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Jene Bramel

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* ARI: Will Davis from DE to LB

* ARI: Cody Brown from DE to LB

* BAL: Derrick Martin from CB to S

* BUF: Jairus Byrd from CB to S

* BUF: Nic Harris from S to LB

* CAR: Sherrod Martin from S to CB

* CHI: Jarron Gilbert from DE to DT

* CHI: Danieal Manning from CB to S

* CHI: Israel Idonije from DT to DE

* CIN: Daniel Coats from RB to TE

* CIN: Jonathan Fanene from DE to DT

* CIN: Clinton McDonald from DE to DT

* CLE: David Veikune from DE to LB

* CLE: C.J. Mosley from DT to DE

* CLE: Louis Leonard from DE to DT

* DAL: Stephen Hodge from S to LB

* DAL: Victor Butler from DE to LB

* DAL: DeAngelo Smith from CB to S

* DEN: Kenny Peterson from DT to DE

* DEN: Jarvis Moss from DE to LB

* DEN: Tim Crowder from DE to LB

* DEN: Darrell Reid from DT to LB

* DEN: Elvis Dumervil from DE to LB

* DEN: Marcus Thomas from DT to DE

* DET: Louis Delmas from CB to S

* DET: Jason Hunter from LB to DE

* GB : Brandon Underwood from CB to S

* GB : Stryker Sulak from DE to LB

* GB : Aaron Kampman from DE to LB

* GB : Jeremy Thompson from DE to LB

* GB : Justin Harrell from DT to DE

* GB : Johnny Jolly from DT to DE

* HOU: Eugene Wilson from CB to S

* IND: Keyunta Dawson from DT to DE

* IND: Raheem Brock from DT to DE

* JAX: Brian Williams from S to CB

* KC : Glenn Dorsey from DT to DE

* KC : Tamba Hali from DE to LB

* KC : Turk McBride from DE to LB

* MIA: Jason Allen from S to CB

* MIA: Jason Taylor from DE to LB

* MIA: Ernest Wilford from WR to TE

* NE : Derrick Burgess from DE to LB

* NE : Mike Wright from DT to DE

* NE : Julian Edelman from QB to WR

* NO : Usama Young from CB to S

* NYG: Chris Canty from DE to DT

* NYJ: Kareem Brown from DE to TE

* OAK: Greg Ellis from LB to DE

* PIT: Keiwan Ratliff from CB to S

* SD : Larry English from DE to LB

* SD : Vaughn Martin from DT to DE

* SD : Ryon Bingham from DT to DE

* SEA: Jordan Babineaux from CB to S

* SEA: Cory Redding from DT to DE

* SF : Ricky Jean-Francois from DT to DE

* SF : Isaac Sopoaga from DE to DT

* SF : Reggie Smith from CB to S

* STL: James Hall from DT to DE

* TB : Jermaine Phillips from S to LB

* WAS: Brian Orakpo from DE to LB

* WAS: Chris Wilson from DE to LB

 
morris buttermaker said:
were we expecting the burgess move?
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It was reasonably likely.Pats didn't use nearly as many 4-3 fronts against the Bengals and are still considered by most to be a base 3-4. Burgess will be a LB in the 3-4. He hasn't stood out yet in practice apparently, and I barely noticed him with the second teamers against Cincinnati.
 
Kampmann headed to LB, Suggs still listed at DE at MFL and Suggs still listed at LB on the Ravens official depth chart.

Countdown to making a huge stink with this and hopefully if enough people complain we can get Kampmann pushed back to DE.

 
Multiple Scores said:
Kampmann headed to LB, Suggs still listed at DE at MFL and Suggs still listed at LB on the Ravens official depth chart. Countdown to making a huge stink with this and hopefully if enough people complain we can get Kampmann pushed back to DE.
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Packers seem to be going to a full-time 3-4 while teams like the Ravens (Suggs) and 49ers (J.Smith) have freely switched back and forth between a 3-4 and 4-3. FBG switched Kampman to LB very early this offseason and almost every report coming out of Green Bay has talked about his transition to playing LB.I led the charge on keeping Justin Smith a DL last year, but Kampman doesn't seem as winnable.
 
Multiple Scores said:
Kampmann headed to LB, Suggs still listed at DE at MFL and Suggs still listed at LB on the Ravens official depth chart. Countdown to making a huge stink with this and hopefully if enough people complain we can get Kampmann pushed back to DE.
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I don't see the argument here.We've shown with play-by-play data that a majority of Suggs' base defensive snaps were in a 4-3 and the larger majority of the nickel snaps were as well. In one four game sample from 2008, Suggs lined up as a DE 64% of the time and 54% of the time in the base defense versus 41% as a LB (see below posts from early July for details).The Packer base defense is clearly a 3-4 (though there will be some four man nickel fronts) and Kampman's move to LB has been known since Dom Capers was hired.

Jene Bramel said:
I went through the participation logs at profootballfocus last month (can't remember if I posted this here or not). Over a four game sample (games 1, 3, 4 and 5), Suggs was recorded as playing DE 151 times, LB 79 times and other (he'll actually line up at corner or near the slot in the nickel) 5 times. That's 64% of his snaps at DE. The rub with these tweeners is that they may get 50+% of their base defense snaps as a standup linebacker, but the percentage of DE (or DT) snaps in the nickel skews their percentages one way or another.I haven't run samples on guys like Calvin Pace or Demarcus Ware, and I have yet to run numbers on Suggs when the Ravens base personnel is on the field. Maybe I'll try to work on that this week.For now, the numbers above, the Rotoworld depth chart and past history strongly suggests that Suggs will remain designated at DE.
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Jene Bramel said:
This isn't a very scientific study, but here's a look at where profootballfocus has Suggs aligned in the four games I looked at above (W1, 3, 4, and 5). For the simple purposes of this discussion, I ignored all plays where the Ravens brought in an extra secondary player as subpackage snaps and considered the rest a part of the base defensive package. Baltimore may well disagree that the snaps left over are all base defensive snaps.Over the full four game period, the Ravens played 122 of their 235 defensive snaps (52%) with their "base defensive" personnel. Suggs aligned at a defensive end position 54% of those snaps, outside linebacker 41% of those snaps and somewhere else on 5%. As expected, his "base defensive" DE snap percentage was lower than his total DE snap percentage (54% to 64%).
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This isn't necessarily to discourage you from making an argument with MFL (and Rotoworld), but I think it's going to be a tough argument to win.
 
SugarNuts said:
Ayers to stay as DE? What does that do to his value, if anything?
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This could be a omission with some impact.Ayers has yet to take any meaningful snaps as DE in camp. Unfortunately, he's also still behind in the competition to start at OLB. If he plays well when he eventually earns the job, there's potential for DL2+ value.
 
Been waiting for this- is Kampman even worth a roster spot in Dynasty Leagues hoping he returns to a DE in the next year or so?

 
Casper05 said:
Been waiting for this- is Kampman even worth a roster spot in Dynasty Leagues hoping he returns to a DE in the next year or so?
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Kamp will be an FA after this season and Hopefully him and pack move on. I would try to hold him / buy super low in hopes he lands on a 4 - 3 team.
 
Choke said:
Multiple Scores said:
Kampmann headed to LB, Suggs still listed at DE at MFL and Suggs still listed at LB on the Ravens official depth chart.

Countdown to making a huge stink with this and hopefully if enough people complain we can get Kampmann pushed back to DE.
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Suggs is a LB now at RTS.
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Not sure why. Seems he could play even more DE this year if this turns out to be true.http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/...,0,671721.story

The Ravens played strictly a 4-3 defense (four down linemen and three linebackers) in the preseason opener, and linebacker Ray Lewis suggested this could be the base defensive alignment this season.

This would be a surprising change for the Ravens, who went with a 3-4 defense over the past seven seasons (including four with Ryan as coordinator). The last time the Ravens used a 4-3 as their primary alignment was 2001.

"It's going to be exciting," Lewis said. "It's not like the guys don't like it. All of the guys freakin' love it. That's what so beautiful about it."

The Ravens dominated in a 4-3 defense in 2000 and 2001, using tackles Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa to clog up the middle and ends Rob Burnett and Michael McCrary to attack the edges.

Now, the Ravens can attack the same way with Haloti Ngata and Kelly Gregg on the inside and Trevor Pryce and Terrell Suggs on the edges.

Lewis, who dropped 15 pounds from last season, seems ready to be the centerpiece of the defense again, running sideline to sideline to chase down ball carriers.

"You're talking about the ideal defense for a middle linebacker," he said. "That's why all the great ones played that. It's just so much different. It's like telling a point guard to control the floor. That's what a 4-3 does."

But some Ravens say there hasn't been a switch in the defense under new coordinator Greg Mattison. Asked about the Ravens' front four, Pryce corrected the question by saying it's still only three down linemen.

The Ravens, though, used a 4-3 defense as their base alignment in the preseason opener. Along with Pryce, Gregg and Ngata on the line, rookie Paul Kruger (who was filling in for the injured Suggs) put his hand down as the fourth lineman.

Pryce explained that it's a personal preference whether Suggs or Kruger stands up to be a linebacker or lines up as an end.

"So it just depends on whatever that guy wants to do," Pryce said. "Really, it confuses nobody except them."

However the Ravens line up, they remain committed to being one of the NFL's top defenses.
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Even though Kampman is labeled a LB, I'm pretty sure I remember him playing on the DL most of the game against Buffalo. He just wasn't in a 3 point stance. Does anyone remember him playing off the line of scrimmage like the other LB's?

 
Jene Bramel said:
SugarNuts said:
Ayers to stay as DE? What does that do to his value, if anything?
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This could be a omission with some impact.Ayers has yet to take any meaningful snaps as DE in camp. Unfortunately, he's also still behind in the competition to start at OLB. If he plays well when he eventually earns the job, there's potential for DL2+ value.
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I haven't been impressed with Ayers at all. I don't see any passion to get to the ball. He's been easily blocked and he doesn't shed those blocks very well (so far). Definitely doesn't look like a 1st round pick.
 
FrostBite said:
Even though Kampman is labeled a LB, I'm pretty sure I remember him playing on the DL most of the game against Buffalo. He just wasn't in a 3 point stance. Does anyone remember him playing off the line of scrimmage like the other LB's?
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In the Buff game he played left end in a 2 point stance and looked more like a DE, but occasionally dropped into coverage just before the snap.He looked like a DE, but they may be working him in slowly.
 
bcr8f said:
FrostBite said:
Even though Kampman is labeled a LB, I'm pretty sure I remember him playing on the DL most of the game against Buffalo. He just wasn't in a 3 point stance. Does anyone remember him playing off the line of scrimmage like the other LB's?
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In the Buff game he played left end in a 2 point stance and looked more like a DE, but occasionally dropped into coverage just before the snap.He looked like a DE, but they may be working him in slowly.
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It also looks like Green Bay opened up in the 2-4-5 defense. I'm not sure what that means, but would guess that they had to have Kampman on the line at some point.
 
Heads up to all Kampman owners. Suggs was listed as a LB a few years back on MFL, people contacted MFL in droves complaining about this move, MFL caved within a few days and put him back at DL. I have frequently looked at the Ravens official depth chart over the last few seasons and Suggs has always been listed at LB. I do recall someone from the Packers coaching staff saying "Kampman will likely take 70% of his snaps with his hand in the dirt during the first year of this switch". It's maddening that I can't find that link anymore, I have looked so scream "LINK" and I will not be able to supply it, I wish I bookmarked it at the time or at least copied and pasted it.

I think it's possible if enough people complain about the Kampman switch it might get changed, it is at least worth trying.

As far as Orakpo goes, I own him too and am not going to even bother, like someone said Orakpo was seen as the SAM right after the draft, many analysist thought it was a bad move by the Redskins but when I drafted him in our rookie draft I was fully aware since the day after the draft.

 
Multiple Scores said:
Heads up to all Kampman owners. Suggs was listed as a LB a few years back on MFL, people contacted MFL in droves complaining about this move, MFL caved within a few days and put him back at DL. I have frequently looked at the Ravens official depth chart over the last few seasons and Suggs has always been listed at LB. I do recall someone from the Packers coaching staff saying "Kampman will likely take 70% of his snaps with his hand in the dirt during the first year of this switch". It's maddening that I can't find that link anymore, I have looked so scream "LINK" and I will not be able to supply it, I wish I bookmarked it at the time or at least copied and pasted it.

I think it's possible if enough people complain about the Kampman switch it might get changed, it is at least worth trying.
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This could be what you're looking for:

On Kampman's transition

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 20, 2009

Indianapolis -- Ted Thompson was asked today about Aaron Kampman going from end to linebacker:

"I think it's going to be a good move for him. He's a little more talented player than a lot of people think. I had a long talk with him last week and he is really looking forward to it. At the same time, you have to remember that in the NFL you play in your base package less than 50 percent of the time, so 55 to 60 percent of the time you are going to be in sub-packages where he is going to have his hand on the ground anyway. So, sometimes I don't know, but I'm looking forward to seeing him do it and he's going to be pretty good at it."
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The rub here is going to be that teams are expected to provide depth charts (and I'd assume this is the standard Rotoworld likely applies as well) with their players aligned in what they expect their base defense to be. There's plenty of room for interpretation with some of the hybrid teams under that standard, unfortunately. Capers base defense hasn't been a hybrid in previous incarnations. Though the point about the percentage of snaps in subpackages is well made and one stressed often around here, it's likely not applicable here.I think Kampman is much more akin to the Patriots' Adalius Thomas or the Cardinals' Chike Okeafor or the Dolphins' Jason Taylor than Terrell Suggs.

We charted Justin Smith's first two preseason games last year to support the argument that he shouldn't have been moved from DL to LB (with some added backup from a blog post by a SF beat writer). It was pretty clear that he was a 50-50 guy in the base defense and his nickel snaps were at RDE or UT. If you find a similar split for Kampman, I think the argument would be much stronger.

 
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Jene Bramel said:
Multiple Scores said:
Heads up to all Kampman owners. Suggs was listed as a LB a few years back on MFL, people contacted MFL in droves complaining about this move, MFL caved within a few days and put him back at DL. I have frequently looked at the Ravens official depth chart over the last few seasons and Suggs has always been listed at LB. I do recall someone from the Packers coaching staff saying "Kampman will likely take 70% of his snaps with his hand in the dirt during the first year of this switch". It's maddening that I can't find that link anymore, I have looked so scream "LINK" and I will not be able to supply it, I wish I bookmarked it at the time or at least copied and pasted it.

I think it's possible if enough people complain about the Kampman switch it might get changed, it is at least worth trying.
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This could be what you're looking for:

On Kampman's transition

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

Feb. 20, 2009

Indianapolis -- Ted Thompson was asked today about Aaron Kampman going from end to linebacker:

"I think it's going to be a good move for him. He's a little more talented player than a lot of people think. I had a long talk with him last week and he is really looking forward to it. At the same time, you have to remember that in the NFL you play in your base package less than 50 percent of the time, so 55 to 60 percent of the time you are going to be in sub-packages where he is going to have his hand on the ground anyway. So, sometimes I don't know, but I'm looking forward to seeing him do it and he's going to be pretty good at it."
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The rub here is going to be that teams are expected to provide depth charts (and I'd assume this is the standard Rotoworld likely applies as well) with their players aligned in what they expect their base defense to be. There's plenty of room for interpretation with some of the hybrid teams under that standard, unfortunately. Capers base defense hasn't been a hybrid in previous incarnations. Though the point about the percentage of snaps in subpackages is well made and one stressed often around here, it's likely not applicable here.I think Kampman is much more akin to the Patriots' Adalius Thomas or the Cardinals' Chike Okeafor or the Dolphins' Jason Taylor than Terrell Suggs.

We charted Justin Smith's first two preseason games last year to support the argument that he shouldn't have been moved from DL to LB (with some added backup from a blog post by a SF beat writer). It was pretty clear that he was a 50-50 guy in the base defense and his nickel snaps were at RDE or UT. If you find a similar split for Kampman, I think the argument would be much stronger.
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Thanks Jene, guess I didn't look hard enough! That article will be going with my complaints to MFL, Is there a specific place to complain to MFL that would get the most attention that you know of? It's worth a try, even if it just buys me a year, this experiment in GB may fail and he may end up shipped out, I can look to strengthen the DL, got nailed in one league with Kampman, Burgess and Orakpo(expected).
 
I watched the Bills/Packers game a few times and Kampman was lined up as a blitzing LB from a 2pt stance probably 80% of the time. He also dropped into coverage several times. I don't know that I remember seeing him with his hand on the ground presnap. Definitely played like a 3-4 OLB on pretty much every snap that I could remember. I don't think this argument is winnable based on all of the evidence we have available right now.

 
Multiple Scores said:
Thanks Jene, guess I didn't look hard enough! That article will be going with my complaints to MFL, Is there a specific place to complain to MFL that would get the most attention that you know of? It's worth a try, even if it just buys me a year, this experiment in GB may fail and he may end up shipped out, I can look to strengthen the DL, got nailed in one league with Kampman, Burgess and Orakpo(expected).
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The notification about the player changes suggests contacting them with questions through the support department. I don't think there's a specific contact for this particular issue.
 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I watched the Bills/Packers game a few times and Kampman was lined up as a blitzing LB from a 2pt stance probably 80% of the time. He also dropped into coverage several times. I don't know that I remember seeing him with his hand on the ground presnap. Definitely played like a 3-4 OLB on pretty much every snap that I could remember. I don't think this argument is winnable based on all of the evidence we have available right now.
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Yup. Kampman is now a linebacker on a team that will almost exclusively use the 3-4 defense. Not much wiggle room here. The good news is that the writing has been on the wall since Dom Capers took over as defensive coordinator and nobody should be surprised by MFL's move (the correct one IMO).
 
trader jake said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I watched the Bills/Packers game a few times and Kampman was lined up as a blitzing LB from a 2pt stance probably 80% of the time. He also dropped into coverage several times. I don't know that I remember seeing him with his hand on the ground presnap. Definitely played like a 3-4 OLB on pretty much every snap that I could remember. I don't think this argument is winnable based on all of the evidence we have available right now.
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Yup. Kampman is now a linebacker on a team that will almost exclusively use the 3-4 defense. Not much wiggle room here. The good news is that the writing has been on the wall since Dom Capers took over as defensive coordinator and nobody should be surprised by MFL's move (the correct one IMO).
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It still sucks for those of us in dynasty leagues.Stud DE are hard to come by right now. It is leaving a good size hole on my defense and I'm going to do all I can to hold him until next year...but it won't be easy.
 
Time to lead the charge:

(Rotoworld) The Bucs have moved Jermaine Phillips from linebacker back to safety, at least for the first four regular season games.

Analysis: Geno Hayes will start at weak-side linebacker. The move is due to FS Tanard Jackson's suspension, but Phillips is now up to 230 lbs. and will one heavy defensive back. Sabby Piscitelli will likely kick to free safety, with Phillips on the strong side. The Bucs' secondary threatens to struggle early.

 
One thing I don't get is why all the complaints? You can easily change a players position yourself if you don't agree with it.

 
I still don't understand why MFL doesn't give the Suggs, Kampman's, and Smith's of the world dual eligibility.

They all play both positions, just let them be rostered as either position.

Seems simple.

 
Suggs should be changed if the NFL Baltimore website lists him as a LB. I think there will eventually be a DE/OLB postion listing. Didn't the NFL do this for franchise tags?

 
does anyone have a record if MFL changes positons during the season? since i imagine they will leave Phillips at DB for now, when Tanard comes back and Phillips returns to WLB(assuming that he will) will they change him back or is there a chance he will remain a DB in MFL's eyes????

he has pretty good value if his position stays at DB playing WLB. i know i havent' owned any players that has changed positions mid season and can't recall any changing mid year. did calvin pace change mid year?

 
MFL does a much better job with the offense, obviously. Only mover on that list on that side of the ball is Edelman.

 
Just looked at my team, I now have 3 worthless LBs (Kampman, Orakpo, Burgess) on my team. These changes have officially happened. Let the complaining begin!

 
Charting the Packers 2nd preseason game vs Buffalo as a followup to Aaron's post above:

Series 1

1/ LOLB (nickel 3-3-5)

2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

3/ LOLB (base 3-4)

4/ LOLB (nickel 1-5-5)

5/ LOLB (nickel 1-5-5)

Series 2

1/ LOLB (base 3-4) (penalty, no snap)

1/ LOLB (base 3-4)

2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

Series 3

1/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

4/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

5/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

6/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

Series 4

1/ LOLB (base 3-4)

2/ LOLB (base 3-4)

3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

4/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

5/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

6/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)

Kampman did not play in a three point stance during his snaps. Not that it would matter based on the usual depth chart conventions if he had rushed the passer, but Kampman dropped into pass coverage on nearly 75% of these plays, including a significant number of his nickel snaps.

This game was a little screwy because the Bills were in a 3WR set and ran the no-huddle, but it's going to be a serious uphill battle to win an argument that Kampman should remain listed as a DL.

We'll see how it looks this week.

 
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does anyone have a record if MFL changes positons during the season? since i imagine they will leave Phillips at DB for now, when Tanard comes back and Phillips returns to WLB(assuming that he will) will they change him back or is there a chance he will remain a DB in MFL's eyes????he has pretty good value if his position stays at DB playing WLB. i know i havent' owned any players that has changed positions mid season and can't recall any changing mid year. did calvin pace change mid year?
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I'm curious about this as well. I thought I would need to make some changes in a few of my leagues, but he was still a S after the position changes in MFL. After the season starts does MFL make updates to positions? At what week will this occur?
 
Jene Bramel said:
Charting the Packers 2nd preseason game vs Buffalo as a followup to Aaron's post above:Series 11/ LOLB (nickel 3-3-5)2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)3/ LOLB (base 3-4)4/ LOLB (nickel 1-5-5)5/ LOLB (nickel 1-5-5)Series 21/ LOLB (base 3-4) (penalty, no snap)1/ LOLB (base 3-4)2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)Series 31/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)2/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5) 3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)4/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)5/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)6/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)Series 41/ LOLB (base 3-4)2/ LOLB (base 3-4)3/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)4/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)5/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)6/ LOLB (nickel 2-4-5)Kampman did not play in a three point stance during his snaps. Not that it would matter based on the usual depth chart conventions if he had rushed the passer, but Kampman dropped into pass coverage on nearly 75% of these plays, including a significant number of his nickel snaps.This game was a little screwy because the Bills were in a 3WR set and ran the no-huddle, but it's going to be a serious uphill battle to win an argument that Kampman should remain listed as a DL.We'll see how it looks this week.
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A couple things to consider with this is it's preseason and teams are going to work more on the areas they feel the need to improve upon, of course dropping Kampman into coverage would be an area of need for improvement since he's never had to do this in the past. Also once games actually count if the coaching staff feels that Kampman coming off with his hand in the dirt and rushing the passer is going to be more beneficial then we should see a lot more of that. When Suggs got listed at LB, people complained and MFL caved into the pressure, they didn't check his snap count, they just purely and simply caved to the outrage.
 
Multiple Scores said:
Update 10 minutes after seeing the change - First of many Kampman complaints sent to MFL.
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Why? He's an LB, period. Every report I've seen including on NFL Network is that the defense is taking to the new 3-4 like fish to water and they are playing in it really well and will most likely be in it full time instead of this year being a "transition year". Thus he's a LB. No reason to complain.
 
ATC1 said:
ninerfanatic492000 said:
does anyone have a record if MFL changes positons during the season? since i imagine they will leave Phillips at DB for now, when Tanard comes back and Phillips returns to WLB(assuming that he will) will they change him back or is there a chance he will remain a DB in MFL's eyes????he has pretty good value if his position stays at DB playing WLB. i know i havent' owned any players that has changed positions mid season and can't recall any changing mid year. did calvin pace change mid year?
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I'm curious about this as well. I thought I would need to make some changes in a few of my leagues, but he was still a S after the position changes in MFL. After the season starts does MFL make updates to positions? At what week will this occur?
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What I've seen in the past is there may be (if needed) one or two more position updates before the season starts but once the season starts players are locked in unless something really funky changes (I believe 2 or 3 years ago there was a change in week 8 for a player but I could be wrong).
 
Benchwarmers said:
Suggs should be changed if the NFL Baltimore website lists him as a LB. I think there will eventually be a DE/OLB postion listing. Didn't the NFL do this for franchise tags?
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Suggs was listed at both positions on the NFL site and Ravens depth chart due to Sugg's hold out and contract a couple years ago. Part of that it was agreed to list him at both.By the way, you guys do realize that the Ravens are going more and more to a 4-3 full time, right? In fact Ray Lewis said the guys love it in the 4-3 and it will probably be their base defense this year.Thus wouldn't Suggs be an actual nearly full time DE if that's the case? :goodposting:
 
bonscott said:
Benchwarmers said:
Suggs should be changed if the NFL Baltimore website lists him as a LB. I think there will eventually be a DE/OLB postion listing. Didn't the NFL do this for franchise tags?
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Suggs was listed at both positions on the NFL site and Ravens depth chart due to Sugg's hold out and contract a couple years ago. Part of that it was agreed to list him at both.By the way, you guys do realize that the Ravens are going more and more to a 4-3 full time, right? In fact Ray Lewis said the guys love it in the 4-3 and it will probably be their base defense this year.

Thus wouldn't Suggs be an actual nearly full time DE if that's the case? :confused:
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=10703454I agree. Suggs is a non-issue now. It was strange when he was making the Pro Bowl as an OLB and still listed as a DE in most fantasy leagues, but I think the Pro Bowl designation was the problem there and not the other way around.

Jason Taylor also never lost his DL designation when the Dolphins went to a 3-4, but the circumstances were different there as well.

 
The Suggs/Kampman issues are about as clear cut as they can be given the hybrid roles. As Aaron notes, this isn't Justin Smith v2008, Bryan Thomas v2006 or Jason Taylor v2005-2006, all of which were (or potentially were) much more egregious errors.

I would think the Jermaine Phillips issue would make me much fussier as a commish/MFL database operative.

All indications since May were that he'd be a LB. Less than 24 hours after you okay a proper database switch after smart owners have drafted/maneuvered with the expected switch in mind, what looks like a four week temporary move throws a wrench into the works.

I've not been asked about it yet in the leagues I commish, but I'm not sure what the right decision would be on Phillips, especially after MFL apparently elected not to move him yesterday morning.

 
Derrick Burgess just got put as a LB at MFL yesterday, then this little news item pops up.

(Rotoworld) Since being acquired via trade from the Raiders, Derrick Burgess has yet to practice at outside linebacker.

Analysis: The Patriots are using more of a 4-3 defense, employing Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork at the tackles, with Ty Warren and Burgess on the ends. Adalius Thomas would likely play strong-side linebacker, with Gary Guyton at weak side and Jerod Mayo in the middle. This is a fantasy defense to target.

 
Jayrod said:
trader jake said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I watched the Bills/Packers game a few times and Kampman was lined up as a blitzing LB from a 2pt stance probably 80% of the time. He also dropped into coverage several times. I don't know that I remember seeing him with his hand on the ground presnap. Definitely played like a 3-4 OLB on pretty much every snap that I could remember. I don't think this argument is winnable based on all of the evidence we have available right now.
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Yup. Kampman is now a linebacker on a team that will almost exclusively use the 3-4 defense. Not much wiggle room here. The good news is that the writing has been on the wall since Dom Capers took over as defensive coordinator and nobody should be surprised by MFL's move (the correct one IMO).
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It still sucks for those of us in dynasty leagues.Stud DE are hard to come by right now. It is leaving a good size hole on my defense and I'm going to do all I can to hold him until next year...but it won't be easy.
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I got screwed in a dynasty holding Kampman as a DE> But, seroiusly, he drops into coverage. Hard to argue it.
 
Multiple Scores said:
Derrick Burgess just got put as a LB at MFL yesterday, then this little news item pops up.(Rotoworld) Since being acquired via trade from the Raiders, Derrick Burgess has yet to practice at outside linebacker.Analysis: The Patriots are using more of a 4-3 defense, employing Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork at the tackles, with Ty Warren and Burgess on the ends. Adalius Thomas would likely play strong-side linebacker, with Gary Guyton at weak side and Jerod Mayo in the middle. This is a fantasy defense to target.
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Thing is that Rotoworld, NFL and the Patriots web sites all list him as an LB. We'll see how much 4-3 the Pats really use. They have been a mix for a couple years but their "base" defense has continued to be the 3-4. But they will play the 4-3 as the team or situation dictates.
 
Jene Bramel said:
The Suggs/Kampman issues are about as clear cut as they can be given the hybrid roles. As Aaron notes, this isn't Justin Smith v2008, Bryan Thomas v2006 or Jason Taylor v2005-2006, all of which were (or potentially were) much more egregious errors.

I would think the Jermaine Phillips issue would make me much fussier as a commish/MFL database operative.

All indications since May were that he'd be a LB. Less than 24 hours after you okay a proper database switch after smart owners have drafted/maneuvered with the expected switch in mind, what looks like a four week temporary move throws a wrench into the works.

I've not been asked about it yet in the leagues I commish, but I'm not sure what the right decision would be on Phillips, especially after MFL apparently elected not to move him yesterday morning.
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I definitely plan to exploit this. after the first 4 weeks, and most assuredly after the bye, owners will have an extra LB in their lineup.
 
Jene Bramel said:
morris buttermaker said:
were we expecting the burgess move?
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It was reasonably likely.Pats didn't use nearly as many 4-3 fronts against the Bengals and are still considered by most to be a base 3-4. Burgess will be a LB in the 3-4. He hasn't stood out yet in practice apparently, and I barely noticed him with the second teamers against Cincinnati.
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in a deep league i'm having issues even rostering him as a lb, thoughts? 16 team/45 man rosters
 
Jene Bramel said:
The Suggs/Kampman issues are about as clear cut as they can be given the hybrid roles. As Aaron notes, this isn't Justin Smith v2008, Bryan Thomas v2006 or Jason Taylor v2005-2006, all of which were (or potentially were) much more egregious errors.

I would think the Jermaine Phillips issue would make me much fussier as a commish/MFL database operative.

All indications since May were that he'd be a LB. Less than 24 hours after you okay a proper database switch after smart owners have drafted/maneuvered with the expected switch in mind, what looks like a four week temporary move throws a wrench into the works.

I've not been asked about it yet in the leagues I commish, but I'm not sure what the right decision would be on Phillips, especially after MFL apparently elected not to move him yesterday morning.
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Thank you Jene for a return to sanity on his issue. Anyone caught holding the bag with Kampman deserves what they get. This coming position designation change was as obvious as any on the list of changes which MFL made last week. I learned that lesson in survivor leagues last year thinking I could make a sneaky play on certain guys only to realise that MFL is the best fantasy football management website in the business for a reason, things like this they are always well and truly on top of.I am interested in what people recall of MFL's previous position designation changes once the season begins. Are they likely to make further changes, say just before Week 1. I don't recall any in season changes last season but I could be wrong. As others have said, Phillips could be a nice one to exploit if they don't change him back once we returns to WLB.

 
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