williams
f.jackson
sproles
buckhalter
mccallister
rice
hillis
morris
choice :goodposting:

i mean, the backup on his OWN team had more points than him! mo morris with a steller 575 yards rushing, 19 receptions 136 yards and 2 TDs out-produced him by 2 points! how is that even possible?? fumbles? jones had 26 more carries and the same number of receptions, TDs, and more yardage??.... it says right here in my league history: Jones - 98.4 points, Morris an even 100.

wow this has really helped me, because i was considering him in the 10th as a value pick and maybe even a flex for bye-weeks. Julius, welcome to my do-not-draft list.

"starter" is only a title, it doesn't put up points for you every week.

 
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JJ averaged 4.4 YPC last year on a decimated offense. He is the unquestioned starter at this point, and will receive the vast majority of the workload. He can be a factor in the passing game.

According to every SOS chart I've looked at, Seattle has one of the easiest schedules in the NFL. FF Toolbox even goes so far as to say Seattle has the best schedule for a running back.

The offense is healthy and has a new toy (TJ) and some emerging/returning weapons (Carlson/Burleson). A new coaching staff includes members who have crafted top 10 running games before.

At an ADP of 7-8, what's NOT to like?

 
karmarooster said:
Holy Schneikes said:
karmarooster said:
using MFL's ADP feature, in 176 real drafts since August 1st (PPR) julius jones is going at 8.12, 104th overall. I don't think he becomes a solid value pick until 9th or 10th.

Other RBs in the neighborhood:

McCoy

Leon Washington

Mendenhall

Fred Jackson

Hightower

Bradshaw

instead of Julius, i would consider McCoy, Washington, and Bradshaw.
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Hard for me to consider a certain backup (barring injury) over a current starter. Hightower is the only guy on your list that wouldn't be in that category and the general consensus is that he will be replaced as well. Heck, some of those guys will be fighting to be the 2nd guy in the team's rotation. That list illustrates to me exactly why Jones IS a value. Current starter on what could be a good team with a good offense.
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maybe you should re-think the whole backup/starter thing. Julius Jones 2007 stats: 700 yards rushing, 2 TDs, 14 receptions, 66 yards.... 98 points ..... (15 game played, only 10 started). the following "backups," committee RBs, 2nd and even 3rd stringers had more fantasy points than "starter" julius jones:
stewart
white
ward
faulk
pthomas
mcclain
rhodes
washington
mwelde
dunn
c.taylor
hightower
norwood
morris
mcgahee
r.williams
f.jackson
sproles
buckhalter
mccallister
rice
hillis
morris
choice :yawn:

i mean, the backup on his OWN team had more points than him! mo morris with a steller 575 yards rushing, 19 receptions 136 yards and TDs out-produced him by 2 points! how is that even possible?? an extra fumble? it says right here in my league history: Jones - 98.4 points, Morris an even 100. jones had 26 more carries and the same number of receptions....

wow this has really helped me, because i was considering him in the 10th as a value pick and maybe even a flex for bye-weeks. Julius, welcome to my do-not-draft list.

"starter" is only a title, it doesn't put up points for you every week.
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I think you are making more of this than there is. If the "starter" term clouds things up, think of it as "featured back". Jones hasn't been a featured back since his rookie year. He was in a RBBC in Dallas (with a very good back) and then a RBBC in Seattle where Morris started as often as Jones did. This year, he is in line to be the clear primary ball carrier (i.e. featured back) for a decent team. I readily acknowledge the risk that Jones won't end the season the way he is scheduled to start it, but right now, he's the guy.Most or all of the guys on your original list would absolutely have to have an injury occur before they'd be viable fantasy options in most leagues. They may be super-talented guys and worthy as flyers or handcuffs, but you certainly couldn't count on any of them being big point producers. One or more of them probably WILL end up producing (due to injuries or other factors), but which ones? Jackson will be nice for a couple of games, but after that, it's back to the Lynch show. McCoy may or may not even be 2nd in line for carries in Philly - we'll see. Washington will be used, but he could easily end up having the 3rd most carries on his team. Is Mendenhall even the backup right now? Bradshaw or Hall as the 2nd guy? You can make a case for Hightower if you aren't in the Wells camp, so I can see that one, but he's not for me based on what he actually produced VS the high-profile rook.

You are certainly welcome to take shots on those guys over Jones, but I'd be looking for a guy who could fairly easily get 300+ touches this year.

 
TheFanatic said:
There is a reason Seattle called Warrick Dunn and it wasn't to just say hi...
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Maybe it was to say "Hey - you sure seem like a nice guy, but you are small and old and haven't had a good season in four years."Or maybe it was to say "You know, it sure would be funny to watch Duckett's face if we tell him we are bringing you in."
 
Jones will stink it up, you will be frustrated and bench him. He will have a blowout game where it looks like the light has come on. You will be pumped. He will let you down when you insert him back in the lineup. So goes Julius Jones. You will never want Jones again.

 
lod01 said:
Jones will stink it up, you will be frustrated and bench him. He will have a blowout game where it looks like the light has come on. You will be pumped. He will let you down when you insert him back in the lineup. So goes Julius Jones. You will never want Jones again.
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LOL - that does sound familiar. I've had him one dynasty league since he was a rookie. Even so, I did grab him recently in a new dynasty startup. It was an auction and he went for about a 5th of what the rest of the 2nd/3rd tier backs were going for.Your concern seems to apply to a lot of backs around the range we are talking about. I doubt anyone is planning to make Jones their #1 guy, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be a good #3 or even a possible #2 in a pinch (no pun intended)?
 
Holy Schneikes said:
TheFanatic said:
There is a reason Seattle called Warrick Dunn and it wasn't to just say hi...
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Maybe it was to say "Hey - you sure seem like a nice guy, but you are small and old and haven't had a good season in four years."Or maybe it was to say "You know, it sure would be funny to watch Duckett's face if we tell him we are bringing you in."
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While the latter is funny, the Seahags did not call him for either of these reasons...
 
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karmarooster said:
using MFL's ADP feature, in 176 real drafts since August 1st (PPR) julius jones is going at 8.12, 104th overall. I don't think he becomes a solid value pick until 9th or 10th. Other RBs in the neighborhood:McCoyLeon WashingtonMendenhallFred JacksonHightowerBradshaw instead of Julius, i would consider McCoy, Washington, and Bradshaw.
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:goodposting: Id rather use that pick on the more talented back in the more restrictive situation. Only angle on Julius is taking him and then trading him early if he gets hot, just like last year.
 
how many times do you need to be fooled. This guy is not to be trusted. He may do well on occasion, but he is a waste on a fantasy roster. If you draft him, TRADE him after his first good game to some stupid person in your league

 
There's some good thoughts in here.

I can't really disagree with anyone that might think JJ's a bum and likely not worth the trouble, even at a minimal investment.

It's just that when looking for guys to improve, we look for new situations, new teams, and new roles. JJ didn't switch teams, but his role is improved, the system is better (for running the ball), and the team has improved.

JJ has displayed talent in the past (albeit, a long time ago). He seems to have a nice opportunity now.

 
pollardsvision said:
There's some good thoughts in here.I can't really disagree with anyone that might think JJ's a bum and likely not worth the trouble, even at a minimal investment.It's just that when looking for guys to improve, we look for new situations, new teams, and new roles. JJ didn't switch teams, but his role is improved, the system is better (for running the ball), and the team has improved. JJ has displayed talent in the past (albeit, a long time ago). He seems to have a nice opportunity now.
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could he pull a T. Jones or C. Benson? It's possible, not probable but he's not going to cost you a ton to take the shot. As was pointed out earlier I might take a shot at a couple other near his ADP but couldn't kill anyone for going to the well one last time....
 
he is just not a guy that can consistently get the tough yards; every now and then he breaks a run off, but he just is not a featured back. He never will be but he will have a good game once in a while. Good luck trying to figure out when that will be

 
az_prof said:
Explain why he should do better than last year?
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More carries, healthier offense, big-time WR added, new coaching staff that always puts out a strong running game.No one's saying JJ is a shoe-in to be a stud. Just a guy that can be drafted as RB4 with a shot to be a decent RB2.
 
Knobs said:
When did Seattle call Dunn?

I'm liking this karmarooster fellow.
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Dunn weighing options on return to NFL Posted: August 18th, 2009 | Steve Wyche | Tags: Jim Mora, Philadelphia Eagles, Seattle Seahawks, Steve Wyche, Warrick Dunn

Veteran free agent RB Warrick Dunn has had teams reach out to him– including the Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks — however, he is awaiting further options before deciding on a return to the NFL.

A source close to Dunn said discussions with the Eagles never materialized because of an inability to reach contract terms. The Seahawks, coached by Jim Mora, Dunn’s former coach in Atlanta, are among several teams that have called gauging Dunn’s interest and conditioning.

Those talks have been nothing more than exploratory, the source said. Dunn, 34, was released by Tampa Bay after last season.

– Steve Wyche

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/dunn-weigh...-return-to-nfl/

 
seahawk 17 said:
Knobs said:
When did Seattle call Dunn?

I'm liking this karmarooster fellow.
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Dunn weighing options on return to NFL Posted: August 18th, 2009 | Steve Wyche | Tags: Jim Mora, Philadelphia Eagles, Seattle Seahawks, Steve Wyche, Warrick Dunn

Veteran free agent RB Warrick Dunn has had teams reach out to him– including the Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks — however, he is awaiting further options before deciding on a return to the NFL.

A source close to Dunn said discussions with the Eagles never materialized because of an inability to reach contract terms. The Seahawks, coached by Jim Mora, Dunn's former coach in Atlanta, are among several teams that have called gauging Dunn's interest and conditioning.

Those talks have been nothing more than exploratory, the source said. Dunn, 34, was released by Tampa Bay after last season.

– Steve Wyche

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/18/dunn-weigh...-return-to-nfl/
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Does anyone know what Edge is doing?
 
I don't blame the folks that just aren't sold on his talent, and that is why he is falling so far in drafts. Generally, if you haven't produced in three or four years, you aren't going to. I've made that argument on numerous occasions.

Still, I have a hard time passing on the guy where he is going. He's just well worth the (very substantial) risk to me. Part of it is that frankly he didn't look bad at all when he was in the game last year. Early on, he was in the top 10. Obviously, that didn't last, but the main reason was Morris, who is no longer in the picture.

An while opportunity may be lower on the totem pole than talent, it is relevant. Anthony Thomas never had a lot of talent, but he put up some good numbers one year, because there was really no one else, and the team was well set up for him. Heck, Julius himself was pretty good for a stretch in Dallas for the same reason. His big bro Thomas Jones is doing well mostly because of his situation as well. He has SOME talent (maybe more than Julius), but he definitely needed the RIGHT situation before he produced numbers. Reuben Droughns ran for 1200 yards one year in CLEVELAND. Rudi Johnson was a STUD at one point, but was never really all that talented IMO. And on and on.

I'm out though, I've spent all my ammo in this discussion.

 
Julius Jones is a player I am strugging to get behind in 2009. I mean, his situation is a pretty good one, but he hasn't produced as he should have in the last few years in the same exact system. Granted, last year wasn't the most ideal with Hasselbeck getting hurt. Jones has to seriously step up this year in a weak division and really take this job by the scruff of the neck.

 
If you can't get him late like 100+ pick I'd take the flier and expect to cut him in a few weeks as other needs arise.

My concerns:

He never established himself as a threat in Dallas when given the opportunity, and this was with a better O line in Dallas than he has now.

He had some decent games last year but struggled to find the end zone and ended up in Coach Mike's dog house.

He is in a new scheme this year. Not that its an adjustment for him, but his O line has to learn and pick it up. That takes time which will hurt JJ's numbers.

O line is a big question mark this year, arguably the weakest part of the Seahawk team. Today, sports radio in Seattle was reporting that Walter Jones had

his knee scoped this morning. Probably meaning he will miss a few games (commentary opinion, not reported as fact). They need a health Walter Jones.

If the line does struggle, I then have concerns for Hasselback and his health. If Hasselback goes down, that in turn will affect JJ’s numbers.

Final reason, I'm a Seahawk hater.

 
davlar said:
Julius Jones is a player I am strugging to get behind in 2009. I mean, his situation is a pretty good one, but he hasn't produced as he should have in the last few years in the same exact system. Granted, last year wasn't the most ideal with Hasselbeck getting hurt. Jones has to seriously step up this year in a weak division and really take this job by the scruff of the neck.
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They have a new HC and OC. Mora and Knapp have traditionally loved to run the football and been successful in the running game. Who knows how it'll pan out, but it's reasonable to think the running game will have more of an emphasis now, and possibly be more effective (esp. with a far easier schedule).All that said, no one can blame anyone for not getting behind JJ. The vast majority of people aren't.

 
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