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Dont take too much stock in preason. When it really counts thats what matters. He is the cornerstone of the team and all the definsive cord. are going stack the box and stop the run and make their QB beat them. He might get 275 carries this year avgeraging about 4.5 yards a carry which is about 1235 yards add another single digit toughdowns 7 or 8 and about 20 receptions for 120 yards and thats about what youll get from him if your lucky. Take a chance if you like him but dont take too much stock on preseason if you do you might want to take Matt Shaub as your starter after last nights game.
300 carries? Playing from behind every game. If he exceeds 1300 yards I would be very suprized.
I will be looking at him (likely) at 3.05. Can you tell me who else was in the mix for you at that pick and why you passed on them?
I take it that Jamal Lewis, Brandon Jacobs, Jones-Drew and Chad Johnson were all gone at 3.03
ronnie brown, e. Graham, edge, FWP, Thomas Jones, and Jonathon Stewart were all in consideration. Noddle arm is in miami, plus brown is going to split carries with williams. I don't see tampa doing much this year, plus chucky loves to throw. edge is on the wrong side of age, and FWP has Mendenhall to split carries with. I considered Thomas Jones and Jonathon Stewart very seriously. Turner has an ADP of 4.07, Jones an ADP of 4.09 and Stewart a 5.07. There's a good chance they won't be there on my next pick. I needed another RB. It was a gut feeling to take Turner. Can't describe it.
Correct.
The 1400 I spoke of included receiving. I'm thinking 1200 rushing, another 200 or so receiving and someone has to score for them.
That's what I'm thinking, I think.
Sounds like Frank Gore last season too. If Turner finishes in the top 10 like Gore did last season I think most will be pleased.poo flingin monkey said:
Seemed like he'd bust a long run or two any time he got an appreciable number of carries with the Chargers. It's a big part of his game, he's not just a plodder. You have to factor that in to considerations of Turner. I don't think most people are and that he's underrated a bit as a result.
Not dismissing, but you do realize just how awful the Colts rush D has been / looked thus far, aye? They made Deangelo look like LT in his prime. Don't put too much stock in this and weight it with him vs. a rush D that is actually up to speed, not completely blowing assignments like the Colts were in that game. If anything I was a bit disappointed at how easily he was run down from behind.
Good short yardage guy (TD's) and a guy who can take it to the house is a good combo. yes he will be bottled up without an offense to open it up, but the line is actually a decent RB unit. Turner is a safe bet to hit his ADP and shows more upside than that IMO.
Turner makes holes and runs through, around , and past defenders. He always seems to make a lot of YAC.
That does not even mention no Bob Sanders. The Colts run defense is really bad without him. I'm not taking away from Turner. As a matter of fact, I think he will be a solid mid level RB2 this year. But you have to realize who he just played. I fully expect 300 carries and for Turner to bust a few long runs.
He better. They need to keep the emphasis off Ryan when he starts.
I wouldn't put to much stock in that one run on the highlight reel. The Falcons have a new HC, QB and RB so opposing Ds don't have much (if any) game film to go on, misdirection plays like this one (fake end around) have a much better chance of being successful when the opposing D is guessing a lot more than usual. Turner certainly looked like he had good burst (and hes clearly a big RB) on that play so its encouraging but I would still be cautious.
13 SD KC 7 16 0 1.614 SD TEN 2 1 0 0.115 SD DET 5 28 0 2.216 SD DEN 7 11 0 1.917 SD OAK 11 42 0 4.218 SD TEN 9 28 0 2.819 SD IND 17 71 0 7.120 SD NE 17 65 0 7
that's a pretty selective sample. I wouldn't let those stats alter my draft strategy but to each his own...
Haha those stats are extremely selective. I mean you are citing a game where he recieved 2 carries.For instance can you guess this player's stats from last season....Wk 1: 17 attempts for 25 yards... 1.5 YPCWK2: 18 attempts for 43 yards...2.4 YPCWK3: 22 attempts for 62 yards...2.8 YPCWK5: 21 attempts for 67 yards...3.2 YPCWK9: 16 attempts for 40 yards...2.5 YPCWK10: 21 attempts for 76 yards...3.6 YPCWK11: 16 attempts for 62 yards...3.9 YPCWK12: 25 attepmts for 77 yards...3.2 YPCWK17: 16 attempts for 56 yards...3.5 YPCFor those keeping score the end of that year run equates to 172 carries, for 508 yards, 2.9 YPCThose are LT's stats from last season. Selective stats can be very misleading. If you are a fan of Turner I am assuming you have actually watched the way he runs, his burst, his ability to break long runs, to break tackles etc and know that he is better then those selective stats you threw out there just as LT is way better then those stats I threw out there. Burner will surpirse many this season.
Which means he will have fewer people to tackle him after he breaks through the line. And Turner is one tough dud to bring down. Seriously underrated IMO.
Reminds me of Ronnie Brown last year actually. Huge talent and the only offensive weapon the team really can count on. Miami lost every single game up unitl Brown got hurt, and we know where Brown ranked in FF points at the time.
Yeah, I've watched him, and he looked like a totally different guy last season. Completely run down and with little to no burst or vision? Can that just disappear? I'd like to say he just wasn't motivated or something that would make sense. He was going in FA offseason and just didn't look good? Maybe the Charger's OL really was sucking there at the end of the season? Honestly didn't think they were that awful...but maybe they were afterall. Don't think I watched all those games, but definitely caught most, again, big fan of Turner so always like to keep an eye on him. He just looked really bad to me last year and could never figure out why.Him getting run down from a far side CB, after a blown assignment giving him a 5-8 yd lead....it just doesn't seem like he used to get run down like that (his first 2 seasons). We'll see, I just really think expecting RB1 numbers out of him is setting yourself up for a long season. Now, getting him at RB3 prices is just silly. I'm not down on the guy, I'm just concerned that he's not the same player that came into the league. Keep in mind, guys DO just fall off the map...Michael Clayton anyone? Lamont Jordan (although he was serviceable that first year in Oak).
Don't put too much stock in one play, there are a lot of variables. Faster guys can be caught from behind by a slower guy on occasion for a number of reasons. I wouldn't accuse him of losing a step based on one play in a pre-season game.
Hey Switz,where are you ranking Turner?switz said:
Where do I think he'll finish? Or where would I draft him?
both please.
He's a high ceiling, low floor RB. I could see him finishing top-10, seriously. He's explosive enough to have some big gains, and big enough to break tackles and score at the GL. But he has a floor in the low 20's because he will share carries with Norwood.I would draft him in the top-15 though, because I believe he has a better chance at top-10 than most RBs.
really? Brees head and shoulders over RyanColston/Patten/Meacham head and shoulders over White/Jenkins/RobertsonShockey head and shoulders over Hartsock or MilnerNOs D will keep their run game alive in games much more often and longer than ATLs D.
Yeah but Bush is still Bush. For a RB he is one heck of a WR. I would take Turner before Bush in non-PPR in a heartbeat.
wow, ok. what gives you the impression Turner is durable enough (at least more durable than Bush) to carry the ball as much as 240-260 times on a team with limited weapons, rookie QB, questionable D, avg-mediocre Oline. I like Turner, but not over Bush in non-PPR. Turner has only carried the ball 228 times in his career. What am I missing here?
Go and rewatch the highlights.... http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a0e63e The defenders caught him due to angles. On the first run, the player behind him number 26 would not have caught him, it was player number 28 who tracked him down due to the angle. On the 2nd run he had ran past player 41 who caught him due to having the angle. Clearly he has not lost any of his burst and if he has lost any speed it is extremely minimal IMO. The guy has continuously broken big runs throughout his career, he will break some this year for sure.
