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Yea, I'd be shocked if "Celebrity" ends up anything near in weight to Military or Leader categories. I think I posted this before: it's a 20th century invention, and even something of a joke to be included.
The made a movie about him too. Celebrity.
It is a joke, but it's a joke we all live with.Plus, Flysack, it may not be such a bad thing that the most famous people in the world today (and in the last 100 years) are no longer military leaders or kings, as they used to be. The fact that the careers of celebrities these days are relatively useless may actually be a positive...
"Scholarly" people refuse to acknowledge a lot of things the Bible teaches also. I think it's less of an education thing and more of a faith thing.tim asked me to jump in here and give my take on things. As far as I'm concerned, the only book that is in question is Hebrews. I've yet to see good reasons for me to not accept that all of the letters attributed to Paul were written by Paul.larry_boy_44 said:scholarly people pretty much agree with exactly what you say...pure laymen pretty much take them all to be genuine...timschochet said:
its an education thing...
Maybe he'll be my celebrity.
Given the diversity of his expertise, he's easily one of the top intellectuals all time. He was exceptionally gifted as a scientist, political theorist, politician, author, printer, satirist, inventor, civic activist, statesman, and diplomat. Few if anyone has had similar success in such varied areas. I guess it depends on how the category is graded, if you're looking for one specific area to judge vs. the whole person he may not be top 20, but I think intellectual has to be graded on the whole.
"Scholarly" people refuse to acknowledge a lot of things the Bible teaches also. I think it's less of an education thing and more of a faith thing.tim asked me to jump in here and give my take on things. As far as I'm concerned, the only book that is in question is Hebrews. I've yet to see good reasons for me to not accept that all of the letters attributed to Paul were written by Paul.larry_boy_44 said:scholarly people pretty much agree with exactly what you say...pure laymen pretty much take them all to be genuine...timschochet said:
its an education thing...
yes, because all scholars have no faith...
I think he has an argument to be the #1 composer...
No, and I should have been more clear on that. But most people that are usually trotted out as "biblical scholars" are usually more impressed with their own opinions than they are with God's word. Not all, but more often than not."Scholarly" people refuse to acknowledge a lot of things the Bible teaches also. I think it's less of an education thing and more of a faith thing.tim asked me to jump in here and give my take on things. As far as I'm concerned, the only book that is in question is Hebrews. I've yet to see good reasons for me to not accept that all of the letters attributed to Paul were written by Paul.larry_boy_44 said:scholarly people pretty much agree with exactly what you say...pure laymen pretty much take them all to be genuine...timschochet said:
its an education thing...
We'll see how the judges weigh in, but he was my #1 leader, and as you note his influence radically altered the course of human history.
we're gonna be ranked by the judges then let the FFA vote on what team they like best...you can draft for whatever you want since none of it actually matters, though... lol
The answer is, there will be two forms of judging: first, the category judges plus myself for the wildcard picks. Then, a playoff for the FFA. The playoff is mostly for fun, though the first place prize is tied to it. You can treat both evaluations as equal or put more weight on one, as you choose. Personally, I assign a lot more weight to the judges, because they're carefully weighing all of this out.
My take is that I'm not turning this thread into an introspective on Christian doctrine. And I, of course, disagree with your earlier post and ranking.timschochet said:
Only for people that haven't been forced to play his god awful simplistictly naive music. I don't know who I hate more in classical music, him or Mozart.Sorry, had to vent. He was destined to be picked. Good job and all that.
This is actually a good point. Much of his "diplomacy" when he was overseas consisted of him being the celebrity American and representation of all of us. The stories about how people thought of Americans based on him are pretty part of the important stort his life tells.Oh, and he definately deserves to be drafted. A lot of Americans do. Like I said, the drafters that ignore the most powerful empire in the history of man are doing themselves a disservice.
I get that you hated to play them, but has it soured you so much that you won't even listen to them?
There is no soul to Bach's music. It's formulaic and simple. Bach became a warmup exercise to me so that I could enjoy Beethoven. ETA - obviously my opinion. I'd be willing to bet that people trained in classical piano have their favorites and hates and biases with the composers we all know and, "love." I hated Bach and Mozart. I'm sure there are those that hate Beethoven and XXXXXXXXXXX.
I've never willingly listened to them...
Well done, Acer! He is in my second tier, and is second in that group (fourth overall). He was Genghis Khan's most capable general, and became the essentially the Chief Operating Officer when Ghenghis Khan became the CEO. There is a modern parallel to this, but I don't want to spotlight. He was picked by Genghis Khan, even though he had no family connections, and it demonstrated to the Mongols that Genghis was only concerned with merit.
Would tend to agree as well. Listen to classical a fair amount and usually can't get through much of Bach. Something about it...
That's pretty harsh. I'm certainly no Bach expert, and I've never tried to play classical music, but I enjoy listening to it. He's not my favorite composer, but I like him. And you gotta admit that among the critics of classical music, there is almost no one more beloved.
Wait a minute. You picked a composer that you NEVER listen to?
I was never good at playing classical music, but I've enjoyed listening a lot. I'll say there are a couple somewhat lesser known musicians who I'm hoping to get later, just because I like their music better than Bach. Solid pick and all, I agree with Yankee though, just not a fan. Matter of fact, I have 8 different classical artists on my computer, and no Bach.
I've never listened to any composer willingly...I've just never really gotten into classical music...however, I'm fully aware of how important Mozart, Beethoven, & Bach are...Plus, I always loved building JS Bach's Cathedral in Civ... so there is that...
He's not my favorite either. I don't particularly like fugues. But I do enjoy the Brandenburg Concertos, and some cantatas, such as "Sheep May Safely Graze", are things of beauty.
I'm just giving you crap, Larry. There will probably be lots of people in this draft who choose artists they've never seen, composers they never listen to, authors they've never read. That's just the way these things go.I've never listened to any composer willingly...I've just never really gotten into classical music...however, I'm fully aware of how important Mozart, Beethoven, & Bach are...Plus, I always loved building JS Bach's Cathedral in Civ... so there is that...
I've just been waiting to throw that Civ line out there since I made the pick...I'm just giving you crap, Larry. There will probably be lots of people in this draft who choose artists they've never seen, composers they never listen to, authors they've never read. That's just the way these things go.I've never listened to any composer willingly...I've just never really gotten into classical music...however, I'm fully aware of how important Mozart, Beethoven, & Bach are...Plus, I always loved building JS Bach's Cathedral in Civ... so there is that...
Fine observation, but what do you expect? Feminism is largely a 20th century phenomenon.Africa and the Americas didn't conquer, slaughter, and enslave Europe. By the odds and circumstances, these figures look about right. As far as long-lived civilizations go, three Chinese have been taken, and a Chinese man went #1 overall. If there's a glaring absence vis a vis history and circumstance, it's the absence of Egyptians.
All true.
You don't like him either? It's amazing to me how many people here seem to despise Bach.
Only one persons opinion matters there. Let the ### kissing commence.
No, its a MASH quoteLove Story.January 7, 1973Written by Laurence MarksDirected by Earl BellamyGuest Stars: Kelly Jean Peters, Indira Danks, Barbara Brownell Radar gets a "Dear John" letter. To help cheer him up, Hawkeye and Trapper try to help him with a new nurse who's into classical literature and music. Radar's "Ahhhh, Bach!" and "That's highly significant", quotes win him a friend in the nurse.
I'm not sure either Rebel or Leader is his best category. In fact I didn't have him ranked in either, though in retrospect I'm sure he fits in somewhere solidly among Rebels. I think there is strong number 1 rebel who hasn't been picked yet.
Nurse Anderson: I'll tell you how I feel about Tolstoy. Radar: That's highly significant. Anderson: I haven't said anything yet! Radar: That's okay, I have confidence in you, lieutenant.Anderson: And of course I never travel anywhere without good old Johann Sebastian. Rader, after a confused pause: Ah! Bach! Anderson: What does that mean, 'Ah, Bach'? Radar: Uh, just that. Ah, Bach! Hawkeye: I think once you've said that you've said it all.
