#1WR in Jax? (1 Viewer)

Dave Stauff · Jul 25, 2006

Hadn't seen this posted elsewhere. PFW "Fantasy Buzz" (July 2006) reports "The Jaguars' coaching staff believes Reggie Williams can become a #1 receiver with Jimmy Smith opting for retirement. Most observers view Matt Jones as a more realistic first option."

How do you decipher this statement? Does PFW have ears in the coaches huddle that the rest of us do not? Is this simply coachspeak to motivate Williams? Or could it be that the coaching staff's thinking differs from a majority of the Shark Pool?

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Two very talented WRs with different games. Debating over who will be the #1 of the future is kind of meaningless IMHO.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

Z-Dog · Jul 25, 2006

You don't draft a WR in the first round because you think he CAN'T be a number one. But basically, Jones is still learning a new position. While I'm impressed with him, it is unreasonable to place the expectations on him to replace Jimmy Smith. Even though he's starting in Smith's slot, the coaching staff will not place the expectations of being the #1 receiver for the team.

Kleck · Jul 25, 2006

I watched just about every down of Williams college career at UW. He was able to post some big stats against college level talent, but I can't say I every saw him make any "spectacular" plays. I won't be surprised to see him have an average NFL career going year to year as a WR2 or WR3 in Jacksonville or various other teams.

ydub · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Two very talented WRs with different games. Debating over who will be the #1 of the future is kind of meaningless IMHO.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

Did you just compare Reggie Williams to Jerry Rice? And versatile? I don't

know if you've ever seen Williams play(in the NFL) but the guy can't catch the ball in traffic and he can't do anything with it in space. Zero ability to pickup yards after the catch. Helluva blocker though. He'll never be more than a poor, homeless, and destitute man's Keyshawn Johnson. In a lousy offense with a dearth of talent, he has the capability to be a marginal #2 (maybe) with superior coaching. More likely a journeyman WR3/4.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Two very talented WRs with different games. Debating over who will be the #1 of the future is kind of meaningless IMHO.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

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Did you just compare Reggie Williams to Jerry Rice?

No I did not.

Bob_Magaw · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Two very talented WRs with different games. Debating over who will be the #1 of the future is kind of meaningless IMHO.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

jones is somewhat of a singular talent... difficult to compare him to those that came before... i can't think of too many other 6'6" 240 lb dudes that could run a 4.3 with vacuum cleaner hands and elite RAC skills...he is in a class or set of one player... WHITE LIGHTNING!

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

Did you just compare Reggie Williams to Jerry Rice?

No

And versatile? I don't

know if you've ever seen Williams play(in the NFL)

Yes I saw him play almost every week in the Pac10, additionally I watch every game in the NFL. So most likely I've seen him play more than you have.

but the guy can't catch the ball in traffic and he can't do anything with it in space. Zero ability to pickup yards after the catch.

Well, Reggie came out of school early and like I said in my WR critique was still on pace for 40+ receptions and 700 yards, that's better than just about every 22 year old in the game.But feel free to write him off.

Mike Anderson · Jul 25, 2006

It would not shock me in the slightest to see Reggie as the NFL #1 WR, but Matt Jones dominate him in Fantasy Points.......

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

NFL Films has a clip of a Ref asking who the TE is and Del Rio responding that a Wide Receiver we drafted #1 ..or something to that effect.

Del Rio should listen to the referee. Williams runs like a TE not a WR. I can't see him being a #1 WR in NFL.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

NFL Films has a clip of a Ref asking who the TE is and Del Rio responding that a Wide Receiver we drafted #1 ..or something to that effect.

Del Rio should listen to the referee. Williams runs like a TE not a WR. I can't see him being a #1 WR in NFL.

Reggie was drafted as the 9th overall pick despite 4.5 times in the 40. Plenty of recent HOFers that couldn't run a 4.4 forty.

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

It's not just the 40 time. It's quickness,fluidity, getting in and out of breaks. He doesn't run well. 4.5 shocks me because he looks awkward and clumsy in pads. He's an NFL TE more than an NFL WR..or a Hybrid between the two at best. He blocks well and can catch the ball but aint gonna do much with it. Heck maybe there is hope he can be poor mans Keyshawn cause he only runs a little more awkwardly than Keyshawn. Key knows how to position himself though.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

It's not just the 40 time. It's quickness,fluidity, getting in and out of breaks. He doesn't run well. 4.5 shocks me because he looks awkward and clumsy in pads. He's an NFL TE more than an NFL WR..or a Hybrid between the two at best. He blocks well and can catch the ball but aint gonna do much with it. Heck maybe there is hope he can be poor mans Keyshawn cause he only runs a little more awkwardly than Keyshawn. Key knows how to position himself though.

Reggie was definitely drafted as a project. He definitely has room to improve in all areas.

JaxBill · Jul 25, 2006

Jones has been running Jimmy Smith's routes as the X receiver. Reggie Williams is the other starter (for now). Some think it's just a matter of time before Wilford starts over Reggie. Wilford has been clutch in the Red Zone. It wouldn't surprise me to see Wilford stay WR3 but score more fantasy points than Reggie Williams.

As far as Jones, he still is very unpolished. The most aggravating part of watching him last year was watching him try to catch the ball one-handed on occasion (instead of trying to get the other hand away from the defender).

duaneok66 · Jul 25, 2006

You don't draft a WR in the first round because you think he CAN'T be a number one.

Maybe, but at some point, you have to be realistic . . .Wilford will be #1 there before its over . . . the other two receivers have the hype because they were 1st round picks . . . Wilford just produces . . .

Z-Dog · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

Mr. Brownstone · Jul 25, 2006

It's not just the 40 time. It's quickness,fluidity, getting in and out of breaks. He doesn't run well. 4.5 shocks me because he looks awkward and clumsy in pads. He's an NFL TE more than an NFL WR..or a Hybrid between the two at best. He blocks well and can catch the ball but aint gonna do much with it. Heck maybe there is hope he can be poor mans Keyshawn cause he only runs a little more awkwardly than Keyshawn. Key knows how to position himself though.

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Reggie was definitely drafted as a project. He definitely has room to improve in all areas.

Reggie Williams was considered to be one of the more polished WR's in the draft.

mightyeskimo · Jul 25, 2006

My money is still on Jones simply because he's been the only one playing in that position X. The other position (flanker I think) has been rotated between Williams and Wilford. Until that changes, I think Jones comes out ahead in FP out of the 3. Long term, who the h$&& know.

Jiggyonthehut · Jul 25, 2006

NFL Films has a clip of a Ref asking who the TE is and Del Rio responding that a Wide Receiver we drafted #1 ..or something to that effect.

Del Rio should listen to the referee. Williams runs like a TE not a WR. I can't see him being a #1 WR in NFL.

Uhh....Wilford ran in the low 4.8 region. If anyone runs like a TE, its Wilford.

Kit Fisto · Jul 25, 2006

Why is it that when Mike Shanahan and Bill Parcells speak about their RBs, they're telling the truth, but when Jack Del Rio and the Jax coaches speak about Reggie Williams, it's "motivational coach-speak", and Ernest Wilford is really the best WR in Jacksonville?

How about a little objectivity fellas?

jurb26 · Jul 25, 2006

Why is it that when Mike Shanahan and Bill Parcells speak about their RBs, they're telling the truth, but when Jack Del Rio and the Jax coaches speak about Reggie Williams, it's "motivational coach-speak", and Ernest Wilford is really the best WR in Jacksonville?

How about a little objectivity fellas?

sholditch · Jul 25, 2006

As far as progression I'd put Jones well ahead.

JaxBill · Jul 25, 2006

Why is it that when Mike Shanahan and Bill Parcells speak about their RBs, they're telling the truth, but when Jack Del Rio and the Jax coaches speak about Reggie Williams, it's "motivational coach-speak", and Ernest Wilford is really the best WR in Jacksonville?

How about a little objectivity fellas?

I don't think you can be any more objectve than 950 yds / 9 TDs in 2 years vs 700 yds / 1 TD in 2 years.

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

Santana Moss- Showed potential on Special TeamsSteve Smith - over 800 yards in second year and pro bowl return man

Hines Ward- QB working his way into becoming a WR. Still over 600 yards and 7 TDs by 2nd season

Moulds- Great Special Teamer in first 2 years showed he had potential.

Mason- A 4th rounder who was a project. btw Hines and S Smith were only 3rd rounders as well. Not 1st rounder like Reggie W

Cris Carter- 700 yards 6 TDs by 2nd year..and that's while abusing substances

Jimmy Smith - major serious injury to start his career. By his second year of really playing he had 1244 yards

Reggie Williams isn't going to be as good asany of these guys..and it wont even be close. He can't run well. These other guys could.

edit to add Santana..Those guys Santana/Smith are kinda in same mold to me...fast quick guys who showed potential on special teams before really breaking out

Cenobite · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

Tell that to 6' 8" Harold Carmichael, he of the 13 seasons with the Eagles! I think in the past 7 years we have seen taller WRs due, in part, to the NFLs success in attracting better athletes to the game. Kids are playing football at a younger age than ever before and the taller kids are no longer just playing basketball. I think M. Jones' talent is so raw that he may actually be better as his carreer progresses. This year will be very telling for Williams. If he doesn't produce, he may not be given the chance to succeed next year.

jurb26 · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

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Steve Smith - over 800 yards in second year and pro bowl return manHines Ward- QB working his way into becoming a WR. Still over 600 yards and 7 TDs by 2nd season

Moulds- Great Special Teamer in first 2 years showed he had potential.

Mason- A 4th rounder who was a project. btw Hines and S Smith were only 3rd rounders as well. Not 1st rounder like Reggie W

Cris Carter- 700 yards 6 TDs by 2nd year..and that's while abusing substances

Jimmy Smith - major serious injury to start his career. By his second year of really playing he had 1244 yards

Reggie Williams isn't going to be as good asany of these guys..and it wont even be close. He can't run well. These other guys could.

Carter abd Moulds were not good runners.

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

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Steve Smith - over 800 yards in second year and pro bowl return manHines Ward- QB working his way into becoming a WR. Still over 600 yards and 7 TDs by 2nd season

Moulds- Great Special Teamer in first 2 years showed he had potential.

Mason- A 4th rounder who was a project. btw Hines and S Smith were only 3rd rounders as well. Not 1st rounder like Reggie W

Cris Carter- 700 yards 6 TDs by 2nd year..and that's while abusing substances

Jimmy Smith - major serious injury to start his career. By his second year of really playing he had 1244 yards

Reggie Williams isn't going to be as good asany of these guys..and it wont even be close. He can't run well. These other guys could.

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Carter abd Moulds were not good runners.

Moulds definately could. You must have watched when he was hurt or something.Carter ran well for a guy his height. And had excellent feet and could make things happen after a catch too. Running and Body Movement Way better than Reggie .

regarding Moulds vs Reggie. 1st year as a starter 3rd year in league. Moulds 67 1368 20.4 9 . 1300 yards at 20 a catch NFW Reggie could ever do that the way he runs. Moulds showed in first two years as a return man he had that explosiveness.

jurb26 · Jul 25, 2006

Moulds definately could. You must have watched when he was hurt or something.

Carter ran well for a guy his height. And had excellent feet and could make things happen after a catch too. Running and Body Movement Way better than Reggie .

Maybe so with Moulds. Carter = King of body control and sneaky push off with fantastic hands.

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

Moulds definately could. You must have watched when he was hurt or something.

Carter ran well for a guy his height. And had excellent feet and could make things happen after a catch too. Running and Body Movement Way better than Reggie .

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Maybe so with Moulds. Carter = King of body control and sneaky push off with fantastic hands.

For a 6' 3" guy I'd say Carter ran ok. That height you just need to run average compared to shorter NFL WRs. 6'2" Irvin pushed as well..but these guys also could move like WRs. Reggie doesn't move like a WR...I guess Scouts thought he was young enough to grow into his own body and would move better in a few years after he was drafted. I haven't seen any signs of it yeat.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

It's not just the 40 time. It's quickness,fluidity, getting in and out of breaks. He doesn't run well. 4.5 shocks me because he looks awkward and clumsy in pads. He's an NFL TE more than an NFL WR..or a Hybrid between the two at best. He blocks well and can catch the ball but aint gonna do much with it. Heck maybe there is hope he can be poor mans Keyshawn cause he only runs a little more awkwardly than Keyshawn. Key knows how to position himself though.

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Reggie was definitely drafted as a project. He definitely has room to improve in all areas.

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Reggie Williams was considered to be one of the more polished WR's in the draft.

Disagree. Rarely are underclassmen considered polished.

Z-Dog · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

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Santana Moss- Showed potential on Special TeamsSteve Smith - over 800 yards in second year and pro bowl return man

Hines Ward- QB working his way into becoming a WR. Still over 600 yards and 7 TDs by 2nd season

Moulds- Great Special Teamer in first 2 years showed he had potential.

Mason- A 4th rounder who was a project. btw Hines and S Smith were only 3rd rounders as well. Not 1st rounder like Reggie W

Cris Carter- 700 yards 6 TDs by 2nd year..and that's while abusing substances

Jimmy Smith - major serious injury to start his career. By his second year of really playing he had 1244 yards

Reggie Williams isn't going to be as good asany of these guys..and it wont even be close. He can't run well. These other guys could.

edit to add Santana..Those guys Santana/Smith are kinda in same mold to me...fast quick guys who showed potential on special teams before really breaking out

How about Reggie Wayne? And Javon Walker? You can come up with as many explanations as you like, but if oyu think you can tell which WRs will be good and which are busts solely by looking at their first two years of stats, you're going to miss out on a lot of good players.

Kit Fisto · Jul 25, 2006

I think that with only two years behind him in the NFL, it's a little early to be "realistic" about Reggie Williams. Santana Moss had MUCH worse numbers his first two seasons, and just didn't look capable of playing in the NFL at a high level. Steve Smith was lackluster. Hines Ward is another guy with poor numbers his first two years, along with Eric Moulds (who couldn't break 300 yards his first two years), Derrick Mason, and Cris Carter (who broke 1,000 yards for this first time in his 7th season). Hey, and let's not forget that Jimmy Smith only reached 25 career receptions in his fifth season!

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Santana Moss- Showed potential on Special TeamsSteve Smith - over 800 yards in second year and pro bowl return man

Hines Ward- QB working his way into becoming a WR. Still over 600 yards and 7 TDs by 2nd season

Moulds- Great Special Teamer in first 2 years showed he had potential.

Mason- A 4th rounder who was a project. btw Hines and S Smith were only 3rd rounders as well. Not 1st rounder like Reggie W

Cris Carter- 700 yards 6 TDs by 2nd year..and that's while abusing substances

Jimmy Smith - major serious injury to start his career. By his second year of really playing he had 1244 yards

Reggie Williams isn't going to be as good asany of these guys..and it wont even be close. He can't run well. These other guys could.

edit to add Santana..Those guys Santana/Smith are kinda in same mold to me...fast quick guys who showed potential on special teams before really breaking out

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How about Reggie Wayne? And Javon Walker? You can come up with as many explanations as you like, but if oyu think you can tell which WRs will be good and which are busts solely by looking at their first two years of stats, you're going to miss out on a lot of good players.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

but if oyu think you can tell which WRs will be good and which are busts solely by looking at their first two years of stats, you're going to miss out on a lot of good players.

Especially if they come out as underclassmen.

Lightning Fast Whip · Jul 25, 2006

I'm not just looking at Stats. First thing I posted here was about how he doesn't move like a WR. That's my starting point on why he wont become a real #1 in NFL.

Wayne/Walker moved like NFL WRs. Rreggie Williams does not.

matt jones · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie sucks.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie sucks.

So much so that he's likely going to be starting in the NFL as a 23 year old, after starting several games as a 22 year old.

EBF · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

diesel7982 · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

Not to take either side here, but Reggie looks an awful lot like Mike Williams...both in the pros and in college.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

diesel7982 · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

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Just for clarity, if Reggie Williams had played football at Wisconsin, instead of in the Pac-10 at UW, would your opinion be the same?

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

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Just for clarity, if Reggie Williams had played football at Wisconsin, instead of in the Pac-10 at UW, would your opinion be the same?

Well, I try to watch all of the top pro prospects as much as possible, but most likely I wouldn't have seen as much Reggie had he played outside of the Pac10. So to answer your question, I would probably not be as confident in my assertions regarding Williams.

diesel7982 · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

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Just for clarity, if Reggie Williams had played football at Wisconsin, instead of in the Pac-10 at UW, would your opinion be the same?

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Well, I try to watch all of the top pro prospects as much as possible, but most likely I wouldn't have seen as much Reggie had he played outside of the Big10. So to answer your question, I wouldn't probably be as confident in my assertions regarding Williams.

Was just curious. I used to talk football with another guy from the great Northwest who always went on about how great the Pac-10 was, and he loved Reggie Williams too. I always thought he looked a little slow, and was surprised the Jags went after him, but he did have alot of big games in college.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

I always thought he looked a little slow, and was surprised the Jags went after him, but he did have alot of big games in college.

I think his size and running style make him look slower than he is. He was running in the 4.5's which isn't great, but it's not a deal breaker either. Afterall, the GOAT didn't run a 4.4 and he is...well, the GOAT.

Jiggyonthehut · Jul 25, 2006

He moved like a WR in college.

He doesn't look like a TE here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHMp3sqK0Fc...ggie%20williams

I'm reluctant to believe that Williams will be Jacksonville's #1 WR any time in the near future, but I'm not sure why so many people seem violently opposed to the idea of a 23 year-old top 10 pick finally paying some dividends. Maybe there are a lot of angry Wilford owners out there and maybe some of the skepticism is warranted, but I personally don't like to discount guys with Reggie's draft profile until it's absolutely clear that they can't play.

Keep in mind that video was from this seasons' mini-camp, not longer than two months ago. :thumbup:

Maurile Tremblay · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

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Tell that to 6' 8" Harold Carmichael, he of the 13 seasons with the Eagles!

Even LHUCKS's example, Jerry Rice, was one of the bigger WRs in the league when he entered. In 1985, a 6-2, 200 lb WR like Rice was huge.Even aside from that, most WRs are small, so it figures that most WRs with good longevity are small. If only 5% of WRs in general are over 6-3, we can't expect half of the WRs with great longevity to be over 6-3. Par would be one out of twenty.

Maurile Tremblay · Jul 25, 2006

I think Matt Jones will be special, and it could be as soon as this year. Anyone who watched him in college can't doubt his overall athleticism. The question is whether he can become a polished WR.

In the practices leading up to the Senior Bowl (highlights of which are online somewhere), he showed great body control and hands. He timed his jumps well, and was able to adjust to the ball in the air. This is the stuff you can't teach. Matt Jones has natural wide receiver skills.

The stuff you can -- and have to -- teach is mostly the correct footwork and discipline on patterns, as well as an understanding of how to recognize different defensive looks and coverages. Jones is probably far ahead of most young WRs on the latter point, having played QB in college.

And Jones proved last year that his good hands during Senior Bowl week were not a fluke. Even as an NFL rookie, he showed natural, soft hands in games. (Many rookie WRs struggle to catch the ball due to lack of concentration.)

So what's left for him to be a complete WR? He may have to substantially improve his route-running. I haven't seen enough of him to have a strong opinion on his ability to run a disciplined out pattern, for example. (It's hard to evaluate on TV.) Maybe he's already pretty much got it down, or maybe he still needs a lot of work. I suspect the latter just because it's not a very instinctive skill, and Jones hasn't been doing it for very long. But really, it's not something that somebody with good natural athleticism shouldn't be able to get the hang of with a lot of work -- and Jones has plenty of natural athleticism.

If he can't run good patterns, Jones will be limited mostly to catching short passes (screens, slants) and running with them, or going deep. He won't get separation against NFL CBs on intermediate routes. But last year as a rookie, many of the passes he caught were on intermediate routes. So he may be well on his way to being a complete WR already.

I think the Jaguars' WRs as a group are being undervalued in fantasy drafts this year. They don't have a top-level tight end or an elite pass-catching RB. (Nor do the Jaguars have a history of thowing a lot to the TE and RBs.) I'd expect the TEs and RBs to catch between 100 and 115 passes between them. That should leave 190-200 receptions for the WRs.

I think it's likely that the number one WR will have 65-70 receptions, and the number two guy will have 55-60 receptions (with the number three guy getting 45-50 receptions).

If you think that Jones and Williams will be the number one and number two WRs, respectively, and if you think the above numbers are reasonable for them, they are both being way undervalued according to their current ADP.

Marc Levin · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams = more talented.

Matt Jones = better football player.

EWilford = ideal backup.

IMO, the better football player wins out over a better talent that hasn't been much of a football player (similar to the Hearst/Barlow debates back in the day).

That said, I think RWilliams should have a decent season as the WR2 and will finally start earning his top-10 draft day selection.

I see 125+ targets to MJones, >100 to RWilliams, 65-75 to EWilford.

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

I think it's likely that the number one WR will have 65-70 receptions, the number two guy will have 55-60 receptions (with the number three guy getting 45-50 receptions).

If you think that Jones and Williams will be the number one and number two WRs, respectively, and if you think the above numbers are reasonable for them, they are both being way undervalued according to their current ADP.

Marc Levin · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

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Tell that to 6' 8" Harold Carmichael, he of the 13 seasons with the Eagles!

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Even LHUCKS's example, Jerry Rice, was one of the bigger WRs in the league when he entered. In 1985, a 6-2, 200 lb WR like Rice was huge.Even aside from that, most WRs are small, so it figures that most WRs with good longevity are small. If only 5% of WRs in general are over 6-3, we can't expect half of the WRs with great longevity to be over 6-3. Par would be one out of twenty.

besides, the Jags seem intent on building a tall WR crew:MJOnes = 6'6"

RWilliams = 6'4"

EWilford = 6'4"

rookie Mercedes Lewis at TE = 6'6"

LHUCKS · Jul 25, 2006

Reggie Williams is a more versatile WR IMHO. Matt Jones is a better deep threat/redzone target.

Over the long haul my money is on Williams having more longevity and long term success while Jones may peak earlier and higher, but have a shorter career. WRs with Jones' height don't typically last as long as the Tim Brown's or Jerry Rice's.

Click to expand...

Tell that to 6' 8" Harold Carmichael, he of the 13 seasons with the Eagles!

Click to expand...

Even LHUCKS's example, Jerry Rice, was one of the bigger WRs in the league when he entered. In 1985, a 6-2, 200 lb WR like Rice was huge.Even aside from that, most WRs are small, so it figures that most WRs with good longevity are small. If only 5% of WRs in general are over 6-3, we can't expect half of the WRs with great longevity to be over 6-3. Par would be one out of twenty.

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besides, the Jags seem intent on building a tall WR crew:MJOnes = 6'6"

RWilliams = 6'4"

EWilford = 6'4"

rookie Mercedes Lewis at TE = 6'6"

seriously...I think they're trying to challenge the Detroit Pistons for best frontcourt.

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