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Rand Paul defends country club celebration

USA TODAY

Rand Paul, the newly elected GOP Senate nominee from Kentucky, defended holding his victory celebration at a private country club in an interview today with ABC. He's running as an anti-establishment candidate.

Golf clubs aren't exclusive, Paul said, because Tiger Woods has "brought golf to a lot of the cities and city youth and so, no, I don't think it is as nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be."

Love it that he brings Tiger into the thought process. Paul is just another big goverment official

 
The guy just won the Republican nomination for US Senate. Where should he have held his victory party? Cracker Barrel...

 
1. I don't think it's a big deal for anyone to have a private party at a private country club. People rent country clubs for weddings all the time.

2. it was bad enough that he tried to play on the popularity of Tiger Woods (read the headlines lately, Rand??), but his explanation was so pathetic that it bordered on the Miss South Carolina level of awkwardness ("Tiger brought golf...to a lot of the cities...and city youth" :clap: )

 
The Ref said:
:clap: Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
 
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.

 
TobiasFunke said:
The Ref said:
:lmao: Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
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:clap: Really?So I could just waltz right into whatever victory party I wanted to?
 
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Did you read that article? That's a pretty tough argument to make. Basically you are calling both Pauls hypocrites. Do you have any evidence of this?

 
GroveDiesel said:
TobiasFunke said:
The Ref said:
:violin:

Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
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:lmao: Really?So I could just waltz right into whatever victory party I wanted to?
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Wow. I don't even know how to respond to this. I guess I'll hope you're kidding, because the alternative- that you really don't understand the difference between a private event at a place of public accommodation and a public event- is frankly a little depressing.
 
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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He's got a lot of his dad's nutty ideology, but he's right on far more things than he's wrong on.If the choice boils down to a Republican who is soft on terrorism but for small government and fiscal restraint and a Democrat that's soft on terrorism but for big government and out of control spending, I'll take the nutty Republican.
 
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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He has a celebration at a private country club.... OH MY GOD! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! :(
 
TobiasFunke said:
Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Unfortunately I don't think they're disingenuous about their beliefs. They truly buy what they're selling.I'm not a fan, but given the choice I'll take the lesser of two evils in a general election.
 
whoknew said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Did you read that article? That's a pretty tough argument to make. Basically you are calling both Pauls hypocrites. Do you have any evidence of this?
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I was kidding about the younger Paul. I really don't care at all that he had his party in a country club. I think it's kinda funny that he pretends to be a "man of the people" then parties with the rich when he wins, but whatever.The elder Paul is very clearly a hypocrite. He rails constantly against earmarks and unrestrained spending constantly, but asks for huge earmarks for his own district. Where does he think the other earmarks and spending he's railing against come from? Other reps just like him asking for stuff just like he is, for their districts. Why is it OK for him to ask for it but not them? Because he voted against the whole package? Please. He knew it would pass, that's why he asked for it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
 
Statorama said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
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He's got a lot of his dad's nutty ideology, but he's right on far more things than he's wrong on.If the choice boils down to a Republican who is soft on terrorism but for small government and fiscal restraint and a Democrat that's soft on terrorism but for big government and out of control spending, I'll take the nutty Republican.
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Although I am far from being a Paul fan (either Ron or Rand.... but I am a Paul Ryan fan!) I certainly have absolutely no problem with a few more of their 'type' in Congress. Either Senate or House. The White House.... not so much.... but Congress, I could certainly appreciate more of them there.
 
DevilsTrifecta said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
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Unpack please.
 
Chadstroma said:
DevilsTrifecta said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
Click to expand...
Unpack please.
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Paul would like all spending to be specifically allocated to a specific project. That would certainly cut a lot of government waste.
 
TobiasFunke said:
whoknew said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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Did you read that article? That's a pretty tough argument to make. Basically you are calling both Pauls hypocrites. Do you have any evidence of this?
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I was kidding about the younger Paul. I really don't care at all that he had his party in a country club. I think it's kinda funny that he pretends to be a "man of the people" then parties with the rich when he wins, but whatever.The elder Paul is very clearly a hypocrite. He rails constantly against earmarks and unrestrained spending constantly, but asks for huge earmarks for his own district. Where does he think the other earmarks and spending he's railing against come from? Other reps just like him asking for stuff just like he is, for their districts. Why is it OK for him to ask for it but not them? Because he voted against the whole package? Please. He knew it would pass, that's why he asked for it.
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His point is that the money is being taken - its already gone from his District. The IRS is taking that money regardless of whether he asks for some of it back or not. So he has a responsibility to his District to get some of that money back by asking for the earmarks.

That's not being hypocritical. He doesn't want it to happen (as evidenced by his overall "No" vote). But if it is inevitable, he has a responsibility to his constituents to have some of the money go to his District (thus his earmarks).

 
DevilsTrifecta said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
Click to expand...
You know what, you're absolutely right. I read around the internets some more and he doesn't seem opposed to the general idea of earmarks. I would argue that he's been rather disingenuous in some of his other very critical positions on governments "waste" while requesting $8 million for marketing for the Texas Shrimp Association, but I apologize for mischaracterizing his stated position on earmarks. I was 100% wrong on that.

 
From the article I was reading last night, he spent most of the campaign criticizing his opponent as a country club republican. It is then hypocritcal to stage you victory party in an actual country club.

Of course, none of this is as weird as his Tiger Woods statement.

 
TobiasFunke said:
DevilsTrifecta said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
Click to expand...
You know what, you're absolutely right. I read around the internets some more and he doesn't seem opposed to the general idea of earmarks. I would argue that he's been rather disingenuous in some of his other very critical positions on governments "waste" while requesting $8 million for marketing for the Texas Shrimp Association, but I apologize for mischaracterizing his stated position on earmarks. I was 100% wrong on that.
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Fair enough. I can agree that 8 million for marketing is probably wasteful as well. I guess no one is perfect, eh?
 
bigbottom said:
No big deal, but I sure hope that response sounded better than it reads.
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Paul's full answer:
ROBIN: Some people find it a bit ironic that your victory party last night was at a private country club in Kentucky. Doesn’t that kind of send a mixed message there?

PAUL: I think at one time people used to think of golf and golf courses and golf clubs as being exclusive. But I think in recent years now you see a lot of people playing golf. I think Tiger Woods has helped to broaden that in the sense that he’s brought golf to a lot of the cities and to city youth, and so no, I don’t think it’s nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be.
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TobiasFunke said:
GroveDiesel said:
TobiasFunke said:
The Ref said:
:thumbup:

Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
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:no: Really?So I could just waltz right into whatever victory party I wanted to?
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Wow. I don't even know how to respond to this. I guess I'll hope you're kidding, because the alternative- that you really don't understand the difference between a private event at a place of public accommodation and a public event- is frankly a little depressing.
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So you're upset that he held a private event at a private club rather than a closed off ritzy ballroom? I don't really see a difference between the two. As long as it's not at the local KKK clubhouse, what does it really matter? I'm not getting into either one, so who cares? I'm sure the costs of either one would be about the same, so what's the big deal?
 
DevilsTrifecta said:
Chadstroma said:
DevilsTrifecta said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
Ron Paul has long been on the record supporting earmarks. If it was up to him every single dollar spent would be earmarked.
Click to expand...
Unpack please.
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Paul would like all spending to be specifically allocated to a specific project. That would certainly cut a lot of government waste.
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Gotcha. It would be helpful but not a position that I would expect from a Libertarian.
 
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
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In written requests he submitted to the House Appropriations Committee, the Lake Jackson Republican asked for $8.6 million for the Army Corps of Engineers to maintain the Texas City Channel and $10 million for the Galveston Rail Causeway Bridge. He also asked for money for a nursing program, expansion of a cancer center at Brazosport Hospital, a seafood testing program, a Children's Identification and Location Database and $8 million for Wild American Shrimp Marketing requested by the Texas Shrimp Association.
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I like shrimp, so that last one gets a pass. But I'll be damned if I favor spending my hard earned tax dollars on frivolous stuff like cancer center expansions, food safety, bridge repair and safeguarding children. How dare he!

 
TobiasFunke said:
The Ref said:
:hifive:

Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
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Yes, many times country clubs are cheaper!

 
GroveDiesel said:
TobiasFunke said:
GroveDiesel said:
TobiasFunke said:
The Ref said:
:rolleyes:

Where the heck was he suposed to host it? A McDonalds?
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How about a hotel ballroom or similar place of public accommodation, like 99% of the victory parties I've seen? Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO, but those of you pretending that there's no difference between a country club and a hotel ballroom are sounding about as logical as Paul's defense of the decision.
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:hifive: Really?So I could just waltz right into whatever victory party I wanted to?
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Wow. I don't even know how to respond to this. I guess I'll hope you're kidding, because the alternative- that you really don't understand the difference between a private event at a place of public accommodation and a public event- is frankly a little depressing.
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So you're upset that he held a private event at a private club rather than a closed off ritzy ballroom? I don't really see a difference between the two. As long as it's not at the local KKK clubhouse, what does it really matter? I'm not getting into either one, so who cares? I'm sure the costs of either one would be about the same, so what's the big deal?
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No, I'm not remotely upset in any way. I really don't care at all. I just thought it was weird that people couldn't see the difference between a hotel ballroom and a country club. They are two totally different things. A country club is an organization reserved for the wealthy and those with social status. And while I don't know if this particular club discriminates based on race or religion both in membership and access to facilities for events (like, say, a victory party) many of them do. A hotel is required by law to be made available to anyone who pays the fee and makes a reservation.Again, I don't care where he parties, although I think it's a political mistake to say you're a man of the people and then whoop it up at a country club. I just didn't understand why people were acting like two places were the same basic thing when they very clearly are not.

 
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kupcho1 said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
In written requests he submitted to the House Appropriations Committee, the Lake Jackson Republican asked for $8.6 million for the Army Corps of Engineers to maintain the Texas City Channel and $10 million for the Galveston Rail Causeway Bridge. He also asked for money for a nursing program, expansion of a cancer center at Brazosport Hospital, a seafood testing program, a Children's Identification and Location Database and $8 million for Wild American Shrimp Marketing requested by the Texas Shrimp Association.
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I like shrimp, so that last one gets a pass. But I'll be damned if I favor spending my hard earned tax dollars on frivolous stuff like cancer center expansions, food safety, bridge repair and safeguarding children. How dare he!
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Publicly funded health care!!!
 
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kupcho1 said:
TobiasFunke said:
Chadstroma said:
If this is the most horrible thing about Rand Paul that you can come up with then he will easily be the best man in DC if elected.
Click to expand...
I'm guessing most of the stuff you dislike are not things these folks do prior to getting elected but things the politicians do when they get here and get "corrupted" by the system. You know, things like this little nugget from dear old dad.

Looks like the apple might not fall to far from the tree- talk one game, play another.
Click to expand...
In written requests he submitted to the House Appropriations Committee, the Lake Jackson Republican asked for $8.6 million for the Army Corps of Engineers to maintain the Texas City Channel and $10 million for the Galveston Rail Causeway Bridge. He also asked for money for a nursing program, expansion of a cancer center at Brazosport Hospital, a seafood testing program, a Children's Identification and Location Database and $8 million for Wild American Shrimp Marketing requested by the Texas Shrimp Association.
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I like shrimp, so that last one gets a pass. But I'll be damned if I favor spending my hard earned tax dollars on frivolous stuff like cancer center expansions, food safety, bridge repair and safeguarding children. How dare he!
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Not really consistent on the whole smaller federal government thing though. :hifive:
 
D_House said:
bigbottom said:
No big deal, but I sure hope that response sounded better than it reads.
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Paul's full answer:
ROBIN: Some people find it a bit ironic that your victory party last night was at a private country club in Kentucky. Doesn’t that kind of send a mixed message there?

PAUL: I think at one time people used to think of golf and golf courses and golf clubs as being exclusive. But I think in recent years now you see a lot of people playing golf. I think Tiger Woods has helped to broaden that in the sense that he’s brought golf to a lot of the cities and to city youth, and so no, I don’t think it’s nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be.
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Well he knows nothing about golf.Rounds and participation have been down or flat at best over the past 5 years.

lol...in fact this was just printed today. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0769906000.html

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Gopher State said:
Paul is just another big goverment official
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Agreed. Celebrating on private property surely smacks of socialism.
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Maybe he should turn this issue around and make this a selling point."I'm so opposed to big government that I chose to celebrate my victory in an establishment that is not oppressed by the heavy shackles of the Civil Rights Act!"
 
Is Ron Paul one of those nutjobs that named all his kids with the same letter? I hate those people.

 
Gopher State said:
Rand Paul defends country club celebration

USA TODAY

Rand Paul, the newly elected GOP Senate nominee from Kentucky, defended holding his victory celebration at a private country club in an interview today with ABC. He's running as an anti-establishment candidate.

Golf clubs aren't exclusive, Paul said, because Tiger Woods has "brought golf to a lot of the cities and city youth and so, no, I don't think it is as nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be."

Love it that he brings Tiger into the thought process. Paul is just another big goverment official
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Minor mistake making the party an exclusive affair; much bigger mistake bringing up Tiger Woods and mentioning golf being not "nearly as exclusive as people once considered it to be." It doesn't sound as bad as it reads, but why even bring Tiger Woods up? This can be spun so many ways it only points out what a novice he is, which I suppose can be viewed as refreshing. On the other hand, that statement is pretty asinine.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Honestly, this is much ado about nothing IMO,
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