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Any chance Gates outperforms Witten this year? (1 Viewer)
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Yes. There is a chance.
Johnny Ice
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Gates has scored no lower than 8 TDs after his rookie season, now fully healthy I wouldn't be shocked if he scored 10-12.
Gr00vus
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Dancing Bear
Footballguy
I don't think that Gates out-performs Witten in 2009.
Witten will continue to be Romo's primary receiver when the going gets tough.
Rivers has too many other receiving alternatives and Gates' lack of opportunities will not allow him to beat Witten. Take a look at Gates' drop in production at the end of 2007 after Chambers got up to speed [yes while he was healthy]. It is a huge drop-off, and he is no longer the only receiving weapon.
Witten will continue to be Romo's primary receiver when the going gets tough.
Rivers has too many other receiving alternatives and Gates' lack of opportunities will not allow him to beat Witten. Take a look at Gates' drop in production at the end of 2007 after Chambers got up to speed [yes while he was healthy]. It is a huge drop-off, and he is no longer the only receiving weapon.
Me too.Read the info in his player spotlight.Picked right before me in our draft. Put me in a funk the rest of the day.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
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gianmarco
Footballguy
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
I like Gates too, the only thing that worries me is the emergence of Vincent Jackson
years ago, Gates was the one and only guy in SD...now, they have more options - Sproles, LT2, VJ, Gates, Chambers, etc..
Judging by the way Witten has been used in preseason, it's going to be hard for Gates to beat him...Witten could be on the verge of the best season for a TE, ever..it seems he's the only guy that Romo trusts ...
years ago, Gates was the one and only guy in SD...now, they have more options - Sproles, LT2, VJ, Gates, Chambers, etc..
Judging by the way Witten has been used in preseason, it's going to be hard for Gates to beat him...Witten could be on the verge of the best season for a TE, ever..it seems he's the only guy that Romo trusts ...
NJ
Footballguy
In ppr I just don't see any way Gates outperforms Witten assuming they both play 16 games. In the preseason action I've seen, Romo has appeared to be locked onto Witten even more than past years and the lack of T.O. on the field didn't seem to have much of an affect on Witten's ability to get open.
But I'd agree that Gates is probably the better value play given how high Witten is likely to be drafted.
But I'd agree that Gates is probably the better value play given how high Witten is likely to be drafted.
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Bankerguy
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I think they will be very close as others have mentioned. I see little advantage in having one over the other. Witten will outproduce Gates in catches and yards and I would give Gates the nod on TD's. Overall Witten has more potential to put bigger numbers but not by much. There is not much to choose between these 2 excellent players.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Gates has not has less than 8 TDs since his rookie year, and Witten has NEVER had 8 TD season in his entire career.
Gates has been in the top 4 five times, and Witten has been in the top 4 three times.
Gates has been the #1 guy at his position 3 times, Witten has been the #1 guy ONCE (in 2007 when he beat Gates by 5 fantasy points, so one more TD from Gates that year and it would have been 4 times at #1 to 0 times).
Gates' maximum fantasy points in a season is 174 points (followed by a very close 170). Witten's max is 157, followed by 134.
Gates minimum fantasy points in a season (after his rookie year) was 118 points (when he was hurt last year). Witten's min is 81 points.
So yeah, I'd say there's a "chance". People seem to have very short memories sometimes.
Gates has been in the top 4 five times, and Witten has been in the top 4 three times.
Gates has been the #1 guy at his position 3 times, Witten has been the #1 guy ONCE (in 2007 when he beat Gates by 5 fantasy points, so one more TD from Gates that year and it would have been 4 times at #1 to 0 times).
Gates' maximum fantasy points in a season is 174 points (followed by a very close 170). Witten's max is 157, followed by 134.
Gates minimum fantasy points in a season (after his rookie year) was 118 points (when he was hurt last year). Witten's min is 81 points.
So yeah, I'd say there's a "chance". People seem to have very short memories sometimes.
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I see them as TE1(a) and TE1(b) Gonzo is 3rd by a good margin.Same thing here. I actually have VJax on my keeper team and am depating going after Gates in my auction next week. Both him and Witten are available but Gates will go at a much lower pricetag.Do you think I can get by with Jackson as my WR3 and Gates as my TE?Tanner9919 said:
sirfumblesalot
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I think Gates will outperform Witten. My consideration would be the presence of Martellus Bennett. From things I've read/heard he's developed significantly from last year in terms of his maturity and dedication to the game. I believe he's 6'7" and would be a real challenge to cover in the red zone; just throw it up and let him grab it. Based upon that and (I believe I read) the Cowboys move to 2 TE sets, I think Witten will be solid, but not spectacular this season.
Did you just draft Gates or something? Ha, just kidding. Since Romo become the starter Witten has finished #1 in '07 and #2 in '08. I think they're both really comparable but I prefer Witten because he's Romo's best friend on and off the field, and he's a warrior who plays hurt.But Tony G is typically going a round later than both, he's the real value.
Clark has suffered a couple too many concussions for me to spend a 5 or 6 round pick on him.
Several reasons to be wary of Gonzo. For one, only three times in history has a 33+ year old posted 100+ fantasy points (Walls had 154 at 33, Sharpe had 125 @ 35, and Novacek had 100 @ 33). Sure, Gonzo's best comparison is definitely Sharpe, but Sharpe had 93 points at 33 and 87 points at 34. 33 has historically been a bad age to be a TE. This is also further compounded by Gonzo moving teams and schemes. He had an awesome year last year (the best year by a 30+ year old TE in history), but the reason he's going a lot later than Witten and Gates is because he's much riskier than Witten and Gates.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
Witten in PPR, Gates in non-PPR. Witten is being drafted way too high.
Gonzo is way overrated. New team, old.
Olsen is being drafted at his ceiling/potential - no thanks
Clark is an injury risk, but a stud when healthy
Cooley is steady and is falling in drafts due to low TDs last year. That won't happen again.
Value plays are Gates, Cooley.
Gonzo is way overrated. New team, old.
Olsen is being drafted at his ceiling/potential - no thanks
Clark is an injury risk, but a stud when healthy
Cooley is steady and is falling in drafts due to low TDs last year. That won't happen again.
Value plays are Gates, Cooley.
Manster
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half dozen, six to another.
what i'm seein in the Cowboys offense is a more ball control approach. Witten will move the chains and could get more redzone ops.
Bennett will definately get some balls his way. but, i could see his presence helping Witten, in that he might be pushing Witten. Witten looks a bit quicker to me this preseason.
on the flipside, Gates is VERY GOOD. and if he's healthy, he'll be right in there for TE #1. so, he is prolly the better value due to ADP.
what i'm seein in the Cowboys offense is a more ball control approach. Witten will move the chains and could get more redzone ops.
Bennett will definately get some balls his way. but, i could see his presence helping Witten, in that he might be pushing Witten. Witten looks a bit quicker to me this preseason.
on the flipside, Gates is VERY GOOD. and if he's healthy, he'll be right in there for TE #1. so, he is prolly the better value due to ADP.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I own him in one dynasty league. I just am a little surprised that Gates topping Witten would be viewed as some big upset or surprise, based on one "down" year from Gates when he was clearly hurt vs the career domination by Gates over Witten. Gates didn't put up those monster stats all those years by accident. Vincent Jackson has maybe drawn a few opportunities from Gates, but he has always had to deal with LT.Very recent history would be in Witten's favor, but while you can look at Witten's upward trend as a function of Romo, I think part of it could be the presence of TO as well. Now that there's no TO, will Witten be as lightly covered as he has been in past couple of years?I understand the debate and respect both sides, it's just the way it was phrased that tweaked me a little bit.
Matt Waldman
Footballguy
If you're considering Witten, I would hope that Roy Williams is ready to go in September and plays well. Otherwise, I think Witten will be the guy that defenses focus on taking out of the game. Gates is healthy, LT is healthy, and Vincent Jackson is beginning to ascend to true primary receiver status. I'm beginning to like Gates' chances to overtake Witten. However, I would still be happy with either one right now. Gates is the better potential value because he is going a round or two later in many drafts.
az_prof
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Both of these are good posts and it seems to me that it could go either way. One thing that could hurt Witten though is TO leaving. I know that sounds contradictory because of how many looks TO demands--but if I am a DC playing Dallas now who do I scheme to stop? Which of their receivers do I double? My guess is that Witten will find it harder to get open. Also, the team as a whole will not move the ball as well--which means fewer first downs and therefore fewer attempts.
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bud reid gov job
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You probably meant to say, "there is a chance if Shiancoe doesn't play 16 games"
Leonard Henry -2 Yds
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Is there a chance Todd Heap outperforms Vernon Davis this year?
