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AcerFC
Footballguy
Maybe you took his guy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I'm here. I'm working a few briefs all due at the same time. Pick will be up in a few.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
too many people.....
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Andy D should get a kick out of this pick. I'm going recent old school. Antiquity is great, but let's not forget about the recent 300 years or so.
I am selecting, as my intellectual, a statesman, theorist, philosopher and political giant that is considered, in keeping with theme of "father of," the Father of Modern Conservatism.
In May 1778 he supported a motion in Parliament to revise the restrictions on Irish trade. However his constituents in Bristol, a great trading city, urged him to oppose free trade with Ireland. he resisted these demands and said: "If, from this conduct, I shall forfeit their suffrages at an ensuing election, it will stand on record an example to future representatives of the Commons of England, that one man at least had dared to resist the desires of his constituents when his judgment assured him they were wrong". He supported America in its colonial dispute with the King, saying (of the tea duty which we all have come to understand resulted in the Boston Tea Party) :
Again and again, revert to your old principles—seek peace and ensue it; leave America, if she has taxable matter in her, to tax herself. I am not here going into the distinctions of rights, nor attempting to mark their boundaries. I do not enter into these metaphysical distinctions; I hate the very sound of them. Leave the Americans as they anciently stood, and these distinctions, born of our unhappy contest, will die along with it...Be content to bind America by laws of trade; you have always done it...Do not burthen them with taxes...But if intemperately, unwisely, fatally, you sophisticate and poison the very source of government by urging subtle deductions, and consequences odious to those you govern, from the unlimited and illimitable nature of supreme sovereignty, you will teach them by these means to call that sovereignty itself in question...If that sovereignty and their freedom cannot be reconciled, which will they take? They will cast your sovereignty in your face. No body of men will be argued into slavery. Sir, let the gentlemen on the other side...tell me, what one character of liberty the Americans have, and what one brand of slavery they are free from, if they are bound in their property and industry by all the restraints you can imagine on commerce, and at the same time are made pack-horses of every tax you choose to impose, without the least share in granting them. When they bear the burthens of unlimited monopoly, will you bring them to bear the burthens of unlimited revenue too? The Englishman in America will feel that this is slavery; that it is legal slavery, will be no compensation either to his feelings or to his understandings.
His, "Reflections on the Revolution in France" was controversial at the time of its publication. But after his death, it was to become his best-known and most influential work. It is understood to be the manifesto in Conservative thought. In the English-speaking world, he is regarded by most political experts as the father of modern anglo-conservatism. His 'liberal' conservatism, which opposed governing based on abstract ideas to 'organic' reform, can be contrasted with the autocratic conservatism of Continental figures such as several not to be named for spotlighting purposes. His intellectual gifts to political thought ensured that an important framework for what was to become the United States of America, and indeed most of the yet to be born countries searching for liberty and freedom. He is a heavyweight in political thought, and deserves to be honored here.
I select Edmund Burke the great political mind of the 18th century, and the Father of Conservative political thought.
I am selecting, as my intellectual, a statesman, theorist, philosopher and political giant that is considered, in keeping with theme of "father of," the Father of Modern Conservatism.
In May 1778 he supported a motion in Parliament to revise the restrictions on Irish trade. However his constituents in Bristol, a great trading city, urged him to oppose free trade with Ireland. he resisted these demands and said: "If, from this conduct, I shall forfeit their suffrages at an ensuing election, it will stand on record an example to future representatives of the Commons of England, that one man at least had dared to resist the desires of his constituents when his judgment assured him they were wrong". He supported America in its colonial dispute with the King, saying (of the tea duty which we all have come to understand resulted in the Boston Tea Party) :
Again and again, revert to your old principles—seek peace and ensue it; leave America, if she has taxable matter in her, to tax herself. I am not here going into the distinctions of rights, nor attempting to mark their boundaries. I do not enter into these metaphysical distinctions; I hate the very sound of them. Leave the Americans as they anciently stood, and these distinctions, born of our unhappy contest, will die along with it...Be content to bind America by laws of trade; you have always done it...Do not burthen them with taxes...But if intemperately, unwisely, fatally, you sophisticate and poison the very source of government by urging subtle deductions, and consequences odious to those you govern, from the unlimited and illimitable nature of supreme sovereignty, you will teach them by these means to call that sovereignty itself in question...If that sovereignty and their freedom cannot be reconciled, which will they take? They will cast your sovereignty in your face. No body of men will be argued into slavery. Sir, let the gentlemen on the other side...tell me, what one character of liberty the Americans have, and what one brand of slavery they are free from, if they are bound in their property and industry by all the restraints you can imagine on commerce, and at the same time are made pack-horses of every tax you choose to impose, without the least share in granting them. When they bear the burthens of unlimited monopoly, will you bring them to bear the burthens of unlimited revenue too? The Englishman in America will feel that this is slavery; that it is legal slavery, will be no compensation either to his feelings or to his understandings.
His, "Reflections on the Revolution in France" was controversial at the time of its publication. But after his death, it was to become his best-known and most influential work. It is understood to be the manifesto in Conservative thought. In the English-speaking world, he is regarded by most political experts as the father of modern anglo-conservatism. His 'liberal' conservatism, which opposed governing based on abstract ideas to 'organic' reform, can be contrasted with the autocratic conservatism of Continental figures such as several not to be named for spotlighting purposes. His intellectual gifts to political thought ensured that an important framework for what was to become the United States of America, and indeed most of the yet to be born countries searching for liberty and freedom. He is a heavyweight in political thought, and deserves to be honored here.
I select Edmund Burke the great political mind of the 18th century, and the Father of Conservative political thought.
AcerFC
Footballguy
I can not let this pick slide any longer. I do not know where I am going to slot him right now because he can fall into a few categories. I dont want to wait to take him and have someone else select him so here goes.
This man wrote what is arguably one of the greatest documents ever to be written. You can argue that he was a hypocrite and it didnt mean that much because not all believed in it, but it doesnt take away from the actual document itself. You guys can argue that point.
6.16 Thomas Jefferson
From Wiki:
Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826)[1] was the third President of the United States (1801–1809), the principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776), and one of the most influential Founding Fathers for his promotion of the ideals of republicanism in the United States. Major events during his presidency include the Louisiana Purchase (1803) and the XXXX(1804–1806).
As a political philosopher, Jefferson was a man of the Enlightenment and knew many intellectual leaders in Britain and France. He idealized the independent yeoman farmer as exemplar of republican virtues, distrusted cities and financiers, and favored states' rights and a strictly limited federal government. Jefferson supported the separation of church and state[2] and was the author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779, 1786). He was the eponym of Jeffersonian democracy and the co-founder and leader of the Democratic-Republican Party, which dominated American politics for a quarter-century. Jefferson served as the wartime Governor of Virginia (1779–1781), first United States Secretary of State (1789–1793) and second Vice President (1797–1801).
A polymath, Jefferson achieved distinction as, among other things, a horticulturist, statesman, architect, archaeologist, inventor, and founder of the University of Virginia. When President XXXX welcomed forty-nine Nobel Prize winners to the White House in XXXX he said, "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent and of human knowledge that has ever been gathered together at the White House – with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."[3] To date, Jefferson is the only president to serve two full terms in office to veto no bill of Congress. Jefferson has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. presidents.
This man wrote what is arguably one of the greatest documents ever to be written. You can argue that he was a hypocrite and it didnt mean that much because not all believed in it, but it doesnt take away from the actual document itself. You guys can argue that point.
6.16 Thomas Jefferson
From Wiki:
Thomas Jefferson (April 13, 1743 – July 4, 1826)[1] was the third President of the United States (1801–1809), the principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776), and one of the most influential Founding Fathers for his promotion of the ideals of republicanism in the United States. Major events during his presidency include the Louisiana Purchase (1803) and the XXXX(1804–1806).
As a political philosopher, Jefferson was a man of the Enlightenment and knew many intellectual leaders in Britain and France. He idealized the independent yeoman farmer as exemplar of republican virtues, distrusted cities and financiers, and favored states' rights and a strictly limited federal government. Jefferson supported the separation of church and state[2] and was the author of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1779, 1786). He was the eponym of Jeffersonian democracy and the co-founder and leader of the Democratic-Republican Party, which dominated American politics for a quarter-century. Jefferson served as the wartime Governor of Virginia (1779–1781), first United States Secretary of State (1789–1793) and second Vice President (1797–1801).
A polymath, Jefferson achieved distinction as, among other things, a horticulturist, statesman, architect, archaeologist, inventor, and founder of the University of Virginia. When President XXXX welcomed forty-nine Nobel Prize winners to the White House in XXXX he said, "I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent and of human knowledge that has ever been gathered together at the White House – with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."[3] To date, Jefferson is the only president to serve two full terms in office to veto no bill of Congress. Jefferson has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. presidents.
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Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Several pages behind right now, but:
So, are Biblical characters valid in other categories? I guess the question is this rule for the category or the draft?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm out for the day with limited access, but access nonetheless. I'll pick when I get a PM for my turn being up. I think there are some auto skips before me so I don't know who'll be PMing. Thanks.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I'd be happy to argue the point.His pen "wrote" the Declaration of Independence, but that's it. The important 'document' and action in achieving American soveriegnty from the crown in 1776 wasn't the DoI but the Lee Resolution, entered into Congress but Representative Lee at the behest and after the tireless work of another man who led the congressional debate and the fire of revolution in that body. After the introduction of the resolution and its passage on July 2, 1776 - the real date of importance - it was agreed that a document stating why the vote was made should be given as part of the act. 5 men were chosen to as a committe to write the document. Jefferson was one of the five.
He was a great lyrical writer and it was agreed that this talent plus the fact that he was Virginian made him the better choice to write it, instead of the man everyone thought would. The overriding ideals of the document are not Jefferson's but the ideals and work of others. The act of independence was not the work of Jefferson, but of others. There is very little, if any, substance to Thomas Jefferson at all and history puts him in an ivory tower that has a rotten foundation that few ever care to look at.
Ok, my usual stuff is done. It was a given he was going to be taken. Just a question of when.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
That didn't take long.
AcerFC
Footballguy
I knew making the pick, it wasnt going to be the most popular.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
It's FUBAR and he times out in 2 minutes. I have my pick ready but will wait a few extra minutes as a courtesy.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Still don't see FUBAR in the thread, starting my write-up and will post when completed.
Thorn
Footballguy
Just to be clear, the PM is a courtesy, right?
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'm back now, but go ahead. Just don't take my guy
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I've been waiting patiently to make this pick, but I'm not going to chance letting him slide any farther. We've had many fine scientists picked so far, but I'm not sure that any, including Newton, have a stronger case for the top spot than my pick. His work and advances in the fields of Physics, Mathematics, and Astronomy alone would place in the top tier. What sets him apart for me is his pioneering of the Scientific Method, which is absolutely foundational to modern science and has contributed to virtually every major scientific advance for the past millennium. It's hard to even do a full write up of his legacy without massive spotlighting, but I did my best to clean up a brief section of the article below. Just visit the wiki page to be fully blown away by the scope of his accomplishments.
Alhazen - Scientist
Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥasan ibn al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham (Arabic: ابو علی، حسن بن حسن بن الهيثم, Persian: ابن هیثم, Latinized: Alhacen or (deprecated) Alhazen) (965 in Basra - c. 1039 in Cairo), was an Arab[2] or Persian[3] polymath.[4] He made significant contributions to the principles of optics, as well as to anatomy, astronomy, engineering, mathematics, medicine, ophthalmology, philosophy, physics, psychology, visual perception, and to science in general with his introduction of the scientific method. He is sometimes called al-Basri (Arabic: البصري), after his birthplace in the city of Basra.[5]
Born circa 965, in Basra, Iraq and part of Buyid Persia at that time,[1] he lived mainly in Cairo, Egypt, dying there at age 76.[6] Over-confident about practical application of his mathematical knowledge, he assumed that he could regulate the floods of the Nile.[8] After being ordered by Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, the sixth ruler of the Fatimid caliphate, to carry out this operation, he quickly perceived the impossibility of what he was attempting to do, and retired from engineering. Fearing for his life, he feigned madness[1][9] and was placed under house arrest, during and after which he devoted himself to his scientific work until his death.[6]
Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the "father of modern optics"[10] for his influential Book of Optics (written while he was under house arrest), which proved the intromission theory of vision and refined it into essentially its modern form. He is also recognized so for his experiments on optics, including experiments on lenses, mirrors, refraction, reflection, and the dispersion of light into its constituent colours.[11] He studied binocular vision and the Moon illusion, described the finite speed[12][13] of light, and argued that it is made of particles[14] travelling in straight lines.[13][15] Due to his formulation of a modern quantitative and empirical approach to physics and science, he is considered the pioneer of the modern scientific method[16][17] and the originator of the experimental nature of physics[18] and science.[19] Author Bradley Steffens describes him as the "first scientist".[20] He is also considered by A. I. Sabra to be the founder of experimental psychology[21] for his approach to visual perception and optical illusions,[22] and a pioneer of the philosophical field of phenomenology or the study of consciousness from a first-person perspective. His Book of Optics has been ranked with Isaac Newton's Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica as one of the most influential books in the history of physics,[23] for starting a revolution in optics[24] and visual perception.[25]
Ibn al-Haytham's achievements include many advances in physics and mathematics. He gave the first clear description[26] and correct analysis[27] of the camera obscura. He enunciated xxxxxxx's principle of least time and the concept of inertia (Newton's first law of motion),[28] and developed the concept of momentum.[29] He described the attraction between masses and was aware of the magnitude of acceleration due to gravity at-a-distance.[30] He stated that the heavenly bodies were accountable to the laws of physics and also presented a critique and reform of xxxxxxxx astronomy. He was the first to state xxxxxxxx's theorem in number theory, and he formulated the xxxxxxxxx quadrilateral[31] and a concept similar to xxxxxxxx's axiom[32] now used in non-Euclidean geometry. Moreover, he formulated and solved Alhazen's problem geometrically using early ideas related to calculus and mathematical induction.[33]
Scientific method
Neuroscientist Rosanna Gorini notes that "according to the majority of the historians al-Haytham was the pioneer of the modern scientific method."[16][71] Ibn al-Haytham developed rigorous experimental methods of controlled scientific testing to verify theoretical hypotheses and substantiate inductive conjectures.[30] Ibn al-Haytham's scientific method was very similar to the modern scientific method and consisted of the following procedures:[72]
1. Observation
2. Statement of problem
3. Formulation of hypothesis
4. Testing of hypothesis using experimentation
5. Analysis of experimental results
6. Interpretation of data and formulation of conclusion
7. Publication of findings
Other Important Discoveries/Observations:
Chapters 15–16 of the Book of Optics covered astronomy. Ibn al-Haytham was the first to discover that the celestial spheres do not consist of solid matter. He also discovered that the heavens are less dense than the air.
He built the first camera obscura and pinhole camera [27],
He maintained that a body moves perpetually unless an external force stops it or changes its direction of motion.[30] This was similar to the concept of inertia, but was largely a hypotheses that was not verified by experimentation. The key breakthrough in classical mechanics, the introduction of frictional force, was eventually made centuries later by Galileo Galilei, and then formulated as Newton's first law of motion.
His reformed empirical model was the first to reject the equant[94] and eccentrics,[95] separate natural philosophy from astronomy, free celestial kinematics from cosmology, and reduce physical entities to geometric entities. The model also propounded the Earth's rotation about its axis,[96] and the centres of motion were geometric points without any physical significance.
In geometry, Ibn al-Haytham developed analytical geometry and established a link between algebra and geometry.[106] Ibn al-Haytham also discovered a formula for adding the first 100 natural numbers (which may later have been intuited by Carl Friedrich Gauss as a youth). Ibn al-Haytham used a geometric proof to prove the formula.
His contributions to number theory includes his work on perfect numbers. In his Analysis and Synthesis, Ibn al-Haytham was the first to realize that every even perfect number is of the form 2n−1(2n − 1) where 2n − 1 is prime, but he was not able to prove this result successfully (xxxxxxx later proved it in the 18th century).
Alhazen - Scientist
Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥasan ibn al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham (Arabic: ابو علی، حسن بن حسن بن الهيثم, Persian: ابن هیثم, Latinized: Alhacen or (deprecated) Alhazen) (965 in Basra - c. 1039 in Cairo), was an Arab[2] or Persian[3] polymath.[4] He made significant contributions to the principles of optics, as well as to anatomy, astronomy, engineering, mathematics, medicine, ophthalmology, philosophy, physics, psychology, visual perception, and to science in general with his introduction of the scientific method. He is sometimes called al-Basri (Arabic: البصري), after his birthplace in the city of Basra.[5]
Born circa 965, in Basra, Iraq and part of Buyid Persia at that time,[1] he lived mainly in Cairo, Egypt, dying there at age 76.[6] Over-confident about practical application of his mathematical knowledge, he assumed that he could regulate the floods of the Nile.[8] After being ordered by Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah, the sixth ruler of the Fatimid caliphate, to carry out this operation, he quickly perceived the impossibility of what he was attempting to do, and retired from engineering. Fearing for his life, he feigned madness[1][9] and was placed under house arrest, during and after which he devoted himself to his scientific work until his death.[6]
Ibn al-Haytham is regarded as the "father of modern optics"[10] for his influential Book of Optics (written while he was under house arrest), which proved the intromission theory of vision and refined it into essentially its modern form. He is also recognized so for his experiments on optics, including experiments on lenses, mirrors, refraction, reflection, and the dispersion of light into its constituent colours.[11] He studied binocular vision and the Moon illusion, described the finite speed[12][13] of light, and argued that it is made of particles[14] travelling in straight lines.[13][15] Due to his formulation of a modern quantitative and empirical approach to physics and science, he is considered the pioneer of the modern scientific method[16][17] and the originator of the experimental nature of physics[18] and science.[19] Author Bradley Steffens describes him as the "first scientist".[20] He is also considered by A. I. Sabra to be the founder of experimental psychology[21] for his approach to visual perception and optical illusions,[22] and a pioneer of the philosophical field of phenomenology or the study of consciousness from a first-person perspective. His Book of Optics has been ranked with Isaac Newton's Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica as one of the most influential books in the history of physics,[23] for starting a revolution in optics[24] and visual perception.[25]
Ibn al-Haytham's achievements include many advances in physics and mathematics. He gave the first clear description[26] and correct analysis[27] of the camera obscura. He enunciated xxxxxxx's principle of least time and the concept of inertia (Newton's first law of motion),[28] and developed the concept of momentum.[29] He described the attraction between masses and was aware of the magnitude of acceleration due to gravity at-a-distance.[30] He stated that the heavenly bodies were accountable to the laws of physics and also presented a critique and reform of xxxxxxxx astronomy. He was the first to state xxxxxxxx's theorem in number theory, and he formulated the xxxxxxxxx quadrilateral[31] and a concept similar to xxxxxxxx's axiom[32] now used in non-Euclidean geometry. Moreover, he formulated and solved Alhazen's problem geometrically using early ideas related to calculus and mathematical induction.[33]
Scientific method
Neuroscientist Rosanna Gorini notes that "according to the majority of the historians al-Haytham was the pioneer of the modern scientific method."[16][71] Ibn al-Haytham developed rigorous experimental methods of controlled scientific testing to verify theoretical hypotheses and substantiate inductive conjectures.[30] Ibn al-Haytham's scientific method was very similar to the modern scientific method and consisted of the following procedures:[72]
1. Observation
2. Statement of problem
3. Formulation of hypothesis
4. Testing of hypothesis using experimentation
5. Analysis of experimental results
6. Interpretation of data and formulation of conclusion
7. Publication of findings
Other Important Discoveries/Observations:
Chapters 15–16 of the Book of Optics covered astronomy. Ibn al-Haytham was the first to discover that the celestial spheres do not consist of solid matter. He also discovered that the heavens are less dense than the air.
He built the first camera obscura and pinhole camera [27],
He maintained that a body moves perpetually unless an external force stops it or changes its direction of motion.[30] This was similar to the concept of inertia, but was largely a hypotheses that was not verified by experimentation. The key breakthrough in classical mechanics, the introduction of frictional force, was eventually made centuries later by Galileo Galilei, and then formulated as Newton's first law of motion.
His reformed empirical model was the first to reject the equant[94] and eccentrics,[95] separate natural philosophy from astronomy, free celestial kinematics from cosmology, and reduce physical entities to geometric entities. The model also propounded the Earth's rotation about its axis,[96] and the centres of motion were geometric points without any physical significance.
In geometry, Ibn al-Haytham developed analytical geometry and established a link between algebra and geometry.[106] Ibn al-Haytham also discovered a formula for adding the first 100 natural numbers (which may later have been intuited by Carl Friedrich Gauss as a youth). Ibn al-Haytham used a geometric proof to prove the formula.
His contributions to number theory includes his work on perfect numbers. In his Analysis and Synthesis, Ibn al-Haytham was the first to realize that every even perfect number is of the form 2n−1(2n − 1) where 2n − 1 is prime, but he was not able to prove this result successfully (xxxxxxx later proved it in the 18th century).
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
yesETA: PM sent to Larry
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Orange Crush
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
thatguy
Footballguy
Same here, I'm ashamed to say. Fantastic pick.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
Yeah, SURE that's what caused the nosebleed! Or maybe his blushing bride threw a mean right hook.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Being the brother of an advanced number theory mathematician and professor has its dividends.
thatguy
Footballguy
How does your brother regard this guy in relation to the other top guys like Newton, Galileo, Copernicus and Einstein, and the more antiquated guys like Archimedes and Euclid?It seems he pioneered many of the ideas, theories, and truths that the likes of Newton, Galileo, and Copernicus later expanded upon. Euclid and Archimedes were both brilliant in their own right and contributed an amazing amount to mathematics, and a thousand years before Alhazen lived.Being the brother of an advanced number theory mathematician and professor has its dividends.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
I had him on my list of inventors because of that, but with a different spelling and didn't realize it was the same guy.
thatguy
Footballguy
I had him on my list of inventors because of that, but with a different spelling and didn't realize it was the same guy.
The names of the dudes in the draft has been a problem for me. So many variations. so many firsts, seconds, thirds, so many Greats and I'm not sure which one is the Great one. It's hard to keep up.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I haven't talked to him about Alhazen specifically in years, we just occasionally talked physics and math and he was someone who came up. I could ask.How does your brother regard this guy in relation to the other top guys like Newton, Galileo, Copernicus and Einstein, and the more antiquated guys like Archimedes and Euclid?It seems he pioneered many of the ideas, theories, and truths that the likes of Newton, Galileo, and Copernicus later expanded upon. Euclid and Archimedes were both brilliant in their own right and contributed an amazing amount to mathematics, and a thousand years before Alhazen lived.Being the brother of an advanced number theory mathematician and professor has its dividends.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Yep. I've almost drafted Mao Tse Tung 5 times.I had him on my list of inventors because of that, but with a different spelling and didn't realize it was the same guy.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Larry times out in 7 miutes, does someone have MK's picks?Okay, nevermind, I'm way off. Larry Boy is on the clock.
thatguy
Footballguy
Okay, nevermind, I'm way off. Larry Boy is on the clock.
thatguy
Footballguy
Hey you have MK's picks right?Yep. I've almost drafted Mao Tse Tung 5 times.I had him on my list of inventors because of that, but with a different spelling and didn't realize it was the same guy.
The names of the dudes in the draft has been a problem for me. So many variations. so many firsts, seconds, thirds, so many Greats and I'm not sure which one is the Great one. It's hard to keep up.
Thorn
Footballguy
Not sure if that means too bad as in go on right away or too bad as in if he's not here for 60 minutes. Mario did say no computer access today, so waiting seems pointless, but
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Larry's timed out. Since MK sent a list I guess we can wait the hour for one of the list holders to show up.
ETA: I have my pick ready to go, but I need to write it up and have a meeting in 10 minutes. I'll post when I get back, at which point MK will have timed out anyway.
ETA: I have my pick ready to go, but I need to write it up and have a meeting in 10 minutes. I'll post when I get back, at which point MK will have timed out anyway.
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thatguy
Footballguy
Honestly I think you can post it now.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I picked.
thatguy
Footballguy
You have MK's picks right? I think you can post them.I picked.
FUBAR
Footballguy
J. R. R. Tolkien = Author - might be a little early but I have to follow Yankee's advice after losing Joan of Arc.Similar threads
