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SPECIAL INVESTIGATIVE REPORT - TONIGHT! (1 Viewer)

BusterTBronco said:
vikingdave said:
Team Legacy said:
TheWick said:
Team Legacy said:
Here is the draft board guys. (with color coding by position) VERY NICE!

http://www.mockdraftcentral.com/draft_grid.jsp?id=106842

Let er rip!

Here is what I found most noteworthy:

1. Recovery Boys taking Fitzgerald at 1.1 overall. Could this be a sign of the times?

2. Hawk and Roll, the #1 player in the world, didn't take a tight end until round 17, in this format that awards 1.5 ppr for TEs.

3. 99ers taking DWill 1.4 and cuffing him with Stewy in the 4th. Are both startable options this year? I think so...

4. War Kittens waiting until round 7 to take a WR and will start 4 RBs strong all year.

5. Azurri starting the draft with AJ and Moss. FILTHY! His RBs are more than servicable in Kev Smith, Moreno and Derrick Ward. You like? Will more try the WR/WR approach this year?
How is this decided? serious question not being a smarta....
Several different organizations have taken a shot at player rankings, but the most recent was posted over at WCOFF not too long ago. Hawk and Roll I believe has cashed in the Main Event 6 years in a row. That's incredible, hence the #1 ranking. Tommy Yates, won over $100 grand last year playing fantasy football, Radballs has several WCOFF league titles and Billy Waz is one of the most winningest players in NFFC history. That's just to name a few.
So because these guys have tons of money and I dont that apparently makes them better...Not saying some of these guys arent good, but I'll put my skills up against anyone anyday...

Congrats to the guys who won what they have...wish I had that kind of cash to throw into a league...
You would get worked. You don't have the skillz to hang with this crowd.
My suggestion to vikingdave or anyone who wants to draft against guys like this in a competitive format to try the anarchy leagues and find out if you really stack up or not.At least I hope Anarchy leagues will happen again this year?

 
Team Legacy said:
Rules - Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK, 1 D and 2 FLEX -- TIGHT ENDS 1.5 PPRWhich picks are standing out as bad picks? Step out and say it, don't dance around it.
Don't understand the Brett Favre pick when other starting QBs on the board. Seems like War Kittens is taking a big chance if his starting QB, Drew Brees, goes down. Can you pick up players off waivers?
You seriously don't understand an upside pick like Favre pick as a QB2 in the 13th round?Tes there are weekly waivers that is why most teams only have one DST and PK.
Obviously, I did not know there are weekly waivers. It not a risk if Favre chooses not to play this year.
 
My suggestion to vikingdave or anyone who wants to draft against guys like this in a competitive format to try the anarchy leagues and find out if you really stack up or not.
Would be a lot easier and more rewarding to just get into any of the satellites at WCOFF, FFCP, or NFFC where all these guys play.This particular double flex format with the higher PPR for TE is unique to the FFPC, but if you want to play against these players - play ehre they play - it does not have to be in the main events, there are tons of lower priced satellite leagues.
 
My suggestion to vikingdave or anyone who wants to draft against guys like this in a competitive format to try the anarchy leagues and find out if you really stack up or not.
Would be a lot easier and more rewarding to just get into any of the satellites at WCOFF, FFCP, or NFFC where all these guys play.This particular double flex format with the higher PPR for TE is unique to the FFPC, but if you want to play against these players - play ehre they play - it does not have to be in the main events, there are tons of lower priced satellite leagues.
16 teams is harder.But more fun.
 
comfortably numb said:
Recovery Boys...I understand taking the shot at Reggie Bush as your RB1 in the 3rd, but with Welker/Jennings out there to pair up with Fitz would have been nice.The part I hated was the DMAC/Vjax picks at the turn of the 4th/5th.I may have opted for going all out with the 3TE set, and taken Gonzo/Cooley, or even MLynch
You may be right,and i considered taking Jennings instead of Bush.I considered them pretty even in the format,and took the rb as i already had a top wr.We can agree to disagree on DMAC,i like him and thats part of what makes the hobby great,we take who we like.Vjax was a shot,big question mark i agree.But right now in June,and at that spot,he was my highest rated wr,and i love wrs in a ppr league.I do appreciate your and everyones input here on this board,it just shows how opinions vary,and personally,i love it that way.An example is that over here,the FBguys board,the army of darkness team is getting alot of love,and on the FFPC board i am not sure if that team got any cred,but over there the Azurri team is the one lots of folks are in love with.Its only June,and anything can happen,but its all good conversation.
 
Taking a look at my co-host's draft, he took Turner at 1.8 (no problem with that pick), 2.5 he took Jacobs... okay... Bradshaw is gone.. can he stay healthy? Regardless, I couldn't turn down Calvin there, but to each his own, Jacobs is a good RB2 and will be a TD machine this year, but I'd bet my last dollar Calvin whips him by at bare minimum 30-40 points this year.

Now, here's where his draft shoots WAY up thru 3 rounds. Dwayne Bowe. Had this been his #2 behind Calvin, I'm talking about a FILTHY start. Bowe at 3.8 is EXTREME value. I see him taking the NEXT step in FF, and I'll go on a limb to say everyone who took Jennings, Welker, Roddy, Ronnie and Reggie, missed one heck of a player in Bowe.

Okay.. now I'm not a 4th round QB type of guy, but you can't knock the Peyton pick. The 5th round is where we start with the question marks, THOMAS JONES... Does he return to last year's form? My gut says no, but to get a Top rated RB from last year in the mid 5th I can see it. I personally would have crossed my fingers that he made it back seeing that every team 9-12 had 2 already, and I would have went with Royal there.

Now the EVANS pick.. Who exactly IS Lee Evans? I think he's the hardest player to predict this year. Just what does going to the WR2 spot do to his value. Is he a servicable WR3 candidate? I think so, but what is his upside with TO on the other side of the field? Just a player I'm going to avoid I think. I would have taken a TE here. Winslow in a 1.5ppr league would suffice.

Holt and Breaston as the next 2 picks were need picks, and he didn't have much choice on the position. If Boldin goes elsewhere, we're all looking back at the Breaston picks with MAD ENVY. In the end, after going RB in the 2nd, I would have had to pass on QB in the 4th and took a Braylon/Bryant type receiver. A QB like Schaub or Rivers would have been there in the 7th. Hindsight is 20/20... Overall, I can't bash this team very much. I'm not in love with it, but I can understand the picks that he took. Good job Mike, you actually have a chance as others didn't dominate like I thought they would.

 
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comfortably numb said:
Recovery Boys...I understand taking the shot at Reggie Bush as your RB1 in the 3rd, but with Welker/Jennings out there to pair up with Fitz would have been nice.The part I hated was the DMAC/Vjax picks at the turn of the 4th/5th.I may have opted for going all out with the 3TE set, and taken Gonzo/Cooley, or even MLynch
You may be right,and i considered taking Jennings instead of Bush.I considered them pretty even in the format,and took the rb as i already had a top wr.We can agree to disagree on DMAC,i like him and thats part of what makes the hobby great,we take who we like.Vjax was a shot,big question mark i agree.But right now in June,and at that spot,he was my highest rated wr,and i love wrs in a ppr league.I do appreciate your and everyones input here on this board,it just shows how opinions vary,and personally,i love it that way.An example is that over here,the FBguys board,the army of darkness team is getting alot of love,and on the FFPC board i am not sure if that team got any cred,but over there the Azurri team is the one lots of folks are in love with.Its only June,and anything can happen,but its all good conversation.
Anyone drafting DMAC in a re-draft must like his prospects.My main concern on your team is having he and Bush, 2 players that have a similar style.If starting both on a weekly basis, I can easily see weeks were both guys get 22 rushing yards each, and obviously your banking on the REC yards.in 1.5 PPR for TE's I personally would have opted for the safer TE picks.ButIf Dmac gets close to the Bush level, and Bush stays healthy, your team can be VERY explosive with those 2.GOOD LUCK:popcorn:
 
Now the EVANS pick.. Who exactly IS Lee Evans? I think he's the hardest player to predict this year. Just what does going to the WR2 spot do to his value. Is he a servicable WR3 candidate? I think so, but what is his upside with TO on the other side of the field? Just a player I'm going to avoid I think. I would have taken a TE here. Winslow in a 1.5ppr league would suffice.
I personally think this will be the year Evans pays dividends.He will be undervalued (for once) with the signing of TO, and I think being a WR2 is where he really belongs IMO.I don't think he is a true WR1He will be looked at as the 2nd WR on the Bills by most, but I think the TO factor will open his game up which is his big play ability.But I agree 100%, Winslow would have been my pick there, and I would have been ecstatic.
 
So let's talk Larry Fitzgerald at 1.1 for a second. Dave on the show brought up the fact that Fitzgerald's scoring is heavily dependent on a healthy Kurt Warner. That's a red flag, but somebody talk me off the ledge here. What makes those stud RBs MORE VALUABLE than Larry Fitzgerald in a PPR league? If he plays like he did in the playoffs, this kid is THE most valuable player in the league period, and that makes him easily the #1 fantasy scorer in football at the RB and WR position.

Quick question - Which position, misses more games, WR1s or RB1s ? Just food for thought...

So for those of you that bashed the 1.1, let's get to a deeper understanding of why this is such a bad pick. I don't see it. I think it's VERY safe and with TONS of upside.

 
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I really like Ian Ritchie's draft (Hawk and Roll)...

Got a good #1 QB late in Roethlisberger with a good and cheap backup in Pennington. He has great depth at RB with several team starters (Marion Barber, Steve Slaton, Jamal Lewis, Julius Jones) and some depth in Fred Taylor and Rhodes. His WR IMO are gonna be his bread and butter with Terrell Owens as a major steal, Roy Williams is the Dallas #1 (though I'm not sold on him), Santonio Holmes was a good steal, and again he got depth with Branch, Engram (who I like as a backup pick), and Crayton.

San Diego's D should bounce back well this year and the TEs will either be quietly solid or can be fixed through the waiver wire (if they use one).

 
I really like Ian Ritchie's draft (Hawk and Roll)...Got a good #1 QB late in Roethlisberger with a good and cheap backup in Pennington. He has great depth at RB with several team starters (Marion Barber, Steve Slaton, Jamal Lewis, Julius Jones) and some depth in Fred Taylor and Rhodes. His WR IMO are gonna be his bread and butter with Terrell Owens as a major steal, Roy Williams is the Dallas #1 (though I'm not sold on him), Santonio Holmes was a good steal, and again he got depth with Branch, Engram (who I like as a backup pick), and Crayton.San Diego's D should bounce back well this year and the TEs will either be quietly solid or can be fixed through the waiver wire (if they use one).
I'm curious if this has been his winning strategy all along. Solid, safe depth over sexy upside.
 
Now the EVANS pick.. Who exactly IS Lee Evans? I think he's the hardest player to predict this year. Just what does going to the WR2 spot do to his value. Is he a servicable WR3 candidate? I think so, but what is his upside with TO on the other side of the field? Just a player I'm going to avoid I think. I would have taken a TE here. Winslow in a 1.5ppr league would suffice.
I personally think this will be the year Evans pays dividends.He will be undervalued (for once) with the signing of TO, and I think being a WR2 is where he really belongs IMO.I don't think he is a true WR1He will be looked at as the 2nd WR on the Bills by most, but I think the TO factor will open his game up which is his big play ability.
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So let's talk Larry Fitzgerald at 1.1 for a second. Dave on the show brought up the fact that Fitzgerald's scoring is heavily dependent on a healthy Kurt Warner. That's a red flag, but somebody talk me off the ledge here. What makes those stud RBs MORE VALUABLE than Larry Fitzgerald in a PPR league? If he plays like he did in the playoffs, this kid is THE most valuable player in the league period, and that makes him easily the #1 fantasy scorer in football at the RB and WR position. Quick question - Which position, misses more games, WR1s or RB1s ? Just food for thought...So for those of you that bashed the 1.1, let's get to a deeper understanding of why this is such a bad pick. I don't see it. I think it's VERY safe and with TONS of upside.
Fitz is a beast, no one will argue, but to pass AP IMO is not smart, his upside is so huge its rediculous...Id rather take AP and team him with a stud WR like Jennings/Colston at the turn than Fitz and Bush...JMO...
 
Much props to the Hawk and Roll guy for placing in WCOFF 6 times in a row, but for this draft, his team isn't that good, IMO. No way I'd even think about Barber at the tail end of the 1st ahead of Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, and several others for that matter. Barber always has a low ceiling in my book, capped out at about 240 pts, best case. This year is not the year to force a RB, he could've gotten very good value later with Moreno, Wells, or Grant at the 3rd/4th turn....Moss/Slaton/Chad/Moreno vs Barber/Slaton/T.O./Roy.......Moss + Chad is going to annihilate T.O. + Roy, not sold that Barber will outperform Moreno, Wells, or Grant by much.....Cotchery in the 5th/6th turn is way too high for him given the unproven QB situation and new offensive system. These are just a few missteps, I could go on but hey, we'll see how it turns out as ya never truly know.

 
Much props to the Hawk and Roll guy for placing in WCOFF 6 times in a row, but for this draft, his team isn't that good, IMO. No way I'd even think about Barber at the tail end of the 1st ahead of Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, and several others for that matter. Barber always has a low ceiling in my book, capped out at about 240 pts, best case. This year is not the year to force a RB, he could've gotten very good value later with Moreno, Wells, or Grant at the 3rd/4th turn....Moss/Slaton/Chad/Moreno vs Barber/Slaton/T.O./Roy.......Moss + Chad is going to annihilate T.O. + Roy, not sold that Barber will outperform Moreno, Wells, or Grant by much.....Cotchery in the 5th/6th turn is way too high for him given the unproven QB situation and new offensive system. These are just a few missteps, I could go on but hey, we'll see how it turns out as ya never truly know.
Very good analysis. The funny part about the high stakes leagues is there are picks I never understand, and inevitably, at times they're right. I remember Royal taken VERY high in NFFC last year, and I just couldn't see it. Boy was I wrong. He was right.
 
So let's talk Larry Fitzgerald at 1.1 for a second. Dave on the show brought up the fact that Fitzgerald's scoring is heavily dependent on a healthy Kurt Warner. That's a red flag, but somebody talk me off the ledge here. What makes those stud RBs MORE VALUABLE than Larry Fitzgerald in a PPR league? If he plays like he did in the playoffs, this kid is THE most valuable player in the league period, and that makes him easily the #1 fantasy scorer in football at the RB and WR position. Quick question - Which position, misses more games, WR1s or RB1s ? Just food for thought...So for those of you that bashed the 1.1, let's get to a deeper understanding of why this is such a bad pick. I don't see it. I think it's VERY safe and with TONS of upside.
First Scott - good job on even trying to cover a draft on the show - it certainly has generated more posts than I would have thought.....and I wonder if that was part of Tom's rationals - one would also think this was a perfect venue to "test drive" the idea.BUT you say VERY safe with TONS of upside and I disagree.Could it work out? Sure.....as most draft strategies couldDoes it rate to work out favorably? NO1) How many really think Warner will play a second full season? If/when Leinart has to go under center you can count of more Wells/Hightower carries (and that is the long term plan in Arizona)2) While Fitz may be a steady receiver - IIRC he was in double digits in PPR scoring (which this draft was for) EVERY game last year - let's not forget that not only did Warner play every game, BUT Boldin didn't which certainly helped his targets for those weeks.3) Also the Cardinals were again a very poor running team last season, so even in the red zone they were more likely to try and score via the pass than with a run - IF Beanie Wells adapts right away (or if Hightower with competition takes the challenge and steps up) they will be far more likley to try and run for some scores there4) The key to making the pick in addition to betting on Warner is being able to get a pair of RB who will far exceed their draft slots - it is more of a gamble IMO than getting a STUD RB and then grabbing several WR who may play up.Still it's probably not as bad a pick as some of the initial comments suggested - it is just a different gamble on how to get the most points from a draft - and as a guy who won $100,000 more than the rest of us last year (aplogies to Dave, Poochie, and Shane), tomdog has earned the right and respect to suggest it.
 
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Get Mike and Scott from the Fantasy Jungle on and I'd be really impressed...
Is that a challenge? :shrug: by the way, they are in no way affiliated with the Scott and Mike from Red vs Blue.. a mere coincidence...
Why yes, Scott. Yes, it is. There are a lot of us owed money and not that they've contacted anyone lately, but they still haven't explained what happened to all the money... you know, besides the obvious. They spent it.
 
Get Mike and Scott from the Fantasy Jungle on and I'd be really impressed...
Is that a challenge? :shrug: by the way, they are in no way affiliated with the Scott and Mike from Red vs Blue.. a mere coincidence...
Why yes, Scott. Yes, it is. There are a lot of us owed money and not that they've contacted anyone lately, but they still haven't explained what happened to all the money... you know, besides the obvious. They spent it.
Sorry man, that sucks. I can relate. I am owed $3,300 by Neil Wickham and so I guess you can say i have motivation to get them on the air too. I'll do my best.
 
I, for one, am staying up for this.

How long is your show? Are you taking callers? Need a guest?

 
I, for one, am staying up for this.How long is your show? Are you taking callers? Need a guest?
Hey bri, it's a 1 hour show tonight, but we usually run over a bit. Yes we're taking callers. You need to be heard. I'm sure we'll have time for feedback during and afterwards. Ideally, I'd like to take a few calls during and a few after.
 
What did you guys think? How did they do? I'm still a little un-satisfied, there's still some loose ends, and I'm not sure why there seemed to be so much evasion. They did face the questions, they didn't hang up. I don't know. I appreciate them coming on and doing the interview.

 
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What did you guys think? How did they do? I'm still a little un-satisfied, there's still some loose ends, and I'm not sure why there seemed to be so much evasion. They did face the questions, they didn't hang up. I don't know. I appreciate them coming on and doing the interview.
Good interview guys.And I guess I hope the AFFL guys turn the thing around. But..The whole 'the money went to the software' thing still smells fishy, sounds like a bunch of BS.If they truly had one guy doing the work (Matt), then I can't see how the spending got out of control. Why is it that the developer had to be paid immediately, but the customers had to be the ones that were out of luck on payment? They obviously had a functioning system. There weren't any mandates that the new commissioner product or enhancements to existing functionality HAD to be rolled out by a certain time. You can build out new features on a different line of code and integrate them at any point in the future. (And what business sense does it make to build a commissioner product when the barrier to entry on that is high with so many proven products out there already?) They came out and said that the didn't have any programming background and didn't understand half of what Neil was telling them. If the software was such a valuable asset, then you would logically expect that they would have brought a developer versed in the technology used to help them understand the architecture, how extensible it was, and how much it might cost them to support it in the future, and that's just existing functionality. If you want to make enhancements to support new features, OF COURSE it's going to cost them more money. The question is how much will those enhancements cost you to build out. To be amazed at how fast it imports from MockDraftCentral, or how fast it processes waivers is a pretty shallow gauge of the software's quality. What kind of benchmarks are those to get a sense of comfort from?There are other high stakes startups that have entered the arena, with sucess, by leveraging existing software elsewhere and focusing on customer service and innovative product offerings. Let someone else incur the cost of the software development, especially when you don't have that expertise.
 
Back to the draft portion of this thread. I wanted to first thank Scott Atkins aka Team Legacy for not only having the courage to start his own radio show (Red vs. Blue) about something he's passionate about, but also for coordinating this kind of draft with the FFPC. It was really cool having live radio/internet coverage of the draft as the picks rolled off the board. Keep up the great work Scott and Mike.

And thanks for all the kudos I got from the guys who took some time to analyze the teams (Bia, comfortably, and the Reunion crew). I like my team quite a bit but it's early and anything can happen. There's a lot of terrific teams in that league so we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out. I look forward to the opportunity to compete in leagues like this again with live draft analysis because it was a ton of fun.

 
This one can stay as it's AFFL and people want to hear I'm sure. As a rule though, please don't use the forums for advertising / promotion of a podcast. Thanks.

J

 
This one can stay as it's AFFL and people want to hear I'm sure. As a rule though, please don't use the forums for advertising / promotion of a podcast. Thanks.J
Thanks Joe. I'll remember that. This interview is getting mixed reviews thru email and text. Did they do a good job as new owners? Do you as a past AFFL subscriber feel like they HELPED a BAD situation?
 
I'm looking forward to Part 2 of the Report.

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Listening to part 1 above for the first time. Some very interesting things stated by Bob/Wade.

 
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Jeebus.

This kind of thing makes you gun shy about having ANY 3rd party hold league funds.

Is nobody legit and how do you really know?

I set up a dynasty league w/ LeagueSafe this yr.

I hope I dont hear this kind of horror story a couple yrs down the road.

My cynical ways have paid off before, but this time, in the name of my new league's integrity, I used LeagueSafe.

Is our LeagueSafe money really going into an account?

Maybe I just know enough about the whole situation to discern and noticable differences that would shed some light on the security I currenly perceive w/ LeagueSafe.

 

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