sho nuff
Footballguy
Plenty of GM's hire coaches who are failures and end up getting one more chance.I have said for a while that I think Thompson is more tied to Rodgers and his play than he is to the performance of the head coach.
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Who is better RIGHT NOW, Rodgers or Favre? (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Its painful to read comments where people still hold on to it being a stupid decision to trade Favre. That was not the stupid decision. The stupid decision was to shut him out and not talk to him right away last year when it was clear Favre was serious about coming back.There is a reason nearly every analyst still says the decision to move on was a good one and likely the correct one.It's why I feel so bad for the real Packer fans.Thompson created all their problems and Packer fans have no other avenue but to suffer until TT is gone.Favre made GB a winner and TT treated him horribly. Ultimately things got so bad that TT made the ultimate stupid decision to trade Favre, all the while trying to smear his legacy in the entire process. It's painful to talk to true Packer fans about how they are happy things are going so well for Favre in Minnesota and poorly in GB. However, the people who truly care about the team want the best for it, and they know the best thing for the team is getting rid of Thompson. It's a sad dynamic, but it is the reality of the situation.
sho nuff
Footballguy
If you seriously think Ted THompson feels he is bigger than the Packers, you need to do some reading.Try Andrew Brandt's last two articles...one before the Packer game, and one after.From a guy who knows both Thompson and Favre pretty well.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Shaub? Hasselbeck?Really?Even Romo is questionable.
sho nuff
Footballguy
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
If he had made 3 of his possible, what, 7 come from behind victories last year he'd be 100%.Rodgers has started 1 season.Nice stat.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Want to play the "if" game?If the defense had not allowed Carolina to score in the last 2 minutes of the game and Crosby could have hit 2 FGs (one against Minny, one against Chicago)...he would be at !00%.If he had made 3 of his possible, what, 7 come from behind victories last year he'd be 100%.Rodgers has started 1 season.Nice stat.
Well, if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
To take a stat based on one guy having one season as a starter?
How about this...if GB can win 4 more games this year...he will match Hass' 50%? So what...its still not a large enough sample size.
Yeah really. I like experience.Shaub is a definately. Romo probably.And I think we have now revealed I like Hasslebeck more than he deserves. I think Rodgers and Cutler are about a coin-toss at this point.
The Westin
Footballguy
I wonder if all the hate for Rodgers in this thread comes from Favre fans? The guy is playing with maybe the worst offensive line in the league and a crap running back and he's still the highest rated passer in the league with a 110.4 passer rating, throwing 14 TD's with just 2 INT's. You can argue that Favre is better, it's a valid argument. But to see some people in here say he isn't a top ten QB or he's just average is just emotion getting in the way of reason.
Stats aren't everything and I agree he holds on to the ball too long, and that adds to his sack total. But this guy has been running for his life for 7 weeks now, and for him to have a 110 Passer rating with what he has had to deal with is ridiculous. He is carrying that offense. How many great QB's have looked average when they are pressured? It's a whole new world when they can't sit in the pocket and have time to scan the field.
Stats aren't everything and I agree he holds on to the ball too long, and that adds to his sack total. But this guy has been running for his life for 7 weeks now, and for him to have a 110 Passer rating with what he has had to deal with is ridiculous. He is carrying that offense. How many great QB's have looked average when they are pressured? It's a whole new world when they can't sit in the pocket and have time to scan the field.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Schaub has experience that have led him to what? Pretty much a .500 record?
Actually looking at it on pro football reference...prior to this year his record as a QB is 10-14...and this year is already his highest TD total at 16.
Add in his 5-3 this year...and he is still at 15-18 as a starter.
How is he rated that high?
Experience for a few more years...though, has missed quite a bit of time due to injury? Not seeing that one at all.
Agree on Rodgers and Cutler (though, I like Rodgers a bit more as he is not as wreckless with the ball).
Experience is great...but if history shows that experience amounts to not being all that great...I just can't rank them high because they are experienced.
Actually looking at it on pro football reference...prior to this year his record as a QB is 10-14...and this year is already his highest TD total at 16.
Add in his 5-3 this year...and he is still at 15-18 as a starter.
How is he rated that high?
Experience for a few more years...though, has missed quite a bit of time due to injury? Not seeing that one at all.
Agree on Rodgers and Cutler (though, I like Rodgers a bit more as he is not as wreckless with the ball).
Experience is great...but if history shows that experience amounts to not being all that great...I just can't rank them high because they are experienced.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Pretty terrible last minute drive by Rodger there, capped off by a horrendous throw that was deflected, picked off, and ran back for a TD. His numbers are usually really good, but his lack of clutch, 4th quarter comeback wins is glaring.
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Rodgers blows.
Nice comeback kiddo.
Nice comeback kiddo.
Tau837
Footballguy
It wasn't just the last drive... he was pretty bad on the second to last drive as well.A graphic at the end of the game showed that the Packers have scored TDs on 37% of their drives in which they did not allow a sack... compared to only 3% of their drives in which they did allow at least one sack. Where does the blame lie? It seems like many, if not all, of these things are true:1. Rodgers is slow to get through his reads.2. Rodgers has poor pocket awareness, despite the fact that he is very mobile.3. Rodgers is a poor decision maker, too often bypassing safer plays and holding the ball to wait for big plays to develop downfield.4. The offensive line is terrible at pass blocking.5. Green Bay's receivers (WRs, TEs, RBs) are overrated and have trouble getting open.6. The coaches have failed to adjust their playcalling and/or QB coaching to get Rodgers to get rid of the ball faster.Green Bay appears very unlikely to make the playoffs again. Rodgers is their long term QB, so fixing 1-3 implies he will have to get better and/or he will need better QB coaching. And to whatever degree 4-6 are true, that can partly be due to coaching. How are they going to fix this problem? Is McCarthy going to be fired if they don't turn it around this season? How about Thompson?
sho nuff
Footballguy
1. Not necessarily a true sign there if people are just covered.2. Right now yes.3. Poor decision maker? Not really given his lack of throwing INTs prior to today. Do you have any evidence he is just bypassing safer options to look for big plays to develop?4. Agreed.5. Maybe...but I don't think so.6. Partially this...partially Rodgers not getting it through his head right now.McCarthy is likely gone.Thompson could be but 8-8 may save his job.
trader jake
Footballguy
It was 4th down on that pick...what would you like him to do on that play? He made something out of nothing to get a big TD run late in the game. Maybe the defense could have forced a rookie quarterback making his first start into a turnover? Maybe the special teams could...do anything?BTW - Rodgers led a huge come from behind win week 1 against the Bears on Monday Night football. You can bash Rodgers if you want (especially in light of Favre's great play so far) but he isn't the reason the Packers are "only" 4-4 so far. Going into the week he led the league is passer rating and has consistently made plays under duress.
Your breakdown is amazing. What you lack in substance you're making up for in brevity.Rodgers blows.Nice comeback kiddo.
trader jake
Footballguy
No. Both were signed to 5 year extensions a year and a half ago and are safe through the end of next season IMO.
vikingdave
Footballguy
I love the Bucs!!!!!!!
Rodgers sucks, enjoy GB...I know I will...
BTW, thanks for Brett Favre...
Rodgers sucks, enjoy GB...I know I will...
BTW, thanks for Brett Favre...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Huge come from behind win? Are you for real? They were winning most of the game, thanks to Cutler's poor first half and the Packers defense playing so well. Yes, Rodgers made that big throw to Jennings at the end, to win the game, but that is his notable late 4th quarter comeback, and it was a comeback from being 2 whole points down. That is hardly a HUGE come from behind win. As for that pick at the end, he was pretty bad for most of the 4th quarter, and that throw just topped it off.
Overall, like JWB said, Rodgers is a good QB, but he holds on to the ball way too long. No, he usually doesn't throw INTs, so that is a huge credit to him. If he learn how to get rid of the ball quicker and have better pocket presence, he could be a great one. He definitely has the tools.
trader jake
Footballguy
Week 1 against a divisional rival on Monday Night Football. His team was losing and on 3rd down and 2 at midfield he executed a perfect play fake and made a great throw to win the game. If that doesn't count as a big come from behind win I'm guessing your definition of the phrase is the bigger issue here. Don't let facts stand between you and your point though, carry on.
Clinton
Footballguy
I've watched nearly every second of my beloved Pack with Rodgers under center, and I agree with every single word of the above quote.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yes, it was a great play. Duh. However, that is the only notable comeback by Rodgers in his 1 1/2 years as a starter. In just about every other 4th quarter where his team needed him to play big on a clutch drive at the end, for whatever reason, he failed. Like I have said, he is a good QB, with the potential to be great, but he needs to improve in several different areas.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
I'll say it again. In terms of leadership, "it" factor, clutch play and general ability, Brett = Peyton, Aaron = Eli. I'm convinced we'd be better off with Brett (whether he wanted to be a Packer is another question) and I'm not yet convinced our future is a good-to-great one with Aaron.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
The credit on that play should go to the play call and therefore the coaching, not Aaron. He made a throw he should make to a wide-open Jennings 100 times out of 100. Nothing spectacurlar from Aaron's side.
vikingdave
Footballguy
THAT is VERY
McCarthy isn't gone, he just signed a long extension. TT should be gone, because he should have kept Favre, extended Rodgers and kept both. Woops.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
If they don't make the playoffs they both should be gone. From 13-3 with Favre to this crap.
bbuster
Footballguy
There is no question that Favre is the better QB now...just as he was when the Pack decided to move on with Rodgers. Experience counts for way more than people seem to think. Even Rodgers knows that he is holding the ball too long...the announcers said today that he had admitted to that, but he said it was because he wanted to avoid turning it over. Ummm...how many times has he turned it over because he held on too long and fumbled it when he was sacked?
When he is out of the pocket and he's been holding the ball 7 or 8 seconds, he's gotta learn to throw it out of bounds. Even though he finished 6-10 last year, I actually thought he looked a bit better. He's trying to do too much this year...wonder how much of that has to do with Favre's success with the Vikings.
When he is out of the pocket and he's been holding the ball 7 or 8 seconds, he's gotta learn to throw it out of bounds. Even though he finished 6-10 last year, I actually thought he looked a bit better. He's trying to do too much this year...wonder how much of that has to do with Favre's success with the Vikings.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
MLB and Red Sox fans have The Curse of the Bambino; NFL and Packers fans may be living the early stages of The Curse of the Gun Slinger.
Although it probably shouldn't, the fate of McCarthy, Murphy and TT may rest in part on how successful Brett and the Vikings are this season. If the Vikings win it all, I think that will prompt at least one and probably two heads to roll, if not all three (although that may be too much to bear).
Although it probably shouldn't, the fate of McCarthy, Murphy and TT may rest in part on how successful Brett and the Vikings are this season. If the Vikings win it all, I think that will prompt at least one and probably two heads to roll, if not all three (although that may be too much to bear).
Favre had zero interest in playing with GB. He was trying to orchestrate his way to Minny. He got his wish although a year later.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
That isn't true at all. He wanted to play in GB....Thompson DID NOT WANT HIM! It has been reported several times the Packers made the decision to move on without Favre even prior the the NFC Championship game against the Giants. Ted Thompson ran Favre out of Green Bay. Favre knew he wasn't wanted there and that is a reason things got so messy. Thompson is not a good GM.
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No you are wrong. Favre retired and Packers moved on with their team. Favre waffled numerous times after that. Favre retired changed his mind and the Packers told him to report to camp, but he wasn't automatically going to be the starter. Favre wanted nothing to do with a competition for the job and the Packers worked out a trade with the Jets. Both sides easily could/should have handle it better, but Favre is to blame just as much as the Packers. Quit giving Favre a free pass.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Favre retired because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Ted Thompson did not have any contact with Favre prior to this retirement announcement. If Thompson wanted him back he would have had at least one conversation with him to let him know. Favre is at fault too but you really need to understand that Thompson and McCarthy DID NOT WANT FAVRE BACK! Every media outlet has stated that and Bradshaw said last week that Favre was "kicked out of Green Bay".
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Phase of the Game
Footballguy
You must have a understanding of what was going on PRIOR to Favre retiring. The team did not want him back and he knew that. This isn't hard to understand.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.You have admitted that Thompson didn't want Favre back.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
1. You have admitted here that you know Thompson didn't want Favre back and you acknowledged McGinn's article on this.2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.You have admitted that Thompson didn't want Favre back.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
1. You have admitted here that you know Thompson didn't want Favre back and you acknowledged McGinn's article on this.2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
packersfan
Footballguy
Very2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.
After watching both games today, I again say with confidence I would rather have Hasslebeck as my starting QB than Rodgers next week.
Rodger's will be fine, he is just young and not being coached well. I cheered out loud when I saw the quick slant for the 1st down, then wondered where it went.
McCarthy has to be gone. Try to bring in a top flight coach, but at this point it is all fugazi up in GB. Send TT with him I say.
I also think the 3-4 was and continues to be a bad decision...does not fit the strengths of the players and was not worth driving the draft this year or next.
I wonder if Gruden would consider the job? Is Holmgren done coaching? For crying out loud, this is getting shameful and I see no prospect of improvement next year without a cleaning of the GM and HC.
Rodger's will be fine, he is just young and not being coached well. I cheered out loud when I saw the quick slant for the 1st down, then wondered where it went.
McCarthy has to be gone. Try to bring in a top flight coach, but at this point it is all fugazi up in GB. Send TT with him I say.
I also think the 3-4 was and continues to be a bad decision...does not fit the strengths of the players and was not worth driving the draft this year or next.
I wonder if Gruden would consider the job? Is Holmgren done coaching? For crying out loud, this is getting shameful and I see no prospect of improvement next year without a cleaning of the GM and HC.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
1. Thompson wanting him out is independent of Favre not wanting to come back despite his claims that is all he wanted.2. So you now admit...that once he retired he no longer wanted to play for the Green Bay Packers...yet, you and others complained that TT did not bring him right back in. So TT was supposed to welcome back a player that did not want to come back and his agent had supposedly shopped him in April?1. You have admitted here that you know Thompson didn't want Favre back and you acknowledged McGinn's article on this.2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.You have admitted that Thompson didn't want Favre back.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So which is it...he wanted to come back to GB or he did not.Because you posted above that someone else was wrong and that Brett wanted to come back...and now you are "good posting" to someone who admits Favre did not want to come back.1. You have admitted here that you know Thompson didn't want Favre back and you acknowledged McGinn's article on this.2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Favre wanted to play for the Packers but he knew he wasn't wanted back. And you know what sho.....who cares what TT felt about Favre....the results are in.....Packers with Favre= winners.Packers without Favre=losers1. Thompson wanting him out is independent of Favre not wanting to come back despite his claims that is all he wanted.2. So you now admit...that once he retired he no longer wanted to play for the Green Bay Packers...yet, you and others complained that TT did not bring him right back in. So TT was supposed to welcome back a player that did not want to come back and his agent had supposedly shopped him in April?1. You have admitted here that you know Thompson didn't want Favre back and you acknowledged McGinn's article on this.2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back.Why are you confused?Ted THompson wanting to move on has nothing to do with if Favre wanted out.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brett-...dcast-guys.htmlWhich would lead people to wonder about the rumors of Cook shopping him to other teams last April.
Ted Thompson wanting him or not wanting him was not the conversation...it was about whether or not Brett Favre wanted to come back with Green Bay.
Vikings with Favre=winnners
packersfan
Footballguy
Jets were winners with Favre too.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You just said above "2. Of course Favre would want out of Green Bay because he knew he wasn't wanted back. Of course Cook would shop him in April....that was after his retirement and Favre knew Thompson didn't want him back."Which is it...he wanted to play for them, or he wanted out?Nice double talk.As for TT not wanting him back...we have been over this and you never get it.It does not matter what TT wanted...if Favre wanted back and never retired, TT would not have done anything about it.
