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gump

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Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks.

Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:

1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Last year we had a nice RB grouping in picks 25-35...RBrown, Grant, Pierre, TJones, maybe Rice on the back end if you loved him....that really worked well for a lot of us. This allowed many to draft WR and QB early, being confident that some good RB options would be there in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Anything similiar forming this season?

2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems a very likely 1st round pick with be AJohnson. RB seems pretty weak at the back half of the 2nd round. Good year to go WR-WR, if you don't get Gore? Or is SJax a worthy reach, considering the WR in Rd 2?

Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:

1.06 - AJohnson, Gore, SJax, Turner, Rodgers

2.05 - Wayne, CJ, Moss, Mendenhall, Deangelo, Peyton

3.06 - Grant, Matthews, Greene, Jennings, Colston, Desean, Romo, Brady

4.05 - Wells, PThomas, Stewart, Addai, McCoy, SRice, Boldin, Shaub, Rivers

5.06 - Felix, Jacobs, Best, SSmith, SSmith, Ocho

6.05 - Forte, RBrown, Nicks, Crabtree, Harvin, Cutler, Favre

My best mocks seem to come from RB-WR-QB (Romo or Peyton)...RB in the 4th...WR in the 5th/6th. But I haven't mock much yet.

Thoughts?

 
I'm hoping for a Gore, Roddy, Romo start from the 5 spot in my 10 team league. I think taking 1 of each position in the first 3 rounds gives the most flexibility to go BPA in rounds 4, 5, and 6.

BTW, I've done a half dozen or so mocks on fantasyfootballcalculator.com - I haven't seen Matthews or Greene available in the 3rd in any of them.

 
shredhead said:
BTW, I've done a half dozen or so mocks on fantasyfootballcalculator.com - I haven't seen Matthews or Greene available in the 3rd in any of them.
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Thanks. I used ADP from Dodd's vbd spreadsheet...but I think he's updated in the last few days. I'll look at that and FFC and edit my original post for more accurate options.
 
Here's who I gravitate towards in 12 Team PPR mocks:

1 - Gore / AJ

2 - R. White / B. Marshall / G. Jennings

3 - Colston / L. McCoy / Beanie

4 - Crabtree / J. Stewart / J. Best

5 - F. Jones / P. Harvin / J. Forsett

No matter who I go with in the 1st, I like a WR in the second. There seem to be lots of RBs with upside in later rounds.

 
This seems to be what I get from that spot:

RB/WR/QB/WR/WR/RB/RB/RB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Romo

Ochocinco

Nicks

Bradshaw

Forsett

Bush

This hinges completely on Romo. If he's not there, I'll usually chase a TE in the fifth:

RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/RB/QB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Jennings

Ochocinco

Gates

Bradshaw

Forsett

Cutler

Both plans are basically relying on a spray-and-pray approach at RB2. To me, that seems to the roster spot with the most upside this year.

 
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This seems to be what I get from that spot:

RB/WR/QB/WR/WR/RB/RB/RB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Romo

Ochocinco

Nicks

Bradshaw

Forsett

Bush

This hinges completely on Romo. If he's not there, I'll usually chase a TE in the fifth:

RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/RB/QB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Jennings

Ochocinco

Gates

Bradshaw

Forsett

Cutler

Both plans are basically relying on a spray-and-pray approach at RB2. To me, that seems to the roster spot with the most upside this year.
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Jennings in the 3rd? Maybe in a 10 teamer...I play in 12 and 14 team leagues and I'm looking at him in the 2nd.

From what I've seen, there is a major run on WRs almost every time in the early 2nd round.

Thus, taking AJ in the first allows guys like De Will, Grant and Benson to slip to the middle of the 2nd. I think they are excellent picks there.

 
Deuce said:
Jennings in the 3rd? Maybe in a 10 teamer...I play in 12 and 14 team leagues and I'm looking at him in the 2nd.From what I've seen, there is a major run on WRs almost every time in the early 2nd round.Thus, taking AJ in the first allows guys like De Will, Grant and Benson to slip to the middle of the 2nd. I think they are excellent picks there.
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Jennings has an ADP of 28, so it's quite possible he's there at 30. Either way, feel free to insert Colston (31) or Rice (37) there. I'd be fine with that.I have yet to see Williams slip to the middle of the second. Current ADP of 14. I would grab him without hesitation if he fell to me, then pass on Romo and go with my plan B moving forward. Something like:Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)Williams :lmao:Colston/RiceOchocincoGatesBradshawForsettCutler
 
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Deuce said:
Jennings in the 3rd? Maybe in a 10 teamer...I play in 12 and 14 team leagues and I'm looking at him in the 2nd.From what I've seen, there is a major run on WRs almost every time in the early 2nd round.Thus, taking AJ in the first allows guys like De Will, Grant and Benson to slip to the middle of the 2nd. I think they are excellent picks there.
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Jennings has an ADP of 28, so it's quite possible he's there at 30. Either way, feel free to insert Colston (31) or Rice (37) there. I'd be fine with that.I have yet to see Williams slip to the middle of the second. Current ADP of 14. I would grab him without hesitation if he fell to me, then pass on Romo and go with my plan B.
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I have done two mock drafts at FFC and De Will fell to 2.09 both times. Benson and Grant are there everytime...and they are very solid as well....maybe more involved in their off all around than De Will will be with a healthy Stewart
 
So no proponents of WR-WR so far....unless (maybe) Gore is gone in the first and DWill and Mendy are gone in the 2nd?

 
gump said:
So no proponents of WR-WR so far....unless (maybe) Gore is gone in the first and DWill and Mendy are gone in the 2nd?
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I mostly play in standard leagues, so I will gladly take Turner at #6, assuming that it goes all RBs. That said, I'm sure at least one owner will draft a QB in my big money league. Once Turner is gone, I'll take Andre or Randy.
 
I think first round is easiest as you take whoever is left out of CJ, AP, MJD, Rice, Gore & AJ.

Whatever I get there would determine what position I look to take in the 2nd (AJ, go RB...RB, go WR). Of course if ridiculous value represents itself, be ready to alter that and double up at a position.

Then I just look for best player available, keeping an eye on QB & TE tiers. I'd be more apt to wait on QB than TE this year after the 3rd round, but that's just me.

 
In the midst of a (albeit too early) 12 teamer, I have the 6th. 1QB, 2RB, 3WR type deal - no flex, no ppr. Usually a RB heavy league, with some more attention paid to WRs lately as the game has moved in that direction.

Gore was the first rounder.

Second round was between Ryan Matthews and Manning. This is a point every 20 yards for QBs, and somehow they also end up playing a big role as receivers dont get ppr. With that in mind I took the sure thing in Manning hoping at the worst I'd have Benson, Wells or J Charles in the third (no way they were reaching me in the 4th FYI)

Strategy paid off and Wells and Charles (and most everyone rated below them on most charts) were available. I went Wells, whom I see as a big upside opportunity, though certainly some risk (then again, at this point who didnt have risk?)

4th and 5th I knew I had to target WRS as the reliable ones were going quick. Settled for Ocho and Welker respectively.

So, after 5 rounds I had:

Manning

Gore

Wells

OchoCinco

Welker

Was fortunate to trade my 6th and 7th to move up for a late 5th rounder to grab J. Finley.

Have to say, happy with my team so far. As noted, QB's have a big role in this league because of the 1pt/20 yards along with no PPR to bolster receivers. Gore or Turner were targeted (probably preferred Turner) and had I gone Matthews in the second, I would likely have missed out on Brady (though he may have just slipped to me, but unlikely) and could have had Romo in the third. Schaub went soon thereafter.

Really a lot of flexibility in the middle of the draft. You will get a stud RB in the first, then its up to scoring, your personal preference and perhaps most of all, draft strategy in gambling on who may/may not drop. For example, had Wells been taking (don't see him lasting into the 4th in most leagues, unless its a QB/WR heavy league, and really heavy) I'd have taken Charles, but not been too ecstatic - but if I didnt take a RB in the third round, it gets dicey quick.

Hope that helps some in terms of how a real draft in a pretty competitive / knowledgeable league panned out.

 
Koya said:
Hope that helps some in terms of how a real draft in a pretty competitive / knowledgeable league panned out.
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Interesting...thanks.I'm in a pretty similiar league with no PPR, start 1 QB/2 RB/3 WR.Any thought to taking WR in the second...considering you start 3 WR?
 
gump said:
Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks.Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Last year we had a nice RB grouping in picks 25-35...RBrown, Grant, Pierre, TJones, maybe Rice on the back end if you loved him....that really worked well for a lot of us. This allowed many to draft WR and QB early, being confident that some good RB options would be there in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Anything similiar forming this season?2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems a very likely 1st round pick with be AJohnson. RB seems pretty weak at the back half of the 2nd round. Good year to go WR-WR, if you don't get Gore? Or is SJax a worthy reach, considering the WR in Rd 2? Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:1.06 - AJohnson, Gore, SJax, Turner, Rodgers2.05 - Wayne, CJ, Moss, Mendenhall, Deangelo, Peyton3.06 - Grant, Matthews, Greene, Jennings, Colston, Desean, Romo, Brady4.05 - Wells, PThomas, Stewart, Addai, McCoy, SRice, Boldin, Shaub, Rivers5.06 - Felix, Jacobs, Best, SSmith, SSmith, Ocho6.05 - Forte, RBrown, Nicks, Crabtree, Harvin, Cutler, FavreMy best mocks seem to come from RB-WR-QB (Romo or Peyton)...RB in the 4th...WR in the 5th/6th. But I haven't mock much yet.Thoughts?
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Well, Gore is the guy I think that is most likely person you would what who is also likely to be there at the time of the 6th pick. I'm pretty high on Gore this year, as I expect at least one of the O-Linemen drafted this year in the first round by San Fran to become starters and become an immediate upgrade on what was there previously. This can only mean a bigger season for Gore. If Gore is gone, there is the possibility that someone will pick gore instead of Ray Rice at #4 or 5, but I think this possibility is somewhat slim. in a 12 team league, it may be worthwhile to Grab A Johnson and to try for Deangelo in round 2 and go for Grant, matthews or Greene in round 3.I do realize you are walking away from SJax & Turner, but I think I'd rather have AJ, Deangelo and either Grant, matthews or greene than SJax, Deangelo and Jennings/colston.it's still a close call, and personal preference would be the deciding factor here for you. I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck
 
Ray_T said:
gump said:
Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks.

Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:

1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Last year we had a nice RB grouping in picks 25-35...RBrown, Grant, Pierre, TJones, maybe Rice on the back end if you loved him....that really worked well for a lot of us. This allowed many to draft WR and QB early, being confident that some good RB options would be there in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Anything similiar forming this season?

2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems a very likely 1st round pick with be AJohnson. RB seems pretty weak at the back half of the 2nd round. Good year to go WR-WR, if you don't get Gore? Or is SJax a worthy reach, considering the WR in Rd 2?

Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:

1.06 - AJohnson, Gore, SJax, Turner, Rodgers

2.05 - Wayne, CJ, Moss, Mendenhall, Deangelo, Peyton

3.06 - Grant, Matthews, Greene, Jennings, Colston, Desean, Romo, Brady

4.05 - Wells, PThomas, Stewart, Addai, McCoy, SRice, Boldin, Shaub, Rivers

5.06 - Felix, Jacobs, Best, SSmith, SSmith, Ocho

6.05 - Forte, RBrown, Nicks, Crabtree, Harvin, Cutler, Favre

My best mocks seem to come from RB-WR-QB (Romo or Peyton)...RB in the 4th...WR in the 5th/6th. But I haven't mock much yet.

Thoughts?
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Well, Gore is the guy I think that is most likely person you would what who is also likely to be there at the time of the 6th pick. I'm pretty high on Gore this year, as I expect at least one of the O-Linemen drafted this year in the first round by San Fran to become starters and become an immediate upgrade on what was there previously. This can only mean a bigger season for Gore. If Gore is gone, there is the possibility that someone will pick gore instead of Ray Rice at #4 or 5, but I think this possibility is somewhat slim. in a 12 team league, it may be worthwhile to Grab A Johnson and to try for Deangelo in round 2 and go for Grant, matthews or Greene in round 3.

I do realize you are walking away from SJax & Turner, but I think I'd rather have AJ, Deangelo and either Grant, matthews or greene than SJax, Deangelo and Jennings/colston.

it's still a close call, and personal preference would be the deciding factor here for you.

I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck
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Both were announced as starters yesterday, just FYI.
 
gump said:
So no proponents of WR-WR so far....unless (maybe) Gore is gone in the first and DWill and Mendy are gone in the 2nd?
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WR-WR is getting to be a harder sell.There seem to be more RBBC than there used to be, so it seems to be getting more important to get at least one bell cow RB in the first or second round.I'm not saying it cant be done, but I am saying if you take a WR in round 1 (Andre Johnson seems to be the most likely guy) then you have to look at round 2 to decide what your chances are of getting 2 decent RB's in round 3 and 4. If the prospects look good, then go for it.... but I think it's a harder sell now because after the top 14 or so RB's go off the board, the dropoff can be fairly sizeable and at that point you have to take some chances.I can see myself going WR-RB or RB-WR, but to go WR-WR would be a tough thing for me to justify because of this.
 
-jb- said:
Ray_T said:
gump said:
Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks.

Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:

1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Last year we had a nice RB grouping in picks 25-35...RBrown, Grant, Pierre, TJones, maybe Rice on the back end if you loved him....that really worked well for a lot of us. This allowed many to draft WR and QB early, being confident that some good RB options would be there in the late 3rd and early 4th rounds. Anything similiar forming this season?

2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems a very likely 1st round pick with be AJohnson. RB seems pretty weak at the back half of the 2nd round. Good year to go WR-WR, if you don't get Gore? Or is SJax a worthy reach, considering the WR in Rd 2?

Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:

1.06 - AJohnson, Gore, SJax, Turner, Rodgers

2.05 - Wayne, CJ, Moss, Mendenhall, Deangelo, Peyton

3.06 - Grant, Matthews, Greene, Jennings, Colston, Desean, Romo, Brady

4.05 - Wells, PThomas, Stewart, Addai, McCoy, SRice, Boldin, Shaub, Rivers

5.06 - Felix, Jacobs, Best, SSmith, SSmith, Ocho

6.05 - Forte, RBrown, Nicks, Crabtree, Harvin, Cutler, Favre

My best mocks seem to come from RB-WR-QB (Romo or Peyton)...RB in the 4th...WR in the 5th/6th. But I haven't mock much yet.

Thoughts?
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Well, Gore is the guy I think that is most likely person you would what who is also likely to be there at the time of the 6th pick. I'm pretty high on Gore this year, as I expect at least one of the O-Linemen drafted this year in the first round by San Fran to become starters and become an immediate upgrade on what was there previously. This can only mean a bigger season for Gore. If Gore is gone, there is the possibility that someone will pick gore instead of Ray Rice at #4 or 5, but I think this possibility is somewhat slim. in a 12 team league, it may be worthwhile to Grab A Johnson and to try for Deangelo in round 2 and go for Grant, matthews or Greene in round 3.

I do realize you are walking away from SJax & Turner, but I think I'd rather have AJ, Deangelo and either Grant, matthews or greene than SJax, Deangelo and Jennings/colston.

it's still a close call, and personal preference would be the deciding factor here for you.

I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck
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Both were announced as starters yesterday, just FYI.
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both may be starters already, but both may not yet be improvements upon what was there previously. Rationale:

If you have an old guy and a young guy who are roughly equal, I'd start the young guy in the hope that he improves as time goes along and he gains experience. That doesnt always happen.

also, if they made the starting role due to their pass protection, that is no guarantee they will open up more holes for Gore.

However, if one of them is a definite improvement, I'd expect Gore to have a good season.

If they both are an improvement for run-Blocking Gore could have a monster season.

Either way, I think Gore could be one of those players who could make your season if you can grab him at #5 or #6.

 
Ray_T said:
-jb- said:
Ray_T said:
Well, Gore is the guy I think that is most likely person you would what who is also likely to be there at the time of the 6th pick. I'm pretty high on Gore this year, as I expect at least one of the O-Linemen drafted this year in the first round by San Fran to become starters and become an immediate upgrade on what was there previously. This can only mean a bigger season for Gore.
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Both were announced as starters yesterday, just FYI.
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both may be starters already, but both may not yet be improvements upon what was there previously. Rationale:

If you have an old guy and a young guy who are roughly equal, I'd start the young guy in the hope that he improves as time goes along and he gains experience. That doesnt always happen.

also, if they made the starting role due to their pass protection, that is no guarantee they will open up more holes for Gore.

However, if one of them is a definite improvement, I'd expect Gore to have a good season.

If they both are an improvement for run-Blocking Gore could have a monster season.

Either way, I think Gore could be one of those players who could make your season if you can grab him at #5 or #6.
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I'm with you, although I think both guys are going to excel in all categories. Very high on Gore this year.
 
gump said:
Koya said:
Hope that helps some in terms of how a real draft in a pretty competitive / knowledgeable league panned out.
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Interesting...thanks.I'm in a pretty similiar league with no PPR, start 1 QB/2 RB/3 WR.Any thought to taking WR in the second...considering you start 3 WR?
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For me, not at all. I'd much prefer Matthews and then get the end of that WR run in the 3rd and wait on a QB.
 
From mocks...it seems like RB-WR is a lock for me. Don't like the RB in the 2nd, and there drop from 2nd to 3rd at WR is too much to pick another RB or QB in the 2nd.

The best start seems to be RB-WR-QB...if you can get Romo.

 
Just finished a draft... PPR scoring, pick #5 of 10:

5 Gore

16 CJ

25 Wells (Romo was 23, passed on Charles)

36 S. Smith (Car.)

45 Crabtree

56 Finley (!)

65 Barber

76 Bradshaw

85 Eli

96 Ryan

...

I'm McLovin this team, although in retrospect I probably reached for Wells. Hope this helps...

 
Fwiw I've done a bunch of rapid drafts. Mostly wr-rb. There is a TON of value available at this slot from my experience.

This one happened to shake our WR WR ( AJ and Brandon marshall) and even WR in the 5th to grab Vincent Jacksonand it surprisingly allowed me to scoop some nice RB/QB value (mathews 3rd benson 5th, bradshaw 7th and Brady 4th) as people were taking second and third tier receivers.

by the way this new screen shot extension is the balls.

"awesome screenshot"

easy upload of screen shot

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((Morpheus)) said:
Just finished a draft... PPR scoring, pick #5 of 10:5 Gore16 CJ25 Wells (Romo was 23, passed on Charles)36 S. Smith (Car.)45 Crabtree56 Finley (!)65 Barber76 Bradshaw85 Eli96 Ryan...I'm McLovin this team, although in retrospect I probably reached for Wells. Hope this helps...
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This looks a lot like what I would do if Romo got snagged before me. Nice work.
 
gump said:
Koya said:
Hope that helps some in terms of how a real draft in a pretty competitive / knowledgeable league panned out.
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Interesting...thanks.I'm in a pretty similiar league with no PPR, start 1 QB/2 RB/3 WR.Any thought to taking WR in the second...considering you start 3 WR?
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In a non PPR league, I am taking either Gore or Turner, whichever falls to me. Then take it from there. I probably go WR in round 2. You need to start 3, you're in a good spot to grab one of the good WRs in the tier after AJ. Then you take BPA for the next few rounds......so I like a RB-WR start from the 6 hole in a nonPPR league.
 
gump said:
From mocks...it seems like RB-WR is a lock for me. Don't like the RB in the 2nd, and there drop from 2nd to 3rd at WR is too much to pick another RB or QB in the 2nd.The best start seems to be RB-WR-QB...if you can get Romo.
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Romo is avail in the 4th, but I've seen peyton and brady fall that far as well. i like the RB avail in the 3-7 rounds avail. going wr wr early (and getting a BEAST in AJ and BM/Megatron/roddy white etc ate 2) doesnt seem half bad. I might do this.
 
((Morpheus)) said:
Just finished a draft... PPR scoring, pick #5 of 10:5 Gore16 CJ25 Wells (Romo was 23, passed on Charles)36 S. Smith (Car.)45 Crabtree56 Finley (!)65 Barber76 Bradshaw85 Eli96 Ryan...I'm McLovin this team, although in retrospect I probably reached for Wells. Hope this helps...
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Don't know why you felt that you reached on Wells. Who else was left at the time? You obviously felt he was the best RB available - and if your draft was similar to mine, the remaining backs within that tier would be gone by the 4th.My plan was to take S. Smith as well, but he was snagged a few pics before me, so I went with Ocho. What this shows is the versatility of the 6th pick. I don't know your league, but if you have PPR, its looking really nice. In mine, where WRs are less important I felt I could wait but needed a QB as they have more influence within my league rules.
 
gump said:
-jb- said:
Hipple said:
Another WR WR and I like the squad.

http://awesomescreenshot.com/0546dlfe
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Manning in the 4th???
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And Benson in the 5th. Great team yes...not sure it's realistic for me though.That's why I'm scared of the WR-WR start...if Grant isn't there in the 3rd, RB is going to be a shot in the dark.
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In most leagues either grant or mathews has been avail at 3rd.

More receivers seems to be going in the third than anything. Maybe i'll try some non rapiddrafts and see how that works out?

 
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Hipple said:
gump said:
-jb- said:
Hipple said:
Another WR WR and I like the squad.

http://awesomescreenshot.com/0546dlfe
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Manning in the 4th???
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And Benson in the 5th. Great team yes...not sure it's realistic for me though.That's why I'm scared of the WR-WR start...if Grant isn't there in the 3rd, RB is going to be a shot in the dark.
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In most leagues either grant or mathews has been avail at 3rd.

More receivers seems to be going in the third than anything. Maybe i'll try some non rapiddrafts and see how that works out?
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My experience is that Mathews is long gone - mid to late second round - and grant is either late second or early third. Neither made it close to me, which is why from the start I had targeted Wells with his upside (but obviously some issues as well. Then again, Grant has a great opportunity but not the talent and Mathews could light it up, but he is an unproven rookie that did have some injury concerns in college re: getting dinged, as I understand it)
 
Hipple said:
gump said:
-jb- said:
Hipple said:
Another WR WR and I like the squad.

http://awesomescreenshot.com/0546dlfe
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Manning in the 4th???
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And Benson in the 5th. Great team yes...not sure it's realistic for me though.That's why I'm scared of the WR-WR start...if Grant isn't there in the 3rd, RB is going to be a shot in the dark.
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In most leagues either grant or mathews has been avail at 3rd.

More receivers seems to be going in the third than anything. Maybe i'll try some non rapiddrafts and see how that works out?
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FFC has Mathews at 2.8, Grant at 3.1, and Benson at 3.6. Although my league isn't by the book...so it definitely could happen.
 
You guys must not be drafting on Yahoo...Matthews is ranked 9 overall...De Williams is 10...Shonn Greene is 13, But I'm seeing you guys mark them as possibly available in the mid 2nd or mid 3rd round?!

 
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You guys must not be drafting on Yahoo...Matthews is ranked 9 overall...De Williams is 10...Shonn Greene is 13, But I'm seeing you guys mark them as possibly available in the mid 2nd or mid 3rd round?!
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Matthews is available in most leagues in the mid second per my experience. The first tier of RBs goes to Gore and then usually SJax. That's when AJ goes off the board and likely Rodgers or Brees followed by a couple more receivers. You then are into the second with people choosing amongst one of the top WRs still left, the other two top QBs (those listed and Manning) and guys like DWill and Matthews. So, Matthews could go as high as early second, but I dont see how he goes past the end of the 2nd in most drafts / most formats.
 
Jayrod said:
I think first round is easiest as you take whoever is left out of CJ, AP, MJD, Rice, Gore & AJ.Whatever I get there would determine what position I look to take in the 2nd (AJ, go RB...RB, go WR). Of course if ridiculous value represents itself, be ready to alter that and double up at a position.Then I just look for best player available, keeping an eye on QB & TE tiers. I'd be more apt to wait on QB than TE this year after the 3rd round, but that's just me.
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Yea, if you are in a 12-team PPR league, I think AJ is a great start at #6. You will likely see a lot of WRs and maybe a QB or two be picked before your next pick, so there's decent chance that you have some good RBs remaining. If you go RB at #6, then you will be left with the 2nd tier WRs.
 
-jb- said:
This seems to be what I get from that spot:

RB/WR/QB/WR/WR/RB/RB/RB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Romo

Ochocinco

Nicks

Bradshaw

Forsett

Bush

This hinges completely on Romo. If he's not there, I'll usually chase a TE in the fifth:

RB/WR/WR/WR/TE/RB/QB

EXAMPLE

Gore/Turner (depending on scoring)

Austin

Jennings

Ochocinco

Gates

Bradshaw

Forsett

Cutler

Both plans are basically relying on a spray-and-pray approach at RB2. To me, that seems to the roster spot with the most upside this year.
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This is really sound advice. The WRs available in the 2nd round are too good to pass on, and the drop-off in RB talent is obvious by the middle of the 3rd round. I'm not crazy about the idea of gambling on Greene/Mendenhall in the 2nd round (at the expense of an elite WR) or on Wells/Mccoy in the 3rd (where the talent at WR/QB is far more compelling). Drafting the BPA in he 3rd round seems like the way to go, and I love the plan to grab an elite TE in the 5th if Romo/Brady aren't available in the 3rd.That being said, the major advantage of drafting from the middle is the luxury of flexibility. Be aware of tiers/runs and be ready to pull the trigger on guys like D. Williams who could potentially slip and be great value picks.

 
My big concern is it seems like I'm chasing runs in the mocks I've done, OR I'm picking in the middle of a run where guys 4-5 picks later are getting the same value. Drafting a RB at #6 like Turner starts you off a step behind the top 5, and drafting a WR like Wayne doesn't feel like its making up that ground at WR, when the top 5 guys would still get Jennings, CJ, etc.

So do you grab AJ in Rd 1, to at least have a leg up at WR?

Or is getting a true #1 back too important in Rd 1?

 
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My big concern is it seems like I'm chasing runs in the mocks I've done, OR I'm picking in the middle of a run where guys 4-5 picks later are getting the same value. Drafting a RB at #6 like Turner starts you off a step behind the top 5, and drafting a WR like Wayne doesn't feel like its making up that ground at WR, when the top 5 guys would still get Jennings, CJ, etc.

So do you grab AJ in Rd 1, to at least have a leg up at WR?

Or is getting a true #1 back too important in Rd 1?
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Don't chase runs, go against them. Or, be in the middle of a run, not the end. In other words, there won't be a big difference from RB8-10 or WR 4-6. But, if you wait til the end of a run and select a position from that run, you're losing ground. So, if you've seen about 4 WRs go, draft a RB, if only 2 have started and you feel like a run will continue, draft WR.

From what I've seen:

2nd round: WR run. I see usually around 6 to 8 WRs going in this round sometimes! Thus, draft your RB here isn't bad if you already landed AJ in the 1st. Everyone else grabbing WRs helps you, because you could use a RB1.

3rd round: QB and RB run. After the 2nd round, a lot of teams will be looking to land a top 7 QB or start with their RBs since they went RB/WR or WR/WR. This is where you can grab a WR or if the last of the top 7 QBs is there I would pull the trigger.

4th round: TE and WR run. This round is usually pretty even and dynamic. Three or four TEs may go once the first is gone, but typically owners are drafting for value.

5th round: TE run. This is where I've seen the TEs flying off the board, so if you want an elite one, grab one in the 4th or just wait and stock up on RB or WR depth, depending how you drafted in the 2nd.

6th round: QB. Favre, Cutler, Eli, Flacco, Kolb...the last of the solid QBs IMO...you better get one here or you're stuck with fodder.

This is a rough breakdown, as I'm at work and going completely off memory. Hope it helps.

 
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gump said:
My big concern is it seems like I'm chasing runs in the mocks I've done, OR I'm picking in the middle of a run where guys 4-5 picks later are getting the same value. Drafting a RB at #6 like Turner starts you off a step behind the top 5, and drafting a WR like Wayne doesn't feel like its making up that ground at WR, when the top 5 guys would still get Jennings, CJ, etc.

So do you grab AJ in Rd 1, to at least have a leg up at WR?

Or is getting a true #1 back too important in Rd 1?
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Don't chase runs, go against them. Or, be in the middle of a run, not the end. In other words, there won't be a big difference from RB8-10 or WR 4-6. But, if you wait til the end of a run and select a position from that run, you're losing ground. So, if you've seen about 4 WRs go, draft a RB, if only 2 have started and you feel like a run will continue, draft WR.
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I'm with you...but here's the thing I'm struggling with. Turner (on my cheatsheet) is very clearly the END of the top RB tier....so theoretically I should go AJ instead of catching the end of a run. But....the drop from Turner to RB7 is big on my list. And the WR are grouped more closely, with the top 7 within 25-ish points.

So it actually seems like in this case it'd be better to grab a Tier 1 RB and WR in the 2nd...even though I'm not getting out in front of runs.

 
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Deuce said:
gump said:
My big concern is it seems like I'm chasing runs in the mocks I've done, OR I'm picking in the middle of a run where guys 4-5 picks later are getting the same value. Drafting a RB at #6 like Turner starts you off a step behind the top 5, and drafting a WR like Wayne doesn't feel like its making up that ground at WR, when the top 5 guys would still get Jennings, CJ, etc.

So do you grab AJ in Rd 1, to at least have a leg up at WR?

Or is getting a true #1 back too important in Rd 1?
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Don't chase runs, go against them. Or, be in the middle of a run, not the end. In other words, there won't be a big difference from RB8-10 or WR 4-6. But, if you wait til the end of a run and select a position from that run, you're losing ground. So, if you've seen about 4 WRs go, draft a RB, if only 2 have started and you feel like a run will continue, draft WR.
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I'm with you...but here's the thing I'm struggling with. Turner (on my cheatsheet) is very clearly the END of the top RB tier....so theoretically I should go AJ instead of catching the end of a run. But....the drop from Turner to RB7 is big on my list. And the WR are grouped more closely, with the top 7 within 25-ish points.

So it actually seems like in this case it'd be better to grab a Tier 1 RB and WR in the 2nd...even though I'm not getting out in front of runs.
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You are not chasing a run if you are drafting the last guy in a tier (in this case Turner). You are maximizing the value. You would be chasing the run if you start picking players from the next tier.

 
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Really starting to like this for my 6th in a 10 team:

1.06 - Gore or Turner

2.05 - Best WR available (likely White, CJ, or Austin)

3.06 - Romo if there...or BPA if not (Colston, Deangelo occasionally)

4.05 - Shaub if Romo wasn't there...or BPA...likely RB like Wells or Thomas

5.06 - WR/TE....Ocho falling a lot, or Davis/Clark

6.05 - BPA....likely RB like Barber or WR like Nicks

7...on - BPA

I think RB is the way to go in the first, since (for me) there is a clear drop after Turner.

I like the WR in RD 2, and it seems you can get a similiar RB or QB in Rd 3/4.

QB in the 3rd is a nice sweet spot, as everyone goes after more WR and RB.

RB in the 4th seems like a nice sweet spot.

WR/TE in the 5th seems like a nice sweet spot.

This sets up for a lot of position flexibility most of the way thru.

 
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Have my live draft this Saturday at a sports bar near philly and phillies nationals game afterwards

(12 team ppr-6pt Td's across the board) QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,flex,K,D.

I was really hoping for Andre Johnson but it looks like he is going at 5.

1)C. Johnons

2)R. Rice

3)A. Peterson

4)Jones Drew

5)A. Johnson

Intially I was all over Gore and was fine with him or Johnson but the more and more I think about it I'm not so sure. Singletary comments having me overthinking this and I might just go with the steady play of Turner. Hec if you read M. Berry's article I was suprised to read that Turner had the most 20+ runs last season second to Chris Johnson. That was also missing 6 games and he wasn't that far off from Johnson. I know its a PPR league but am I wrong for considering Turner here at 6.

 
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Have my live draft this Saturday at a sports bar near philly and phillies nationals game afterwards(12 team ppr-6pt Td's across the board) QB,RB,RB,WR,WR,flex,K,D. I was really hoping for Andre Johnson but it looks like he is going at 5.1)C. Johnons2)R. Rice3)A. Peterson4)Jones Drew5)A. JohnsonIntially I was all over Gore and was fine with him or Johnson but the more and more I think about it I'm not so sure. Singletary comments having me overthinking this and I might just go with the steady play of Turner. Hec if you read M. Berry's article I was suprised to read that Turner had the most 20+ runs last season second to Chris Johnson. That was also missing 6 games and he wasn't that far off from Johnson. I know its a PPR league but am I wrong for considering Turner here at 6.
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I personally wouldn't consider Turner there in PPR. I'm in a non-PPR, so am good settling for Turner at #6...but only if Gore is gone.
 
12 Team local league. No PPR. Start QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, WR/TE, WR/RB, D, K Escalators for over 100 yard rushing/receiving and over 300 yards passing. 6th pick.

My draft in order:

AJ

Calvin

Romo

Crabtree

Best

Nicks

Finley

M Bush

LoMo

Hardesty

DMC

Carlson

Bears

Avery

Hartley

Campbell

 
Just noticed FBG dropped Gore's projected catches by 15 with the signing of Westbrook. I have also noticed, as others have pointed out, that by drafting Gore 5th and a WR in the second you are essentially drafting Gore immediatley after 4 RBs and a WR most likely immediatley after 4 or 5 WR were just picked.

I still like Gore a lot as he has a great schedule compared to AJ who has a tougher schedule, but it is tempting to take AJ and then a QB, so you are getting the 1st WR off the board and a top 3 QB of the board. Maybe take RBs in the 3rd and 4th and then be in front of the pack again with a TE in the 4th.

I was pretty certain on Gore at 5, but am having second thoughts.

I am talking 10 team PPR.

 
Just tried it in a mock -

AJ

Fitz (couldn't resist)

DWill

Mccoy

Schuab (top TEs went right in front)

Bush

Nicks

Moss

 
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