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Chaz Schilens hopes to return week 2 (1 Viewer)

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gbill2004

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Is this timetable realistic, and is he worth a pickup??

Chaz Schilens is hoping to return from his broken fifth metatarsal in time for Week 2.He's already ruled out for Sunday's tilt with San Diego, which rookie Louis Murphy will start. "I’d say it’s on schedule," Schilens said. "Everything is settled, the bone is healing well." He added that his return date will come down to a pain-tolerance issue. The Raiders visit the Chiefs in Week 2. Source: Oakland Tribune
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I still like the guy, he and Russell looked like they had a rapport building in what limited action they say together, I really like him in PPR, I took him yesterday with my second to last pick.

When I look over that WR corps, there are 2 rookies, a special teams guy and a rehabbing Walker. Aside from Zach Miller I have a hard time making an argument for any of those WRs to step up and take away a lot of looks from him when he returns.

 
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This was posted August 19 - week 2 would put him right around 4 weeks.

Schilens underwent surgery Wednesday to correct the broken fifth metatarsal bone in his foot and is out 4-6 weeks.We probably won't see him before Week 3. In retrospect, Schilens' injury is more severe than Donnie Avery's. Avery didn't need surgery and broke only the fourth metatarsal, whereas Schilens fractured the trickier fifth. Schilens was terrific in the preseason opener, but is no longer draftable in 10-team leagues. He's not a good bet to make an impact before Weeks 7-8.
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He was said to be out for 6-8 weeks on August 18. If he were only out 6 weeks that would put him back for week four. A week two return would have him recovering in approximately four weeks.

 
Everything I've read about this type of foot injury is not good for him to make an impact this season. 6-8 weeks for it to heal but that does not mean the foot is ready to handle the pounding and cutting. I plan to stay away and let someone else take the risk.

 
puckalicious said:
Everything I've read about this type of foot injury is not good for him to make an impact this season. 6-8 weeks for it to heal but that does not mean the foot is ready to handle the pounding and cutting. I plan to stay away and let someone else take the risk.
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This is why I'm afraid to draft him even late in a re-draft unless I have the room. Nice keeper potential though. By the time he is ready to start this year, I'd be afraid that he would be ineffective or re-injure himself in a game that I need to win to make the playoffs if my league standings are close.
 
PLAYER TO WATCH: WR Chaz Schilens - Schilens was the most productive player in training camp right up to the point where he broke a metacarpal in his left foot. He should return after missing a game or two and immediately be a go-to receiver for JaMarcus Russell

WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters - Chaz Schilens, Darrius Heyward-Bey. Backups - Johnnie Lee Higgins, Louis Murphy, Javon Walker, Nick Miller, Todd Watkins, Jonathan Holland.

Until breaking the fifth-metatarsal in his left foot, Schilens was the Raiders' most consistent offensive player, catching everything in sight, short or long, whether he was covered or not. His return, anticipated after two or three games, gives Russell a jump-and-catch target for first downs and touchdowns. Heyward-Bey, his coaches believe, is already paying dividends in terms of drawing double teams. Next step is to catch the ball consistently. Higgins is a favorite for bubble screens and drag routes, and his four TDs receiving led the team last year. Murphy appears to be a more polished receiver than Heyward-Bey, a bargain in the fourth round, although ball-security was an issue in preseason. The wild card is Walker, who had offseason knee surgery and says he is pain free for the first time in three years. Watkins, on the roster last season, vies with Holland and Miller (an undrafted rookie free agent) if the Raiders go to six at the position.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...iders/notes.htm

 
Michael Fox said:
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even a type 1 takes 6-8 weeks to recover - doesn't look good for this season: http://www.drfoot.co.uk/fractures_fifth_metatarsal.htm.
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The link you provided explicitly says that this type of injury takes 6-8 weeks to recover from. How does that "not look good for this season"? Or to be more specific, what did you read in that link that tells you this "doesn't look good for this season"?
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Seriously. Its a broken bone. Once they heal a guy is usually good to go.
 
I don't know why folks are against grabbing Chaz. He is probably on most WWs right now or as a WR5 in a draft. I know most team's WR5 gets cut a handful of times in my league throughout the season. There is no risk.

 
I've been able to stash him on IR. If your league lets you stash those who are listed as "out" this is a solid move.

*** Can also do the same with Vick or Lynch, which will give you extra roster space ***

 
Michael Fox said:
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even a type 1 takes 6-8 weeks to recover - doesn't look good for this season: http://www.drfoot.co.uk/fractures_fifth_metatarsal.htm.
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The link you provided explicitly says that this type of injury takes 6-8 weeks to recover from. How does that "not look good for this season"? Or to be more specific, what did you read in that link that tells you this "doesn't look good for this season"?
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There was a post where they listed a bunch of Euro soccer players I believe that had the same injury, they all had the same expected time to heal as Chaz, it appeared that all of them took much longer to heal than expected, stuff like 9 weeks, 14 weeks, 23 weeks, 36 weeks, etc; I have no way of knowing if Chaz is lucky or not but that post made me pretty much write him off for at least the first half of this season.
 
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Michael Fox said:
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even a type 1 takes 6-8 weeks to recover - doesn't look good for this season: http://www.drfoot.co.uk/fractures_fifth_metatarsal.htm.
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The link you provided explicitly says that this type of injury takes 6-8 weeks to recover from. How does that "not look good for this season"? Or to be more specific, what did you read in that link that tells you this "doesn't look good for this season"?
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There was a post where they listed a bunch of Euro soccer players I believe that had the same injury, they all had the same expected time to heal as Chaz, it appeared that all of them took much longer to heal than expected, stuff like 9 weeks, 14 weeks, 23 weeks, 36 weeks, etc; I have no way of knowing if Chaz is lucky or not but that post made me pretty much write him off for at least the first half of this season.
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Thank you, that is interesting info. Any idea where you saw the post? TIA.
 
Michael Fox said:
Multiple Scores said:
Michael Fox said:
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even a type 1 takes 6-8 weeks to recover - doesn't look good for this season: http://www.drfoot.co.uk/fractures_fifth_metatarsal.htm.
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The link you provided explicitly says that this type of injury takes 6-8 weeks to recover from. How does that "not look good for this season"? Or to be more specific, what did you read in that link that tells you this "doesn't look good for this season"?
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There was a post where they listed a bunch of Euro soccer players I believe that had the same injury, they all had the same expected time to heal as Chaz, it appeared that all of them took much longer to heal than expected, stuff like 9 weeks, 14 weeks, 23 weeks, 36 weeks, etc; I have no way of knowing if Chaz is lucky or not but that post made me pretty much write him off for at least the first half of this season.
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Thank you, that is interesting info. Any idea where you saw the post? TIA.
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...816&hl=chaz Post #17
 
Multiple Scores said:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...816&hl=chaz Post #17
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Excellent info, thanks. I remember reading that post at some point....
RECOVERY TIMES

Michael Owen (2006): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 17 weeks later

Wayne Rooney (2004): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 8 weeks returned 14 weeks later

David Beckham (2002): Second metatarsal - predicted 6 weeks returned 7 weeks later

Gary Neville (2002): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 21 weeks later

Ashley Cole (2005): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 12 weeks later

Scott Parker (2004): Second metatarsal - predicted 8 weeks returned 34 weeks later

Danny Murphy (2002): Second metatarsal - predicted 6 weeks returned 21 weeks later

Steven Gerrard (2004): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 10 weeks later

RECOVERY

It all depends on the damage and which metatarsal bone is involved. It is impossible to put a timescale on recovery from a stress injury.

After initial rest, the training techniques or body mechanics may need minor tweaking or a major haul to avoid a repeat injury.

With an impact fracture, after the plaster and protective boot is not needed (usually after 4-6 weeks), it will be a case of exercise and increasing weight-bearing activities.

Ice packs, strapping and even the use of oxygen tents can be used to assist recovery.

Full return to action can be anything from another four weeks and upwards - depending on the extent of initial damage. Young bones heal quicker.

One factor that also helps is if the broken bone is one of the three inner metatarsals. As was the case with Rooney.

This means that the fourth metatarsal is aided by the 'splint effect' of the bones on either side.

Preston's David Nugent broke his fifth metatarsal in March 2006 and returned to action after being sidelined for just six weeks.

His remedy? Drink plenty of milk.
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Soccer is a different sport from football--you use your feet a ton and whack it against a ball. It is possible that it will be easier to return as a receiver than it would be as a soccer player.

For now I am taking his reports at face value--it sounds like it will be a pain management issue. He is a great player to stash away for the second half of the season and the playoff run in any case. That team is bad--they will have to pass alot and other than Miller and the HBs there isn't anyone on that team who can catch nearly as well as Schillens.

 
Grab Schilens.

I drafted him in the last round of my draft the week after he got hurt knowing that when he came back he would be a solid fill in starter for byes and injuries.

Do it.

 
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even though its from a year ago, says he doeesnt have very good route running skills - has he improved in this regard: http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/48.html.
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No offense to Raiders fans, but I don't think JaMarcus knows if someone has run a route correctly anyway. I think he drops back, looks around, sees someone open and launches a missile at them. What you're looking for here is the guy who gets open and can catch those balls. If that's Schilens, great.I personally think Murphy has stepped up and is getting some valuable reps on the field right now....just my gut feeling.

 
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I like what Murphy did last night. If that earlier TD counted he might be one of the hottest pick ups this week. (would of been 5 recs, 106 yds 2 TDs)

DHB can not catch! man.....

 
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Haberdasher said:
gbill2004 said:
Read this - even though its from a year ago, says he doeesnt have very good route running skills - has he improved in this regard: http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/48.html.
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No offense to Raiders fans, but I don't think JaMarcus knows if someone has run a route correctly anyway. I think he drops back, looks around, sees someone open and launches a missile at them. What you're looking for here is the guy who gets open and can catch those balls. If that's Schilens, great.I personally think Murphy has stepped up and is getting some valuable reps on the field right now....just my gut feeling.
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Murphy is a speedster, deep threat guy. He'll maybe catch one or two a game and the coach has said when Schillens comes back he replaces Murphy. Schillens is a possession Wr-- and Russell threw to him early and often in that first preseason game.
 
Why can't Schilens and Murphy both start? Heyward-Bey could be a #3 situational deep threat ala Devery Henderson. If Russell can become more accurate, the Raiders might have the makings of a very good young offense.

 
travdogg said:
Why can't Schilens and Murphy both start? Heyward-Bey could be a #3 situational deep threat ala Devery Henderson. If Russell can become more accurate, the Raiders might have the makings of a very good young offense.
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Because Oakland spent alot of money on Heward-Bey and he is starting on the other si that simple.
 
And they also spent A LOT of money. I am not sure what alot of money is?

az_prof said:
travdogg said:
Why can't Schilens and Murphy both start? Heyward-Bey could be a #3 situational deep threat ala Devery Henderson. If Russell can become more accurate, the Raiders might have the makings of a very good young offense.
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Because Oakland spent alot of money on Heward-Bey and he is starting on the other si that simple.
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Would you consider Schilens a viable WR#2 or #3 when he comes back? What type of #'s do you see from him.

 
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