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With a blowout evident against Tennessee (1 Viewer)
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
...since Tennessee will be so much worse than Oakland? 
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Interesting... I could see that.
Hue G
Footballguy
I agree, considering their D was on the field 80% of the game they didn't look half bad.
gocats
Footballguy
Turner still had 10 fantasy points, this could be like an LJ/Priest situation where you start both
SSOG
Moderator
Even if it is another blowout (which you can't anticipate), and even if San Diego goes with 48 runs compared to 11 passes again this week (which is a GIGANTIC fluke that nobody should bet on repeating)... Turner averaged 3.7 yards per carry (because the D was stacking against the run because it was a blowout), and would have had no fantasy value if it weren't for a late TD (which could have just as easily gone to Gates, or McCardell, or Lorenzo Neal).
No way should Turner see anyone's starting lineup except in the most extreme of desperation situations.
No way should Turner see anyone's starting lineup except in the most extreme of desperation situations.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Turner returned a kick last night too. A punt I believe.
SSOG
Moderator
It was a kickoff (the only Oakland kickoff of the game). Eric Parker handled all punt return duties.
Jack Tripper
Footballguy
Got Jordan 
and considering Turner or Norwood. Do I need to adjust my meds?
and considering Turner or Norwood. Do I need to adjust my meds?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
No but you'll probably need to adjust your lineup.Got Jordan
coolnerd
Footballguy
They are still better options. You are betting on a blowout which even against bad NFL teams is not as predictable as it seems. then you are betting that the game falls in a similiar manner as Oakland where the Chargers can run 50 times in game. Even with that Turner is what going to get 15 touches, and now you have to figure out if he is going to do something with the 15 touches,While Droughns and Lundy had poor week 1s, 15 touches is the low end for both especially Droughns. They are easily better options than trying guess a clear back-ups production.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
This could be the game where you see them let Rivers pass a little more. Did anyone see what Pennington did against Tenn? Plus, it's the second game of the year and you're going to give LT back-to-back 30 carry games?Im thinking there should be about 45-50 carries against the TitansTurner gets 15-20 carries 80/1tdLT Gets 30 carries
One
Not Allowed In Mexico
I don't think so. This is LT's show, Turner's just sellin' his popcorn.
You just saw SD take part in one of the worst showings by a franchise in years. Turner still didn't turn up awe-inspiring numbers. ...yet you think Turners numbers will consistently be better?
Until LT goes down Turner is not too valuable as a starter. (By my leagues rules at least.) If Turner does get a shot at starting he'll be lights out.
You just saw SD take part in one of the worst showings by a franchise in years. Turner still didn't turn up awe-inspiring numbers. ...yet you think Turners numbers will consistently be better?
Until LT goes down Turner is not too valuable as a starter. (By my leagues rules at least.) If Turner does get a shot at starting he'll be lights out.
SSOG
Moderator
So, let me get this straight. You have an RB who is basically guaranteed about 15 touches, and another RB who is basically guaranteed about 20 touches, and you are considering benching them both for an RB who has an absolute CEILING of 10 touches against ridiculously overstacked defenses, but who in all likelihood will get no more than 2 or 3 touches? That about sum it up?
Hue G
Footballguy
That would be something new, no one has tried to put 8 or 9 guys in the box against LT before.
Not many teams has as good of LBs as TEN has either.
gocats
Footballguy
In that case, Turner would get more carries no?This could be the game where you see them let Rivers pass a little more. Did anyone see what Pennington did against Tenn? Plus, it's the second game of the year and you're going to give LT back-to-back 30 carry games?Im thinking there should be about 45-50 carries against the TitansTurner gets 15-20 carries 80/1tdLT Gets 30 carries
My Hope Street Alias
Footballguy
Beg pardon for the hijack but what is Turner's contract status?
MeVsMaradona
Footballguy
Perhaps the dumbest thread of the year.
gocats
Footballguy
Man I wont even answer this, it's been discussed so many times you should know it by heart now
MeVsMaradona
Footballguy
Runnings the ball isnt going to win them games against other teams folks. Running Turner instead of LT is going to be even worse, if they plan on running LT will be running unless its a BLOWOUT.
gocats
Footballguy
Of course it's going to be a blowout, thats the whole point of the thread
my man otis
Footballguy
you taking the over and SD this weekend then?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
MeVsMaradona
Footballguy
We have a slow one.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
RnR
Footballguy
How many points will you give me? Titans plus?I think it's pretty dumb to predict a blowout in any given NFL game. Predict the winner, sure, but predicting an NFL team to lay an egg is a crapshoot. Tennessee could win this game 24-21 and no one would be shocked.
MeVsMaradona
Footballguy
Good point, you people are saying your going to start a backup because of a blowout? Who the hell are you starting him over Bo Jackson? I Guess i should have started Morris last week because the Seahawks sure blewout Detroit.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jeff Fisher will have a defense ready for the LT onslaught...doesn't mean that he can stop him totally, but Tennessee will challenge San Diego to beat them thru the air.
1 thing that bothered me alst night as I was pissing off Raiders fans in the Santa Monica Hooters(Let's go Chargers Let's Go!...was beautiful)...was the fact marty did not throw more when they ahd the lead. let Rivers attack an awful secondary. They won't win a ton of ball games if the gameplan is to hide Rivers. I understnd they didn't need much from him...and he did deliver when he was asked to...but still what happens whent hey face someone actually worth a crap?
martyball at its finest last night.
1 thing that bothered me alst night as I was pissing off Raiders fans in the Santa Monica Hooters(Let's go Chargers Let's Go!...was beautiful)...was the fact marty did not throw more when they ahd the lead. let Rivers attack an awful secondary. They won't win a ton of ball games if the gameplan is to hide Rivers. I understnd they didn't need much from him...and he did deliver when he was asked to...but still what happens whent hey face someone actually worth a crap?
martyball at its finest last night.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
We sure do, although I don't think it's Gr00vusWe have a slow one.
I would sure be shocked. Pleasantly shocked.
The weird thing about this thread and others is that there's a giant assumption being made that not only will San Diego crush Tenn, because they crushed the Raiders, but also that the game will playout exactly the same way.
Now, Tenn isn't great, and I think the SD O can exploit that, but they aren't as hapless as the Raiders.
Something tells me Phil Rivers is gonna throw the ball a few more times. I don't see Rivers as any different than Brees--better arm--and obviously SD doesn't either. Many games they just ram LT and then Turner down the other team's throat.
Tenn O will not lay a goose egg. The game could be decently high scoring. Phil Rivers could be forced to pass--as if he will somehow be terrible at this.
It was his first game ever, folks. I think he played well. Sky is the limit.
Now, Tenn isn't great, and I think the SD O can exploit that, but they aren't as hapless as the Raiders.
Something tells me Phil Rivers is gonna throw the ball a few more times. I don't see Rivers as any different than Brees--better arm--and obviously SD doesn't either. Many games they just ram LT and then Turner down the other team's throat.
Tenn O will not lay a goose egg. The game could be decently high scoring. Phil Rivers could be forced to pass--as if he will somehow be terrible at this.
It was his first game ever, folks. I think he played well. Sky is the limit.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I'll be surprised if Collins has another week as bad or worse than last.
At least this week he won't be playing in front of such a hostile crowd.
At least this week he won't be playing in front of such a hostile crowd.
Vince Young should start. He can't do much worse. Trial by fire certainly kills QBs in their first year, but they are super good in Year 2.
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This is nothing like the Priest/LJ situation last year. The coach announced last year that LJ would get every third series. You knew he was going to get 1/3 of the work. Even then, he was hit or miss as a starter until Priest went down for the count.
You might as well give up on your season if you are choosing to start a true backup RB over starting running backs. Turner is a great backup, but how many games can you recall where a team gets 45-50 carries? There are very few. Even if the Titans offense can't get anything going, all the Titans need is a big play or two on special teams or a couple of turnovers by SD in SD territory to stay in the game. And that pretty much means Turner likely will give you a goose-egg. Also, what kind of upside would you be looking for from Turner? If LT gets his 30 carries, you will be lucky if Turner gets fifty total yards. A TD would be flukey at best.
You might as well give up on your season if you are choosing to start a true backup RB over starting running backs. Turner is a great backup, but how many games can you recall where a team gets 45-50 carries? There are very few. Even if the Titans offense can't get anything going, all the Titans need is a big play or two on special teams or a couple of turnovers by SD in SD territory to stay in the game. And that pretty much means Turner likely will give you a goose-egg. Also, what kind of upside would you be looking for from Turner? If LT gets his 30 carries, you will be lucky if Turner gets fifty total yards. A TD would be flukey at best.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Give the man a break. He is a RFA next year and will be a UFA in 2008.gocats said:
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el-gato-grande
Footballguy
If LT gets 30 carries a game, then he won't last the season. Look, I posted a bunch of articles on the Bandwagon thread about how the coaching staff has been dreaming up ways to utilize MT (even in the same backfield with LT). This situation will continue even in non-blowout situations. Turner IS a viable flex starter this year. Like SSOG, I wouldn't recommend starting him ahead of someone like Droughns. But, against another backup, goal line specialist, or second tier WR, I would start him in a heartbeat.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Why throw the ball when you have the lead? This isn't college football where you run up the score, it's the NFL. Most teams with a nice lead burn the clock out by running the ball, especially when the running game was working as well as it was against the Raiders. I also would think the Chargers staff know when to balance their offensive scheme up. Did you know that last year against Oakland Brees passed for 164 yards and 1 touchdown in the first meeting? The second meeting he passed for 160 yards and 2 touchdowns. That isn't a lot more yards compared to what Rivers did against Oakland, in his very first NFL start. As for Tennessee, never underestimate your opponent. Even though the Jets don't have LT, they didn't have an easy time running on TN. They got their yards through the air. I doubt TN will use the same formation the Raiders used on the Chargers, which didn't work.Ministry of Pain said:
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Tenn was solid against the run last week (granted it was BlaySuck and BarBlow, both names copyrighted) it was their pass DF that is suspect. I would expect to see a more balanced game split, say 20-30 passes instead of 11. I believe this will be a good measuring stick for Rivers, I might pick him up to start this week (of course I am trying to be positive since my other options include Simms, Brooks and Plummer). Even if it is a blow out I don't think you can start Turner over a Droughns or another player that is starting.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Sure seems to debunk the theory of coaches not changing thier stripes midseason that you spewed in the A Green thread.Contradict seems to be the term I'm looking for to complete this post.Yes, contradict.
SSOG
Moderator
I'm not predicting Schottenheimer to change his stripes. I'm saying that you can't predict a 27-0 blowout, and even if you COULD predict a 27-0 blowout and even if Schotty DID run the ball about 84% of the time and even if there WERE 48 carries to go around... even then, Turner's a poor play because he's still looking at only 10 carries against overstacked defenses.If Schottenheimer has as much of a lead and as solid of a command of the game and his defense is as dominating, I would expect Schotty to call plays exactly the same way. My point is that that situation is so unbelievably rare in the NFL that trying to predict it is absolute lunacy. We might as well project 6 TDs for Peyton Manning this week while we're at it.Right now you're just trying to pick a fight, and you're doing a pretty poor job of it at that. You can keep trying if it makes you feel better, but hopefully you won't mind if I just ignore you from now on.
SigEp316
Footballguy
I don't think we'll see Rivers open it up....He will throw more than 11 balls, but I think everyone knows what the SD gameplan will be. SD's blessing with Rivers is opening with Oakland, Tennessee, and then the BYE. They can get him in slowly and go from there....if they had opened against Denver or Pitt or a stronger DEF, he would already be throwing more.
I think the Chargers will run a ton on TEN and will beat them soundly. That being said, I don' t think Turner warrants a start.
I think the Chargers will run a ton on TEN and will beat them soundly. That being said, I don' t think Turner warrants a start.
Otis
Footballguy
Apparently it isn't.This would have been a dynamite 1-2 punch at RB this week...
