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Devil's Advocate
Between Phillips and Zorn for me. Went with Zorn. Little Danny has to have an itchy trigger finger by now.
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First Head Coach To Be Fired? (1 Viewer)
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The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Jack Del Rio has a mediocre to bad team that doesn't like him. That's pretty much a recipe for disaster.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Huh? The coach who beat the Steelers in the playoffs two years ago? The team who didn't have a healthy body at offensive line last year? They'll make a playoff push this year. I'm going Zorn, because anything less than a divisional playoff game could get the ejection seat.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
To add to this, financial considerations would dictate otherwise. The Jags aren't exactly flush with cash.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If the Vikings do indeed get Favre, would that add more heat to Brad's seat?
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
2 years ago? Wow they'll definitely keep him around now. Two years in the NFL might as well be 20. That means nothing.
They had a bad offensive line. And a bad defensive line. And a mediocre quarterback. And only one playmaker on offense. This is not a good team.
I seriously doubt that.
FUBAR
Footballguy
not to pile on, but Jacksonville is no better than the 4th best team in the division. Phillips is the easy pick here, but I wonder how long Marvin Lewis lasts if the struggles continue.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Yeah, since they're the question is first, I think you have to look at a team that doesn't mind burning money. The Jags could go 5-11 but JDR's job might still be safe depending on HOW they lose. I really think they're 7-9 or so and Jack hangs around. Weaver doesn't have the cash to get rid of the rest of JDR's contract (and pay another coach).That's also why I think Marvin Lewis is safe, at least as far as first fired.I think the three options are Zorn and Phillips because the owners have plenty of cash (I'm not believing the Jerruh rumors) and Cable because the owner is nuts.Mr. Brownstone said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I wish.Can we fire Childress in OTAs?Raider Nation said:
Sinrman
Footballguy
Phillips is definitely the easy choice here. Unless they go deep in the playoffs, I see Jerry Jones shipping him out as soon as the season is done. Part of me thinks he WANTS Phillips to fail, so he can go after Cowher, Gruden, Shanny or one of the popular choices available next season. The reason he hasn't at this point is pride. He picked one kind of out of the blue a few years back, and people and pundits have said he should never have hired him or should have fired him last year, and he doesn't like being told what to do. That, and all the drama surrounding Dallas the last year or two with TO, Pac Man, etc.
As for others. Oh, there will be a number of heads chopped after this season. I think Del Rio's job depends on this season. Another poor showing like last year and he's probably gone. He's in a tough division, so a strong showing keeps him safe.
Childress is on the hot seat, especially if they get Favre and fail to make the playoffs, or even go anywhere in the playoffs. I still don't know why he would want that kind of drama and publicity there. He has a fairly young team (on offense at least) and has made positive strides in completely rebuilding it. What bring the drama in?
I cannot believe Marvin Lewis hasn't been fired already. Seems like a perfectly nice guy, but their team is and was filled with drama. How many arrests total over the past few years? Heck, Chris Henry alone, and the fact that they brought him back should be reason enough to let Lewis go... another poor showing and he HAS to be gone... right?
As for others. Oh, there will be a number of heads chopped after this season. I think Del Rio's job depends on this season. Another poor showing like last year and he's probably gone. He's in a tough division, so a strong showing keeps him safe.
Childress is on the hot seat, especially if they get Favre and fail to make the playoffs, or even go anywhere in the playoffs. I still don't know why he would want that kind of drama and publicity there. He has a fairly young team (on offense at least) and has made positive strides in completely rebuilding it. What bring the drama in?
I cannot believe Marvin Lewis hasn't been fired already. Seems like a perfectly nice guy, but their team is and was filled with drama. How many arrests total over the past few years? Heck, Chris Henry alone, and the fact that they brought him back should be reason enough to let Lewis go... another poor showing and he HAS to be gone... right?
Voted Del Rio over Lewis. Somehow Lewis has the Cincy brass eating out of his hand, literally. Del Rio was on the hot-seat last year and is the closest to being fired mid-season if the team can't get out of the gate fast. The decision to send him packing will have little-to-nothing to do with how cash strapped the team is.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Agreed.In Minny you have arguably the best RB in the game right now, with a great offensive line. Their defense last year was tops against the run in the NFL, and they were top 6 in total yards allowed per game. With all that, they went 10-6, winning the division by only 1 game over the Bears. Then got lit up up Philly in Minnesota by a score of 26-14 in the first round. In 2007 (with the same RB, O-line and a defense that once again was #1 in terms of stopping the run) - they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs completely. If the Vikings had a good QB, you could make the argument that they should be the odds on favorite to go all the way - but with Childress at the helm...Raider Nation said:
As a Bear fan I am shocked (and pleased) with Minnesota's amazingly under-achieving teams the last 2 years. Yes, some (if not most) of it can be attributed to the poor QB play, but at some point, the head coach has to answer for alot of the ineptitude.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
That is one way to look at it. The other is in his first year, he dismantled Tice's team and started building his. They went 6-10, but the Bears had a great season (13-3) and went to the Super Bowl. The next season, they went 8-8 and the Packers had a great season (13-3) and should have gone to the Super Bowl. Last season they went 10-6 and won the division. They ran into a hot Eagles team in the playoffs. Childress has improved each of his seasons as a head coach without much from the QB position - some say his commitment to Jackson is the reason so it is his fault. Maybe true, but the team has gotten better each season and I don't really see any reason that it shouldn't get better this season.It is just like your sig says Double G...look at the stats any way you want.Agreed.In Minny you have arguably the best RB in the game right now, with a great offensive line. Their defense last year was tops against the run in the NFL, and they were top 6 in total yards allowed per game. With all that, they went 10-6, winning the division by only 1 game over the Bears. Then got lit up up Philly in Minnesota by a score of 26-14 in the first round. In 2007 (with the same RB, O-line and a defense that once again was #1 in terms of stopping the run) - they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs completely. If the Vikings had a good QB, you could make the argument that they should be the odds on favorite to go all the way - but with Childress at the helm...Raider Nation said:As a Bear fan I am shocked (and pleased) with Minnesota's amazingly under-achieving teams the last 2 years. Yes, some (if not most) of it can be attributed to the poor QB play, but at some point, the head coach has to answer for alot of the ineptitude.
puckalicious
Footballguy
I still can't believe Marvin Lewis wasn't fired last year, so he's on the top of the list for me this year. If Oakland doesn't improve this year I'd say Cable is out.
The only ones on the list I'd say are safe are Del Rio, Smith, Kubiak, Fox, and Payton. This is only because I think their teams will do well this year. The rest could all be on the hotseat IMO.
Any way to change the poll to pick more than one? Since every year at least 6 coaches get canned it would help show the top picks to be canned. All we can tell right now is that everyone thinks Phillips will get fired.
The only ones on the list I'd say are safe are Del Rio, Smith, Kubiak, Fox, and Payton. This is only because I think their teams will do well this year. The rest could all be on the hotseat IMO.
Any way to change the poll to pick more than one? Since every year at least 6 coaches get canned it would help show the top picks to be canned. All we can tell right now is that everyone thinks Phillips will get fired.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Fair enough. My points were with the assumption that the Vikings start slow (2-4 or 3-3 or even if they're only 4-4 by the bye). If that happens, I could easily see them launching Childress. Certainly, if the they start off 5-1 or 6-2 at the break, with their only losses being to Pit and maybe one of the two to GB, then sure - Childress stays on.That is one way to look at it. The other is in his first year, he dismantled Tice's team and started building his. They went 6-10, but the Bears had a great season (13-3) and went to the Super Bowl. The next season, they went 8-8 and the Packers had a great season (13-3) and should have gone to the Super Bowl. Last season they went 10-6 and won the division. They ran into a hot Eagles team in the playoffs. Childress has improved each of his seasons as a head coach without much from the QB position - some say his commitment to Jackson is the reason so it is his fault. Maybe true, but the team has gotten better each season and I don't really see any reason that it shouldn't get better this season.It is just like your sig says Double G...look at the stats any way you want.Agreed.In Minny you have arguably the best RB in the game right now, with a great offensive line. Their defense last year was tops against the run in the NFL, and they were top 6 in total yards allowed per game. With all that, they went 10-6, winning the division by only 1 game over the Bears. Then got lit up up Philly in Minnesota by a score of 26-14 in the first round. In 2007 (with the same RB, O-line and a defense that once again was #1 in terms of stopping the run) - they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs completely. If the Vikings had a good QB, you could make the argument that they should be the odds on favorite to go all the way - but with Childress at the helm...Raider Nation said:
ICON211
Footballguy
Went with Wade Phillips. He was probably alomst gone this offseason. They have a week 6 bye and open at TB, NYG, Carolina, at Den, at KC. If they were somehow 2-3, or maybe even 3-2 depending on who and how they lost heading into their bye he could be gone. If they lost their first two home games in the new building he could be fired too, which is a definite possibility.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The question was who will be fired first? I don't see the point in multiple choices.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I pick Wade. I don't see some owners making quick decisions in the middle of the season, and if Lewis hasn't been fired by now I have zero confidence it will happen anytime soon.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Forget about the fact that the Giants got lit up by an identical margin. Philly looked unstopable in the playoffs last year. Everybody wants to bury Travaris Jackson for his play in the playoffs but say nothing about Eli who played equally as bad against Philly. Philly was on a roll and I was really surprised when they got beat by Arizona. Great game plan by Hailey and awesome execution of the plan by Warner. As a Viking fan, I am shocked with the Bears's amazing under-achieving last year. All they have to do to get in the playoffs is beat Houston and they blew it. I am so glad the Bears are the favorite to win the NFC North this season.Agreed.In Minny you have arguably the best RB in the game right now, with a great offensive line. Their defense last year was tops against the run in the NFL, and they were top 6 in total yards allowed per game. With all that, they went 10-6, winning the division by only 1 game over the Bears. Then got lit up up Philly in Minnesota by a score of 26-14 in the first round. In 2007 (with the same RB, O-line and a defense that once again was #1 in terms of stopping the run) - they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs completely. If the Vikings had a good QB, you could make the argument that they should be the odds on favorite to go all the way - but with Childress at the helm...Raider Nation said:
As a Bear fan I am shocked (and pleased) with Minnesota's amazingly under-achieving teams the last 2 years. Yes, some (if not most) of it can be attributed to the poor QB play, but at some point, the head coach has to answer for alot of the ineptitude.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
According to whom?My sportsbook has the following odds to win the NFC North:
Minnesota +165
Chicago +185
Green Bay +245
Detroit +1215
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I listen to Sirius NFL radio. Many of the so-called experts have the Vikings third in the division. I personally like it if the Vikings are considered the underdog.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I hear ya, but other than Tim & Pat, most of the hosts on Sirius are boneheads.If you want a real representation of how things figure to shake out, listen to Vegas. They get paid to make tight lines.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Minny, Chicago, and GB all beat each other up all season long and Detroit slips in there and wins it! Yeahhhhh.... one can dream!
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Cable will be gone before pre-season is through. Al will see to that
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I voted Zorn, and still think that is a very likely choice, but I think Al has given Raiders fans every reason possible to roll their eyes for years. I would have to say that a mid-season firing of Cable is almost expected and would change my vote if I could.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I think these are the front-runners:
Tom Cable - Of all the owners/GMs, I think Davis is most likely to pull the trigger on anybody and would be willing to do so before the year is out.
Wade Phillips - Jerry Jones has felt like he's had the best team in the NFL for two or three years now. Anything short of a strong playoff run should be the end for Wade.
Jim Zorn - If this team only does as good as it should, it won't be enough for Snyder. Holmgren, Cowher, and Shanahan looking for jobs will be WAY too much temptation for Dannny Boy.
Norv Turner - Two slow starts followed up with playoff wins have earned Norv some credibility, but the first year he doesn't have postseason success will be his last.
Josh McDaniels - If he isn't King Midas, nothing will compensate for all the bad blood he has brought to the surface.
Tom Cable - Of all the owners/GMs, I think Davis is most likely to pull the trigger on anybody and would be willing to do so before the year is out.
Wade Phillips - Jerry Jones has felt like he's had the best team in the NFL for two or three years now. Anything short of a strong playoff run should be the end for Wade.
Jim Zorn - If this team only does as good as it should, it won't be enough for Snyder. Holmgren, Cowher, and Shanahan looking for jobs will be WAY too much temptation for Dannny Boy.
Norv Turner - Two slow starts followed up with playoff wins have earned Norv some credibility, but the first year he doesn't have postseason success will be his last.
Josh McDaniels - If he isn't King Midas, nothing will compensate for all the bad blood he has brought to the surface.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Childress would be made to be the scapegoat much like Mangini was if they fail to make the playoffs, even if the old man tries to play without a throwing arm for the last 5 weeks of the season which just happens to coincide with the team's late season collapse.Raider Nation said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
Much like Chilly + Favre, if Jauron can't win with TO he'll be the scapegoat.FTR, I am not defending either, I'm with the consensus in that they both suck as head coaches, just saying the writing's on the wall.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Not sure how safe he is.If they tank early I could see them naming Capers as interim to finish the year.Thompson may get another shot at a coach and keep McC as the fall guy.I think he should be on that list.I chose Marvin Lewis. though was torn on Phillips.I hope not. Us Packer fans love Childress.Raider Nation said:I'm surprised McCarthy isn't listed. I think he's safe, but thought he would be listed.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
This is a shrewd call.I voted Childress because I think he has the greatest expectations and is unlikely to meet them. Oh, and he's a fool.
Wade Phillips is a close second. One of the worst hires in the past 10 years, imo.
a_troll00
Footballguy
I can guarantee you that McDaniels will not be fired this season unless he goes 0-16. Bowlen has seriously been drinking the McDaniels kool-aid. I'll wager he has at least until the end of the 2010 season to prove himself.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
Those that think Marvin Lewis will be fired, I present exhibit A) 6 Dave Shula† 1992–1996 71G 19W 52L 0T .268
They stuck with THAT for over 4 years. Marvin isn't getting fired. Marvin might quit, but Marvin is definitely not getting fired. Mikey is fine with mediocrity. Until there are no fans in the stands at all, he is content.
They stuck with THAT for over 4 years. Marvin isn't getting fired. Marvin might quit, but Marvin is definitely not getting fired. Mikey is fine with mediocrity. Until there are no fans in the stands at all, he is content.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I vote McDaniels even though I agree it would take a lot for him to get fired.... but that program has taken a huge 180 this yr.
They fire the best coach the team ever had and then the new guy attempts to trade / lies to the Star QB and ends up having to trade him away.
Then they trade their future 1st away.
Denver is in trouble.
They fire the best coach the team ever had and then the new guy attempts to trade / lies to the Star QB and ends up having to trade him away.
Then they trade their future 1st away.
Denver is in trouble.
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Bankerguy
Footballguy
The Redskins start 0-6 and get Zorn fired, one of the current coordinators take over. They finish the year at 8-8 and Redskin fans everywhere start calling for Cowher and making SuperBowl predictions for 2010.
Jerry Jones won't fire Phillips mid year no matter how bad they perform imo.
Jerry Jones won't fire Phillips mid year no matter how bad they perform imo.
I voted Zorn. I think he's let go at the first sign of trouble. Even though he's in one of the toughest divisions in football, their 1-4 finish to end the year last year probably left the always demanding Daniel Snyder with a bad taste in his mouth. The addition of Albert Haynesworth and his huge contract and the expectations it brings for that defense don't make things easier.
I voted Del Rio as well. Things better improve quickly or he should be a gone. This team is being driven in reverse with Del Rio at the wheel.
Mark Wimer
Moderator
The epic collapse last season in division has him on the chopping block, IMO. And with Marshawn Lynch suspended for 3 games, they may come out of preseason 0-4 - brutal schedule (@ TEN, Chicago, @Green Bay, @ Pittsburgh). I can only see them winning vs. Chicago, maybe. Then they open season @ New England, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, @ Miami - I can see 1-3 or 0-4 at the end of September. With 7-8 losses staring ownership in the face (yeah, preseason is preseason, but in this case the string of losses will taste bitter in the mouth), I think they may pull the plug on Jauron by October.I think Cable is the obvious choice. Davis took a month before naming Cable the HC for 2009. Davis has fired a lot of coaches mid-season, usually with some drama and excuses to not pay them for the remainder of the season.
Phillips and Zorn will not be fired during the season. Snyder tried is once and it was a disaster. Jones has been patient with his hires.
Lews will not be fired during the season. Cincinnati is ok with bad teams and won't want to pay Lewis the remainder of his contract.
Phillips and Zorn will not be fired during the season. Snyder tried is once and it was a disaster. Jones has been patient with his hires.
Lews will not be fired during the season. Cincinnati is ok with bad teams and won't want to pay Lewis the remainder of his contract.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
I voted Del Rio without looking at the post. The man is just under qualified to me , and has lived on his assistants over the years IMO
T Bell
Footballguy
Agreed. Not with a new stadium. He doesn't want to project an image of turmoil this year.
JGalligan
Footballguy
I wouldn't want to follow Wade Philips across a somewhat busy intersection -- NEVERMIND on a football field! My theory as to why he's even still in Big D is that he just kisses Jerry Jones ### like no one has ever done before or ever will do in the future. Admit it, Jones comes off as a guy who LOVES to get his ### kissed -- even if it's blatantly obvious and sickening like it is below.
"Hey Mr. Jones! You're looking mighty snazzy in your cowboy hat today. You have such wonderful taste in cowboy hats Mr. Jones. Where have you been all my life!? Can you pick out what you think I should have for lunch today? Actually, no! I want to have whatever YOU'RE having for lunch Mr. Jones! Do you mind if I go wash your car? Would you care for one of these here jellybeans Mr. Jones?"
I dunno about you guys, but I can picture him saying that crystal clear in my head. After so many years dealing with Parcells and his crabbily stubborn, no-nonsense attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me Jerry Jone's cares more about having a pushover to order around all throughout the football season than winning the Big One.
"Hey Mr. Jones! You're looking mighty snazzy in your cowboy hat today. You have such wonderful taste in cowboy hats Mr. Jones. Where have you been all my life!? Can you pick out what you think I should have for lunch today? Actually, no! I want to have whatever YOU'RE having for lunch Mr. Jones! Do you mind if I go wash your car? Would you care for one of these here jellybeans Mr. Jones?"
I dunno about you guys, but I can picture him saying that crystal clear in my head. After so many years dealing with Parcells and his crabbily stubborn, no-nonsense attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me Jerry Jone's cares more about having a pushover to order around all throughout the football season than winning the Big One.
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T Bell
Footballguy
It's not about kissing ###. It's about Jerruh Jones liking to micromanage and play the role of head coach as well as owner and GM. You need someone you can walk all over to do that, and Wade is that person.
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