How to master the trade (1 Viewer)

So I did my homework, studied the FBG site, used draft dominator, etc, etc and I ended up with a very strong team with lots of depth. With that said, I feel like it's a great time to make some trades with other owners that are panicing. But mastering the art of trading seems to be one of the most difficult skills to master, especially when all communication is done via emails. Can we get some discussion going on how to master this black art.

Some ideas include:

> Making a play at failing RB1 (i.e. Chris Johnson/Jamaal Charles) offering up a low end RB2/Flex

> Making a play at a weak team with a performing RB1 (i.e. Foster/Rice) for a big package deal (4 for 1 type)

I feel like the depth that you get when you draft well can be parlayed into securing a stud like Foster or taking a gamble on someone like a Chris Johnson. But you don't want to give up too much to lose that strength advantage. Conversely, other owners paid a premium 1st round pick to acquire those guys, and offering up some 3rd/4th/5th rounders can really piss them off and gaurantee the deal to never happen.

So how do you do it?!

It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs.

If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have.

You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season.

If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc.

For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner.

Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions.

I usually look for something I need and see what teams have it. Then I look and see what those teams need.

And I try to propose a trade that will make my team and their team better. I'm also willing to sacrifice a little extra value to get something I want.

'rickyg said:

It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs.

If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have.

You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season.

If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc.

For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner.

Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions.

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Now is a great time to target desperate or panicking owners and try to buy low.

two for one on a injured/weak depth team is always a good approach. already have a wire pick up in mind and factor that into your gains and losses. It'll look to the owner you're trading to, that you're giving them way more value than you're getting.

I feel like a lot of times trades are hard to come by because so many people try to "win the trade". People become consumed with getting something for nothing or stealing a player that things never happen.

The art comes into play by framing the trade discussions around what they are losing by not making the deal. People tend not to like missing out on things, that's how you subtly make people do deals that favor you more.

I find the easiest trades are the ones where you put yourself in their shoes and look at their team from their point of view. What are they looking for? What will improve their team? Remove yourself from the equation.

Another roster had a good point about everyone wanting to win a trade. I think the best trades can be win-win. You don't always have to fleece someone. It really all comes down to what you value a future players worth anyway. I'll gladly make a trade that today looks like even value or even that I took a bit of a loss because I'm confident the player I'm acquiring has yet to see his best games.

Case in point is Harvin. Right now he looks like a good wr1 but watching him I think he can finish top 3, especially in return leagues. I plan to make plays now (or wait until after sf this week risking he underperforms) with deals that will be perceived as overpaying by the owner. The old make them an offer they can't refuse. It's obviously risky you're banking on the player performing to your expectations but for me that is part of the fun of trading.

If you're in a free league, good luck.

'The Kuhn said:

If you're in a free league, good luck.

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Care to unpack this a little? I play in 10 leagues, 2 yahoo, 7 MFL and one FleaFlicker. All essentially free leagues. Don't know if I see an upside or downside?

Unfortunately, a large number of people playing in free leagues fall under these two categories:

1) The invisible owner

Your offers are neither accepted nor declined, and any attempts to negotiate a deal are met with silence. These guys are either focusing on higher stakes leagues that they're in, the novelty of the draft has worn off, or they've decided to walk away after a disappointing start since they have nothing invested. These guys generally look the most trade-worthy, but the deal has a snowball's chance of ever actually happening.

2) Mr. Whats-in-it-for-me

The only novelty of trading for this guy is to see how much you're really willing to spend to make a deal happen. Every offer will be countered quickly with a request for your #1 player no matter what. Unless the deal favors both sides- him likely more than you- it isn't going to happen. The only trades that have a decent chance of happening with this guy is trading for a gross underperformer or an unproven player returning from injury and selling high on a player you feel has already peaked.

Chinese menu trading. No better way IMO. Figure out who you're willing to part with and offer it up.

For example, let's say I am trading for Forte. I may offer up something like this:

Pick one RB from Ryan Williams, Ben Tate, Shonn Greene

AND

Pick one WR from Eric Decker, Brandon Lafell, Randall Cobb

Might not be the best example but that's not the point. The point is to lay out options that the guy can break down. If you give decent options, you're far more likely to get a positive response than if you go with the traditional approach, which, as someone said, is one-sided 90% of the time.

Do not underestimate the appeal of taking a garbage player off another player's hands. If you think someone might balk at a two for one, look at his roster and see if you make it a two for two by asking for a player you're just going to drop anyway. It seems to have a particular impact on how someone perceives a trade offer, and undercuts the feeling that you're trying to fleece them out of the best player in a two for one.

Here are my thoughts, published last week:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sigmundbloom/kicking-###-in-the-fantasy-football-trade-market-b

'Nucker101 said:

'rickyg said:

It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs.

If the owner had forte and/or fjax he is likely on life support rt now and starting a guy like Dwyer. If you are deep at rb you guys are perfect trade partners. Sart by offering him multiple rbs (your rbs 4 and 5 for instance...like a Hillis and a Ben Tate for example) for his most studly wr or whatever area of need you have.

You'd be surprised what a desperate owner will do to shake up his team after a very bad start to the season.

If he doesn't go for that tell him your stud rbs are available and don't be afraid to trade one awAy if you have depth as long as you are gettin back a kings random for him. And b that I mean any combo of 2 stud wrs, qb/wr, TE/wr etc.

For a legit stud rb you might be able to score jimmy graham AND a high end wr2 from a desperate owner.

Again if ur deep at rb you won't miss a beat and will gain at 2 valuable positions.

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Now is a great time to target desperate or panicking owners and try to buy low.

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I mentioned this in another thread, but the fact is, no one wants to wait 9 months for the season to start, only to be knocked out in 2-3 weeks. I play in a league that has double headers in weeks 2 and 3 and frankly, there is a very good team that is 0-3 and could go 0-5 in six days...to me, that is fertile ground over the next 5 days.

Decide who you really like, and get them. Don't worry about winning the trade. You cant overpay if you always get the best guy in the deal.

Never. Never. Never rip on someone for making a bad trade offer. Nothing will burn a bridge faster than insulting someone that has insulted your intelligence. Always be someone that's pleasant to deal with even if an offer stinks. Trades are always smoother and easier when the lines of communication between owners is drama free.

I do a few things. I always know who the fanboys are, they make uneven trades to get their favorite players. And make offers that you would accept if you were the other team.

If I make a even trade I make sure all of the upside is on my side. ie. last year I traded Greene/Boldin for Manningham/Felix, didn't work out but I thought I had the upside on my side with the same downside.

Sell someone you think will comeback down to earth for someone who you feel has yet to hit their stride. last year I traded DHB/Garcon for Marshawn Lynch, which won me a championship.

'bostonfred said:

Decide who you really like, and get them. Don't worry about winning the trade. You cant overpay if you always get the best guy in the deal.

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I agree 100%. This is how you make the best deals for you.

'BallparkFrank said:

Never. Never. Never rip on someone for making a bad trade offer. Nothing will burn a bridge faster than insulting someone that has insulted your intelligence. Always be someone that's pleasant to deal with even if an offer stinks. Trades are always smoother and easier when the lines of communication between owners is drama free.

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Another .Perfect example I just made a fair 2-for-1 trade offer for a WR (in fact a poster on here when it was mentioned in passing felt I was giving up too much, but see post above, I'd rather overpay for who I want), and was countered with his own 2-1 trade offer for McCoy (and his two were a very insulting pair - Bradshaw & Kevin Smith).Instead of firing back a "What am I an idiot?" reply, I responded that I wasn't looking for RBs, how I really was interested in the previous WR for reasons X, Y & Z, here's where I think this deal makes sense you improve here and here, etc. Now the deal ended up stalling, but I guarantee if I went back with the same 2-for-1 offer he might take it now given one of my two was Bowe. Had instead I ripped him the chances of me making the deal now are far less likely.It's actually a good life philosophy that extends beyond FF - it does one no good in life to make enemies.

I think CrazyFox's general philosophy towards trading is the hands-down winning approach. If you honestly look at a situation and say "what can we do that helps us both", you're in a much better situation; then and in future trades.

A few things I think holds up:

-Don't be a used car salesman. Don't be that person that sends someone a long, drawn out disertation on "why they should make this trade." that's not to be confused with finding a nice, polite way to point out why you think the trade helps BOTH (always both), but few things turn a person off faster than you basically trying to pitch a used car sales or suggest that you know it all and they need to see it your way.

-Don't underestimate TIMING. That can be "understanding when a team is desperate for a win or facing longshot mathematical odds, recognizing when a player is up against a tough bye week, needs to beat a particualr opponent, etc. These are real things in a fantasy landscape. As much time as people spend thinking (and overthinking) lineup choices, strength of schedule, and ll that, be CERTAIN that they are also thinking of things like "If I can beat this guy this week, it helps me A TON.", etc.

-Balance trade offers. When it comes to trading, especially in keeper and dynasty leagues, a lot of guys will tell you that they don't like trade offers that are 3 for 1, 4 for 2, etc, because it almost always reeks of a "quantity over quality" offer and no one likes to give up the best player in a trade unless they WANT/NEED depth or options. So, even if you are targeting a particular piece, I find its always helpful to add in another player you can live with (or maybe was going to cut anyways) into the deal.

Look for Now & Laters. This is probably my favorite trading technique because it helps you a great deal IF you know what you're doing and it never alienates the other owner. IF you can put your team in a position to have the depth or be able to absorb a short-term hit, you will often find some of the best trades available. For example, if you find your local Forte owner in a real pinch right now with his season squarely in the balance, and you can offer a Shonn Greene, then you basically are tossing him a life-line and your investment is very likely to pay off over the course of the season. Its simple in theory, but takes some real working to find. But when you find one, its really nice; especially in keepers/dynasties. And the great thing about it is you truly both win. yes, its unfortunate his player is about to cost him his season but you honestly give him HOPE and they are never going to hold that against you in the future; especially if it works out for them.

There are lots of things that go into making a good trading situaiton but I guess, in general, what should be said is that there is NO ONE WAY to do it. If you tend to play in keeper and dynasty leagues that are stable and you are looking at long-term relationships with people, I think the biggest thing you have to remember is to maintain pleasant relations with people. You can "win" some trades and be a pain to a person or two and it doesn't take long to pretty much impose a self-embargo and find yourself with no viable trading partners.

'CrazyFox said:

I usually look for something I need and see what teams have it. Then I look and see what those teams need. And I try to propose a trade that will make my team and their team better. I'm also willing to sacrifice a little extra value to get something I want.

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Don't try to "win" trades. It's transparently obvious, and obnoxious as hell. Don't send an offer unless you'd seriously consider it if you were the other guy.

'rmb3kgt said:

So I did my homework, studied the FBG site, used draft dominator, etc, etc and I ended up with a very strong team with lots of depth. With that said, I feel like it's a great time to make some trades with other owners that are panicing. But mastering the art of trading seems to be one of the most difficult skills to master, especially when all communication is done via emails. Can we get some discussion going on how to master this black art.Some ideas include:> Making a play at failing RB1 (i.e. Chris Johnson/Jamaal Charles) offering up a low end RB2/Flex> Making a play at a weak team with a performing RB1 (i.e. Foster/Rice) for a big package deal (4 for 1 type)I feel like the depth that you get when you draft well can be parlayed into securing a stud like Foster or taking a gamble on someone like a Chris Johnson. But you don't want to give up too much to lose that strength advantage. Conversely, other owners paid a premium 1st round pick to acquire those guys, and offering up some 3rd/4th/5th rounders can really piss them off and gaurantee the deal to never happen.So how do you do it?!

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Well the theory is nice but it all goes out the window when you join a league that then goes out and vetoes trades they feel is unfair.

'CanaBuc said:

'rmb3kgt said:

So I did my homework, studied the FBG site, used draft dominator, etc, etc and I ended up with a very strong team with lots of depth. With that said, I feel like it's a great time to make some trades with other owners that are panicing. But mastering the art of trading seems to be one of the most difficult skills to master, especially when all communication is done via emails. Can we get some discussion going on how to master this black art.Some ideas include:> Making a play at failing RB1 (i.e. Chris Johnson/Jamaal Charles) offering up a low end RB2/Flex> Making a play at a weak team with a performing RB1 (i.e. Foster/Rice) for a big package deal (4 for 1 type)I feel like the depth that you get when you draft well can be parlayed into securing a stud like Foster or taking a gamble on someone like a Chris Johnson. But you don't want to give up too much to lose that strength advantage. Conversely, other owners paid a premium 1st round pick to acquire those guys, and offering up some 3rd/4th/5th rounders can really piss them off and gaurantee the deal to never happen.So how do you do it?!

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Well the theory is nice but it all goes out the window when you join a league that then goes out and vetoes trades they feel is unfair.

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Why did you join a league with such a horrible rule to begin with?

'Sigmund Bloom said:

Here are my thoughts, published last week:http://www.buzzfeed.com/sigmundbloom/kicking-###-in-the-fantasy-football-trade-market-b

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Would love to get your feeback on vetoes.I am in a 12 team league. Owner has Forte and Michael Turner as his 2 main Rbs. When FOrte goes down he solicits everyone with a message he is looking for an rb.I put out a feeler Hillis and Tampa Mike wIlliams for Roddy White (his other wr's are Crabtree, Jennings, Sidney Rice.) He counters wanting my Stephen HIll and Hillis. TO do it he is going to drop Gresham so I say since I have a spot do you want to send me Gresham rather than drop him to waivers? So he sends me that trade offer.I accept it. Sure enough it gets vetoed this morning 2 days later.League voted. Seems I got to good of a deal. No collusion involved and I even said if the Gresham add on was an issue I would give him up as I would likely drop him tonight on waivers anyway.What is your say? should a trade be vetoed on the basis of it being unbalanced?

I've done well in the past by proposing unbalanced trades. Usually a 2-1 or 3-2 with me being the one who's giving up more.

Then I use the empty roster spot to sign someone with upside.

As a quick aside in response to one of the posts above, in my league the FJax and Forte owners are both UNDEFEATED...

Stay involved with your other owners, if applicable in leagues where you know people. I scored my biggest trade of the year by chatting with another owner on our site about how desperate he was, he mentioned he had a monster deal just sitting out there to another owner, who was not responding. I upgraded my depth a bit through another trade, then came after his studs that he had just told me were dangling out there, and boom, deal done.

Keeping your finger on the pulse of your other owners and their thoughts of their own players, your players, and others' players can really help you get a foot in the door on trade offers.

'CrazyFox said:

I usually look for something I need and see what teams have it. Then I look and see what those teams need. And I try to propose a trade that will make my team and their team better. I'm also willing to sacrifice a little extra value to get something I want.

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Best answer in post #3. You have to put yourself in the other guy's shoes and offer something that makes sense for him. Also, haggling over e-mail seems silly. I make trades all the time with little communication just by making intelligent offers right off the bat.

'rickyg said:

It's simple: find the most injury riddled, pathetic teams that are now 0-2 and in panic mode rt now and dangle your depth players in front of them for one of his studs.

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And do it fast, because once teams hit 0-3 and they recognize that they suck, they generally mail it in and don't respond.it's a critical time frame other the next week or so.I've seen people give up as early as week 2 though.

'CanaBuc said:

'Sigmund Bloom said:

Here are my thoughts, published last week:http://www.buzzfeed.com/sigmundbloom/kicking-###-in-the-fantasy-football-trade-market-b

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Would love to get your feeback on vetoes.I am in a 12 team league. Owner has Forte and Michael Turner as his 2 main Rbs. When FOrte goes down he solicits everyone with a message he is looking for an rb.I put out a feeler Hillis and Tampa Mike wIlliams for Roddy White (his other wr's are Crabtree, Jennings, Sidney Rice.) He counters wanting my Stephen HIll and Hillis. TO do it he is going to drop Gresham so I say since I have a spot do you want to send me Gresham rather than drop him to waivers? So he sends me that trade offer.I accept it. Sure enough it gets vetoed this morning 2 days later.League voted. Seems I got to good of a deal. No collusion involved and I even said if the Gresham add on was an issue I would give him up as I would likely drop him tonight on waivers anyway.What is your say? should a trade be vetoed on the basis of it being unbalanced?

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i HATE vetoes. they are a terrible rule and i would never join a league that has them. If you don't trust owners to run their team, don't let them in your league. only collusion trades should be overturned.

How to master the trade.

Find someone you want. Look for something they need on your team. Execute.

Good thread. I was looking for info like this. A few questions if I may?

What dictates your pro-activity to trade? Is it a lackluster record? Is it an under performing roster? Is it a blood in the water approach? Such as another squad losing starters one week and is now in dire need, do you seek them out and take advantage of the situation regardless of your current record/roster. Is it a combination of all these factors?

If you are a 4-0 team but winning each week by the skin of your teeth do you seek out trades in order to improve margin of victory? On the other hand if you are a 1-3 or 2-2 team with an under performing but talent-rich roster do you stay put and hope for an upswing?

'Shakedown Grinsnits said:

Good thread. I was looking for info like this. A few questions if I may?What dictates your pro-activity to trade? Is it a lackluster record? Is it an under performing roster? Is it a blood in the water approach? Such as another squad losing starters one week and is now in dire need, do you seek them out and take advantage of the situation regardless of your current record/roster. Is it a combination of all these factors? If you are a 4-0 team but winning each week by the skin of your teeth do you seek out trades in order to improve margin of victory? On the other hand if you are a 1-3 or 2-2 team with an under performing but talent-rich roster do you stay put and hope for an upswing?

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MY mentality is always be looking forward. So what if you're 4-1 and have the most points. Look at where you are weakest and look at the trends. Are your players overachieving and could you sell at their height to get an under-performing superstar? Are you weak at 2nd WR or RB. Could be backup QB. Either way, find your weakness, understand your depth and seek out owners who would benefit from some of your depth.

'We Tigers said:

Do not underestimate the appeal of taking a garbage player off another player's hands. If you think someone might balk at a two for one, look at his roster and see if you make it a two for two by asking for a player you're just going to drop anyway. It seems to have a particular impact on how someone perceives a trade offer, and undercuts the feeling that you're trying to fleece them out of the best player in a two for one.

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^yesI've been doing this for years

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'We Tigers said:

Do not underestimate the appeal of taking a garbage player off another player's hands. If you think someone might balk at a two for one, look at his roster and see if you make it a two for two by asking for a player you're just going to drop anyway. It seems to have a particular impact on how someone perceives a trade offer, and undercuts the feeling that you're trying to fleece them out of the best player in a two for one.

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^yesI've been doing this for years

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Amazing how often this works.

For me, directly communicating what I am trying to do and/or who I like on the other team works best. Especially when responding to another team's offer. I will almost always respond with a pretty detailed explanation of why I didnt accept the offer, and at least a list of guys on the other team that I would want included in the deal. Often, I respond back with two or three deals that I would accept.

When I respond that way, if the other owner gives similar feedback, a deal gets done about 95% of the time.

Others have said to put yourself in the other owner's shoes, and that is the best advice of all. Unfortunately, people always over-value their own players and under-value everyone else's - at least they pretend to when trading. But c'mon, if the guy is as bad as you're pretending, why did you just try to trade for him?

1. Always trade "names"

2. Avoid downgrading "names"; UNLESS you get great value

3. Be open to trading away one week waiver wire wonders and the hot player of the week

4. Always lowball your initial trade offer but don't insult!

5. If contacted for a trade, allow the other owner to offer their trade first

6. Scope out bye weeks and reference SOS for future trades

7. Unless you have depth, make a trade to avoid a bye week a week in advance before bye.

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The above is more or less from someone else's post from another thread. Good stuff.

I've had more success than ever before trading this year.

For many leagues the trade deadline is nigh.

Any last suggestions or success stories before the playoffs????

I've been snaking people.

Traded:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

For:

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Then traded:

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Rob Housler (2 years)

For:

Chris Johnson (2 year)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

Turned:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

Into:

Chris Johnson (2 years)

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

All this happened the day before Foster rumors about surgery surfaced.

If I win 2 more games, I'll hopefully have a playoff spot locked up. Need to win now.

I've been snaking people.

Traded:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

For:

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Then traded:

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Rob Housler (2 years)

For:

Chris Johnson (2 year)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

Turned:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

Into:

Chris Johnson (2 years)

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

All this happened the day before Foster rumors about surgery surfaced.

If I win 2 more games, I'll hopefully have a playoff spot locked up. Need to win now.

Em, don't see why you would post that here. Twice.

On a different, relevant, note, I've been rebuilding one team in a league where youth is overvalued (which makes for a challenge) by trading older players who are performing for injured younger players. Hoping that makes for a good buy low opportunity. Big time short term hit, but I'd rather have guys like Crabtree, Cobb, Harvin, Pitta, kelce, Bradford, etc than picks.

SaintsInDome2006 said:

1. Always trade "names"2. Avoid downgrading "names"; UNLESS you get great value3. Be open to trading away one week waiver wire wonders and the hot player of the week4. Always lowball your initial trade offer but don't insult!5. If contacted for a trade, allow the other owner to offer their trade first6. Scope out bye weeks and reference SOS for future trades7. Unless you have depth, make a trade to avoid a bye week a week in advance before bye.

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The above is more or less from someone else's post from another thread. Good stuff.

I've had more success than ever before trading this year.

For many leagues the trade deadline is nigh.

Any last suggestions or success stories before the playoffs????

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Make as many alternate offers as your site allows, so the other guy has a choice. And don't be concerned with equal value, be concerned with making your lineup better. To that end, it often pays to overpay.

FUBAR said:

Em, don't see why you would post that here. Twice.

On a different, relevant, note, I've been rebuilding one team in a league where youth is overvalued (which makes for a challenge) by trading older players who are performing for injured younger players. Hoping that makes for a good buy low opportunity. Big time short term hit, but I'd rather have guys like Crabtree, Cobb, Harvin, Pitta, kelce, Bradford, etc than picks.

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yea I traded Brees/Pthomas the other day for Tannehill/ellington/Julio in a ppr dynasty 12 team and feel like I got a steal for the future. Pairing Julio with Dez/Andre/Fitz/roddy for 2014 and beyond is Beautiful.

MFL question - are you able to see comments from rejected trades if you don't get the email notifications? I think I lose out on some dialog because of this.

Late225 said:

MFL question - are you able to see comments from rejected trades if you don't get the email notifications? I think I lose out on some dialog because of this.

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On the transaction page, I do not see any of the responses on rejects. It only shows the original message of the initial sender on both the initial offer and the reject.

I have an MFL trade question. Is it possible to reject a trade without logging into the site? I had a trade rejected a few hours after I offered, but the owner hasn't logged on in 2 days.

Any advice on how to get people to be more active so trades are possible? Also, any help in understanding why a guy would reject a future 1st for Reggie Wayne, but the same guy would trade his 1.03 for Jermaine Gresham in a non-TE league would be appreciated.

Ashem said:

I have an MFL trade question. Is it possible to reject a trade without logging into the site? I had a trade rejected a few hours after I offered, but the owner hasn't logged on in 2 days.

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Yeah, if you click the 'reject' link in the trade proposal e-mail it'll jump right to the reject page and not register as the owner having visited the homepage.

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Any advice on how to get people to be more active so trades are possible? Also, any help in understanding why a guy would reject a future 1st for Reggie Wayne, but the same guy would trade his 1.03 for Jermaine Gresham in a non-TE league would be appreciated.

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The best way I've found to make people more active with trades is consistent communication of why I've offering what I'm offering. Also NEVER overreacting when owners counter with insane attempts to rip me off. Again that's just another chance to communicate further and that puts people in a much more comfortable position to deal. In my leagues I def have a reputation for getting over horribly on trades yet at the same time I'm maybe the most trusted owner to deal with. Communication communication communication. I try to avoid throwing darts back and forth counter/counter/countering offers, I explain as much as possible, it'll save time in the long run.

edit.....those trades in your league make zero sense btw

Ashem said:

I have an MFL trade question. Is it possible to reject a trade without logging into the site? I had a trade rejected a few hours after I offered, but the owner hasn't logged on in 2 days.

Any advice on how to get people to be more active so trades are possible? Also, any help in understanding why a guy would reject a future 1st for Reggie Wayne, but the same guy would trade his 1.03 for Jermaine Gresham in a non-TE league would be appreciated.

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1.03 for Gresham in a non-TE required? Super fishy.

Eminence said:

I've been snaking people.

Traded:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

For:

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Then traded:

Ryan Mathews (3 years)

Lamar Miller (3 years)

Rob Housler (2 years)

For:

Chris Johnson (2 year)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

Turned:

Arian Foster (4 years)

Justin Blackmon (3 years)

Christine Michael (2 years)

Into:

Chris Johnson (2 years)

Larry Fitzgerald (3 years)

Brian Hartline (1 year)

Nick Folk (1 year)

All this happened the day before Foster rumors about surgery surfaced.

If I win 2 more games, I'll hopefully have a playoff spot locked up. Need to win now.

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So basically you moved a bunch of potential 2014 studs for 4 guys producing at a level of guys on the waiver wire this week. Good job Cobra.

Find and idiot....make a trade. That is one sure way to make your team better.

Once the idiots are bled dry, then trade for players who's value would spike if they have a good game.

For example, if Lynch were to sit a game and Christine Michael went off for 150 and two TDs, his value would skyrocket. However, if Jordan Todman (is that even his first name??) did the same, I am guessing you still couldnt deal him for much of anything.

This second option is really what separates people over time in dynasty. That and just knowing which players in general will be better over time. There is no real secret to that. The better fantasy players are just better at that than others.

It's a good balance of going for "value" while also trying to get "your guys" on your team and into your lineup.