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Johnny Knox & Devin Aromashodu, WRs, Chicago Bears (1 Viewer)

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Knox: very little inland other then speed and decent hands. Early words are good from Martz so there is reason to believe a 1 k season is in reach. I think something in the 850 range is believable

85 t, 61, 850 and 6

 
Sounding like Knox is going to be the main guy. It could change though, which is worrisome. Maybe I'm just a hopeful Knox dynasty owner, but I'll say:

Knox: 74/1110/8

Aromashodu: 38/500/4

 
I'm a little surprised to see Knox and Aromashodu in the same spotlight thread. I guess the Aromashodu hype train had just enough momentum left to warrant this because all signs point to Aromashodu being the odd man out. Hester and Knox appear to be in line to start. Both of them seem to fit the part of a WR in the Martz offense. Quick mid-sized receivers. Of the lot, my money is on Hester to be the one worth owning, but it wouldn't surprise me if Knox beats him out. Picking the WR to emerge in a Martz system is at least 50% luck. But there should be enough passes to go around. Two WR could easily be fantasy starting lineup worthy players (WR36 or better). I don't know where to find a good historical breakdown, but in 2007 the Detroit WR caught 268 passes. I wish I could find the 2005 (pre-Martz) numbers in addition to the 2006 (his first season there) numbers. In SF, the year before he got there (2007) the WR caught only 117 passes. In 2008 they caught 185. The TE number went down from 73 to 46. In 2007, the Lions' TEs caught only 28 passes. I'm noticing the staff projections show very mild changes in those directions for Chicago. That's disappointing as this seems quite obvious. Last year there were 185 WR rec and 88 TE rec. Jason Wood is the only guy projecting this bump I'm speaking of in the WR rec total at 227. Chicago has two talented guys at TE, but I won't be surprised if their receptions drop below Wood's projected 63. That is all to say, ~230 WR receptions should be enough to feed several guys. Early reports make it sound like Hester and Knox will be the main beneficiaries. I think Bennett could just as easily be the guy who gets the 3rd WR looks as Aromashodu is. I'm not saying what he (Aroma) did at the end of the year wasn't impressive, but Martz doesn't care. If he likes a guy and the guy "gets" the system, it's on regardless of how popular the guy being benched is. But this is all very early. If anyone falls out of favor and someone else steps up, all bets are off. It'll be time to re-evaluate.

If everyone stays healthy for 16 games:

Hester: 90 rec x 13 ypr = 1170 yds 8 TD

Knox: 75 rec x 12 yrs = 900 yds 6 TD

Bennett: 40 rec x 12 ypr = 480 yds 3 TD

Aromashodu: 25 rec x 12 ypr = 400 yds 2 TD
See, that's just it. I agree with you that Hester is the WR1 and Knox appears to be the other starter. Yet, thus far this preseason, Aromashodu is going BEFORE Hester in a majority of drafts. That baffles me. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/a...ortby=consensus

 
See, that's just it. I agree with you that Hester is the WR1 and Knox appears to be the other starter. Yet, thus far this preseason, Aromashodu is going BEFORE Hester in a majority of drafts. That baffles me.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/a...ortby=consensus
:unsure: I know it's only a small sample size, but Aromashodu's hands looked really good when Cutler was locking in on him in those final few games, especially one of those TD catches in the corner of the endzone (against the Packers IIRC?)I guess that's still fresh in the memory of many out there.

 
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I've said this over and over again.

As a Bears fan....put all 5 WR's in a hat and pick one out and you never know who will thrive.

Hester-I personally think he should return full time and play WR part time.

Knox-Showed signs of hope as a rookie and stopped on routes that caused INT's

DA-Bounced around the NFL and had a couple of good games. Former 4* recruit from Auburn as well.

Bennett-Nothing his rookie year....54/717 in his sophomore campaign.

Iglesias-Nothing his rookie year....former 3rd round pick.....could he turn in an Earl Bennett type second season???

If I had to guess....I would say DA and Knox on the outside with Hester/Bennett/Iglesias fighting it out for the other playing time.

 
Cutler loves Aromashodu - they click
Kind of like Earl Bennett and Cutler were going to fit like gloves because of their Vandy connection?One thing is clear, the offense as we saw it last year WON'T resemble the offense we see this year under Martz. And Martz isn't known for playing games with the media. He's running Hester and Knox as the 1s so far and given zero indication he intends to veer away from that. Meanwhile Hester and Knox are perfect fits for Martz' style. I'm not saying Aromashodu won't be 'the guy' but I'm saying that would require a change of the status quo, yet the ADP has people thinking Aromashodu is the breakout star of the group. I'm not seeing it :pickle:
 
Cutler loves Aromashodu - they click
Kind of like Earl Bennett and Cutler were going to fit like gloves because of their Vandy connection?One thing is clear, the offense as we saw it last year WON'T resemble the offense we see this year under Martz. And Martz isn't known for playing games with the media. He's running Hester and Knox as the 1s so far and given zero indication he intends to veer away from that. Meanwhile Hester and Knox are perfect fits for Martz' style. I'm not saying Aromashodu won't be 'the guy' but I'm saying that would require a change of the status quo, yet the ADP has people thinking Aromashodu is the breakout star of the group. I'm not seeing it :goodposting:
I'm not either. I've maintained all winter long that Hester was being shamefully overlooked. His progress as a WR has been nothing short of impressive. It's almost as if his outstanding return ability has blinded a lot of folks to the rest of his talents.Between Knox and Aroma...I like Knox for the #2 role.
 
Why is Bennett not being talked about?
Because he's not getting meaningful reps or run from Martz. Bennett's season totals were just shy of Hester's last year, and he started 15 games, so I agree he shouldn't be completely counted out. But his role declined as the season wore on, and there were continued reports that he simply couldn't grasp the offensive playbook which led to frustration from coaches and Cutler. Given the complexity of Martz' system, it's hard to imagine he'll get big time work if he couldn't handle Ron Turner's offense.
 
Why is Bennett not being talked about?
Because he's not getting meaningful reps or run from Martz. Bennett's season totals were just shy of Hester's last year, and he started 15 games, so I agree he shouldn't be completely counted out. But his role declined as the season wore on, and there were continued reports that he simply couldn't grasp the offensive playbook which led to frustration from coaches and Cutler. Given the complexity of Martz' system, it's hard to imagine he'll get big time work if he couldn't handle Ron Turner's offense.
Bennett did have the best catch % and the most broken tackles of Bears WRs last year however.He did get injured which set him back in OTA's as well.
 
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In the first half of the season Hester was easily the most productive WR on the team. He was on pace for over 80 catches and almost 1100 yards. His 13.3 ypr led the team. And you want to relegate him to part time?
His competition was two rookies.....a former 7th round pick that has bounced around the league...and a second year 3rd round pick. It's safe to say that group should all be getting better and developing.....Hester meanwhile is 27....has had difficultly learning a position not only in the NFL but also in college.
 
Why is Bennett not being talked about?
Because he's not getting meaningful reps or run from Martz. Bennett's season totals were just shy of Hester's last year, and he started 15 games, so I agree he shouldn't be completely counted out. But his role declined as the season wore on, and there were continued reports that he simply couldn't grasp the offensive playbook which led to frustration from coaches and Cutler. Given the complexity of Martz' system, it's hard to imagine he'll get big time work if he couldn't handle Ron Turner's offense.
Bennett has been recovering from surgery, which explains the meaningful reps issue. As far as the complexities of the playbook, that was his rookie year when they had him learning all 3 WR roles at the same time. I suppose the counterpoint to that, as far as I understand, is that they are doing that again with him this year. He is the most polished WR on the team. I think Hester will have the most difficulty picking up Martz's offense based on his history as a WR. Cutler lobbied for Aromashodu all last season, and force-fed him the ball when he finally got his wish. Knox's production dipped as the season progressed. I have a tough time pegging who will be the top 2 in this offense, so I will reserve judgment until preseason. I personally like Bennett the most as a WR, but I am not sure how well he fits the system. Hester has progressed as a WR, but he is still raw, and has been slow to pick up offenses in the past. Aromashodu seems to be Cutler's favorite, but I can't get past the fact that there is a reason he has not really caught on anywhere. Knox was a pleasant surprise early in the season, but really regressed towards the end of the season. They all have pros and cons, not to mention Iglesias may come into play somehow.
 
personally I just don't think Hester is that good of a WR:

Receiving Rushing

Season Rec Yds TD Tgt Att Yds TD Fum Lost

2009 57 757 3 91 6 -1 1

2008 52 665 3 92 5 61 2

2007 20 299 2 7 -10 1

the reason DA may be going before Hester is that people are taking a look at potential and gambling that what we saw at the end of last year from DA is what we could easily see in the future.....more upside.....whereas Hester has shown that while he did improve, he really is a bigger asset in the return game than at WR......the numbers he has posted at WR are not that impressive.....I think he gets cut some slack because of his speed, but bottom line is that the numbers you get from him are middle of the pack.....whereas if what we saw at the end of last year from DA continues, those numbers would put him in the upper range of WR's.....

I guess at the point of a draft where I would maybe think about taking Hester or DA, I might lean to taking a chance on DA as opposed to Hester...

these comments don't really take into account the Martz factor, which I really have no idea how that changes things....it seems that most think it hurts DA and helps all the others because we have this vision in our head of little WR's running around everywhere......not sure if that is exactly what will be happening in CHI, if DA has the skills he showed at the end of last year, not sure why they wouldn't use him somehow in the system.....he just looks like a playmaker......

 
Anything showing up in training camp to resolve this?
According to the Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs, Johnny Knox is emerging as the Bears' No. 1 receiver in training camp.Knox's Average Draft Position is rising rapidly, so he's losing true "sleeper" appeal in fantasy leagues. It's for good reason. The speedster has been heavily targeted on a daily basis by Jay Cutler. 1,000 receiving yards are within reach for Knox in new Bears OC Mike Martz's up-tempo offense. To get him, you'll probably have to grab Knox before the ninth round at this point.Source: Brad Biggs on Twitter
According to the Chicago Tribune's Brad Biggs, Devin Hester has been Jay Cutler's "second favorite target" so far in camp.Behind Johnny Knox. Hester is also keeping his punt return duties, and playing on special teams last year seemed to affect his effectiveness on offense. He's worth a mid-round fantasy pick, but don't expect a breakout year.Source: Brad Biggs on Twitter
As expected, Devin Aromashodu is working as the Bears' No. 3 receiver in training camp.He enters the lineup in three-receiver sets. Beat writer Brad Biggs believes OC Mike Martz is "sorting through his options." Aromashodu hasn't failed to stand out in practice, but lacks as much fantasy upside as Johnny Knox. Source: Brad Biggs on Twitter
That's how it stands now, and I think that's probably about how it's going to pan out. None of these guys are new players. Martz has had plenty of time to look at tape and observe in OTAs and now TC. I think Hester and Knox will start, with Aromashodu coming in on 3 wide sets, as suggested here. As far as ball distribution, though, I would expect it to be somewhat unpredictable. I'm thinking Knox and Hester will get a similar number of targets, with Aromashodu trailing, and all three of them having at least a few big games.I doubt any of these guys end up being a reliable WR2 in fantasy leagues. I could see Knox or Hester as WR3s.
 
I've been a Knox fan dating back to last year. Great hands, great speed and runs good routes...he's small but so was Tory Holt. I think he's got a real good chance to be a top 20 wr if a few things break right and so far everything looks to be breaking right.

 
What round are you willing to take Knox in ?

I'm thinking if you don't pull the trigger in the 7th you won't get him and if he shows well in pre-season

he could even move up higher.

 
I really don't think we have any clue yet. People are jumping on the Knox and Hester bandwagons because they are getting most reps as starters so far, but Martz hasn't even seen any of these receivers in real action running his offense. Do you really think he will make a decision based on watching tape of what they did in the past, especially considering how young and inexperienced they are? Bennett being hurt during off season workouts also set him back but that doesn't mean he can't catch up, and I wouldn't give up on Aromashodu either. The good money is to get whichever one of these guys you can get latest--it's like a lottery ticket. You don't want to spend a lot of money on a lottery ticket because it is in fact a lottery ticket. But you can't win if you don't have a lottery ticket and there is a good chance someone wins with one or maybe two of these players.

 
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I happily took Knox in the 12th round of a dynasty start up about 3 weeks ago. Glad that draft happened then and not now.

 
What round are you willing to take Knox in ?I'm thinking if you don't pull the trigger in the 7th you won't get him and if he shows well in pre-seasonhe could even move up higher.
Had a draft last night for the FPC, and took Knox at the 6/7 turn. I was fairly certain he wouldn't make it back for the 8/9 turn, and that looks like it was correct because Hester went later in the 7th. Aromashadu lasted till the 10th round.When I drafted Knox, the following WRs were still on the board and went in the next round or so: Mike WallaceVJaxTOS.MossDezI think going forward, Knox will be the first Bear WR drafted in leagues with sharp owners. Earlier in the summer, he was probably the 3rd.
 
I finished up the Spotlight article yesterday and it will go up tomorrow. I can tell you that I'm REALLY not buying Aromashodu on any level. He had a good month, which was really a great overtime game (21+ yards per catch) and then three other games where he averaged less than 10 yards per grab. He's a 26 year old journeyman who is already on his 3rd team after failing to hold a roster spot in Indy or Miami, and he's been running with the 2nd team from OTAs through mini-camp and well into training camp.

Now if Knox or Hester get hurt? Sure, I can see Aroma being compelling. But assuming they're all healthy...I'm not buying what he's selling and just hope that fantasy owners keep drafting him first so I can grab one of the other guys.

 
I don't get this new anit-hype on DA. Hester, Knox and DA have all shown signs of being great and also signs of failures. Hester scored only 3 TDs in the first 10 games last year. Knox started the season on fire but was below average in the last 8 games. DA got his shot at the last 4 weeks of the season and scored 3 TDs with good total yardage. People point to the Baltimore game where he put up 2/10 as if he sucked against a good team, but none of the WRs had even a decent game that day. He is 26 and I don't put alot of stock in his past with Miami and INDY. He still is young and looked good last year.

With Martz there, new offensive, there is definitely some uncertainty, but if we look at last year's performace, how could you not think DA would be the leader this year?

Training camp hype = hype. Yes, he is running as WR3 for now, but the hype is he will be the big red zone target (sorry no link, but again its all hype right now). I can't get a real good gauge on Hester, but it seems like the league figured Knox out last year. DA had opportunity in 4 games and made the most of it.

 
I don't get this new anit-hype on DA. Hester, Knox and DA have all shown signs of being great and also signs of failures. Hester scored only 3 TDs in the first 10 games last year. Knox started the season on fire but was below average in the last 8 games. DA got his shot at the last 4 weeks of the season and scored 3 TDs with good total yardage. People point to the Baltimore game where he put up 2/10 as if he sucked against a good team, but none of the WRs had even a decent game that day. He is 26 and I don't put alot of stock in his past with Miami and INDY. He still is young and looked good last year.With Martz there, new offensive, there is definitely some uncertainty, but if we look at last year's performace, how could you not think DA would be the leader this year?Training camp hype = hype. Yes, he is running as WR3 for now, but the hype is he will be the big red zone target (sorry no link, but again its all hype right now). I can't get a real good gauge on Hester, but it seems like the league figured Knox out last year. DA had opportunity in 4 games and made the most of it.
Martz isn't playing head games with him. Hester and Knox are 1 and 2 (not necessarily in that order), and Aroma is 3. Can this change? Sure, but unless Knox or Hester get hurt or crater this looks to be the depth chart.
 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :shrug:

 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :shrug:
Knox has a much higher upside (especially in that offense). He can be scary good with more experience. I do like Aromashodu & would flip-flop him & Hester if I were Martz, but Knox will the guy to have, IMO (especially in dynasty leagues).
 
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Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :lol:
Give me a break. :D
 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :lmao:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :lmao:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.

 
"The Chicago Bears WR with the least amount of career snaps will always be considered the most talented WR on the team. This also applies to QBs- but only after 3 consecutive losing seasons."

Buehner's Inverse Law of Bears Talent vs Experience.

 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :lmao:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.
Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.
 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :thumbup:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.
Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.
2006 Lions had:

MIKE (!&%^!) FURREY with 98/1086/6TD

Roy E. Williams (YES) with 82/1310/7

Hakim, Bradford, & Mike Williams combined for about 400.

Combined ~2700 yards.

2007 Lions had (with some injuries mixed in...):

Shaun (!&%^!) McDonald 79/943/6

Roy E. Williams 64/838/5

Furrey 61/664/1

Calvin Johnson 48/756/4

Combined: ~3000 yards.

Both years Kitna (with a few games of JT O'Sullivan) went for just about 4200+ & 19-21 TD's.

I just had my first draft and took Knox and Aromashodu. What is not to like about this potential in this system, with a better QB (yes Cutler has his obvious flaws but he's better than Kitna?) & 3 WR's better than oh say 5 of the top 6 producers above?

 
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Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :blush:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.
Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.
2006 Lions had:

MIKE (!&%^!) FURREY with 98/1086/6TD

Roy E. Williams (YES) with 82/1310/7

Hakim, Bradford, & Mike Williams combined for about 400.

Combined ~2700 yards.

2007 Lions had (with some injuries mixed in...):

Shaun (!&%^!) McDonald 79/943/6

Roy E. Williams 64/838/5

Furrey 61/664/1

Calvin Johnson 48/756/4

Combined: ~3000 yards.

Both years Kitna (with a few games of JT O'Sullivan) went for just about 4200+ & 19-21 TD's.

I just had my first draft and took Knox and Aromashodu. What is not to like about this potential in this system, with a better QB (yes Cutler has his obvious flaws but he's better than Kitna?) & 3 WR's better than oh say 5 of the top 6 producers above?
I am not sure that Cutler is better than Kitna. Kitna was a very underrated QB. The players that emerged in Detroit were not the ones people imagined would emerge: Furrey, a converted FS, and Shaun McDonald. I would be interested in hearing from Detroit observers how they would describe the skills and abilities of Furrey and McDonald. Which Chicago player most resembles them?

However, my gut feeling is that it is going to be difficult to predict which CHI WR will be worth owning in 2010.

 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :thumbup:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.
Dude.
Gbolahan Devin Aromashodu (born May 23, 1984 in Miami, Florida) is an American-football wide receiver for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League. He was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the seventh round of the 2006 NFL Draft.[1] He played college football at Auburn.[2] Aromashodu has also been a member of the Indianapolis Colts, Houston Texans and Washington Redskins.
IF five teams in five years is not the epitome of NFL journeyman, please tell me what is.
 
Aromashodu is the best WR on the Bears. It doesn't matter who's the split end, who's the flanker, and who's in the slot. The slot can lead the team in receptions in a Mike Martz offense (see: Mike Furrey, 2006).

Knox and Hester both have more big-play ability. But Aromashodu runs the best patterns and has the best hands. He's going to be Cutler's security blanket. Mark it down. :thumbup:
Knox has way more upside and has accomplished just as much in the NFL. Aromashodu is the epitome of NFL journeyman.
Far from it.
Ok, debate otherwise then. His career is that of a journeyman NFL player and he's not an overly skilled WR.
Ok, lets look at the definition of journeyman:"any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer."

He had 22 receptions for 282 yards and 4 tds his last 4 games of last year. 2009 was his first chance at actually playing in an NFL regular season game. He shined when he was given the chance to. That many receptions in a 4 game period shows that Cutler had the confidence in him to keep throwing it his way. He's 26, an age when WRs are proven to hit their primes.

He has prototype size for a NFL WR. Take a look at the beginning of Joe Horn's career, a very comparable player.

Joe Horn had 53 catches for 879 yards his first four years in the NFL, only to develop into a 4 time pro bowler with the Saints. Of course this isn't the norm, but prototype size and speed is the first thing I look at when evaluating whether or not a WR can shine, Devin has this and now he has the opportunity in a Mike Martz system.

Writing Aromashodu off as a journeyman at the age of 26 is your loss.

 
2006 Lions had:

MIKE (!&%^!) FURREY with 98/1086/6TD

Roy E. Williams (YES) with 82/1310/7

Hakim, Bradford, & Mike Williams combined for about 400.

Combined ~2700 yards.

2007 Lions had (with some injuries mixed in...):

Shaun (!&%^!) McDonald 79/943/6

Roy E. Williams 64/838/5

Furrey 61/664/1

Calvin Johnson 48/756/4

Combined: ~3000 yards.

Both years Kitna (with a few games of JT O'Sullivan) went for just about 4200+ & 19-21 TD's.

I just had my first draft and took Knox and Aromashodu. What is not to like about this potential in this system, with a better QB (yes Cutler has his obvious flaws but he's better than Kitna?) & 3 WR's better than oh say 5 of the top 6 producers above?
I am not sure that Cutler is better than Kitna. Kitna was a very underrated QB. The players that emerged in Detroit were not the ones people imagined would emerge: Furrey, a converted FS, and Shaun McDonald. I would be interested in hearing from Detroit observers how they would describe the skills and abilities of Furrey and McDonald. Which Chicago player most resembles them?

However, my gut feeling is that it is going to be difficult to predict which CHI WR will be worth owning in 2010.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately, and the answer I keep coming back to is Earl Bennett. Because more than anything, Furrey in '06 and McDonald in '07 were not who you expected to be productive - each were like the 4th/5th name that popped into your head.
 
2006 Lions had:

MIKE (!&%^!) FURREY with 98/1086/6TD

Roy E. Williams (YES) with 82/1310/7

Hakim, Bradford, & Mike Williams combined for about 400.

Combined ~2700 yards.

2007 Lions had (with some injuries mixed in...):

Shaun (!&%^!) McDonald 79/943/6

Roy E. Williams 64/838/5

Furrey 61/664/1

Calvin Johnson 48/756/4

Combined: ~3000 yards.

Both years Kitna (with a few games of JT O'Sullivan) went for just about 4200+ & 19-21 TD's.

I just had my first draft and took Knox and Aromashodu. What is not to like about this potential in this system, with a better QB (yes Cutler has his obvious flaws but he's better than Kitna?) & 3 WR's better than oh say 5 of the top 6 producers above?
I am not sure that Cutler is better than Kitna. Kitna was a very underrated QB. The players that emerged in Detroit were not the ones people imagined would emerge: Furrey, a converted FS, and Shaun McDonald. I would be interested in hearing from Detroit observers how they would describe the skills and abilities of Furrey and McDonald. Which Chicago player most resembles them?

However, my gut feeling is that it is going to be difficult to predict which CHI WR will be worth owning in 2010.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately, and the answer I keep coming back to is Earl Bennett. Because more than anything, Furrey in '06 and McDonald in '07 were not who you expected to be productive - each were like the 4th/5th name that popped into your head.
This is my thought too, although i don't really recall what type of players Furrey and McDonald were. But Bennett seems so far behind because of off season injury it is hard to envision him emerging at this point.
 
2006 Lions had:

MIKE (!&%^!) FURREY with 98/1086/6TD

Roy E. Williams (YES) with 82/1310/7

Hakim, Bradford, & Mike Williams combined for about 400.

Combined ~2700 yards.

2007 Lions had (with some injuries mixed in...):

Shaun (!&%^!) McDonald 79/943/6

Roy E. Williams 64/838/5

Furrey 61/664/1

Calvin Johnson 48/756/4

Combined: ~3000 yards.

Both years Kitna (with a few games of JT O'Sullivan) went for just about 4200+ & 19-21 TD's.

I just had my first draft and took Knox and Aromashodu. What is not to like about this potential in this system, with a better QB (yes Cutler has his obvious flaws but he's better than Kitna?) & 3 WR's better than oh say 5 of the top 6 producers above?
I am not sure that Cutler is better than Kitna. Kitna was a very underrated QB. The players that emerged in Detroit were not the ones people imagined would emerge: Furrey, a converted FS, and Shaun McDonald. I would be interested in hearing from Detroit observers how they would describe the skills and abilities of Furrey and McDonald. Which Chicago player most resembles them?

However, my gut feeling is that it is going to be difficult to predict which CHI WR will be worth owning in 2010.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately, and the answer I keep coming back to is Earl Bennett. Because more than anything, Furrey in '06 and McDonald in '07 were not who you expected to be productive - each were like the 4th/5th name that popped into your head.
This is my thought too, although i don't really recall what type of players Furrey and McDonald were. But Bennett seems so far behind because of off season injury it is hard to envision him emerging at this point.
Furrey was already converted to safety before becoming a featured WR in Martz's offense.
 
I've said this over and over again.As a Bears fan....put all 5 WR's in a hat and pick one out and you never know who will thrive.Hester-I personally think he should return full time and play WR part time.Knox-Showed signs of hope as a rookie and stopped on routes that caused INT'sDA-Bounced around the NFL and had a couple of good games. Former 4* recruit from Auburn as well.Bennett-Nothing his rookie year....54/717 in his sophomore campaign.Iglesias-Nothing his rookie year....former 3rd round pick.....could he turn in an Earl Bennett type second season???If I had to guess....I would say DA and Knox on the outside with Hester/Bennett/Iglesias fighting it out for the other playing time.
Yes, your keen insight into the Bears' personnel is made clear by your screen name. I had never noticed your join date. I really thought you were a Cincy fan from that name.In the first half of the season Hester was easily the most productive WR on the team. He was on pace for over 80 catches and almost 1100 yards. His 13.3 ypr led the team. And you want to relegate him to part time?
And you Hester putting up 90 receptions and 8 TDs?Based on what?I just don't seem him coming close to that...ever.
 
That was tongue-in-cheek, az_prof...I think the answer is none of the above because they will spread it around with different guys getting double digit targets week to week.

The Lions had RoY in Martz first year (at the time, still seen as a riser), and Megatron in Year two. Those guys on the outside tied up coverages, and Kitna's read was often to the slot guy. Not sure that Cutler will be going through the same kind of progression. Plus Olsen is way more talented than anyone the Lions had at the time (Pollard?).

 
That was tongue-in-cheek, az_prof...I think the answer is none of the above because they will spread it around with different guys getting double digit targets week to week.

The Lions had RoY in Martz first year (at the time, still seen as a riser), and Megatron in Year two. Those guys on the outside tied up coverages, and Kitna's read was often to the slot guy. Not sure that Cutler will be going through the same kind of progression. Plus Olsen is way more talented than anyone the Lions had at the time (Pollard?).
Has Martz EVER made use of a talented tight end? I'm not factoring in TE production until I see Martz actually use one. Olsen is a nice player, but if Martz couldn't use Vernon Davis in the passing game, is he really likely to use Olsen?
 
That was tongue-in-cheek, az_prof...I think the answer is none of the above because they will spread it around with different guys getting double digit targets week to week.

The Lions had RoY in Martz first year (at the time, still seen as a riser), and Megatron in Year two. Those guys on the outside tied up coverages, and Kitna's read was often to the slot guy. Not sure that Cutler will be going through the same kind of progression. Plus Olsen is way more talented than anyone the Lions had at the time (Pollard?).
Has Martz EVER made use of a talented tight end? I'm not factoring in TE production until I see Martz actually use one. Olsen is a nice player, but if Martz couldn't use Vernon Davis in the passing game, is he really likely to use Olsen?
:shrug: TE's have never been incorporated well into a Martz passing game.

 

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