chris1969
Footballguy
http://www.sendmefile.com/00558889
Use this as you wish, I was planning on putting a little more into this, but I was hoping for more feedback from the shark pool. Instead of getting enough sharks to give me help and their own rankings or observations on players that I might not have seen enough tape on though, I mostly got comments like your ranking of this guy and this line sucks with out much to back it up. I then decided to throw out my scouting reports where I was trying to rank objectively and put out a ranking that is totally subjective on my part and give you guys the tools to manipulate it. I ask only that if you do modify it, that you post a link for everyone else to have access to your work in this thread and also if you feel up to it, a little commentary about what you did and why. If this works well and a lot of people submit input I will try and post a team by team article about my own observations and how I modified them based on your input, and will do a second version next year when I can put a little more time in scouting. I figure if I give you the spreadsheet, that instead of telling me that this guy should be in the top 5, you'll show me who he's bumping out of the top 5. It would then be great if you could add some commentary so I could understand your reasoning. Also I'm asking that once you see the tool you give me some more ideas on how to use it and also other things that you'd like to see added to the ranking tool. What I was thinking was that the next step would be to rate every teams Defensive front 7's. Then you could pinpoint things that don't always show up in the stats. For instance your RB is a strong outside runner, but weak up the middle. He has average tackles but his line is strong up the middle. You can look at how the other team's DT's compare to his guards to figure out if the middle is going to be opened up in this game. I'd also like to get it to the point to rank the depth players individually at this point, though, I don't see how this can be feasible. It's too hard to rank a guy that doesn't play much, but if you can get to that point, it would help you figure out how much that starting LT going down is going to effect your QB. Enough blabbering on what to use it for. I got a thousand more things, and bet you guys can come up with a thousand more. I'll now explain the rankings...
First I started with listing the 5 guys most likely to be starters and the top 3 depth guys. Next I rated the starters overall subjectively and broke it into a run and pass grade. Age is based on the players age when I did the ranking.
I'm pretty sure everybody is updated up to a few days ago, but I may have missed a birthday. For Exp I just put the year that the player is currently in. Coh is for cohesion. If the player was a starter in the same position last year he gets a 1, if not he gets a 0. ADI is for Ascending, Descending, or Idle. Players get a 1, -1 or 0 respectively. Inj is a rating for injury. 33 and 34 year olds get a rating of 1, 35 and 36 yrs get a rating of 2, and 37 and 38 yr olds get a 3. A player gets a point added to that rating if he missed a game last year for injury or conduct. Same thing for 2005. Pbwls is just the # of Pro Bowls a player has been in but I really don't use it as part of my rating, but more of like a reality check. Rawrnk is just an average rating for the starters. Rawrun is the avg run grade and Rawpass is the avg pass grade. Depth is a 1 to 32 rank that is basically my opinion of the top 3 bench players. The team EXP grade is the number of players in season 5 or more. Team cohesion is a sum of player Coh grades, and the same for team ADI and injury risk. The final rank = rawrnk - (Exp * 0.1) - (Cohesion + ADI *.02) + (depth * 0.1) + (Injury risk * 0.1) I would absolutely love to get alot of feedback on that equation!!!!
Some of you may not want to adjust the rankings and that's fine. If your better at analyzing the grading the system just post your comments. Anything that makes this better is good. The whole point of this is to give everybody something that they haven't gotten before. If you can think of an unique way of adding to it, please do so.
Thanks to all ahead of time. I'm sure we can turn this into something good.
Updated version that includes FFO data http://www.sendmefile.com/00568035
Use this as you wish, I was planning on putting a little more into this, but I was hoping for more feedback from the shark pool. Instead of getting enough sharks to give me help and their own rankings or observations on players that I might not have seen enough tape on though, I mostly got comments like your ranking of this guy and this line sucks with out much to back it up. I then decided to throw out my scouting reports where I was trying to rank objectively and put out a ranking that is totally subjective on my part and give you guys the tools to manipulate it. I ask only that if you do modify it, that you post a link for everyone else to have access to your work in this thread and also if you feel up to it, a little commentary about what you did and why. If this works well and a lot of people submit input I will try and post a team by team article about my own observations and how I modified them based on your input, and will do a second version next year when I can put a little more time in scouting. I figure if I give you the spreadsheet, that instead of telling me that this guy should be in the top 5, you'll show me who he's bumping out of the top 5. It would then be great if you could add some commentary so I could understand your reasoning. Also I'm asking that once you see the tool you give me some more ideas on how to use it and also other things that you'd like to see added to the ranking tool. What I was thinking was that the next step would be to rate every teams Defensive front 7's. Then you could pinpoint things that don't always show up in the stats. For instance your RB is a strong outside runner, but weak up the middle. He has average tackles but his line is strong up the middle. You can look at how the other team's DT's compare to his guards to figure out if the middle is going to be opened up in this game. I'd also like to get it to the point to rank the depth players individually at this point, though, I don't see how this can be feasible. It's too hard to rank a guy that doesn't play much, but if you can get to that point, it would help you figure out how much that starting LT going down is going to effect your QB. Enough blabbering on what to use it for. I got a thousand more things, and bet you guys can come up with a thousand more. I'll now explain the rankings...
First I started with listing the 5 guys most likely to be starters and the top 3 depth guys. Next I rated the starters overall subjectively and broke it into a run and pass grade. Age is based on the players age when I did the ranking.
I'm pretty sure everybody is updated up to a few days ago, but I may have missed a birthday. For Exp I just put the year that the player is currently in. Coh is for cohesion. If the player was a starter in the same position last year he gets a 1, if not he gets a 0. ADI is for Ascending, Descending, or Idle. Players get a 1, -1 or 0 respectively. Inj is a rating for injury. 33 and 34 year olds get a rating of 1, 35 and 36 yrs get a rating of 2, and 37 and 38 yr olds get a 3. A player gets a point added to that rating if he missed a game last year for injury or conduct. Same thing for 2005. Pbwls is just the # of Pro Bowls a player has been in but I really don't use it as part of my rating, but more of like a reality check. Rawrnk is just an average rating for the starters. Rawrun is the avg run grade and Rawpass is the avg pass grade. Depth is a 1 to 32 rank that is basically my opinion of the top 3 bench players. The team EXP grade is the number of players in season 5 or more. Team cohesion is a sum of player Coh grades, and the same for team ADI and injury risk. The final rank = rawrnk - (Exp * 0.1) - (Cohesion + ADI *.02) + (depth * 0.1) + (Injury risk * 0.1) I would absolutely love to get alot of feedback on that equation!!!!
Some of you may not want to adjust the rankings and that's fine. If your better at analyzing the grading the system just post your comments. Anything that makes this better is good. The whole point of this is to give everybody something that they haven't gotten before. If you can think of an unique way of adding to it, please do so.
Thanks to all ahead of time. I'm sure we can turn this into something good.
Updated version that includes FFO data http://www.sendmefile.com/00568035
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. Next realilize that Joe Thomas, the guy that is in the most important position on that offensive line is not figured into that equation. As a safeguard, the Browns on paper look great even if Thomas sat out the entire season. Tackles weren't the problem last year, it was the guards. But since I'm on the subject, some of the other guys not rated could really increase the team rating. The one that comes to mind most is Levi Brown. So look at the results closely. Numbers always lie and it's up to you to find the lies in the stats.
), Spitz moved from RG to LG and the backup Tony Moll came in at RG. It was the first time since the merger (1970) that 3 ROOKIES played for Green Bay on the offensive line, and the Packers rushed for 155 yards and Spitz made a block on Zach Thomas that helped Ahman Green BUST a 70 yard TD run.
), Spitz moved from RG to LG and the backup Tony Moll came in at RG. It was the first time since the merger (1970) that 3 ROOKIES played for Green Bay on the offensive line, and the Packers rushed for 155 yards and Spitz made a block on Zach Thomas that helped Ahman Green BUST a 70 yard TD run.I state this as an overall guide to illustrate how much the Packers benefited from last year's draft, when they already had competant tackles, as your ranking show. I don't feel qualified to rank all the Guards in the league as you propose, so I apologize in advance. I will assert that the question marks that Green Bay had in the interior of their offensive line, when last season started, are Vastly Improved and people should not underestimate the Packer's offensive line going forward. I'm not sure how you would quantify my observations in your rankings, but Moll (maybe show lifetime starts for the backups?) can play both guards, right tackle, and is considered to be an excellent tackle prospect. Some have proposed that Spitz move to center in Well's spot, while Moll takes the RG spot to get the best players on the field (no evidence this will actually happen).Thanks again for your efforts and though I can't rank the Packer linemen accurately against all their competition in the league, I tried to pitch in what I could muster.
could chime in.
's are waiting for Chris Smith as am I. :whoosh: 
This is the hardest thing to grade objectively and accurately given the nature of the position. I'm still gonna try to refine the process a little, but the fact is that you really don't know a guy till you've seen a lot of his pancakes or you've seen him making blocks 20 yards down field enough times.
