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Thug. This guy doesn't deserve the talent he's been blessed with.
Koya
Footballguy
I dont know about yall, but I sensed a LOT of hard sarcasm there.
Yeah, Randy takes plays off, but the guy was always a competitor. A few screws loose, but Ive seen him play through pain plenty.
It sounds to me like Randy is "beat" - beat by a team and a coach and a franchise that doesnt seem to care that they are losing. Because if the team cared, maybe they wouldnt let ego get in the way of turning a franchise around. Maybe J. Porter wouldnt be an outcast, even if he is a misanthrope.
Maybe Al Davis would actually be willing to hire a decent coach who would stand on his own, rather than a puppet to let the king have final say - over a kingdom that has crumbled, I should add.
The fact is, Randy looks around him and sees ####. And it seemed to me, without knowing the full context of these quotes, that he is sarcastic yet resigned to a reality and like many of us would say "if no one else around me gives a ####, why should I?"
Often you say that as a hypothetical, because you DO give a ####. Sometimes you say it sarastically, hypothetically and medicinally... almost trying to justify to yourself why you shouldnt be miserable because no one around you gives much of a #### about actually winning.
Yeah, Randy takes plays off, but the guy was always a competitor. A few screws loose, but Ive seen him play through pain plenty.
It sounds to me like Randy is "beat" - beat by a team and a coach and a franchise that doesnt seem to care that they are losing. Because if the team cared, maybe they wouldnt let ego get in the way of turning a franchise around. Maybe J. Porter wouldnt be an outcast, even if he is a misanthrope.
Maybe Al Davis would actually be willing to hire a decent coach who would stand on his own, rather than a puppet to let the king have final say - over a kingdom that has crumbled, I should add.
The fact is, Randy looks around him and sees ####. And it seemed to me, without knowing the full context of these quotes, that he is sarcastic yet resigned to a reality and like many of us would say "if no one else around me gives a ####, why should I?"
Often you say that as a hypothetical, because you DO give a ####. Sometimes you say it sarastically, hypothetically and medicinally... almost trying to justify to yourself why you shouldnt be miserable because no one around you gives much of a #### about actually winning.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
wraith5
Footballguy
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Cause Randy's the one being quoted in this thread.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
he's "loving life" and he's "unhappy",
all in the same sentence.
all in the same sentence.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Randy Moss now on the Raiders = Barry Sanders with the Lions and why he eventually retired
HOWEVER, Sanders brought it EVERY WEEK.
To be great, sometimes you gotta keep shining even when there's a storm cloud over you that doesn't move for several years. You know, if Randy had a good attitude this team might still finish 3-13 but it would be an entirely DIFFERENT team IF he had a good attitude. Moss is the kind of player that can put a team on his back and if he'd just man up I think plenty of the other guys would look at this same dismal situation and say, "You know what? Maybe we aren't very good but we do have Randy Moss and we're dangerous by that alone. We're going to go out here EVERY week and have other teams scared, have them HAVE to bring their A GAME or else we're gonna put a foot in someone's behind."
Moss has given this team NOTHING this year. He's an albatross, a guy collecting a huge paycheck he doesn't deserve.
You know what? It's obvious Shell and the WWI coaching staff he has doesn't know what they're doing anymore BUT, at least he's put up some air of accountability there and stood up to the players. Now, if someone involved could just do the same with Al Davis. But, maybe the best thing to do after this season would be to cut loose ANY dead weight they have, that includes Moss and Porter, and get 53 men who want to be on the same page going in the same direction, WHEREVER that may be. A unified team can go a long way in the face of most any adversity. Case in point? It worked in the movie MAJOR LEAGUE! Maybe they need to get a stand up poster of Al Davis in a G-String and start tearing off bits and pieces after every win. ( :X at the thought of geezer ### Al Davis naked. :X :X :X ) But I think this is the best shot the Raiders have at this point. Want a real example? Look at Sean Payton in New Orleans! Look at all the weight he cut from that team! Working pretty well there.
HOWEVER, Sanders brought it EVERY WEEK.
To be great, sometimes you gotta keep shining even when there's a storm cloud over you that doesn't move for several years. You know, if Randy had a good attitude this team might still finish 3-13 but it would be an entirely DIFFERENT team IF he had a good attitude. Moss is the kind of player that can put a team on his back and if he'd just man up I think plenty of the other guys would look at this same dismal situation and say, "You know what? Maybe we aren't very good but we do have Randy Moss and we're dangerous by that alone. We're going to go out here EVERY week and have other teams scared, have them HAVE to bring their A GAME or else we're gonna put a foot in someone's behind."
Moss has given this team NOTHING this year. He's an albatross, a guy collecting a huge paycheck he doesn't deserve.
You know what? It's obvious Shell and the WWI coaching staff he has doesn't know what they're doing anymore BUT, at least he's put up some air of accountability there and stood up to the players. Now, if someone involved could just do the same with Al Davis. But, maybe the best thing to do after this season would be to cut loose ANY dead weight they have, that includes Moss and Porter, and get 53 men who want to be on the same page going in the same direction, WHEREVER that may be. A unified team can go a long way in the face of most any adversity. Case in point? It worked in the movie MAJOR LEAGUE! Maybe they need to get a stand up poster of Al Davis in a G-String and start tearing off bits and pieces after every win. ( :X at the thought of geezer ### Al Davis naked. :X :X :X ) But I think this is the best shot the Raiders have at this point. Want a real example? Look at Sean Payton in New Orleans! Look at all the weight he cut from that team! Working pretty well there.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I think you're right on about this but a great player looks at the crap around him and says, you know what, I ain't crap and under no circumstance do I play or act like crap. When a great player is served up crap, he makes crap sandwiches!!!!!!
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I don't think it is a total excuse of his behavior, but there is a difference in being a disenchanted RB and a disenchanted WR. As the RB, you're going to get the ball 20 times a game no matter what. With Barry's skill, he knew he could bust one at any point. So, even on a team destined to go nowhere, he could give 100% and carry the team. A WR on a team that doesn't have a QB capable of getting him the ball is in a different spot. There are multiple drives in a row where he won't get a ball thrown his way, or if it is, it could be uncatchable.Think about any of our professions where effort = success almost as much as it does in sports. If you take away all possibility of success in the equation, how much effort gets put forth? It's like those comercials where the guy works with a bunch of monkeys. He knows no matter what effort he puts forth, he's not going to succeed. You think he gives 110% every day?
Koya
Footballguy
That is why Moss isnt a great player.He is an unreal talent who has been one of the more productive players at his position during a good stretch of time, but he definately lacks that burning desire and will to out work everyone else on the field.That said, Moss gets more criticism than he deserves. Yes, he isnt getting the most out of his talent - but he is not a terrible guy either. He has acted immaturely, but doesnt go on these planned escapades trying to make division on a team, ala TO. The guy is really good in the community from all I hear... it just seems people want to pile on Moss because he represents a talent that is perhaps the best the game has seen, but his career will never be "that" great. Even so, in this case it sounds like he is being somewhat sarcastic, and I dont think Moss' words here merit much beyond recognizing how lost the Raiders are.A good Raiders team is good for the NFL too, I dont know how Davis is going to get lucky again ala the Gannon years.
Santa Fe Trail
Footballguy
I don't mind the comments but I abhor Randy's effort level and route running. Oakland has dropped nine straight...no way they should rebuild around Moss. Trade him to Minnesota or New England for an '07 second rounder and start the rebuilding process. The D is young, bring in a new innovative OC, draft Quinn or Brohm, and hopefully hit on some steals with the second rounders. I'd rather give Porter a shot to play hard than watch more of Randy's act.
redman
Footballguy
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Yes it does look like the entire Raider team has quit which leads me to wonder why the only player Art Shell has hung out to dry is Jerry Porter?
The Swarm
Footballguy
Does it strike anyone as coincidence that when Brooks left New Orleans to helm the Raiders, their typical disgruntlement turned to an all-out collapse? And when Brees went to New Orleans -- suddenly the doormat of the NFL (and a team with little willpower) is suddenly looking like a fierce, hungry team playing with pride?
Hi koya,I think this is the telling paragraph. I don't doubt that's what is happening here. But the great ones don't look around and quit just because everyone else has. That is a HUGE difference.
J
Hi Swarm,I've long been a detractor of Brooks. I don't think he has what it takes to win. He's a guy that will throw a crucial interception and 15 seconds later be laughing it up on the sidelines. You have to forget the mistakes, but he took blowing it off to a new level. Ryan Leaf after the close loss in the Rose Bowl was the same way.But with that said, I don't pin any of the Raider collapse or Saints resurgence on Brooks. Raiders were a sinking ship already. Shell was a last grasp after all the other coaches took the better jobs. And the Saints have 25 or so new players plus a new staff. That's almost a whole new team.J
SpaceCowboy
Footballguy
I think RMoss is one of the most misunderstood sports figures around. I'm sure he said what was said as a joke, and maybe for some pub. He has been basically swallowed in the Black Hole as far as news coverage goes. When was the last time you heard about him on Sportcenter or PTI or Around The Horn, the official shows of Terrell Owens and the Boston Red Sox.
Moss would be reborn if he got traded to a winning team. If I was surrounded at work by all that garbage every day, I could only do my job so well for so long. I'd personally like to see him get traded bc I think that we, as fans, are getting robbed in missing one of the greatest receivers of all time play.
Remeber in Minnesota when Cunningham, or Culpepper used to heave the ball up in the air. I'd be on the edge of my seat, waiting for a spectacular play. I hate the Vikings, but I loved to watch him play. Nowadays I forget that he's even in the NFL.
That's just my opinion. If New England can get a 1st rounder for Branch, you would have to think another team would give up a #1 for R. Moss...How about the aforementioned Redskins? They could care less about draft picks, love the big name players, and could send Sean Taylor back in exchange. Taylor was a Raider by birth anyways.
Moss would be reborn if he got traded to a winning team. If I was surrounded at work by all that garbage every day, I could only do my job so well for so long. I'd personally like to see him get traded bc I think that we, as fans, are getting robbed in missing one of the greatest receivers of all time play.
Remeber in Minnesota when Cunningham, or Culpepper used to heave the ball up in the air. I'd be on the edge of my seat, waiting for a spectacular play. I hate the Vikings, but I loved to watch him play. Nowadays I forget that he's even in the NFL.
That's just my opinion. If New England can get a 1st rounder for Branch, you would have to think another team would give up a #1 for R. Moss...How about the aforementioned Redskins? They could care less about draft picks, love the big name players, and could send Sean Taylor back in exchange. Taylor was a Raider by birth anyways.
The Swarm
Footballguy
I'm not blaming 100% of either team's change of fortune on the QB. Yet I believe that leadership in the huddle, in the locker room, and on the sidelines is a major contributor to a team's identity.
Koya
Footballguy
Joe - to clarify, I am not calling Moss a great player. I thought that was clear. He is an IMMENSE talent with a LOT of production... but he does not have the will, drive nor desire to be truly great. That said, he gets a bit too much blame imo. While he doesnt go 100% I dont think he is a bad guy nor a really bad influence on a team (ala TO)
redman
Footballguy
The change of coaching staff and philosophy, not to mention the cleaning of the house in New Orleans (particularly on defense) I think was primarily responsible for their improvement. Brees is only one aspect of that, albeit an important one. It's frankly the lack of any substantive change in Oakland that has caused a bad team to become a wreck. Jerry Porter was on that team long before Brooks got there, and Moss has always had a suspect spine when the going got rough for his team. Moreover, unlike Payton in New Orleans, Shell does not represent a departure from where the team was heading before. That organization simply went from the soft Norv Turner to the Al Davis-yes man, Art Shell, which is a lot like noting that your plane is in a nose dive and in response lighting it on fire.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I'm sold.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Two words.
Al Davis.
Al Davis.
Justloveit
Footballguy
I don't see much wrong with Randy's comments. He's just one of those guys people have a bad impression of. If Favre says stuff like that people just laugh it off.
I remember last yr on either MNF or SNF Favre was being interveiwed and he was asked how much advice and help he is giving to Aaron Rogers, Favre simply said he isn't doing anything to help Rogers cos noone helped him when he was a rookie and that if he had to do it tough so should Rogers. If someone like Randy says that it would be all over SportsCentre and these message boards about how selfish he is, when Favre said it it was "oh that's just Favre" or "he's just an old school type of guy". The double standards are sickening.
WR is one of the few positions that rely heavily on others getting you into the game. No matter how talented you are if you have a crap QB or a weak Oline you are going to have a minimal effect on the game. I don't think any of us should presume to understand how frustrating that must be. I recall Randy playing hurt the past two seasons. If he's so lazy and selfish why would he even suit up simply act as a decoy? People need to lay off Randy. 99% of us would be thinking the exact same thing he is, he's just not smart enough to keep it to himself. That's all.
I remember last yr on either MNF or SNF Favre was being interveiwed and he was asked how much advice and help he is giving to Aaron Rogers, Favre simply said he isn't doing anything to help Rogers cos noone helped him when he was a rookie and that if he had to do it tough so should Rogers. If someone like Randy says that it would be all over SportsCentre and these message boards about how selfish he is, when Favre said it it was "oh that's just Favre" or "he's just an old school type of guy". The double standards are sickening.
WR is one of the few positions that rely heavily on others getting you into the game. No matter how talented you are if you have a crap QB or a weak Oline you are going to have a minimal effect on the game. I don't think any of us should presume to understand how frustrating that must be. I recall Randy playing hurt the past two seasons. If he's so lazy and selfish why would he even suit up simply act as a decoy? People need to lay off Randy. 99% of us would be thinking the exact same thing he is, he's just not smart enough to keep it to himself. That's all.
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T Man
Footballguy
Because he can't hang himself or Al Davis out to dry and won't hang Tom Walsh.Actually, this is a team that has been in rebellion since they lost the Super Bowl to Tampa. The players have had all of the power. It was given to them by Al Davis. He supported the players and not the staff. The players went directly to him. The head coach meant nothing.Now, all of a sudden, he re-hires Art Shell and expects to discipline the players. The Raiders want all of these players that they have brought in to change drastically. Its not a few players, its most of the players and the team leaders. This is a revolt.In the salary cap era, it won't work. They can't get rid of all of the players. The problem starts at the top. I just wish Moss would have told us why? Remember after the game he said: "Tell them why? Tell them why?" We are all left to assume. But all of the players know the answer.
redman
Footballguy
Bad example for two reasons:1) Favre did catch a lot of flak for that.
2) Favre doesn't have the boneheaded history of taking plays off, getting caught with drugs (in college) and getting thrown out of school, driving with traffic officers as hood ornaments, squirting refs with water bottles, hurting team chemistry, mooning the crowd, etc., etc., etc. that Randy does.
Justloveit
Footballguy
Fair enough. I can't remember Favre getting flak for those comments. I just remember the commentators kinda laughing it off.I'm not saying Moss is the perfect citizen, but I think his reputation is largely unwarranted. People put him in the same group as T.O when he hasn't nearly affected teams the way T.O has. Moss has done some stupid things, you mentioned a few, but he doesn't hurt his teams like some of the other guys he's grouped with do. Who cares if he squirted a ref with water? Big deal. Mooning the crowd? That was funny (unless you're Joe Buck or a GB fan) just ask Dungy, i dunno about hurting team chemistry i cant remember too much of that, he was after all voted as a captain for this yr's Raiders team. 99% of WR's take plays off, last season there was a great shot of Harrison completely dogging a play cos he knew it wasn't coming to him, noone cared about that, nor should they, but when Moss does it it's a big deal. Like I said, he's played hurt for two seasons If he wants to take plays off i'm sure he couldve sat out a few weeks to get completely healthy. Instead he suited up since he knows the big effect he has on opposing defenses. Moss isn't perfect, but he isn't the villain many of you make him out to be.
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BlueOnion
Footballguy
I wouldn't be happy about being 0-3 either.
T Man
Footballguy
I like Favre and am not particularly fond of Randy Moss because of effort. Favre guts it out and Moss doesn't, BUT:1) I really do not remember Favre catching too much flak for his Rodger's comments. He also didn't take too much flak for his comments regarding Walker. As much as I like him, you have to admit he is a bit teflon coated.
2) Actually, Favre did get in trouble with prescription drugs. Since it is the NFLs quiet little secret, it is rarely mentioned. And, I would guess that Favre's comments with Walker last year and Walker's ensuing injury did not assist in team chemistry last year.
That said, Favre is no Moss. Moss does take off plays. He fails to run routes. Of course, like Justlove it said, many WRs do the same thing. I just think, like TO, Moss cannot keep his mouth shut. And, of course, there is a media frenzy.
You have to admit that if Marvin Harrison did something, and Randy did the same thing, and it was considered BAD, the press would be all over Randy, and ignore Marvin. ITs true that his past history causses that, but it also makes people over focus on certain things and blow them out of proportion.
The players in Oakland are unhappy. I just don't think it's Randy's fault. SHould he continue to play and play hard - YES. Should he play up to his talents - YES. But to ignore the greater problem that is the Raiders is simply unfair at this point.
redman
Footballguy
We're basically in agreement. Favre certainly wasn't lambasted in the media the way that, for example, Jeff George would have been had he uttered the identical comment. He still got some criticism. The critical difference with Favre's drug problem was that he came forward and addressed it himself first of all, and second it was a problem that was directly related to football (i.e. Vicodin was prescribed for pain from football injuries) rather than an illegal and recreational drug like the marijuana that Randy got caught with.
redman
Footballguy
TO is on a whole 'nother planet from anyone. I'm convinced that he has mental/emotional problems. It's a pathology for him and not a persona the way that, for example, it was for Deion. I agree that Moss doesn't fragment his team like Owens did, but I remember him sulking when Culpepper struggled, even to the point that Mice Tice instituted the infamous "Randy Ratio". He's just not a team player, but he's one of the highest paid and greatest players in the NFL. Whether he likes it or not people look to him to see what he's doing, and so when he says or does stupid things it's a negative.
Forget fantasy football for a second. As a practical matter for me, Randy's attitude diminishes his value to me as a football player. There are a number of "lesser" WR's in the league who I'd want my team to take over him because of that very reason.
Justloveit
Footballguy
Sorry if my post was misleading. I wasn't trying to compare Moss to Favre in terms of character. I was trying to use an example of how the media react differently to different players. The Favre example was bad since it seems he did cop it for his comments. I think my point still remains though.
Justloveit
Footballguy
I think it takes a very rare type of WR to NOT complain if they aren't getting the ball if they have elite talent. I remember seeing a clip of Michael Irvin saying that he wanted the ball all the time simply because he truly beleived he was the best option on the team, there's a great quote of him saying: "you might think there are other options, but i'm telling you there are no better options", or something like that.
It's almost like to be an elite WR you have to have that selfish trait to want the ball all the time. You'll rarely see guys like Moss complain if their team is winning, it's only if they are losing AND they aren't getting the ball that they start whinging. Simply because they truly believe that if the QB can get the ball into their hands they can turn the game around. I've heard Marvin Harrison himself speak about how if he isn't getting the ball much he starts sulking to Manning. I think the difference is Marvin has a bit more intelligence than guys like T.O and Randy and thus won't shoot their mouth off to reporters dying for a good quote.
There's nothing about Randy's comments that should be perceived as bad. His team sucks and he isn't able to help since he can't get the ball. Forgive me if I think he has a reason to be a bit upset.
It's almost like to be an elite WR you have to have that selfish trait to want the ball all the time. You'll rarely see guys like Moss complain if their team is winning, it's only if they are losing AND they aren't getting the ball that they start whinging. Simply because they truly believe that if the QB can get the ball into their hands they can turn the game around. I've heard Marvin Harrison himself speak about how if he isn't getting the ball much he starts sulking to Manning. I think the difference is Marvin has a bit more intelligence than guys like T.O and Randy and thus won't shoot their mouth off to reporters dying for a good quote.
There's nothing about Randy's comments that should be perceived as bad. His team sucks and he isn't able to help since he can't get the ball. Forgive me if I think he has a reason to be a bit upset.
Big Score
Footballguy
I know a few weeks back Sapp had some pretty telling comments on the Raiders too.
Basically said it wasn't his team so he didn't make the decisions, but he thought it was stupid to have a player that everyone knows can play the game and play well at that, sitting on the bench in timeout. Thinly vieled referrence to Jerry Porter and overall comment on the direction (or lack of diection) of the team.
Why didn't Sapp get lambasted for those comments on Coaches / management?
Basically said it wasn't his team so he didn't make the decisions, but he thought it was stupid to have a player that everyone knows can play the game and play well at that, sitting on the bench in timeout. Thinly vieled referrence to Jerry Porter and overall comment on the direction (or lack of diection) of the team.
Why didn't Sapp get lambasted for those comments on Coaches / management?
Englishteacher
Footballguy
That was a joke of course.kupcho1 said:
skillz
Footballguy
Randy is just trying to motivate the Raiders to trade him somewhere. Problem is that other teams may not want him on their team if he keeps having the attitude of "I'll play when I feel like it." His drop in numbers and injuries over the past few years certainly point to him being on the downside of his career if he does not have a work ethic to stay in shape in order to counteract the fact that he is getting older and his skills are starting to decline.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Moss is certainly frustrated, but he's not going to get dealt, no matter what he says.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Basically he's calling out the coach for not motivating the team, saying nobody else around here appears to give a crap, so why not enjoy life?Seems odd, but in some ways, I agree. He should be a leader of the team, but maybe he just realizes there's things more important than football?(then I remembered, this is Randy Moss, not Tomlinson, Rod Smith, Gonzo or other players who contribute to society in other ways)
phillzphan
Footballguy
umm...I guess you forgot about Inta Juice , Randy Moss' smoothie company, pretty quickly then. Ya know, sometimes people really think too much about the now. Look what he started like 5 months ago!
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