Sammy Traveller
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Riggins on Snyder (1 Viewer)
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Hoss_Cartwright
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Riggins has always been, and always will be, THE F-ING MAN !!!
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
easy to say for you, judging from your avatar.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You should be banned from living for saying that. Snyder is childlike that doesn't have a clue how to run the Redskins. When will he learn you can't just throw money at the situation?
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
The NFL needs dope owners like Snyder. Everyone can't win.
RC94
Footballguy
You should banned from living for just being you. As a Giants fan I have absolutely no problem with the way Snyder runs the Redskins. I quite like it, actually.
I love his willingness to open up his wallet. In that aspect, the NFL needs more owners like Snyder. It's clear he *wants* to build a winner, he simply doesn't have any idea how to do it and he's too stubborn to get out of his own way and allow a quality GM/coach to take over and do their job.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Snyder is an NFL owner who runs his team like an emotional fantasy football player. And at this point, I'm not even sure if he's in a dynasty league.
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
Or drunk accusations.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Or correct accusations.
The problem isn't his willingness to throw money at the problem, the problem is the ego of needing to be involved so much. I'm glad he's got the cash to spend but there are so many owners that ALSO think they are football experts, evaluators of talent, and need to be at all the team meetings, helping make decisions.
Great owners are always willing to spend money...........but they are also willing to know they're not football experts and they should surround themselves with excellent front office people who know talent, know and understand salary cap and free agency logistics, etc.
I think of owners like Rooney, Kraft, Wilson, etc. over the years. These guys hire good people and then trust them to run the organization FOR them. They know that they aren't little kids who bought an expensive toy and now get to play with it too.
Owners like Snyder think because they're successful with whatever gave them their wealth they must also be able to use that skill to run a football organization. WRONG.
William Clay Ford is the exception because he's just so old and clueless....... and he DOES let other people run the organization, he just consistently hires idiots.
Great owners are always willing to spend money...........but they are also willing to know they're not football experts and they should surround themselves with excellent front office people who know talent, know and understand salary cap and free agency logistics, etc.
I think of owners like Rooney, Kraft, Wilson, etc. over the years. These guys hire good people and then trust them to run the organization FOR them. They know that they aren't little kids who bought an expensive toy and now get to play with it too.
Owners like Snyder think because they're successful with whatever gave them their wealth they must also be able to use that skill to run a football organization. WRONG.
William Clay Ford is the exception because he's just so old and clueless....... and he DOES let other people run the organization, he just consistently hires idiots.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Sounds like he should have bought a baseball team instead.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
dgreen
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
At least he was clear about why he thinks Snyder's a bad guy.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
There is some serious disconnect between Snyder and the old guard.
Snyder says he grew up a fan, I find something weird about how he has essentially shunned them from the organization. If he hasn't, that's how many of them feel.
Seems like an incredibly easy thing to fix, not that it should have ever happened in the first place.
Snyder says he grew up a fan, I find something weird about how he has essentially shunned them from the organization. If he hasn't, that's how many of them feel.
Seems like an incredibly easy thing to fix, not that it should have ever happened in the first place.
dgreen
Footballguy
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Riggins mentions business practices. I only know of one which Snyder is involved in. Six Flags theme parks. They havent lifted a finger to restore the park in New Orleans after it flooded. Havent tried to sell it. Nothing except move the batman ride to another city. My kids grew up going to that Park and now there is just no interest from Six flags/Snyder even if it would restore hope to a certain age group in the city I guess it will never be. He was more interested in renting the parking lot out to FEMA for millions to be a home base of operations after Katrina. Snyder sucks really Im sure that.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-0...-sixflags_N.htm
http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/aband...x-flags-orleans
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-0...-sixflags_N.htm
http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/aband...x-flags-orleans
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analog_hiss
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John Riggins is a folklore character in the Redskins organization and wouldn't have the balls to take over the GM operations.
It's really easy to be on the outside and criticize, it's not so easy to live up to expectations on the inside.
Right now, I think Riggins is an attention whore that wants to be relevant. He's over 20 years removed from the game and tries his best to remain relevant...whoring himself on any radio show that will take him. Not many takers, really
Stick to classical music and acting Diesel, don't ruin your reputation.
Mr. Magoo could state exactly what Riggins has said.
It's really easy to be on the outside and criticize, it's not so easy to live up to expectations on the inside.
Right now, I think Riggins is an attention whore that wants to be relevant. He's over 20 years removed from the game and tries his best to remain relevant...whoring himself on any radio show that will take him. Not many takers, really
Stick to classical music and acting Diesel, don't ruin your reputation.
Mr. Magoo could state exactly what Riggins has said.
Does anyone really think Snyder goes out and hand picks all these players? His problem is associating himself with Vinny "coke eyes" Cerrato and letting him basically be the GM of the Skins. People also forgot that when Gibbs came back, Snyder basically gave him the keys to the team and got out of the way. All those ######ed moves the Skins did in that time? All Joe Gibbs. Trading for Mark Brunell. Gibbs. Trading for TJ Duckett. Gibbs. Trading up for Jason Campbell. Gibbs. Trading a 2nd rounder for Brandon Lloyd. Gibbs. I could go on. Gibbs seemed to be allergic to draft picks and handed them out like freebies. I guess he wasn't used to how the NFL is now. He was used to no salary cap, hiding half a roster on the IR, etc. Plenty of blame to go around in Washington and it's not just with Dan Snyder.
I don't really see where Snyder or Six Flags is at fault in these articles. The insurance company hasn't paid out to them, and so far there has been no financially compelling reason to do anything with the park at present.
Max Fischer
Footballguy
I used to go to two or three skins games each year, but now I won't even go if I'm being offered free tickets. Yes, Snyder is willing to spend, but I believe this serves him in two ways:
First, he's the kind of guy that gets his rocks off making splash deals. We all have things we're good at. Deal making is Snyder's great talent and passion.
Second, the spending revitalizes the annual hype machine that keeps his business profitable. Ten years ago he bought a business. The value of that business has appreciated considerably over that time. The annual spending on big name players is just part of marketing expenses which can be passed along to the consumer. So far the customers that opt out (or priced out) are easily replaced.
I'm sure Snyder wants to win, but it's obviously not his top priority. If it was he would learn from his successes and failures, and make changes accordingly. Lets take the Gibbs years as an example:
Year 1 (2004)- sign Gibbs, trade for Portis and Brunel. (Big Splash off season). Result 6 and 10.
Year 2 - Traded Coles for S. Moss (but a relatively quite off season). Result 10 and 6 with playoff win.
Year 3 - Sign Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter, bring in Al Sauders (Big Slash). Result 5 and 11.
Year 4 - Very quite off season. Result 9 and 7 with a playoff birth.
It's clear, every time he decides to dominate the off season, the team suffers. Snyder's wallet on the other hand grows.
My hope is that this season is so embarrassing for him that he finally hires a professional to run the team. We'll see.
First, he's the kind of guy that gets his rocks off making splash deals. We all have things we're good at. Deal making is Snyder's great talent and passion.
Second, the spending revitalizes the annual hype machine that keeps his business profitable. Ten years ago he bought a business. The value of that business has appreciated considerably over that time. The annual spending on big name players is just part of marketing expenses which can be passed along to the consumer. So far the customers that opt out (or priced out) are easily replaced.
I'm sure Snyder wants to win, but it's obviously not his top priority. If it was he would learn from his successes and failures, and make changes accordingly. Lets take the Gibbs years as an example:
Year 1 (2004)- sign Gibbs, trade for Portis and Brunel. (Big Splash off season). Result 6 and 10.
Year 2 - Traded Coles for S. Moss (but a relatively quite off season). Result 10 and 6 with playoff win.
Year 3 - Sign Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta and Andre Carter, bring in Al Sauders (Big Slash). Result 5 and 11.
Year 4 - Very quite off season. Result 9 and 7 with a playoff birth.
It's clear, every time he decides to dominate the off season, the team suffers. Snyder's wallet on the other hand grows.
My hope is that this season is so embarrassing for him that he finally hires a professional to run the team. We'll see.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'm the furthest thing from a Snydar fan, but Riggins is a nitwit. He's used to everyone kissing his butt in DC as some kind of "tell it like it is" rebel, which made his radio appearances unbearable. Most of the time he's talking out of his ### & it's obvious he's done no homework.
Anyway, he & Snyder deserve each other - love to see them stranded on an island together.
Anyway, he & Snyder deserve each other - love to see them stranded on an island together.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
analog_hiss said:
why is Riggins the guy in the fight against Snyder?eh, who died an' made'jou bozz??? oh!
- Andrew Dice Clay
az_prof
Footballguy
I liked Riggins as a player, but when players become commentators and then think they know everything it really doesn't work. More than likely he is upset because he doesn't freebies in the locker room or something. I think it is bad form. If his commentary focussed on what the team is or isn't doing and if he quoted people or gave details that at least would be news; but what he is doing is unprofessional journalism. It's a hack job. Again, it reflects badly on Riggins.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
i like that! cerrato =and after Gibbs spent 2004 cleaning up the mess he inherited, it was playoffs 2 of the next 3 years. yeah, some of the subtleties of the game had passed him by I will admit, but as a leader of men, there are none better.coke eyesjbz said:
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
Riggins has done nothing but make a fool of himself for the last couple of years. He had a radio show here in DC last year and he pretty much sucked. He never had anything good to say football-wise and was always trying to seem like some "enlightened" bull#### philosopher or something. He keeps making personal attacks on guys who are currently apart of the organization. First it was Clinton Portis: his verbal assaults on him seemed fueled by some kind of jealousy. Now it's Snyder: he seems to be pissed at him because he got released from the radio station that Snyder bought.
I commend Blache for speaking up for Snyder. I'm always hearing about lots of good things Snyder does for people so I have a really hard time buying Riggos crap. For better or worse Snyder owns this team and as a Skins fan I support him and hope he can eventually produce a winning team. I won't sit around and call him names because once we do start winning I wanna share in the joy. I'm not that two faced kind of fan who curses a guy and then when they start doing well turn around and like we're all hunky-dorry. The guys I know who are like that aren't people who I could really celebrate with when we start winning.
I still love Riggo for what he was. But it's too bad that when the team finally starts getting somewhere in the future, he'll be viewed as somewhat of an outsider. I wish he'd apologize. And when he said that he speaks for the fans ... he's wrong. He speaks for those guys who pack up all their Skin stuff and put it in the closet when the going gets rough and they stop going to the games and supporting the team. I was there on Monday night screaming my head off and I was proud when the Eagles got a false start or whatever. Hey u gotta stick with your squad win or lose. I'm not saying cowtow but just don't hate.
I commend Blache for speaking up for Snyder. I'm always hearing about lots of good things Snyder does for people so I have a really hard time buying Riggos crap. For better or worse Snyder owns this team and as a Skins fan I support him and hope he can eventually produce a winning team. I won't sit around and call him names because once we do start winning I wanna share in the joy. I'm not that two faced kind of fan who curses a guy and then when they start doing well turn around and like we're all hunky-dorry. The guys I know who are like that aren't people who I could really celebrate with when we start winning.
I still love Riggo for what he was. But it's too bad that when the team finally starts getting somewhere in the future, he'll be viewed as somewhat of an outsider. I wish he'd apologize. And when he said that he speaks for the fans ... he's wrong. He speaks for those guys who pack up all their Skin stuff and put it in the closet when the going gets rough and they stop going to the games and supporting the team. I was there on Monday night screaming my head off and I was proud when the Eagles got a false start or whatever. Hey u gotta stick with your squad win or lose. I'm not saying cowtow but just don't hate.
fatness
Footballguy
As another Skins fan I differ with you. I support the team. The biggest obstacle to their success is the owner.#### the owner. Go Skins.
fatness
Footballguy
While I liked Riggins as a player, and like him even more as a storyteller about his playing days, the fact is that he lost his radio gig and is pretty desperately trying to get attention for himself to get another gig and boost his income. Not that I blame him, but it's best to understand that he has other motives as well as concern for the Redskins.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
it's hard to support the owner when fans are being sued by the Redskins for not being able to pay up the season tickets for good cause (economy, jobs, etc.).
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tim_whatley
Footballguy
I can't imagine why an organization wouldn't want to pump millions of dollars into a theme park in a tourist city that just saw a very large chunk of its population leave town and has had its tourist visits suppressed.
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
So if you offer somebody an opportunity to buy seats in a luxury suite or they can just stick to what they can def. afford and buy some reg. seats and they decide to buy the luxury indoor club seats and then they stiff you and pretty much stonewall your collection efforts for years ... what do you do? Are you telling me that you personally wouldn't file for monetary damages? If you don't (as a policy) then guess what I'm gonna do if I have me some luxury seats and find out about your policy? If I was one of those people who bail on the team when its down (of which there are many) ... well you see how the business side of things could get pretty ugly pretty quickly and then guess what .....?..... no more flying RedskinOne around and scooping up the buds anymore and how about some higher priced beer too?!?
burgundy and gold
Footballguy
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
I'm not saying it was a great PR move, but this kind of stuff NOT a reason to hate a businessman (and I do think Snyder is bad owner). Take out the 72 year old Granny/Redskins ticket holder forever angle. Let say it was a 40 year old dude who just changed his mind about a lawn services contract. He signs a 10 year contract, reneges on that contract in the FIRST YEAR, and then ignores the lawsuit filed by the team altogether. The team wins by default (when in all likelihood they just wanted the guy to honor his contract in the first place). Does it make the lawn services owners a monster?Again, I believe that Dan Snyder is a bad owner, and I DON'T believe in supporting the owner of a team no matter what. But if folks have such outrage about him, they should simply stop going to games and buying stuff at the games. That's how you vote an owner and/or his policies out of town.
analog_hiss
Footballguy
ANother move Snyder made that ticked off Riggins: Syder bought three local AM radio stations a couple of years ago, including the station that featured The John Riggins Show. The John Riggins show was canceled one month later.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
There isn't a city in the States that isn't suffering from suppressed tourism. The economy has all of it it shambles at the moment. I think when outsiders think of New Orleans they still picture it as it was on TV after Katrina. There are some areas of the city that look like it did 4 years ago (New Orleans East, 9th ward, Gentilly) but for the most part you can drive through New Orleans and see a very normal functioning place, A great place. This is especially true of the Tourist area's like the French Quarter, Downtown and Uptown. Tourism hasn't been that bad in town this year. everytime I drive downtown or through the quarter it is packed like I've never seen it. Conventions have taken a hit though (thanks Barack Obama) But back to the point now, why not sell it if someone wants to do something with the Park? There is a theme Park about 60 Miles up the road called Blue Bayou that is doing fine. And thats with much fewer tourist dollars coming in than New Orleans has. What value is there in letting the park rot? New Orleans is not as unstable as you might think and they can support a theme park if it is run worth a ####. Six Flags doesnt know how to run parks and make them profitable. This is why they are in bankruptcy across the U.S. , New Orleans is not some wasteland that people cant come here and make money. Quite the contrary, New Orleans is the 10th ranked city to ride out the recession!! The Port is doing great and there has been a lot of young talent move to the city since the storm. "Hollywood south" is filming 3-4 movies a month and work is going on to expand that industry. Keep an eye on the news about the new Medical teaching complex. Also did you know the population is up to about 2/3rds its pre katrina level? The surrounding area's like St Tammany Parish are booming as well. New Orleans is not without the problems of an urban area such as crime etc. but it is coming back. Someone other than Dan Snyder would be glad to be a part of it.tim_whatley said:
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fatness
Footballguy
That article:
I guess that was a nice thing Snyder did for her.
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Not sure how this clarifies Riggins comments. In my mind, Riggins just rambled without giving any proof, any examples, any clear hints about what he is talking about. A "dark heart"? Really? Did he lie/steal/cheat? Because if you make an accusation like that you better have backup and there was nothing in his comments backing up his statements.I don't know that much about Riggins or Snyder, but Riggins comments were just a rant with absolutely no substance.
For those bashing Snyder, a couple questions (real questions -- not rhetorical ones):
1. During Joe Gibbs' tenure, how involved was Snyder?
2. What would you like him to do that he hasnt done yet? And don't say "get out of the way" if he was "out of the way" while Gibbs was in town.
There's a huge difference between being unsuccessful and being evil. Snyder has clearly been unsuccessful with the Skins -- not sure why he's evil...
A few months ago I read John Fiensteins book called "Next Man Up" about the season he spent with the Ravens in 2004. Lot's of unflattering Snyder comments in the book. Here is just one example of the kind of guy Snyder is:
I had been meaning to write this story for quite some time, but it wasn’t until this morning when I linked to a post about Daniel Snyder that I was reminded to share it. I’m finishing up John Feinstein’s book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.
Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.”
Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.”
“The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.”
The next time wasn’t as funny.
The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.”
Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don’t have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.
I had been meaning to write this story for quite some time, but it wasn’t until this morning when I linked to a post about Daniel Snyder that I was reminded to share it. I’m finishing up John Feinstein’s book, Next Man Up, which is a behind the scenes account of the 2004 Baltimore Ravens. That season, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator with Baltimore, his last year with the team prior to accepting a head coaching position with the 49ers. Well, Nolan shared a story from his days with the Redskins. Apparently he and owner Daniel Snyder did not get along.
Early that season, after a Redskins loss, Snyder told Nolan that his defensive calls were “too vanilla.” Like the other coaches, Nolan had figured out by then that trying to explain football to Snyder was pointless, since he already had the game figured out. A few days later a gallon of 31 Flavors ice cream showed up on Nolan’s desk with a note that said, “This is what I like. Not vanilla.”
Nolan laughed and sent Snyder a note: “Thanks for the ice cream. My kids enjoyed it.”
“The first time it was actually kind of funny,” Nolan said. “I didn’t mind it at all.”
The next time wasn’t as funny.
The Redskins lost on the road to Dallas, and Nolan went into his office late Sunday night to start looking at game tape. When he arrived, there were three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream on his desk with another note: “I wasn’t joking. I do not like vanilla.”
Feinstein had the story confirmed by other sources around the league. How great is that one? Leave it to Snyder to take a fun figure of speech and turn it into literal meaning. If anyone wants to find out why the Redskins suck so much, you don’t have to look any further than the top. Now, whenever the Niners and Redskins meet, you know whose side to wager on.
fatness
Footballguy
For people who don't follow the Redskins, here's some DC area perspective on this.
Washington Post poll
Washington Post poll
Charles Mann, 4-time Pro Bowl DE for the Redskins
Les Carpenter, Washington Post NFL Reporter
Gene Wang, Washington Post sports editor
All that tells me is that people are frustrated with Snyder. But there's a huge difference between being upset with him because the team sucks and being upset with him because he has a "dark heart".I have no problem with fans going straight to the top of an organization which isnt doing well -- ultimately the responsibility is the owner's. But failure doesn't doesn't translate into evil. Comments like the one's made against Snyder are appropriate for an owner like Donald Sterling who just settled a lawsuit where he was accused with discriminating against African Americans and Mexican Americans in the apartment complexes he owned. So far, I'll I'm hearing is that Snyder isnt good at building a successful football team -- big difference.
