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Housing While Black (2 Viewers)

Jefferson the Caregiver said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, Jefferson just can't give up his PC defense of a black man, regardless whether it is right or wrong.
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I have not once injected race into this so I have no idea why you are going there. I don't think I am wrong. I want cooler heads on the police force that can access how critical a situation is and not flex their muscle if they don't have to. It's just as important to me as some black guy not playing the race card when he doesn't have to.
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Just because a Vegas cop gave you a hard time for snapping pictures on the strip doesn't mean the Crowley did anything wrong. I honestly don't see how when can determine Crowley was flexing his muscle when he was trying to leave the scene (after Gates had acted like an ###) but Gates kept on baiting him. Do you feel Crowley was wrong to tell Gates he needed to calm down? Was he wrong to tell him if he didn't calm down he could be arrested for disorderly conduct? Unless you feel Crowley acted inappropriately with telling those two statements to Skippy then I don't see how you can have issue that he ultimately cuffed him up when he wouldn't stop.
 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, Jefferson just can't give up his PC defense of a black man, regardless whether it is right or wrong.
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I have not once injected race into this so I have no idea why you are going there. I don't think I am wrong. I want cooler heads on the police force that can access how critical a situation is and not flex their muscle if they don't have to. It's just as important to me as some black guy not playing the race card when he doesn't have to.
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How much cooler of a head could this cop have had?This professor is berating him mercilessly inside, the officer calmly walks away. The professor then follows the officer outside, continues yelling at him, calling him names, talking about his momma... The professor is asked to calm down, then warned to calm down, then warned to calm down along with being shown handcuffs because at that point there is a crowd and the professor is doing his best to control the whole situation by yelling at and insulting the cop.... how much more cooler could he have been?

Jesus, I know I would have been gone way before that. I told/slightly yelled at an Arkansas cop one time that was taking my 3 cases of beer from my trunk while writing me a speeding ticket for 7 mph over, on my way to a canoe trip, that "I am a tourist in your stupid state and this is how you treat me" and he put me in his back seat with the following warning "One more word and you're gone"... I shut up, and didn't get arrested. This professor didn't shut up, and did get arrested.

I think the cop was plenty cool headed.

 
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Emerson Biggens said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
ConstruxBoy said:
LOL, Jefferson just can't give up his PC defense of a black man, regardless whether it is right or wrong.
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I have not once injected race into this so I have no idea why you are going there. I don't think I am wrong. I want cooler heads on the police force that can access how critical a situation is and not flex their muscle if they don't have to. It's just as important to me as some black guy not playing the race card when he doesn't have to.
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How much cooler of a head could this cop have had?This professor is berating him mercilessly inside, the officer calmly walks away. The professor then follows the officer outside, continues yelling at him, calling him names, talking about his momma... The professor is asked to calm down, then warned to calm down, then warned to calm down along with being shown handcuffs because at that point there is a crowd and the professor is doing his best to control the whole situation by yelling at and insulting the cop.... how much more cooler could he have been?

Jesus, I know I would have been gone way before that. I told/slightly yelled at an Arkansas cop one time that was taking my 3 cases of beer from my trunk while writing me a speeding ticket for 7 mph over, on my way to a canoe trip, that "I am a tourist in your stupid state and this is how you treat me" and he put me in his back seat with the following warning "One more word and you're gone"... I ####, and didn't get arrested. This professor didn't ####, and did get arrested.

I think the cop was plenty cool headed.
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Please don't interject facts.
 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Bogeys said:
I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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Another example of coming in and blowing something out of proportion before you get the facts.Pretty certain that nobody in this thread has ever stated that. Thanks for dumbing it down some more though.
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If you hadn't edited out the post by Steve Tasker that I was responding to and the part I bolded:I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated

I was asking does he really think that Gates was legitimately pissed that an officer was responding to a B&E report and that Gates legitimately believed that responding to a B&E was racially motivated. Legitimately seeming to mean in that context that Gates was in the right about these things.

 
Bogeys said:
Steve Tasker said:
I don't think Gates WANTED to get arrested.

I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated. I think in the back of his head he knew getting arrested was a possibility, but what's the worst that could happen to him? He gets taken down to the station, mugshots, etc, and then he's released - exactly what happened (and he maybe gets to write/speak/produce a documentary about it). What's the best that can happen? He shows up a police officer and makes the guy look like a fool on his doorstep for being a racist white guy. To be honest, it's kinda a win-win for him, in my warped mind at least.

I tend to think Gates just overreacted and lost his composure, which caused the cop to arrest him. I don't think the cop rang the doorbell and Gates thought "oh gee, I should get arrested"...
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:kicksrock: I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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I hate to sound like Christo, but please link to ANYWHERE in this thread that I've said this is the cop's fault...
 
Bogeys said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Bogeys said:
I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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Another example of coming in and blowing something out of proportion before you get the facts.Pretty certain that nobody in this thread has ever stated that. Thanks for dumbing it down some more though.
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If you hadn't edited out the post by Steve Tasker that I was responding to and the part I bolded:I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated

I was asking does he really think that Gates was legitimately pissed that an officer was responding to a B&E report and that Gates legitimately believed that responding to a B&E was racially motivated. Legitimately seeming to mean in that context that Gates was in the right about these things.
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If you read the post a little closer, you'll see that I never said this was a racist act and it was the cop's fault.I said that Gates probably actually believed that it was a racist cop, and was pissed off because he was being bothered.

I didn't state any feelings one way or another on the act.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Bogeys said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Bogeys said:
I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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Another example of coming in and blowing something out of proportion before you get the facts.Pretty certain that nobody in this thread has ever stated that. Thanks for dumbing it down some more though.
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If you hadn't edited out the post by Steve Tasker that I was responding to and the part I bolded:I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated

I was asking does he really think that Gates was legitimately pissed that an officer was responding to a B&E report and that Gates legitimately believed that responding to a B&E was racially motivated. Legitimately seeming to mean in that context that Gates was in the right about these things.
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If you read the post a little closer, you'll see that I never said this was a racist act and it was the cop's fault.I said that Gates probably actually believed that it was a racist cop, and was pissed off because he was being bothered.

I didn't state any feelings one way or another on the act.
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Thank you. The way I read it was that you were saying Gates was correct and that is why I asked for clarification because it didn't seem to go with the rest of your posts.Not sure why Jefferson jumped in and was a tool about it.

 
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Nigel said:
What do you mean "either"? I agree that Crowley didn't want the attention, but obviously Gates did want this to become a national story - he made it one, and has plans for a freaking documentary. Unfortunately it hasn't played out quite the way he had hoped though.
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Looks like Gates is digging his own grave even further. He's already lost this one. The documentary idea is comical, not going too happen. This guy is just trying to save face now. You are right, it backfired, everyone in this thread should be happy about that.I'm still not going to give the officer a free pass though. Too many cops without brains on the streets, I just don't like that either.
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If you've read about this guy's background or listened to/watched any of his interviews it would be clear to you he isn't among the brainless.
 
wdcrob said:
[Conservative]A man's home is his castle and we must Fight the Power to keep the jackbooted authorities from invading our lives! (with an exception for uppity black Harvard professors that get angry when a cop won't given him his name and badge number)[/Conservative]
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Just how did this authority invade a man's castle? He wouldn't even step foot in it.This post is a symptom of the problem with this issue. You've been listening to people with a political axe to grind turning a simple disorderly conduct arrest into something far more than what it is.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
I don't think Gates WANTED to get arrested.

I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated. I think in the back of his head he knew getting arrested was a possibility, but what's the worst that could happen to him? He gets taken down to the station, mugshots, etc, and then he's released - exactly what happened (and he maybe gets to write/speak/produce a documentary about it). What's the best that can happen? He shows up a police officer and makes the guy look like a fool on his doorstep for being a racist white guy. To be honest, it's kinda a win-win for him, in my warped mind at least.

I tend to think Gates just overreacted and lost his composure, which caused the cop to arrest him. I don't think the cop rang the doorbell and Gates thought "oh gee, I should get arrested"...
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This is actually a better statement of what I was getting at. I don't think Gates came home from a long trip and thought to himself "Gee, today would be a great day to be arrested -- How can I make that happen?" I just think that the opportunity to blow what would ordinarily be a humorous situation way out of proportion presented itself, Gates probably figured that he'd get some sort of weird "cred" by escalating things, and he just ran with it. Saying that he "wanted" to be arrested isn't really accurate, but I doubt he felt too bad about it, and if that's what it took for him to play the martyr, it sounds like that was fine with him. From reading his stuff, I think as soon as the cop showed up, he immediately placed himself in the victim role in his little narrative, and he was going to play that role no matter what.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Bogeys said:
Steve Tasker said:
I don't think Gates WANTED to get arrested.

I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated. I think in the back of his head he knew getting arrested was a possibility, but what's the worst that could happen to him? He gets taken down to the station, mugshots, etc, and then he's released - exactly what happened (and he maybe gets to write/speak/produce a documentary about it). What's the best that can happen? He shows up a police officer and makes the guy look like a fool on his doorstep for being a racist white guy. To be honest, it's kinda a win-win for him, in my warped mind at least.

I tend to think Gates just overreacted and lost his composure, which caused the cop to arrest him. I don't think the cop rang the doorbell and Gates thought "oh gee, I should get arrested"...
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:cool: I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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I hate to sound like Christo, but please link to ANYWHERE in this thread that I've said this is the cop's fault...
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You like it and you know it. It's fun calling people on their :lmao:
 
Sshh. Do you hear that? It's Peens laughing.

Peens laughing spreads his wings...OH LORD YEAH!!

 
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I wonder if Harvard will require Gates to submit to sensitivity training over this. After all, his job as a faculty member requires that he be able to interact with a diverse student body without injecting his own prejudices into those interactions. It would be a real shame if the university didn't nip this potential problem in the bud.

 
Da Guru said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
ConstruxBoy said:
I think Gates had an agenda to get arrested and try to play the race card.
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you really think he wanted to be arrested? wtf?much more plausible that he was tired, stressed, annoyed, etc. and temporarily lost his mind after a long return trip from China only to find his door wouldn't open and then have the cops show up to question him. I don't see how people can believe this was some calculated attempt on his part to get arrested and create a huge national story about it.
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I thought the same thing right away. You get home from a trip exhausted and your friggen door won`t open..while trying to get in the cops get called for a BE in progress. Gates probably just lost it.

But if that was the case Gates should come clean and say just that. Then we can move on.
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Professors, like politicians, rarely say they are sorry. Only after the writing is on the wall and they are forced to apologize will it come out.
 
Christo said:
Steve Tasker said:
Bogeys said:
Steve Tasker said:
I don't think Gates WANTED to get arrested.

I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated. I think in the back of his head he knew getting arrested was a possibility, but what's the worst that could happen to him? He gets taken down to the station, mugshots, etc, and then he's released - exactly what happened (and he maybe gets to write/speak/produce a documentary about it). What's the best that can happen? He shows up a police officer and makes the guy look like a fool on his doorstep for being a racist white guy. To be honest, it's kinda a win-win for him, in my warped mind at least.

I tend to think Gates just overreacted and lost his composure, which caused the cop to arrest him. I don't think the cop rang the doorbell and Gates thought "oh gee, I should get arrested"...
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:goodposting: I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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I hate to sound like Christo, but please link to ANYWHERE in this thread that I've said this is the cop's fault...
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You like it and you know it. It's fun calling people on their :goodposting:
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What :bs: ? I asked him to clarify a statement that seemed to say that Gates was justified in his reponse, isn't that what saying something is legitimate means?
 
timschochet said:
I just had a conversation with a Black acquaintance of mine. He works as a barber for a hair salon in a shopping center I manage. I wouldn't exactly call him a friend, but we banter often about sports, and sometimes politics.He asked me what I thought about this story, and I told him the honest truth: that I had begun believing it was a clear case of racism, partly based on my personal experiences and prejudices. But now, I was not so sure. The more I listened to Crowley, the more his story sounded credible to me. I told him that I was in a discussion board, and that I had been forced to backtrack on some things I had previously written.Lance got angry with me. For a minute, I thought he was going to swing a punch. He implied that I was a racist, and that white people could never understand what is was like to be an African-American, and that this was yet another case of Blacks being railroaded, etc. I mean this guy was really pissed. I don't think we'll be bantering any more.I hope this thing isn't spiralling out of control...
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Way to go, Costanza.
 
Christo said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Christo said:
Jefferson the Caregiver said:
Christo said:
My opinion based upon the law.
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Of course. You are predictable.
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What's the basis of your opinion?
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The situation at hand, that's where the grey area is.
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The law is quite clear. I don't know what you think is gray about the situation.
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Watching you two argue is like watching turtles ####.
 
timschochet said:
I just had a conversation with a Black acquaintance of mine. He works as a barber for a hair salon in a shopping center I manage. I wouldn't exactly call him a friend, but we banter often about sports, and sometimes politics.

He asked me what I thought about this story, and I told him the honest truth: that I had begun believing it was a clear case of racism, partly based on my personal experiences and prejudices. But now, I was not so sure. The more I listened to Crowley, the more his story sounded credible to me. I told him that I was in a discussion board, and that I had been forced to backtrack on some things I had previously written.

Lance got angry with me. For a minute, I thought he was going to swing a punch. He implied that I was a racist, and that white people could never understand what is was like to be an African-American, and that this was yet another case of Blacks being railroaded, etc. I mean this guy was really pissed. I don't think we'll be bantering any more.

I hope this thing isn't spiralling out of control...
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CYTOKINE HAIRDRESSER!!
 
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).

Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no?

P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.

 
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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charges are dropped all of the time for a variety of reasons - doesn't mean this guy didn't follow protocol.
 
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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You're right... that's quite unusual to have such charges dropped so quickly after the arrest, right? Hmmmm... I wonder if the DA even got a chance to evaluate the case before he got the phone call from Deval Patrick's office to drop it.
 
Nigel said:
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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charges are dropped all of the time for a variety of reasons - doesn't mean this guy didn't follow protocol.
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I fully understand this. When charges are dropped this quickly, however, that's a pretty big red flag that the officer "acted stupidly," even if he was technically following protocol. So again, what am I missing here? If this was a legitimate arrest, then the charges wouldn't have been dropped, no?
 
Dexter Manley said:
Nigel said:
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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charges are dropped all of the time for a variety of reasons - doesn't mean this guy didn't follow protocol.
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I fully understand this. When charges are dropped this quickly, however, that's a pretty big red flag that the officer "acted stupidly," even if he was technically following protocol. So again, what am I missing here? If this was a legitimate arrest, then the charges wouldn't have been dropped, no?
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Or it's a red flag that the person arrested was a prominent member of the community with a lot of ties. He was one of the biggest professors at Harvard and he was arrested by the Cambridge police for a small misdemeanor.
 
Bogeys said:
Christo said:
Steve Tasker said:
Bogeys said:
Steve Tasker said:
I don't think Gates WANTED to get arrested.

I think he was legitimately pissed that he was being bothered, and probably legitimately believed that the cop's actions were racially motivated. I think in the back of his head he knew getting arrested was a possibility, but what's the worst that could happen to him? He gets taken down to the station, mugshots, etc, and then he's released - exactly what happened (and he maybe gets to write/speak/produce a documentary about it). What's the best that can happen? He shows up a police officer and makes the guy look like a fool on his doorstep for being a racist white guy. To be honest, it's kinda a win-win for him, in my warped mind at least.

I tend to think Gates just overreacted and lost his composure, which caused the cop to arrest him. I don't think the cop rang the doorbell and Gates thought "oh gee, I should get arrested"...
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:popcorn: I don't understand, are you saying the cop shouldn't have responded to the B&E and that the cop was racially motivated in his actions by responding?
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I hate to sound like Christo, but please link to ANYWHERE in this thread that I've said this is the cop's fault...
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You like it and you know it. It's fun calling people on their :rolleyes:
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What :bs: ? I asked him to clarify a statement that seemed to say that Gates was justified in his reponse, isn't that what saying something is legitimate means?
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Your guestimation at what he meant by the bolded statement was so far off it really didn't even deserve a response.
 
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Your guestimation at what he meant by the bolded statement was so far off it really didn't even deserve a response.
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So what did the word legitimate mean in the bolded statement? Never mind, I know you will play word games and I can't win that game against a lawyer.
 
Statler & Waldorf said:
Dexter Manley said:
Nigel said:
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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charges are dropped all of the time for a variety of reasons - doesn't mean this guy didn't follow protocol.
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I fully understand this. When charges are dropped this quickly, however, that's a pretty big red flag that the officer "acted stupidly," even if he was technically following protocol. So again, what am I missing here? If this was a legitimate arrest, then the charges wouldn't have been dropped, no?
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Or it's a red flag that the person arrested was a prominent member of the community with a lot of ties. He was one of the biggest professors at Harvard and he was arrested by the Cambridge police for a small misdemeanor.
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So the police knew they couldn't get away with a bogus arrest that should of never happened, since this Gates guy is a such a high profile person? Had this been some joe schmo in the projects or the trailer park, the charges almost surely don't get dropped, since the police would know he likely would not be able to afford an attorney to fight the charges, right?
 
Dexter Manley said:
Statler & Waldorf said:
Dexter Manley said:
Nigel said:
Dexter Manley said:
What am I missing here? How didn't this officer act "stupidly?" The guy arrested the Harvard professor, and then the charges were dropped 24 - 48 hours later (not sure of the exact timeframe).Common sense should dictate that the homeowner should never have been arrested in the first place if the charges were going to be quickly dropped/dismissed, no? P.S. For the record, I think Obama acted stupidly as well by commenting on this case at all, particularly when he didn't have all the facts.
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charges are dropped all of the time for a variety of reasons - doesn't mean this guy didn't follow protocol.
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I fully understand this. When charges are dropped this quickly, however, that's a pretty big red flag that the officer "acted stupidly," even if he was technically following protocol. So again, what am I missing here? If this was a legitimate arrest, then the charges wouldn't have been dropped, no?
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Or it's a red flag that the person arrested was a prominent member of the community with a lot of ties. He was one of the biggest professors at Harvard and he was arrested by the Cambridge police for a small misdemeanor.
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So the police knew they couldn't get away with a bogus arrest that should of never happened, since this Gates guy is a such a high profile person? Had this been some joe schmo in the projects or the trailer park, the charges almost surely don't get dropped, since the police would know he likely would not be able to afford an attorney to fight the charges, right?
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Why are you coming into an 18 page thread and asking questions that have been discussed ad nauseum previously?Gates was belligerent since the moment the police arrived to his house and despite numerous warnings to tone it down, he continued and was arrested. What is so difficult to understand? Who Gates was had no bearing on the arrest itself but the dropping of the charges had everything to do with who he was.
 
Hey, Gates was obviouly acting dooshy. I'm not arguing that. I have yet to see how any valid argument, however, that the cop's decision to place him under arrest wasn't stupid, even if he was following protocol.

Once he verfified that Gates lived at the residence, the smart thing for him to do would of been to be the bigger man and just walk away. Who cares if Gates was yelling at him? It's not like he was threatening him.

 
The only possible mistake Crowley made was this:

That he should've been able to ignore/defuse the situation when another man was being personally abusive, making unfounded personal insults, and was unable to control himself.

The good Dr. obviously isn't in a hurry to get Crowley to apologize for that because in doing so, he'd have to admit that he acted like a complete idiot and the officer should be expected to behave better than he (Gates) did. Calling Gates a racist is much simpler and a good career move.

 
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My gut feeling, from what I've seen and heard: if I acted like Gates was reported to have acted, I would expect to get arrested. If you are mouthy to a cop, you run the risk of getting arrested. The fact that Gates refuses to acknowledge this very simple principle makes me a little distrustful of the rest of his take on the situation.
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Sweet J droppin' scientists.
 
Dexter Manley said:
Hey, Gates was obviouly acting dooshy. I'm not arguing that. I have yet to see how any valid argument, however, that the cop's decision to place him under arrest wasn't stupid, even if he was following protocol. Once he verfified that Gates lived at the residence, the smart thing for him to do would of been to be the bigger man and just walk away. Who cares if Gates was yelling at him? It's not like he was threatening him.
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It feels like we are in a vicious circle here. Gates was belligerent before his information was verified and after it was verified. The police gave Gates several (note key word - SEVERAL) warnings to calm down and he continued to act the way he did. Even after he was handcuffed he was still being belligerent and even threatened the officer that 'he was going to make him pay'. No matter how many times you try to spin it, the police were not wrong with their arrest at that time as Gates did not follow several instructions to calm down. Why do both sides have to be at fault here? Why can't you just say that the actions of Gates were incorrect and that the police reacted accordingly (after showing much patience and restraint).
 
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
StrikeS2k said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Kudos to Obama for apologizing for his earlier remarks.
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Obama didn't apologize, unless he's held yet another news conference today.
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He called the guy on the phone and apologized for commenting without knowing all the facts.
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1) All I've read is they talked and a few things they talked about, none of which was an apology of any kind. Link please.2) You said he apologized for his earlier remarks. Even if he apologized for commenting without knowing all the facts, that is significantly different than saying he apologized for the remarks themselves.
 
StrikeS2k said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
StrikeS2k said:
KnowledgeReignsSupreme said:
Kudos to Obama for apologizing for his earlier remarks.
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Obama didn't apologize, unless he's held yet another news conference today.
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He called the guy on the phone and apologized for commenting without knowing all the facts.
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1) All I've read is they talked and a few things they talked about, none of which was an apology of any kind. Link please.2) You said he apologized for his earlier remarks. Even if he apologized for commenting without knowing all the facts, that is significantly different than saying he apologized for the remarks themselves.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_...ey_pleaded.html
Killion said the president has admitted he erred by discussing a case without knowing the details.

"He acknowledges he made a mistake,'' Killion said. "He wasn't there. None of us have the facts. He didn't have the facts. We don't have the facts. We don't know what professor Gates said, what Sergeant Crowley said. I'm absolutely pleased with [Obama's call]. I think it was a good thing for the president to do. He's the commander in chief, he's in charge. Whether or not he should be involved in local politics, he runs the country. We all want to see this behind us.''
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This is the President of the Cambridge Patrol Officer's Association being quoted. Is he incorrect?
 
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