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I realize that Jacobs' return is still up in the air - but much of Ward's perceived value originally was based on the fact that he would start until Jacobs returned. However, in the 2games Ward as played in to this point his numbers AVERAGE as follows:

14 carries for 90 yards 6.4 ypc 4 receptions for 31 yards 7.8 yards per reception and .5 TDs.

That said, is Ward's value dropping as Jacobs inevitable return draws nearer - or is it actually rising as he is performing well and may actually maintain a larger degree of involvement in the offense than originally thought after Jacobs' return ?

I guess the real question is what , between the 2 extremes of

A) Ward going back to the bench and playing minimally

B) Ward as the starter with Jacobs being the TD vulture like last year

do you see happening? The actual answer will likely fall somewhere between A & B - but closer to which?

Thoughts?

 
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Dropping in value. The better Ward plays, the more carries he will cut into Jacobs during the rest of the season ala RBBC.

 
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.

 
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:thumbup: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
 
Brutis said:
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:thumbup: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Thats a given, but I think ward should get between 5-8 carries a game minimum.
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IMO, it will be closer to a 60/40 split. Jacobs getting the majority, but more important, the GL carries. He isn't impressive enough to keep much more than that.
 
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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Did Jacobs crap in your Wheaties or something? You were the guy saying (wishing?) he'd blown out his knee a la Culpepper during the DAL/NYG game. Seems like you have an axe to grind. It seems a bit premature to say that Jacobs can't be the answer, after a quarter and a half of one game.Personally, I expect yet another RBBC. Ward has shown that he can play. I still think Jacobs will start and will get most of the goal line work when he's healthy. But Ward will probably still get about 10 touches per game, and will likely be the 3rd down back.
 
-OZ- said:
Brutis said:
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:goodposting: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Thats a given, but I think ward should get between 5-8 carries a game minimum.
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IMO, it will be closer to a 60/40 split. Jacobs getting the majority, but more important, the GL carries. He isn't impressive enough to keep much more than that.
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He only had 6 carries before he got hurt, how impressive was he suppose to be? :confused:
 
If I was a Jacobs owner, i'd be worried on three fronts

- Ward has looked great

- Jacobs might try to come back at less than 100% and hurt his production and risk re-aggravating the injury

-Personally, I'm still wondering if Jacobs' injury may be worse than the Giants have let on

 
Brutis said:
-OZ- said:
Brutis said:
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:football: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Thats a given, but I think ward should get between 5-8 carries a game minimum.
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IMO, it will be closer to a 60/40 split. Jacobs getting the majority, but more important, the GL carries. He isn't impressive enough to keep much more than that.
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He only had 6 carries before he got hurt, how impressive was he suppose to be? :angry:
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Impressive enough to stay healthy for a 7th carry....which he failed to do.The interesting thing about Ward is that he has been able to catch the forward pass. The Giants had much success throwing to Tiki, and Jacobs was not involved in the passing game at all in the preseason or his first game. At the very least, I would expect Ward to vulture receptions in PPR formats, which would drive down Jacobs' PPR value in that format.
 
TinHat said:
If I was a Jacobs owner, i'd be worried on three fronts- Ward has looked great- Jacobs might try to come back at less than 100% and hurt his production and risk re-aggravating the injury-Personally, I'm still wondering if Jacobs' injury may be worse than the Giants have let on
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EXACTLY!I see this as more of a Portis/Betts situation than a Maroney/Morris situation. Why rush your higher paid injured star back into the mix if the "fill in" is doing an equivalent if not superior job?
 
Ward's performance yesterday pretty much guarantees RBBC. They can't justify keeping him on the bench.

The smart move is to switch back to a thunder-and-lightning approach, but the Giants probably feel that they've got too much invested into Jacobs so they'll trot him out for some more yawn-inducing 3.9-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust play.

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
 
Brutis said:
-OZ- said:
Brutis said:
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:thumbup: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Thats a given, but I think ward should get between 5-8 carries a game minimum.
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IMO, it will be closer to a 60/40 split. Jacobs getting the majority, but more important, the GL carries. He isn't impressive enough to keep much more than that.
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He only had 6 carries before he got hurt, how impressive was he suppose to be? :angry:
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Those weren't the first carries of his career.
 
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :rolleyes:
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument.

Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :rolleyes:
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Why do people always make this argument?
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
 
[scooter] said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
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He was also running against the first team defense and getting less than 8 carries a game, try again. :thumbup: It will be fun bumping this thread in a couple of weeks
 
I have him in the subscriber contest, so I would REALLY like to see him come back and be productive....reality has set in, so I'm already thinking about how I will pick next year's subscriber contest roster....

From a practical standpoint, as long as Ward is productive, there is no reason that Jacobs should be rushed back.

 
Brutis said:
[scooter] said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
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He was also running against the first team defense and getting less than 8 carries a game, try again. :wall: It will be fun bumping this thread in a couple of weeks
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Jacob's owner??
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too?
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Whoa. Back up the train there, Sparky.Jacobs doesn't have 1 let alone 2 - 1,000+ rushing yard seasons under his belt - nor does he have 133 receptions out of the backfield as SJax does over the lasttwo years. Jacobs is far from a proven starting RB- which is the reason for the question. Comparing Jacobs and SJax is a major stretch.

 
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:shrug: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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He can't carry a full load. He will be the starter until hurt again. If I had Jacobs on any team and didn't get Ward off waivers, I would be extremely nervous.
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :shrug:
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there is no real comparison between sjax and bjacobs. sjax has been able to produce at a high level with relative consistency. bjacobs is a perceived td vulture who inherited the job when tiki retired. does anyone here think that bjacobs would have ever supplanted tiki as the starting or premiere rb in this offense? probably not. bjacobs needs to come back strong from this injury in order to put all the doubts to rest. i think almost everyone on this board agrees that bjacobs accomplishing this will be difficult due to his injury and the emergence of ward as a serviceable, if not more athletic, back. i don't think there are any arguments that the giants will give bjacobs the chance to be an every down back, but a lot of us are wondering if he is built, or is athletic enough, to handle that responsibility. and with ward putting up a couple of good weeks, the controversy begins before it even begins...
 
weevol said:
Brutis said:
[scooter] said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
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He was also running against the first team defense and getting less than 8 carries a game, try again. :angry: It will be fun bumping this thread in a couple of weeks
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Jacob's owner??
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I own ward as well. I just dont see how an 0-2 team and a backup RB who ran for 80 yards is percieved as the starter by some? :shrug:
 
Brutis said:
weevol said:
Brutis said:
[scooter] said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
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He was also running against the first team defense and getting less than 8 carries a game, try again. :rolleyes: It will be fun bumping this thread in a couple of weeks
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Jacob's owner??
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I own ward as well. I just dont see how an 0-2 team and a backup RB who ran for 80 yards is percieved as the starter by some? :potkettle:
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Becuase he is starting - and averaging over 6 ypc and is catching passes out of the backfield? :angry:
 
KellysHeroes said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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See Maroney / Morris usage.... BJ being Maroney / Ward being Morris without the GLs
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What makes you say this? I think it is more likely to be a Benson/Peterson thing, but that is just my speculation. And frankly as well as Ward is playing he could end up taking over the role of Tiki. But I would be very interested if your information is coming from more than just speculation.
 
DoubleG said:
Brutis said:
weevol said:
Brutis said:
[scooter] said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp.
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His YPC during the preseason (3.5) was the lowest of all the Giants RBs, and near the bottom of the pack of all NFL starters.
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He was also running against the first team defense and getting less than 8 carries a game, try again. :rolleyes: It will be fun bumping this thread in a couple of weeks
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Jacob's owner??
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I own ward as well. I just dont see how an 0-2 team and a backup RB who ran for 80 yards is percieved as the starter by some? :rolleyes:
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Becuase he is starting - and averaging over 6 ypc and is catching passes out of the backfield? :lmao:
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I guess we'll see if he is starting in a couple of weeks then. :popcorn:
 
MDSkinner said:
KellysHeroes said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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See Maroney / Morris usage.... BJ being Maroney / Ward being Morris without the GLs
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What makes you say this? I think it is more likely to be a Benson/Peterson thing, but that is just my speculation. And frankly as well as Ward is playing he could end up taking over the role of Tiki. But I would be very interested if your information is coming from more than just speculation.
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To answer your question, KellysHeroes is a wishful speculator. He started posting anti-Ward threads last week and refuses to read the writing on the wall.
 
weevol said:
MDSkinner said:
KellysHeroes said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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See Maroney / Morris usage.... BJ being Maroney / Ward being Morris without the GLs
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What makes you say this? I think it is more likely to be a Benson/Peterson thing, but that is just my speculation. And frankly as well as Ward is playing he could end up taking over the role of Tiki. But I would be very interested if your information is coming from more than just speculation.
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To answer your question, KellysHeroes is a wishful speculator. He started posting anti-Ward threads last week and refuses to read the writing on the wall.
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That was what I had figured, but I am always up for inside information if it exists. At this point as both a Jacobs and Ward owner in two leagues, I am just hopeful that one of them is able to step up. Ward seems to be doing that. Jacobs may be able to as well, but we have no real data to show that he can be a productive every down back. That concerns me.
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :blackdot:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :rolleyes:Your misguided SJax comparison has already been addressed, so I won't bother.
 
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RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :rolleyes:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :yes:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :blackdot:
 
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :rolleyes:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :yes:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :blackdot:
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Initially he was named the starter, but it was more because it was pre-determined so all he had to do was not lose it. He didn't separate himself enough to have SJax-type of security. It will be RBBC going forward.
 
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Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :)
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :rolleyes:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :confused:
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I would quit while you are behind.
 
monkeysee said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :lmao:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :lmao:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :whoosh:
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I would quit while you are behind.
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Sorry i dont follow the herd lol. We will see soon enough who the starter is when jacobs is healthy. Matter of fact, your post is the one I plan on bumping in a couple of weeks. :thumbup:
 
Brutis said:
monkeysee said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :goodposting:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :lmao:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? ;)
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I would quit while you are behind.
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Sorry i dont follow the herd lol. We will see soon enough who the starter is when jacobs is healthy. Matter of fact, your post is the one I plan on bumping in a couple of weeks. :thumbup:
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:rolleyes: Why? So you can continue to be a tool? If you are right, great. If not, great. Why are you so intent on rubbing people's noses in it if they are wrong? You aren't worth the effort, but I am sure we could bump a number of instances where you were wrong. :rolleyes:
 
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
monkeysee said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :rolleyes:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :rolleyes:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :wub:
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I would quit while you are behind.
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Sorry i dont follow the herd lol. We will see soon enough who the starter is when jacobs is healthy. Matter of fact, your post is the one I plan on bumping in a couple of weeks. :thumbup:
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:rolleyes: Why? So you can continue to be a tool? If you are right, great. If not, great. Why are you so intent on rubbing people's noses in it if they are wrong? You aren't worth the effort, but I am sure we could bump a number of instances where you were wrong. :rolleyes:
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How do you think we measure ourselves around here?
 
weevol said:
MDSkinner said:
KellysHeroes said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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See Maroney / Morris usage.... BJ being Maroney / Ward being Morris without the GLs
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What makes you say this? I think it is more likely to be a Benson/Peterson thing, but that is just my speculation. And frankly as well as Ward is playing he could end up taking over the role of Tiki. But I would be very interested if your information is coming from more than just speculation.
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To answer your question, KellysHeroes is a wishful speculator. He started posting anti-Ward threads last week and refuses to read the writing on the wall.
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We'll see next month...
 
BroadwayG said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
monkeysee said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Brutis said:
RC94 said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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I agree with this. At the very least it will be a true RBBC. Jacobs will not be getting 20+ carries while Ward and the others only get a few carries. Jacobs simply hasn't separated himself from the pack and if anyone has shown he is the best RB on the Giants, it's Ward.
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Jacobs seperated himself from the pack all through mini camp. This thread isn't suprising with all the Jacobs hatred all summer. The guy caught a bad break with his offensive lineman blocking that dallas lineman into his leg on the 7th carry. Before that he was running with alot of authority. Its not like the Giants are 2-0 with Ward running for over 150 yards, then you might have an argument. Sjax isnt running very well, im sure he will be losing his job too? :no:
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He didn't separate himself during mini camp and if he did there wouldn't have been any "Jacobs hatred." :rolleyes:
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Apparently he seperated himself enough to be named the starter? :goodposting:
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I would quit while you are behind.
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Sorry i dont follow the herd lol. We will see soon enough who the starter is when jacobs is healthy. Matter of fact, your post is the one I plan on bumping in a couple of weeks. :thumbup:
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:rolleyes: Why? So you can continue to be a tool? If you are right, great. If not, great. Why are you so intent on rubbing people's noses in it if they are wrong? You aren't worth the effort, but I am sure we could bump a number of instances where you were wrong. :rolleyes:
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How do you think we measure ourselves around here?
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By shoe size? :P
 
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:thumbdown: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Being the starter doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. Rhodes was the starter all last year in Indy (granted extreme example). With Ward doing well and his versatility/diff things he brings to the table, this is major RBBC IMO.
 
BigRed said:
KellysHeroes said:
Banger said:
It certainly won't go up when Jacobs returns. I think Jacobs will be given every chance to be the guy once he gets healthy. Ward has played well though and will be a decent safety blanket if Jacobs can't perform/can't get healthy.
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:thumbup: BJ will be named starter once hes 100%...
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Being the starter doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot. Rhodes was the starter all last year in Indy (granted extreme example). With Ward doing well and his versatility/diff things he brings to the table, this is major RBBC IMO.
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Not really that extreme - C.Taylor was the week 1 starter in Minny, Warrick Dunn is the starter in Atlanta, Freddy is the starter for the Jags, L.White was the week 1 starter for Tennessee, J.Jones is the starter in Dallas, etc.
 
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Shooter McGavin said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
I think there's a decent chance that Ward takes over and Jacobs returns to his role from last year. Laugh, joke, yell if you will, but Jacobs is not the answer at tailback.
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:confused: Jacobs actually looked pretty good prior to the injury. Ward has been productive and showed burst, but I think it's pretty safe to say he's not the answer either. Let's also put his performances in perspective. Both games were high-scoring affairs with defenses playing the pass. THere was plenty of running room last night because GB knew they had to pass to stay in the game. Against Dallas, even Miami managed 4.3 YPC.
 
going strictly by NFL history here, only two backs at or over 260lbs have ever gone over 1,000 in a single season: Heyward, Okoye.

here's betting Jacobs doesn't either. He's too big,too lumbering and lacks game speed to be a truly effective workhorse back.

4.4 speed is great and all, but like Matt Jones, They both play slower their advertized speeds.

 
nygiants56 said:
going strictly by NFL history here, only two backs at or over 260lbs have ever gone over 1,000 in a single season: Heyward, Okoye.here's betting Jacobs doesn't either. He's too big,too lumbering and lacks game speed to be a truly effective workhorse back.4.4 speed is great and all, but like Matt Jones, They both play slower their advertized speeds.
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If Jacobs lineman continue to block people into his knee i doubt he reaches 100 yards for the year.
 
nygiants56 said:
going strictly by NFL history here, only two backs at or over 260lbs have ever gone over 1,000 in a single season: Heyward, Okoye.here's betting Jacobs doesn't either. He's too big,too lumbering and lacks game speed to be a truly effective workhorse back.4.4 speed is great and all, but like Matt Jones, They both play slower their advertized speeds.
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:football:Both Heyward and Okoye were significantly shorter than Jacobs. I don't know if that's good or bad -- just pointing it out.There's never been a 6-4 starting RB in the history of the NFL. And very few RBs have been productive over the height of 6'2 (Chris Brown, Antowain Smith, Eddie George are the only ones who come to mind).
 
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