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via rotoworld:

"Rudi Johnson (hamstring) did not resume practicing on Wednesday.

Rudi claimed he missed the Bengals' second exhibition as a precaution, but it appears he's still hurt. The injury is threatening his starting job.

Source: Cincinnati Enquirer "

Rudi Update via Roto

This guy was a top back for 3 straight years; a model of consistency. Due to all of the problems Cincy had last year, coupled with an injury, Rudi dropped off the map. Watson ran well in his absence but is that enough to throw Rudi to the curb? He may have lingering hamstring problems but injuries in football occur all the time...you can't imagine that be any reason to "move on" from that player.

I'm skeptical of the talk of Rudi being done or losing his job. What does everyone else think?

Rudi stats

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Perry stats

 
Rotoworld likes to take innocent news stories and read WAY too much into them.

That being said, it definitely is something to keep an eye on.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Rotoworld likes to take innocent news stories and read WAY too much into them.That being said, it definitely is something to keep an eye on.
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:own3d: Marvin has been worried about Rudi's declining ypc for a while. HE just has all the hallmarks of a good RB on the decline.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Rotoworld likes to take innocent news stories and read WAY too much into them.That being said, it definitely is something to keep an eye on.
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I have the same feeling about Roto. They have great up-to-date snippets on players but their short analysis they provide is generally an overanalysis.I agree it's something to keep an eye on but assuming his hamstring "setback" isn't major and he should be able to go for the start of the season that, I'de imagine, he mainains his starting position.
 
LOCO said:
At this point, I would rather depend on selvin young and the shannigans than old rudi.

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I agree he's not shooting spitwads through straws anymore but he's certainly not over the hill as he's only going to be 29 during the season (October)....I think there's plenty of gas left in him but people are quick to drop someone off the list once they sustain a significant time-eating injury and his recovery is a little slower than anticipated....the season is still 2 weeks away.
 
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It is the Bengals...they could conceivably say something and then change their mind.

That being said, Perry is looking like a great value right now. Darn me for sending him in trade as a "throw in".

 
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Perry eases into top spot

By GEOFF HOBSON

August 20, 2008

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Updated: 4:35 p.m.

If the season opened now, Chris Perry would be your starting running back.



So said Marvin Lewis on Wednesday as he displayed some urgency about the slow progress of injured incumbent starting back Rudi Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh that is going to keep them from playing in the first three preseason games of the season.

Lewis also said that wide receiver Chad Johnson's sprained shoulder has progressed quicker than first thought and Opening Day remains the target.



Asked what Johnson would have to do to win the job back, Lewis said, "I have to see Rudi play and practice, practice, practice and then play."

"Same (with T.J.). I think T.J. needs more (practice) than he thinks," Lewis said. "I think for the runner it's not quite as significant. We want to make sure he can stand it. But I think for T.J. there's more to it. Things change and things have changed and things move within the snap of the football. It's important T.J. gets some snaps and get going. T.J.'s a very smart guy. He understands football very well. He understands the offense and what we do very well. (But) until you do it ... "

Meanwhile Lewis has been impressed with Perry's first full preseason in five NFL seasons.



"Chris feels like the starting running back and he feels very good about that," Lewis said. "Right now that's probably the way we'd enter the season. He's exhibiting it on the practice field, not only in the games he's played but the way he's practiced and that's good to see." ...
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Football Menace said:
According to Bengal.com, looks like Perry will get his chance.

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6968
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from the link...I like how they mention the WR position being thin but don'y mention Henry

If the season opened now, Chris Perry would be your starting running back.

How thin is the receiver position? The Bengals apparently lost their fourth one to injury Tuesday when Marcus Maxwell went down with a torn muscle that threatens to keep him out the first month of the season. Now they'll have to go with Glenn Holt, Antonio Chatman and rookie Jerome Simpson as the top three wides Saturday.
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ffguru56 said:
GroveDiesel said:
Rotoworld likes to take innocent news stories and read WAY too much into them.That being said, it definitely is something to keep an eye on.
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I have the same feeling about Roto. They have great up-to-date snippets on players but their short analysis they provide is generally an overanalysis.I agree it's something to keep an eye on but assuming his hamstring "setback" isn't major and he should be able to go for the start of the season that, I'de imagine, he mainains his starting position.
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I agree with the comments about RotoWorld. But it would be nice to see Rudi Johnson play in a preseason game, especially given last year's struggles with the defective hamstring. At this point, I can't give him the benefit of the doubt any longer. Bad vibes all over this situation.
 
GroveDiesel said:
Rotoworld likes to take innocent news stories and read WAY too much into them.That being said, it definitely is something to keep an eye on.
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Looks like they nailed it pretty good though. Sure, Rudi could step back in, play like he did 3 years ago and everything is back to normal in Cinci. But if he doesn't get his butt back on the field in the preseason, Perry may not let him get back on the field in the regular season...
 
Perry was originally drafted to take over for Dillon (Rudi was a mid-season bridge), so it is about time...

 
Spent $600K on this guy out of my $32 million salary cap on FA night in late July

:goodposting:

Still gonna wait to pick up the option till the season starts for 2009. Only costs me an extra 10% a week. Even 4 weeks in I can resign the guy for less than a mill...

 
After watching last week's game versus Detroit, I thought both backs looked pretty good. I could see both Perry and Watson getting carries but Perry getting the goaline carries between the two.

On weeks where Rudi is indeed available, this running back situation is going to be very muddy. Cinci appears to be a team with a poor defense again, making Rudi a tough start since he isn't known for his receiving abilities.

I have to admit, I thought we were going to see the old Rudi this year but after being burned by Rudi last year, I can't forsee going after him now.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
After watching last week's game versus Detroit, I thought both backs looked pretty good. I could see both Perry and Watson getting carries but Perry getting the goaline carries between the two.On weeks where Rudi is indeed available, this running back situation is going to be very muddy. Cinci appears to be a team with a poor defense again, making Rudi a tough start since he isn't known for his receiving abilities.I have to admit, I thought we were going to see the old Rudi this year but after being burned by Rudi last year, I can't forsee going after him now.
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If Cincy feels good about their #3, Rudi could easily get cut. How much is he being paid this year? The more the $$$ the easier it'll be to cut him loose.
 
Is Perry worth picking up, or is the assumption that one or all of the following will happen: (a) Rudi is motivated to get healthy, (b) Watson and Perry split time, and © Perry gets hurt AGAIN.

Seems like a nice late round gamble in coming drafts, but not sure how I would rate him against other late round picks. I have to decide whether to cut Pierre Thomas, Norwood, or Andre Hall for Perry. Leaning against for the reasons stated above.

 
gheemony said:
Is Perry worth picking up, or is the assumption that one or all of the following will happen: (a) Rudi is motivated to get healthy, (b) Watson and Perry split time, and © Perry gets hurt AGAIN.Seems like a nice late round gamble in coming drafts, but not sure how I would rate him against other late round picks. I have to decide whether to cut Pierre Thomas, Norwood, or Andre Hall for Perry. Leaning against for the reasons stated above.
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I think I would drop Norwood. Seems like he is destined to never carve out a substantial role in the offense, despite rumblings every year that they want to get him more involved. If it doesn't work out you can drop Perry and pick up the next flavor of the month.
 
Rudi's slim-to-none value is coming out too soon. :confused: I was hoping people chasing 06 on back would waste good $ on him.

 
The problem is that Rudi is still on the team and he may not "start" week 1 but he'll definitely play as the season goes on. This looks to be an all out mess....

 
Gopher State said:
blackjack23 said:
Anthony Borbely said:
blackjack23 said:
Watson Perry is the value play here
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Not if everyone reads the latest news. His ADP will go up drastically. Watson put up solid RB2 #s last year and lets not forget that Mr. Perry is made out of glass.
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Very :confused: Can't see Perry playing more then 4/5 games before he is hurt. I agree Watson is the one to get on the cheap ;)
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I don't understand statements like this. Hasn't one injury that wasn't really treated properly been the thing that has kept him shelved the last 2 seasons? The ankle is finally healed. What makes anyone think that Perry's injury risk is any higher than any other NFL RB?
 
CrossEyed said:
Gopher State said:
blackjack23 said:
Anthony Borbely said:
blackjack23 said:
Watson Perry is the value play here
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Not if everyone reads the latest news. His ADP will go up drastically. Watson put up solid RB2 #s last year and lets not forget that Mr. Perry is made out of glass.
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Very :goodposting: Can't see Perry playing more then 4/5 games before he is hurt. I agree Watson is the one to get on the cheap :popcorn:
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I don't understand statements like this. Hasn't one injury that wasn't really treated properly been the thing that has kept him shelved the last 2 seasons? The ankle is finally healed. What makes anyone think that Perry's injury risk is any higher than any other NFL RB?
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it's easy to get carried away with the injury history because he's been non-existent for so long. but, he's finally showing signs of being 100%. if that's truly the case, let everyone continue to predict injuries. keeps him cheap for others...
 
I don't know if I'm looking at a typo, or what, but what I'm seeing is 50 catches in '05 for 300 yds in 14 games.

(while only carrying the ball 60x)

 
IMO the peak of the Bengal's offense was a few years ago during Perry's 50 catch season. Just before he was hurt the Bengal's offense seemed unstoppable. They used CJ deep, TJ over the middle and Perry short. Their passing game was phenomenal. Since Perry has gone done they have lost that explosiveness.

I think if Perry stays healthy this is an upgrade across the board for the Bengal's offense. I still think the team will likely be a non-playoff team but their offense should be much more fun to watch and better from a fantasy perspective with Perry compared to Rudi.

 
Ned said:
CrossEyed said:
Gopher State said:
blackjack23 said:
Anthony Borbely said:
blackjack23 said:
Watson Perry is the value play here
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Not if everyone reads the latest news. His ADP will go up drastically. Watson put up solid RB2 #s last year and lets not forget that Mr. Perry is made out of glass.
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Very :hophead: Can't see Perry playing more then 4/5 games before he is hurt. I agree Watson is the one to get on the cheap :shrug:
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I don't understand statements like this. Hasn't one injury that wasn't really treated properly been the thing that has kept him shelved the last 2 seasons? The ankle is finally healed. What makes anyone think that Perry's injury risk is any higher than any other NFL RB?
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it's easy to get carried away with the injury history because he's been non-existent for so long. but, he's finally showing signs of being 100%. if that's truly the case, let everyone continue to predict injuries. keeps him cheap for others...
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Hey Ned,I agree, after watching him play for a couple of preseason games, he looks fine. It seems like any RB that gets injured gets that label and it takes awhile for them to lose that stigma. Fred Taylor for years had that type of reputation and only through play a couple years of not getting hurt did he lose it. Porcelin Portis used to have it.

The truth is, any back can get hurt and you're almost lucky if you draft one early and he doesn't. The NFL is a brutal sport and the RB's take a serious toll each and every week.

I do agree that it does seem some players tend to get hurt more than others, maybe it's wear and tear, maybe it's concussions that seem to add up but I'm not sure that's Perry. If you draft Perry, be prepared if he does happen to get hurt to read/hear about the one liners about him, the I told you so's but at this point, he seems like the guy to draft if the price is right.

I don't care what any ADP says about any of these backs in Cinci, the situation is new. Perry hasn't been going high enough, if at all and it appears now that Rudi who I thought was decent value in the 5th now has actually been going to high. I guess Watson's been going about right all along.

Still, it's muddied waters at the RB situation in Cinci, it's not like Rudi is out for the year or anything. I view Cinci tonight as a full blown RBBC.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Ned said:
CrossEyed said:
Gopher State said:
blackjack23 said:
Anthony Borbely said:
blackjack23 said:
Watson Perry is the value play here
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Fixed
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Not if everyone reads the latest news. His ADP will go up drastically. Watson put up solid RB2 #s last year and lets not forget that Mr. Perry is made out of glass.
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Very :mellow: Can't see Perry playing more then 4/5 games before he is hurt. I agree Watson is the one to get on the cheap :goodposting:
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I don't understand statements like this. Hasn't one injury that wasn't really treated properly been the thing that has kept him shelved the last 2 seasons? The ankle is finally healed. What makes anyone think that Perry's injury risk is any higher than any other NFL RB?
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it's easy to get carried away with the injury history because he's been non-existent for so long. but, he's finally showing signs of being 100%. if that's truly the case, let everyone continue to predict injuries. keeps him cheap for others...
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Hey Ned,I agree, after watching him play for a couple of preseason games, he looks fine. It seems like any RB that gets injured gets that label and it takes awhile for them to lose that stigma. Fred Taylor for years had that type of reputation and only through play a couple years of not getting hurt did he lose it. Porcelin Portis used to have it.

The truth is, any back can get hurt and you're almost lucky if you draft one early and he doesn't. The NFL is a brutal sport and the RB's take a serious toll each and every week.

I do agree that it does seem some players tend to get hurt more than others, maybe it's wear and tear, maybe it's concussions that seem to add up but I'm not sure that's Perry. If you draft Perry, be prepared if he does happen to get hurt to read/hear about the one liners about him, the I told you so's but at this point, he seems like the guy to draft if the price is right.

I don't care what any ADP says about any of these backs in Cinci, the situation is new. Perry hasn't been going high enough, if at all and it appears now that Rudi who I thought was decent value in the 5th now has actually been going to high. I guess Watson's been going about right all along.

Still, it's muddied waters at the RB situation in Cinci, it's not like Rudi is out for the year or anything. I view Cinci tonight as a full blown RBBC.
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agreed. it's just a matter of weighing the risk and letting the value come to you. i'd be interested to see a trend line of perry's value over the past month+.
 
Perry(26) is the play in Dynasty. Watson is 30+ and has really never done much. Rudi is still just 29 but I am losing faith each day he sits!

 
Addai said:
TheFanatic said:
Spent $600K on this guy out of my $32 million salary cap on FA night in late July :coffee: Still gonna wait to pick up the option till the season starts for 2009. Only costs me an extra 10% a week. Even 4 weeks in I can resign the guy for less than a mill...
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The point is that I'm excited about the recent news, I am not going to sign the guy into 2009 until I see it on the field for a few weeks in the regular season in 2008. With the first three games being @Balt, Tenn, @NYG I would say that those games are going to be a good test of his durability. He makes it through those 3 games I'll pick up his option. Till then we all need to temper our excitement just a bit and realize all we have is a guy that hasn't played in a couple of years with huge upside as well as a real chance of playing a couple of games and going on the IR.
 
TheFanatic said:
Quotes from the article:

Perry eases into top spot

By GEOFF HOBSON

August 20, 2008

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Updated: 4:35 p.m.

If the season opened now, Chris Perry would be your starting running back.



So said Marvin Lewis on Wednesday as he displayed some urgency about the slow progress of injured incumbent starting back Rudi Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh that is going to keep them from playing in the first three preseason games of the season.

Lewis also said that wide receiver Chad Johnson's sprained shoulder has progressed quicker than first thought and Opening Day remains the target.



Asked what Johnson would have to do to win the job back, Lewis said, "I have to see Rudi play and practice, practice, practice and then play."

"Same (with T.J.). I think T.J. needs more (practice) than he thinks," Lewis said. "I think for the runner it's not quite as significant. We want to make sure he can stand it. But I think for T.J. there's more to it. Things change and things have changed and things move within the snap of the football. It's important T.J. gets some snaps and get going. T.J.'s a very smart guy. He understands football very well. He understands the offense and what we do very well. (But) until you do it ... "

Meanwhile Lewis has been impressed with Perry's first full preseason in five NFL seasons.



"Chris feels like the starting running back and he feels very good about that," Lewis said. "Right now that's probably the way we'd enter the season. He's exhibiting it on the practice field, not only in the games he's played but the way he's practiced and that's good to see." ...
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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What makes this hard to take at face value is that he seems to be saying the same things about T-Hous. Does anyone out there honestly beleive that Hous is not going to start week 1 if he can, practice or not?
 
sholditch said:
TheFanatic said:
Quotes from the article:

Perry eases into top spot

By GEOFF HOBSON

August 20, 2008

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Updated: 4:35 p.m.

If the season opened now, Chris Perry would be your starting running back.



So said Marvin Lewis on Wednesday as he displayed some urgency about the slow progress of injured incumbent starting back Rudi Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh that is going to keep them from playing in the first three preseason games of the season.

Lewis also said that wide receiver Chad Johnson's sprained shoulder has progressed quicker than first thought and Opening Day remains the target.



Asked what Johnson would have to do to win the job back, Lewis said, "I have to see Rudi play and practice, practice, practice and then play."

"Same (with T.J.). I think T.J. needs more (practice) than he thinks," Lewis said. "I think for the runner it's not quite as significant. We want to make sure he can stand it. But I think for T.J. there's more to it. Things change and things have changed and things move within the snap of the football. It's important T.J. gets some snaps and get going. T.J.'s a very smart guy. He understands football very well. He understands the offense and what we do very well. (But) until you do it ... "

Meanwhile Lewis has been impressed with Perry's first full preseason in five NFL seasons.



"Chris feels like the starting running back and he feels very good about that," Lewis said. "Right now that's probably the way we'd enter the season. He's exhibiting it on the practice field, not only in the games he's played but the way he's practiced and that's good to see." ...
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What makes this hard to take at face value is that he seems to be saying the same things about T-Hous. Does anyone out there honestly beleive that Hous is not going to start week 1 if he can, practice or not?
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I agree to an extent, but the situations are different. Rudi was pretty ineffective last year and Perry has great talent when healthy. TJ has nobody behind him that could realistically take his place.
 
Wow, I must admit to not having paid enough attention to this particular situation. I've just gone about my business that Johnson would be a starter (albeit not a super effective one) and Watson would catch a ton of passes as the 3rd down option. I may need to rejigger this quite a bit.

 
Seems like the value play is to wait until the late rounds and, if Perry is there, take him.

I don't know that I want to look towards any of the three as even my RB4.

 
TheFanatic said:
Spent $600K on this guy out of my $32 million salary cap on FA night in late July :thumbdown: Still gonna wait to pick up the option till the season starts for 2009. Only costs me an extra 10% a week. Even 4 weeks in I can resign the guy for less than a mill...
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