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C.J. Spiller could be climbing the ladder....talk of teams (1 Viewer)

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maccabees

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ing-the-ladder/

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.

 
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Love the 'Abra' icon. I wouldn't consider it a huge reach for him to go top 10. I'd consider a bit far-fetched to see a team outside of the top 10 trade up to grab him though.

 
My 1.01 is getting more valuable by the day......I hope this juicy info keep coming across the wire all the way up to the draft. DezB, please light it up tomorrow at your personal workout......Puhhhhhh-leeeeez?

 
maccabees said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ing-the-ladder/

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.
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Or more likely, teams are blowing smoke about moving up to grab Spiller so that some other team grabs him and their player slides down to them....(e.g., Giants really want LB McClain, everyone knows this, right???)
 
kremenull said:
maccabees said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ing-the-ladder/

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.
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Or more likely, teams are blowing smoke about moving up to grab Spiller so that some other team grabs him and their player slides down to them....(e.g., Giants really want LB McClain, everyone knows this, right???)
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With all our defensive needs, we're really not considering trying to trade up to grab CJ, are we...?
 
JPeso said:
Love the 'Abra' icon. I wouldn't consider it a huge reach for him to go top 10. I'd consider a bit far-fetched to see a team outside of the top 10 trade up to grab him though.
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agree with this. Still feel he'll land in Seattle with their second pick though. Petey did pretty well with a similar talent a few years ago
 
kremenull said:
maccabees said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ing-the-ladder/

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.
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Or more likely, teams are blowing smoke about moving up to grab Spiller so that some other team grabs him and their player slides down to them....(e.g., Giants really want LB McClain, everyone knows this, right???)
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Weatherspoon makes more sense to me since the Giants switched to the Tampa 2 defense. He is a perfect fit for that defense. If you watched him in the senior bowl, he was all over the field. He even blanketed Mcluster on a wheel route and almost picked off the pass.
 
NO WAY we do this. Reese has had golden drafts since becoming the Giants GM and has also made great FA and roster moves. I can't see him making such a bold move with such pressing defensive needs.

 
Mikey16x said:
NO WAY we do this. Reese has had golden drafts since becoming the Giants GM and has also made great FA and roster moves. I can't see him making such a bold move with such pressing defensive needs.
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Agree, I would be stunned if the Giants went RB early. They are pretty deep at the position and have other needs.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...l-attend-draft/

Clemson RB C.J. Spiller has reportedly accepted an invite to New York for the first round of April's NFL Draft.

This somewhat meshes with a Profootballtalk.com report Monday that Spiller was likely headed for the top-ten picks.

The NFL makes sure to extensively research players' draft stocks before inviting them. So far, Spiller is the only running back set to attend. Most of the prospects in New York will be linemen.

 
Would be stunned at this point if he didn't go in the top 15 picks. Someone will love him as a multi-talented (RB/KR/PR) weapon.

I think we all saw the impact Deviin Hester made his rookie year. I think in the worst case [obviously isn't likely to score that many TD's], CJ is that.

 
gman8343 said:
Mikey16x said:
NO WAY we do this. Reese has had golden drafts since becoming the Giants GM and has also made great FA and roster moves. I can't see him making such a bold move with such pressing defensive needs.
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Agree, I would be stunned if the Giants went RB early. They are pretty deep at the position and have other needs.
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Im not a Giants fan but i would be shiocked as well. Sounds like the Giants are doing a bit of fibbing, maybe they have there eye on someone else, Mcclain maybe?
 
I wrote a thread last year that said the Ronnie Brown era would be coming to an end, this was before the 2nd foot injury that ended his year last year. Miami has a really strong run blocking OL, Parcells has spent a fortune on it...32 year old Ricky WIlliams actually looked like he was 25 last year at times behind that OL. It needs a home run threat more than anything.

I would not put it past Miami to take a speed back but I think they could probably settle for Best in round 2...maybe move up a bit int he 2nd to secure him. Don't get mem wrong, I will embrace the guy as a fan, we need some offensive pop and to make defenses pay for some of these holes that our OL is blowing thru the defense. We couldn't exploit those holes last year so I think Miami is looking for speed at RB.

I would still like to see them shor up the dsefense with the 1st pick...they did blow a 2nd rounder on White last year and that seems like a big waste right now. Not sure what they were thinking.

 
theglorydays said:
kremenull said:
maccabees said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ing-the-ladder/

There's a sense in some league circles that only a truly special running back is worthy of a top-ten draft pick.

If so, it means that some regard Clemson's C.J. Spiller as a truly special running back.

We're hearing talk of teams possibly trying to invade the lower reaches of the top 10 in order to get a crack at Spiller, with rumors currently focusing on the Dolphins and the Giants.

The Dolphins currently hold the No. 12 pick; the Giants are at 15.

Since 2006, only three running backs have been chosen among the first 10 selections: Darren McFadden, No. 4 in 2008, Adrian Peterson, No. 7 in 2007, and Reggie Bush, No. 2 in 2006. In 2005, three running back were taken in the top five.

That year, the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown with the second overall pick. If the rumors are true, they could be looking to supplant Brown with Spiller.
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Or more likely, teams are blowing smoke about moving up to grab Spiller so that some other team grabs him and their player slides down to them....(e.g., Giants really want LB McClain, everyone knows this, right???)
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Weatherspoon makes more sense to me since the Giants switched to the Tampa 2 defense. He is a perfect fit for that defense. If you watched him in the senior bowl, he was all over the field. He even blanketed Mcluster on a wheel route and almost picked off the pass.
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This could happen and then you'd have to say the NYG are a team that drafts for need. Spiller is a top 10 player, Weatherspoon is a top 40-50 player. Taking Spiller at 15 would be good value while taking Weatherspoon at 15 would be horrible value. With that said, I wouldn't be shocked.
 
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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:shrug: I agree with everything you just said, I would just add that there is a potential for even more.
 
Multiple Scores said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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:rant: I agree with everything you just said, I would just add that there is a potential for even more.
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Agree but it took guys like Harrison, Felix, Charles...those guys didn't really get going their 1st year in the league. Those time frames may be collapsing as this is a copycat league so teams are going to try and make a tandem at RB. Look at New Orleans last year and the Steelers the year before...neither had a dominant runner in the Super Bowl. Forgot to add Ray Rice into this mix...whatever team he signs with and no matter what they have at RB already, you can plan on Spiller likely getting about 40-50% of the work depending on who drafts him obviously. He won't be standing around returning punts and kick offs only.
 
If the 2 QB's, both DT's and the three top OT's are off the board by the time the Bills select at 9 then I would be happy if they chose to trade down. That way we could still get one of those OT's that are not in the first tier or even grab one of the NT's in this draft. I would even be happy if the Bills possibly took Dez Bryant or maybe even Tebow if they trade down enough.

I know a lot of people are not high on Tebow but in Chan Gaileys offense I can see Tebow being a pretty good QB. Did anyone think Thigpen was gonna put up the numbers he did while with Gailey? And I think Tebow is far greater of a talent then Thigpen.

So hopefully the Bills will be someones trade partner if all the players I want them to get are all gone. Spiller at 1.9 to a team that trades up to get him would be a nice 1.1.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
 
gman8343 said:
Mikey16x said:
NO WAY we do this. Reese has had golden drafts since becoming the Giants GM and has also made great FA and roster moves. I can't see him making such a bold move with such pressing defensive needs.
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Agree, I would be stunned if the Giants went RB early. They are pretty deep at the position and have other needs.
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It would be a shock if the Giants don't draft the LB... if hes still there. But I don't see them taking an RB with their 1st or 2nd, its just not the way they do things.
 
Sabertooth said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
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I understand what you are saying now. You're not trying to compare him exactly to Felix but simply asking why he is any better of a prospect. That's a great question and I think it will depend on when and who drafts him. Could Felix do more with more carries on another team? Not so sure but Spiller will be used immediately by whoever drafts him. Dallas took Felix at something like the 1.24 maybe or thereabouts...they were good before Felix got there. SPiller will likely be looked at as a slightly bigger piece of the pie to whoever drafts him. He could be used like Bush was in year 1 and 2 where he racked a ton of catches. Someone to keep on your radar Sabe :wall:
 
Sabertooth said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
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:wall: Outside of those rookie projected numbers are higher than Felix Jones has posted in either season thus far.The problem with both Felix and Spiller supporters....is they are expecting a consistent Chris Johnson light #'s....that just isn't realistic with their body types and game. Look at Steve Slaton....he wore down with injuries a little after one season and who knows if he will ever be the same.
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Sabertooth said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
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:blackdot: Outside of those rookie projected numbers are higher than Felix Jones has posted in either season thus far.The problem with both Felix and Spiller supporters....is they are expecting a consistent Chris Johnson light #'s....that just isn't realistic with their body types and game. Look at Steve Slaton....he wore down with injuries a little after one season and who knows if he will ever be the same.
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Chris Johnson has managed to stay healthy with a similar build.
 
Go deep said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Sabertooth said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
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:blackdot: Outside of those rookie projected numbers are higher than Felix Jones has posted in either season thus far.The problem with both Felix and Spiller supporters....is they are expecting a consistent Chris Johnson light #'s....that just isn't realistic with their body types and game. Look at Steve Slaton....he wore down with injuries a little after one season and who knows if he will ever be the same.
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Chris Johnson has managed to stay healthy with a similar build.
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Chris Johnson finishes runs and runs with much more power.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground.

Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands.

Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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Jones weighs 218 lbs. and Harrison 205. You did get Charles right though.

 
Outside of those rookie projected numbers are higher than Felix Jones has posted in either season thus far.

The problem with both Felix and Spiller supporters....is they are expecting a consistent Chris Johnson light #'s....that just isn't realistic with their body types and game. Look at Steve Slaton....he wore down with injuries a little after one season and who knows if he will ever be the same.

Chris Johnson has managed to stay healthy with a similar build.

Chris Johnson finishes runs and runs with much more power.

So finishing runs helps him stay healthy? :lmao:

 
Go deep said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground.

Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands.

Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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Jones weighs 218 lbs. and Harrison 205. You did get Charles right though.
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I never knew Felix was close to 220 and Harrison is like 195...when was that weight recorded? Maybe in the off season but he's small bro.I guess most prototypical 20+ carry types in the NFL are about 5'10" 5'11" 215-220 lbs, that seems to be the protypical franchise RB. now things have changed a lot but a guy 2 inches taller and 10-20 lbs lighter has a much different build.

If you don't see the NFL and the way they copycat, right now there is a push for 2 backs. One that pounda and can close the games out. The old 20+ carry guy has sort of becoem the 15-17 carry guy and on weeks where they win he might touch the ball with a few more carries. And then yu have a guy that eats up about 35% or more of the touches and his specialty is all about speed and breaking big plays.

If I am off on weight a few pounds my bad, but the principle of what I am posting should still be clear.

Are you trying to say Spiller is not a good prospect? Just come out with it and use your weight stats if you wantl. Right now it just seems like you are getting nit picky on wieghts but can you not see how Spiller is being compared to other faster backs? I'm not trying to endorse him like a Chris Johnson, in fact he is a far cry from it. But he does look like someone will snatch him up early and put him to good use. He may not be as talented as some other speedy backs but if he is given more touches to work with then he climbs the ladder more in my book.

What are your thoughts on Spiller?

 
Go deep said:
So finishing runs helps him stay healthy? :lmao:
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Well that is a bigger question than we currently have.Chris Johnson has a different running style than both Felix and Spiller. He finishes more runs(even though Felix does more of this than Spiller). The only things they have in common is speed, size, and elusiveness. Yes Chris Johnson surprisingly has power and that allows him to gain the numbers that he has. Also by hitting the other player instead of just getting hit....it helps with numbers and lets a player be more healthy.
 
Teams will regret taking a guy like Spiller over Jon Dwyer...check back in three years, of course...

Chris Johnson is a fluke/freak of nature, ie being able to take a beating at his size, and from what I've seen of Spiller, I don't think he has the "it" that the scat-back types need to be a 15-20+ touch RB in the NFL. Time will tell, but I don't like the cut of Spiller's jib.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Go deep said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground.

Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands.

Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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Jones weighs 218 lbs. and Harrison 205. You did get Charles right though.
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I never knew Felix was close to 220 and Harrison is like 195...when was that weight recorded? Maybe in the off season but he's small bro.I guess most prototypical 20+ carry types in the NFL are about 5'10" 5'11" 215-220 lbs, that seems to be the protypical franchise RB. now things have changed a lot but a guy 2 inches taller and 10-20 lbs lighter has a much different build.

If you don't see the NFL and the way they copycat, right now there is a push for 2 backs. One that pounda and can close the games out. The old 20+ carry guy has sort of becoem the 15-17 carry guy and on weeks where they win he might touch the ball with a few more carries. And then yu have a guy that eats up about 35% or more of the touches and his specialty is all about speed and breaking big plays.

If I am off on weight a few pounds my bad, but the principle of what I am posting should still be clear.

Are you trying to say Spiller is not a good prospect? Just come out with it and use your weight stats if you wantl. Right now it just seems like you are getting nit picky on wieghts but can you not see how Spiller is being compared to other faster backs? I'm not trying to endorse him like a Chris Johnson, in fact he is a far cry from it. But he does look like someone will snatch him up early and put him to good use. He may not be as talented as some other speedy backs but if he is given more touches to work with then he climbs the ladder more in my book.

What are your thoughts on Spiller?
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Well, you were off on Felix by 20 lbs, which is more than a few. Doesnt really matter though, because i dont think weight has anything to do with durabilty. All RB's are injury prone, thats why they dont last past 30. To me, the most talented back on the roster is going to get the majority of the touches. Of course like you said, every team in the NFL is in some sort of RBBC, but when the games on the line, a team is going to want their best player out there. It was obvious during CJ's rookie year, the Titans wanted to limit his touches, which they were able to do. In 2009, they didnt do that because they couldnt afford to have an inferior player on the field. The same thing could happen to Jones, Charles, or Spiller. Im not saying those players are as good as CJ, but i think they all have the talent to be top 10 FF backs given the opportunity.
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Go deep said:
So finishing runs helps him stay healthy? :yes:
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Well that is a bigger question than we currently have.

Chris Johnson has a different running style than both Felix and Spiller. He finishes more runs(even though Felix does more of this than Spiller). The only things they have in common is speed, size, and elusiveness. Yes Chris Johnson surprisingly has power and that allows him to gain the numbers that he has. Also by hitting the other player instead of just getting hit....it helps with numbers and lets a player be more healthy.
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Are you just making stuff up now? I know i am going to get flamed for this, but the only thing i have seen Chris Johnson do that Felix hasnt is stay healthy and have less competition for touches. I know thats a big deal, but its exciting to think about what Felix can do if he stays healthy.

 
Does anyone have a link to where they ran Clifford up the middle and he just fell down? Everyone says this bit all the film I have seem, there were zero holes between te tackles and he made the most of em by bouncing the outside.

 
Mikey16x said:
NO WAY we do this. Reese has had golden drafts since becoming the Giants GM and has also made great FA and roster moves. I can't see him making such a bold move with such pressing defensive needs.
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I know that early in the offseason, the Dolphins were rumored to have McClain at the top of their board to fill their ILB need. Not sure if that's still the case, having acquired Dansby. However some think that he's still at the top of the board for the Dolphins with their #12. If the NYG truly covet him at the #15, then perhaps they are just blowing smoke about Spiller hoping that some team, esp. the Dolphins, take the bait. With Ronnie Brown's injury history, recent DUI, and Ricky's lame duck season... It wouldn't be a surprise to see the Phins go running back at #12. They certainly have other holes to fill as well (NT, WR, S, etc.)
 
Go deep said:
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Sabertooth said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Sabertooth said:
I don't see how Spiller is any better as a prospect than Felix Jones was.
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Hi Saber,I wouldn't try and compare him to Felix coming out of college. What I would say is he is built in the same mold of Felix, Jamal, Harrison, these under 200 lb guys that are blazing fast and can take 8-10 carries a game and exploit defenses for 50-60 yds plus the receptions they haul in. I think most OC are looking to manufacture 75-100 yds of offense if they can from these speed backs. Almost like hail marys on the ground. Spiller will be drafted to be the lightning in some offense. I believe teams will take him and try to get about 180-200 carries out of him plus receptions...he caught 36 balls as a Senior, that's quite a lot for college RBs. He had 5.5 ypc behind a pretty meh OL, he will make a splash wherever he lands. Rookie Projections: 180-750-5 plus 40 receptions another 300 yds, 2 TDs...you end up with about 1,000-1,100 yds, 40 catches to boot and somewhere in the 6-7 TD range...he'll have osme big games.
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So how is any of that different than Felix Jones?
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:kicksrock: Outside of those rookie projected numbers are higher than Felix Jones has posted in either season thus far.The problem with both Felix and Spiller supporters....is they are expecting a consistent Chris Johnson light #'s....that just isn't realistic with their body types and game. Look at Steve Slaton....he wore down with injuries a little after one season and who knows if he will ever be the same.
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Chris Johnson has managed to stay healthy with a similar build.
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Chris Johnson has some magical ability to NEVER get hit square. It's uncanny. Spiller doesn't have the magic.
 
HAM said:
Does anyone have a link to where they ran Clifford up the middle and he just fell down? Everyone says this bit all the film I have seem, there were zero holes between te tackles and he made the most of em by bouncing the outside.
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No is the correct answer and the haters will totally ignore your post.
 
thevidon said:
Chris Johnson has some magical ability to NEVER get hit square. It's uncanny.

Spiller doesn't have the magic.
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What!? I love to watch Chris Johnson run and watched several full games late last season.He got absolutely lit up at least once each game. As in, dynasty owner cringing and hopping up out of my seat lit up.

Of course, the rest of the time he spent making the opponent look silly.

 
I keep seeing Spiller popping up to the Jags at #10 in different mocks....that seems pretty wild...

 
Garts said:
I keep seeing Spiller popping up to the Jags at #10 in different mocks....that seems pretty wild...
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It does on the surface, but JDR is in "win now" mode. And since they're not going to get a WR that can contribute right away, have gotten a decent band-aid at the DE position, and for the value that they'd get for the pick, it doesn't seem totally ridiculous.
 
If Berry isn't available, the Browns don't want Dez, and we didn't trade up I think there's a very, very good chance we're trading down. Whether it's to somebody for Spiller, Dez, or Clausen I don't know but I could see several teams moving up for any of those guys.

 
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